From a pr perspective Sony have been an utter shambles this time going so far as Microsoft having pops about smart delivery showing how the tables have turned.
Sony have been slow, not very consumer friendly re their Spiderman fiasco and we believe in gens BS and have been expecting blind faith from consumers to keep things chugging along whereas Microsoft have been largely upfront, consumer friendly with gamepass, next gen free upgrades and have seem agile.
Yes people will scoff at mentioning Jim Ryan but comparing Andrew House' leadership compared to how the organisation is behaving now is night and day.
For those saying people are being entitled for expecting or atleast hoping for a free upgrade then all I can say is this. If Microsoft, cdpr and other devs are giving updates to their titles then a little goodwill from Sony would be nice.
Package and lock the upgrade in with Miles Morales for free. Stick a one time code in the box so that if you have Spiderman ps4 then you get a free upgrade. That'll maybe pull in people who wouldn't have been interested in Miles' story and creates some good press with it.
For those defending Sony effectively charging 20 quid extra keep in mind that the upgraded content in the Spiderman game is going to be more or less the same content that's in Miles Morales.. taking out the story and cutscenes of course. It's the same city, traffic and NPC's for the most part. So the hard work being described is mostly content they've already created and used for Miles.
The extra effort that is being defended is largely copy and paste work from what's in Miles Morales. It's ridiculous imo that they are trying to slap a £20 price tag on it.
@Loftimus it's not really when cdpr are updating the Witcher for free and let's be honest here..
A huge amount of assets in miles Morales will be reused Spiderman assets and vice versa. I'd happily pay for miles Morales with the provisio I don't need to pay to get Spiderman updated if they're planning on giving it away. Would have saved themselves aggro by just completely ignoring Spiderman.
Is it just me or does Jim Ryan seem like a complete BS artist? Nearly everything generally that comes out of his mouth is either misleading or patently bull.
Genuinely feel that with him at the helm the arrogant Sony is back.
I would have agreed a few years ago to an extent, GTA online was beginning to show what would end up happening on a large scale. So now no way...no chance and I'm appalled you think overall GaaS is a good thing.
GaaS are largely now..note largely not completely... a predatory way to entice money out of customers.
GaaS worked relatively ok for dlc. Keeping in mind publishers then even kept back content locked on the disc day1 which then was clear as hell as predatory but that's largely forgotten.
Fast forward to modern times and developers are removing content from games then forcing players to cough up more money to get new content see: Destiny.
The only decent GaaS and keeping in mind that definition has largely been far removed from its original meaning is from games like the Witcher 3 which provide clear brand new content.
Attempting to pigeon hole both DLC like that and stuff like Fortnite skins is ridiculous and shows an elementary level understanding of modern GaaS.
Yes devs should be paid for their work but the reason devs and publishers went down this route isn't to make better games for you and me. It's to make easier money.
It's all about keeping you hooked, keeping stuff just slightly out of reach with that tempting few quid to get that item or it's in its simplest, most blatant form gambling mechanics which is nothing short of predatory and downright morally wrong.
@jess3a3 I'm not here to defend Fortnite here I've played about 5 minutes then walked away... Kinda flew over my head in the same way as tik tok. Kids these days huh?
I just can't cant see where the depth is in fall guys to be a multi year game holding that kind of enthusiasm. It's fun but maybe it's just me... I need a little more substance..
If checkerboarding 2.0 or some kind of secret sauce like dlss is implemented from amd that we've yet to learn then it really doesn't matter all that much.
This push for pure pixel count that some want is pointless to an extent and is largely wasteful on resources.
Similar to how 95% of folk don't care about mp3 vs flac as an audio source.
It might just be me but I'm thinking both Sony and Microsoft are holding out incase COVID causes delays and will only roll once they've got enough hardware made and ready to ship and then do a launch like they do with mobile devices.
Wasn't all this alluded to a good while back anyway?
Its progress but in some ways similar to the join friend feature already implemented on ps4 but could be say.. Get straight back to a career mode loading the latest save etc.
Really looking forward to Fall Guys. Watched a mate play it over the weekend and looked fun.. Probably one that will fizzle out quick but fun for the short period.
@Lionheart5 they've literally stated it you can play their game at 120fps. I'm lost how you can say the ps5 can't run supported titles at that framerate? Most won't.. But that's the same for the series x.
I hate the argument for tightening the belt be it.. Upping the cost of a game or making games shorter and that games cost the same as they did 20 years ago when games regularly beat previous sales and make record profits. Certainly in the AAA space.
No one says a AAA game needs to be 60 hours long.. See most Nintendo games for case and point.. You can easily rattle through most of their AAA games in 15 hours and no one cares.. Simply because they're very good.
The simple fact is, if games companies can't sell enough copies to break even or make profit then the development costs were far exceeding the scope of the game or the game simply isn't very good in the first place.
Publishers like ubisoft justify their games being 60 hour + slogs simply because they're padded out to high heaven.
A good game is a good game regardless of the length of it.
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Re: DJ Diplo and Boxer Anthony Joshua Are in FIFA 21
Absolute farce of a game. I'm glad I gave up on FIFA years ago.
Can't wait to see Tyson Fury spark AJ.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Multiplayer Will Be Worth the Wait, Says Neil Druckmann
I'm not buying it again within a few months for an upgrade to the PS4 version.
Re: Soapbox: The Week After PS5's Showcase, Sony Told Us Nothing About Its Next-Gen Console
From a pr perspective Sony have been an utter shambles this time going so far as Microsoft having pops about smart delivery showing how the tables have turned.
Sony have been slow, not very consumer friendly re their Spiderman fiasco and we believe in gens BS and have been expecting blind faith from consumers to keep things chugging along whereas Microsoft have been largely upfront, consumer friendly with gamepass, next gen free upgrades and have seem agile.
Yes people will scoff at mentioning Jim Ryan but comparing Andrew House' leadership compared to how the organisation is behaving now is night and day.
Re: Reaction: Spider-Man PS5 Debacle Shows Sony Is Out of Touch
For those saying people are being entitled for expecting or atleast hoping for a free upgrade then all I can say is this. If Microsoft, cdpr and other devs are giving updates to their titles then a little goodwill from Sony would be nice.
Package and lock the upgrade in with Miles Morales for free. Stick a one time code in the box so that if you have Spiderman ps4 then you get a free upgrade. That'll maybe pull in people who wouldn't have been interested in Miles' story and creates some good press with it.
For those defending Sony effectively charging 20 quid extra keep in mind that the upgraded content in the Spiderman game is going to be more or less the same content that's in Miles Morales.. taking out the story and cutscenes of course. It's the same city, traffic and NPC's for the most part. So the hard work being described is mostly content they've already created and used for Miles.
The extra effort that is being defended is largely copy and paste work from what's in Miles Morales. It's ridiculous imo that they are trying to slap a £20 price tag on it.
Re: Sony Confirms Spider-Man PS5 Remaster Is Not a Free Upgrade
@Loftimus it's not really when cdpr are updating the Witcher for free and let's be honest here..
A huge amount of assets in miles Morales will be reused Spiderman assets and vice versa. I'd happily pay for miles Morales with the provisio I don't need to pay to get Spiderman updated if they're planning on giving it away. Would have saved themselves aggro by just completely ignoring Spiderman.
Re: Sony Confirms Spider-Man PS5 Remaster Is Not a Free Upgrade
Stingy springs to mind. This could easily be a free add-on with the Miles Morales edition.
Kinda put me off buying it miles Morales all together now.
And then you see CDPR giving a free next gen update for the Witcher 3.
Arrogant Sony is back and it's not a nice look.
Re: UK Retailer GAME Quietly Adds £10 Delivery Charge to PS5 Pre-Orders
Absolute scumbag of a company.
As sad as it would be to see folk lose their job I'll be happy once that shop is gone.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Mario Forces Avengers and Tony Hawk Down the Top 10
Tbf for those of us that didn't have a Nintendo console till the switch 3d all stars is a great addition. Especially Galaxy.
Crappy business practices aside I'm very happy with it.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Built from the 'Ground Up' for PS5
Is it just me or does Jim Ryan seem like a complete BS artist? Nearly everything generally that comes out of his mouth is either misleading or patently bull.
Genuinely feel that with him at the helm the arrogant Sony is back.
Re: Disintegration's Multiplayer Is Being Shut Down Just Three Months After Launch
Players should get a refund for that for whoever bought it. That's horrific.
Re: Sony Won't Follow Game Pass Model on PS5, Doesn't Believe It's Sustainable
The one worrying thing is saying that they want to make games more persistent. Hopefully they don't go down the "live service" route.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
Disappointed by this news. It means it'll be built to the lowest common denominator ie the PS4 vanilla.
Re: Fall Guys Patch 1.07 Available Now on PS4, Adds Big Yeetus and Other Level Variations
Played it for a few hours and had fun but uninstalled it now.
I dont get how people can play it day after day and still have fun. Good on them I suppose.
Re: Poll: How Much Are You Willing to Pay for PS5?
Anywhere up to £600. It's a system that is going to last 6 years.. mugs pay 1000 for a phone every 2 years.
Value for money.
Re: Talking Point: Could PS5 Be Delayed?
Said it before a few weeks ago on here and I'll say it again.
It's likely to launch in NA first meeting their "holidays" target then rest everywhere else.
Re: PS5 Won't Play PS3, PS2, or PS1 Games
PS3 sure I can understand BC not being feasible due to the architecture.. PS1 and PS2?
No great reason imo.. unless its to lock security down with potential exploits being possible via the emulation.
Am I up in arms about it..no but it would have been pretty sweet.
Ahh well.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Has Optional 60FPS Mode on PS5
I'll take the 60fps option.
Although I hope it'll be a resolution bump via supersampling or similar rather than a proper graphics and resolution downgrade.
Re: PS5 Uses Bluetooth 5.1, Wi-Fi 6 for Improved Performance
WiFi ax should be good..with 75% less latency than 5ac
Might be a little while before we see ISP's punting out ax router though unless you buy outright.
Good to see the forward thinking though.
Re: PS4 Firmware Update 7.55 Is Available to Download Right Now
Can safely say that's the end of the big feature updates.
Re: Soapbox: Games As a Service Should Be Embraced, Not Misunderstood
I would have agreed a few years ago to an extent, GTA online was beginning to show what would end up happening on a large scale. So now no way...no chance and I'm appalled you think overall GaaS is a good thing.
GaaS are largely now..note largely not completely... a predatory way to entice money out of customers.
GaaS worked relatively ok for dlc. Keeping in mind publishers then even kept back content locked on the disc day1 which then was clear as hell as predatory but that's largely forgotten.
Fast forward to modern times and developers are removing content from games then forcing players to cough up more money to get new content see: Destiny.
The only decent GaaS and keeping in mind that definition has largely been far removed from its original meaning is from games like the Witcher 3 which provide clear brand new content.
Attempting to pigeon hole both DLC like that and stuff like Fortnite skins is ridiculous and shows an elementary level understanding of modern GaaS.
Yes devs should be paid for their work but the reason devs and publishers went down this route isn't to make better games for you and me. It's to make easier money.
It's all about keeping you hooked, keeping stuff just slightly out of reach with that tempting few quid to get that item or it's in its simplest, most blatant form gambling mechanics which is nothing short of predatory and downright morally wrong.
Re: Round Up: Project CARS 3 PS4 Reviews Suggest a Positive Change in Direction
@Slippship no need in bring snide. I'm sure many of us have both systems.
Re: Round Up: Project CARS 3 PS4 Reviews Suggest a Positive Change in Direction
Iracing is the only SIM worth caring about tbf.
P Cars 3 is SMS's attempt to get in with the Gran Turismo - Forza crowd. And that's fair enough I guess.
Re: Sony Stresses, One More Time, That PS5 Will Release This Year
Im beginning to wonder if it's going to be a US launch first with the rest of the world to follow 2021.
Keeping them in the time frame but holding out till the last minute incase they can do a worldwide launch.
Re: Fall Guys Has Almost 16 Million Players on PS4 According to Online Estimate
@jess3a3 I'm not here to defend Fortnite here I've played about 5 minutes then walked away... Kinda flew over my head in the same way as tik tok. Kids these days huh?
I just can't cant see where the depth is in fall guys to be a multi year game holding that kind of enthusiasm. It's fun but maybe it's just me... I need a little more substance..
Take what I say with a pinch of salt though.
Re: Fall Guys Has Almost 16 Million Players on PS4 According to Online Estimate
@jess3a3 no way this is a Fortnite killer.
It's a fun game for 20mins at a time but I don't see how this can possibly have the legs to go anywhere near Fortnite levels.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PC Patch 1.02 Brings More Substantial Updates
Echoing the other statements. While it's a Sony title I don't think we need to see about PC patch notes for the game. Leave that for Eurogamer.
Re: There's Been a Big Scandal About Whether PS5 Can Run Games in 4K
If checkerboarding 2.0 or some kind of secret sauce like dlss is implemented from amd that we've yet to learn then it really doesn't matter all that much.
This push for pure pixel count that some want is pointless to an extent and is largely wasteful on resources.
Similar to how 95% of folk don't care about mp3 vs flac as an audio source.
Re: Next-Gen Need for Speed Supposedly Leaked with Super Early Footage
Jesus how does that boy have 1.2m subscribers?
Kids these days will watch any old idiot on the internet.
Re: Fast & Furious Crossroads - This Basic, Broken Mess Is Hardly Family Friendly
Simply mad have went to the toilet. Expect p cars 3 to be terrible also.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@RedShirtRod Xbox live has nearly double the amount of subscribers than ps plus.
Unless I'm misreading your statement they absolutely beat Sony on revenue for subs.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
They really should now think about bundling ps plus and ps now together.
Ps plus games for a while have been very much hit and miss.. Just go full in with ps now and be done with it.
Its a bit of a stretch to say Ms are getting rid of gold. They're merely repackaging it to get more people on Xcloud.
Re: State of Play Confirmed for This Week, Will Focus on PS4 and PSVR Games Along with Some PS5 Game Updates
It might just be me but I'm thinking both Sony and Microsoft are holding out incase COVID causes delays and will only roll once they've got enough hardware made and ready to ship and then do a launch like they do with mobile devices.
Re: EA Could Be Considering Warner Bros Gaming Division Buyout
Can't say I'm fussed whoever they go to but I feel sorry for those who liked the Batman games and it goes to EA.
Re: PS5 UI Feature Sets Tongues Wagging Once More
Wasn't all this alluded to a good while back anyway?
Its progress but in some ways similar to the join friend feature already implemented on ps4 but could be say.. Get straight back to a career mode loading the latest save etc.
Or join mp on your favourite mode on cod etc.
Re: PS Plus August 2020 PS4 Games Announced
Really looking forward to Fall Guys. Watched a mate play it over the weekend and looked fun.. Probably one that will fizzle out quick but fun for the short period.
Re: PS5 Games Published by Ubisoft Won't Cost More for Now
Yep, they'll be waiting to see if people happily stump up more from other publishers before getting a taste of that pie.
Hopefully people shun 2k and vote with their wallets.
Re: Yakuza: Like a Dragon PS5 Upgrade Confirmed, Will 'Release at a Later Date'
Caramac teeth Phil being a hypocrite shocker.
Re: Cloud and Tifa Win Final Fantasy VII Remake Popularity Poll in Japan
Tifa has 2 pretty big reasons for her popularity tbf.
Re: PS5 Fans Are Pondering the Future of PS Plus
PS Plus and Now should be linked together imo.
How they do that and cost is anyone's idea but realistically that should be the way forward.
Re: Gamer Girl Is an FMV Game All About the Life of a Streamer
So basically hush hush here's my only fans page simulator then. Great.
Re: TikTok Star HollyH to Cameo in Aquatic PS4 Platformer Slide Stars
Demi Rose the brummie hooker for the rich in UAE? Wow.
Tbf she must make a killing for "modelling" and partying over there.
You just know this product is going to be toxic.
Re: Xbox Boss Implies PS5 Exclusives Are 'Counter to What Gaming Is About'
As usual he's talking out of his hole.
Re: Sony Pumps $250 Million into Fortnite Maker Epic Games
It's incredible how far the unreal engine has came. Takes me back to building levels for Unreal Tournament.
Ohh how I wish they didn't scrap the remake to concentrate on Fortnite.
Re: Unravel Horizon Zero Dawn's Mysteries from 7th August on PC
@TheDude89 if someone really wants to play a game I struggle to see why they would wait 3 years just to play it if they're that hyped for it.
I know if it was me and I really wanted to play an exclusive I'd get the console within months of it coming out.
Re: DIRT 5 on PS5 Will Have an Option for 120 Frames-Per-Second
@Lionheart5 they've literally stated it you can play their game at 120fps. I'm lost how you can say the ps5 can't run supported titles at that framerate? Most won't.. But that's the same for the series x.
Re: Poll: Which Version of the PS5 Do You Plan to Buy?
Physical, without a doubt. Have too many disc based games to just give up and I would quite like to sell on my ps4 Pro when the ps5 arrives.
Re: Xbox Boss Believes Microsoft Is in Very Good Position, Will Be Able to Demonstrate Hardware Advantages Over PS5
Hes probably gonna rock out crackdown 4 and claim its powered by alien technology.
Re: Seems Sony Will Pay You to Hack PS4, PSN and Report Security Flaws
Pretty standard over the tech industry paying for white hat breaches tbf.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Wants to See 15 Hour AAA Titles Return
I hate the argument for tightening the belt be it.. Upping the cost of a game or making games shorter and that games cost the same as they did 20 years ago when games regularly beat previous sales and make record profits. Certainly in the AAA space.
No one says a AAA game needs to be 60 hours long.. See most Nintendo games for case and point.. You can easily rattle through most of their AAA games in 15 hours and no one cares.. Simply because they're very good.
The simple fact is, if games companies can't sell enough copies to break even or make profit then the development costs were far exceeding the scope of the game or the game simply isn't very good in the first place.
Publishers like ubisoft justify their games being 60 hour + slogs simply because they're padded out to high heaven.
A good game is a good game regardless of the length of it.
Re: Report: PS5's Price Could Be $50 Cheaper if You Go for the Digital Edition
I've a feeling it'll be 499 without and 549 with a disc drive.
Drive all the way for me.