Sony’s big PlayStation 5 Showcase Event was an entertaining watch from a software perspective last week, but we said at the time that it’d need to kickstart a flow of constant communication from the Japanese giant. I’d expected it to take the momentum from its livestream into this week, as it utilised the remaining 50 days or so until launch to explain all of the intricacies of its next-gen console.
Instead, it said nothing. Again.
Here’s a list of things that, despite pre-orders being open, we still don’t know about the PS5:
- How its user interface will work and what it looks like.
- How backwards compatibility will work and its approach to next-gen upgrades for tentpole titles like The Last of Us: Part II and Ghost of Tsushima.
- Which multimedia apps will be available at launch and whether they’ll include any new PS5 specific features.
- What the Create button does and how it improves on the Share button.
- What launch games Destruction AllStars and Sackboy: A Big Adventure are about.
- Which non-proprietary SSD drives will be whitelisted at launch and how much they cost.
This is, frankly, a flabbergasting list for a format that’s currently on sale. Sony will be slapping backs at PlayStation HQ as it sees its initial shipment of systems sell out, but I’m operating on good faith at this point: I’ve effectively pre-ordered a product that I know next to nothing about; some people have even paid the $499.99 upfront.
Look, I’m assuming that the PS5 will do the things I want it to do because… Well, I’ve liked PlayStation consoles in the past? But when I stop and think, it’s astounding to me that I’ve committed to buying a product that its manufacturer has told me so little about. I guess you could argue that this is testament to the strength of the brand, but good grief!
I’m writing this article and I’m worried that I’m overreacting; there is, after all, still just under two months to launch, and surely Sony will have told us everything we need to know by then, right? But I’ve been telling myself the same thing since February, when I’d originally expected the console to be unveiled. It’s been over six months since then, and I still feel none the wiser.
The obvious excuse is that there’s a pandemic going on, and I respect the challenges that PlayStation has faced. But it has a PlayStation Blog for the sole purpose of getting information out; why did we wait almost a week for clarification on Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered and how it can be obtained? It wasn’t until Kotaku managed to squeeze a statement out of Sony that we got confirmation!
I don’t want to come across as a whiny enthusiast, and I know I’m in danger of sounding like a broken record pretty soon. But it’s just not good enough, is it? Sony’s got 47 days now to tell us virtually everything about the PS5 and its roster of launch games. 47 days! It better start talking soon, because I still feel like I’m clueless about an expensive console that’s supposedly right around the corner.
How do you feel about Sony’s utter inability to clarify anything with regards to its PS5 console? What information have you been waiting all year to learn? Let us know in the comments section below.
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As a ps fan and an owner of every ps console so far I know all I need to know. It'd be nice to see the interface but tbh I'm buying one regardless of what it looks like
With the exception of the Ps1 I've always been a day one adopter and see no reason for that to change
It’s utterly bizarre. Xboxes(if that is even the plural) are in the hands of streamers and they’ll provide a flow of information as the weeks go by. Whereas Sony are showing barely anything and you can literally buy the console. What are they afraid of? If they have any confidence in the console, they’ll give it out to streamers and let them do their marketing for them.
What's getting boring are these articles. I get that you're impatient but everything is gonna be fine. The PS5 will be awesome, you'll have a bunch of great games to play and life will go on.
I think the word INTERACTION is not in Sony's Dictionary for upcoming gen....#ps5
It makes no sense that they are keeping this information to themselves. I can't fathom a single benefit to Sony for not talking about it. They clearly think people will buy the system anyway, but they are in a far different competitive situation than they were with the PS4 launch and they just don't seem to be able to grasp it. The pandemic is no longer an excuse, and while I am very confident that the product will be great, Sony needs to be talking to the people that don't have that same confidence in order to convince them that PS5 is where they want to be. Xbox isn't doing a great job communicating the details, but they are certainly doing better than Sony.
I'm not sure if the is overconfidence or arrogance from Sony thinking "we're so popular, it'll fly off the shelves whether we market it or not"
I’d just like to see the UI and would expect to see it next week (just hoping for that)
It’s strange they have two games they haven’t shown though. Don’t understand that at all.
I honestly believe sony didn't want to release the PlayStation 5 this year and have only done so because xbox series X is.
They are obviously scrambling around trying to put on the finishing touches and sorting out the ui
As someone who has only recently mass-playing my ps4, this is stupid.
We all feel the design is weird but I'm starting to think...
PS2 was a book.
Well PS3 I don't exactly know what it was.
PS4 is slabs.
And PS5 is a... Folder.
A typical white Folder. Held at the bottom with contents popping out at the top creating the curve (the black part).
@hi_drnick I don't want to write these kinds of articles either. I want to write about the console and all its features, but we're 47 days from launch (!!!) and we still barely know anything.
How does Destruction AllStars play? I can pre-order it for £70 but I haven't got a clue!
If it plays games, I'm happy. Everything else is fluff.
Don't really care what the UI looks like. Just want to know about the copying of games when internal storage is full.
@JapaneseSonic It's far from essential to know what the user interface is like and what features the console will include when you can literally pay $500 for it?
It's far from essential to know what games like Destruction AllStars are about when they're up for pre-order for $70?
Sony can't just point to the fact that the console's sold out as an excuse for why it's literally detailed nothing about its expensive new product. None of us really know what we're actually buying! It's nuts!
How about are the ps5 Region lock 🔒?
How to use your ps4 camera 📸 on ps5?
What will playation plus be from November?
Will I be able to download ps3 on the ps5 from psNOw?
Can you play directly from external storage on your ps4?
How does the fan sound on the ps5?
Can you get 3D from any 🎧 headphones from launch?
That some question I have
@Medic_Alert I agree that Sony’s messaging has been a confused mess. As far as SSD storage goes, it would seem that they have that covered...
https://www.ccn.com/ps5-tech-large-games-compression/
I'm going to defend Sammy here: you made valid points on why a product that is put on sale is an enigma. Those who criticise you are just fanboys who would buy a PS5 if Sony never even showed the console in the first place. We live in the 21 century and communication is key.
On a sidenote, I don't care all that much as this gen I'm going XSX first, PS5 second.
@IronMike How many other articles have we written on this topic? To my knowledge it's the first.
@Ridwaano Right? I could have made my list double the length that it currently is, but settled on the main points.
What about psvr?
Yet pre-orders everywhere are sold out.
It's definitely weird af
@get2sammyb
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@Medic_Alert Did you read the link? The new compression tech will halve game files.
Its a very disappointing state of affairs. The worst thing is it's so so easy for Sony to rectify. They have the power to clarify everything and for some reason they aren't taking that opportunity.
In a week where Microsoft buy Bethesda, Sony have to be more open. There's been more news from Microsoft about Bethesda titles on PS5 than there has been from Sony itself and that's fundamentally baffling. I've yet to pre order either console (not a good year financially for me) and whilst I will ultimately get them both I'm beginning to fester a genuine dislike for the way Sony are handling things overall
Yeah awful communication. Like when people tweet the Pushsquare account and get no response.......
The whole messaging has been really bad. We shouldn’t be getting info from Geoff or getting insomniac to reveal sony policy’s on the whole upgrade issue. Sony has to be more open & honest with giving us(their customers) news.
@ApostateMage And none of us know what we're buying! We're just all working from the assumption that this product will do what we want it to do, but we don't actually know anything!
I tend to agree. Its not as if they need to keep this a secret with the product less than 2 months away, with MS already opened up and discussed a LOT of this.
It probably won't affect the fanboys from buying regardless but I think its odd that they are taking orders on something that we know little about. Will BC work like the Pro - in other words turn down the clock speeds to run like a PS4 Pro for Pro enhanced games and even switch off half the GPU to run like a PS4 for the rest - meaning that games will essentially run 'exactly' the same - but with maybe a boost in loading speeds because of much better data through put - even on external HDD's? Does it too offer HDR on games that didn't offer it?
We had some mention of being able to jump straight into the MP from the dashboard but yet no demonstration or follow up on that at all.
There are fundamental things to the user experience that has yet to be elaborated on, demonstrated etc with less than 2 months before launch - yet I can't think of any other console release that has been this secretive - especially with many more options to get that information out. Its not like they have to rely on Magazines or Press as they have their own social media and releasing information will get picked up by press and spread around anyway....
I think there will be blowout info on ps4 on october 4, in japan with streamers and in usa with influencers. At least, I hope so 😅
I'm not worried though, I believe playstation will provide ps5 gamers with great games, fast ui, and cool + stable console (especially with that big casing) 😃
@Ridwaano
Yes you can use the camera but thee is a adapter plug you will need.
We dont know what is PS+ for October yet much less November.
You can stream PS3 from PSNow the PS5 is not BC with PS3 games.
Yes you can play PS4 games directly from a external HDD.
The new cooling in PS5 was made to make it much quieter Than PS4.
Yes you can get simulated 3D sound from any headphones how good it sounds will depend on the brand.
I got a request for all these people in here saying we’ve seen all we need to see, please give me a breakdown of what Destruction Allstars is? How many characters it has? Is there a campaign? Is it online only? What elements of combat does it offer?
I feel the same, and like I mentioned earlier in other comments, my plan to get ps5 is pushed to 2021. Part of it is that I don't want to leave my friends behind because the games we play together. Like GTA online, and since it might be backwards supported on PS4 the PS4 version, but later on it will move to ps5 version and what will happen to the PS4 version?
So yeah, lots of questions involving friends and also I want to see how capable hardware actually is, so digital foundry reviews of the hardware will be essential. Same with heating, noise, overheating and other issues, if there is any. Hopefull not.
@Medic_Alert I hear you. It is extremely frustrating to have to scour the net to find any info on the PS5, instead of just getting our news from the source - Sony.
This has certainly been a messed-up console release on all fronts.
Off topic, but let's be honest here, all that Sony staff change and presidents swap didn't go very well. At least they are not doing on par with the old crew.
@OmegaStriver I dunno, man. Couldn't tell you a single thing about Destruction AllStars!
@get2sammyb It's the 1st article with a list of things we don't know about, possibly the 3rd article on what we don't know about PS5 and the 5th article about how quiet Sony has been the past year or so.
I'm fine with all the articles, besides the 1 defending Jim Ryan, but that's probably what ironmike was referring to.
We learned a lot of important things though, like all of those games they were promoting as PS5 games are also coming to PS4. That was all I needed to know. Oh, and no financing like MS is offering on the Xboxen. I may have bought one for 2 years 0% interest on my Sony credit card. They have a Playstation card to I think, they should make use of that more.
I think you're problem is there is so much bad stuff you probably could be writing about buy as a lad running a PS website you want good news, and Sony has admittedly been stingy with that. Good luck.
Oh, here's all you need to know about Destruction All-stars, it has a better name than 1 2 Switch. I think Nintendo is still selling that for $60 3 years later. 🤣
They told us about the games, that is ALL that mstters!
1. Games
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100. Literally everything else.
Both have a lot of unknowns. On the surface you may think there's a lot more info about Series X/S but in reality that's not the case.
For example, the only upcoming Xbox Game Studios games that have any sort of release window are:
Age of Empires III Definitive Edition - October 15th (PC exclusive)
Gears Tactics - November 10th (console release, PC version came 5 months ago)
Halo 4 - 2020 (PC version, XB1 version came in 2014)
Psychonauts 2 - 2021
Halo Infinite - 2021
In addition we haven't seen Halo Infinite multiplayer, what happened to the console release of Flight Sim, we haven't seen Series X gameplay of anything (only Series S and PC), we don't know much about Series X/S enhancements for XB1 games, whether more OG Xbox/360 games are being added to backwards compatibility. etc.
It really feels like both Microsoft and Sony have events planned for October.
While I prefer the big Nintendo Directs approach of before 2020, I have to say Nintendo's handling communication better than both Microsoft and Sony at the moment.
@nessisonett I think they have some hidden tech or features they are trying to hide until literally the last minute, like nintendo did with the switch. Maybe a server based backwards compatibility where it just reads the disc to see its real and uses a system outside the system to play/stream BC. Just my wish on that. Im sure there are other things they are hiding in the UI and all as every console had features that were replicated by its competitors later on.
At his point I’m convinced they’re not giving us any information because they know we won’t like what they have to say. I’m not sure what that might be, but why else would they not be talking about their most important piece of hardware in 8 years?
@get2sammyb I'm 100% behind you on this. Sony have gone from 10/10 on messaging for the last few years to below average over the last 12 months. Change in management maybe?
We have still to see the console in any real world setting. Outside of virtual mockups based on USB or disk size we only have press shots and a single set of photos set against a ruler.
Sony clearly carries a substantial leed from this generation into the next but it's clear they are starting to chip away at little of that good will with their own actions.
@OmegaStriver 16 characters here is a link to more info: https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/games/game/destruction-allstars-ps5.3005732
@get2sammyb
You know what's really troublesome?
The fact that you need to excuse yourself for feeling the way you feel, perhaps in case someone else disagrees with you!! You definitely make a valid point and as always, there will be folks that disagree with you.
Let's be honest here, Sony is handling all of PS5 worst way possible. And they have the nerve to use covid as an excuse.
Don't get me wrong here, troubles for manufacturing consoles because some parts are hard to get is fair, just plain fair. But keeping all the other information about PS5 secret until the last month before release is really unacceptable!!
It's one of the reasons why I haven't jumped on the pre-order train. I'll buy a PS5, that's a fact, but I'll wait until I feel I got all the information I want and all these uncertainties have been cleared up.
All these pre-orders just lets Sony know that they don't even have to treat their costumers with dignity and respect. People should let Sony know that their business practices are unethical, to say the least, and we all know the best way to do it. Vote with your wallet!!!
this bloody site & its constant moaning is getting boring
Not sure why some are denying that this is a strange situation. It's not the new Tesla, it's a game console. It shouldn't be this hard to get information about it.
Sony has certainly mitigated my initial FOMO that's for sure. Call me crazy but I like to know exactly what I'm spending my money on.
I don't want to know everything, I like surprises.
I'm giving each of your bullet points a numerical value for clarity here.
1) While we can only speculate, the brief glimpses shown during June's PlayStation Showcase showed us a rather Sony-esque "stream of sparkles" and a "PS button" prompt. One can only imagine it will a refined iteration of PS4's Orbis OS, but we'll have to wait and see. I can't imagine an OS changing anyone's mind either way, though.
2) https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/99_percent_of_ps4_games_can_be_played_on_ps5_says_playstation_boss (99% of PS4 games backwards compatible, assuming both physical and digital versions)
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/official_ps5_page_mentions_faster_and_smoother_frame_rates_for_select_ps4_games (So we can expect a "boost mode" similar to the PS4 Pro)
3) https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/ps5_media_remote_includes_netflix_youtube_spotify_and_disneyplus_buttons (So we know that the big streaming services will all likely be on board. I think that's good enough for anyone at launch.)
4) True, not a lot known here, but, if it did absolutely nothing more than what the current share button, I can't imagine it dissuading anyone from the system.
5) https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/06/destruction_allstars_brings_vehicular_carnage_to_ps5 (Obviously a "battle royale/arena vehicular combat game.)
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/06/sackboy_a_big_adventure_is_a_full_blown_platformer_heading_to_ps5 (Obviously a cooperative, 3D platformer)
6) https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/this_could_be_the_first_ps5_compatible_ssd (Frankly, as per Sony's indication, I wouldn't expect any compatible drives at launch. We'll all just have to suffer with 825 GB)
The only real question is when is all this whinging going to stop.
yep, it's sold out and will be for months, just give us all the details now, we've already committed to purchasing the thing now tell us more, making people that bought wait extra weeks when it's out in about 8 weeks is bonkers
@get2sammyb I don't think everyone has to think the same which is what you seem to be implying. I'm fine with the information I have. I have a lot of faith having bought all of Sony's console and I pretty much know what to expect. I only care about the games and how they perform and I have enjoyed how they have performed this generation so next gen should be better.
Others need to know every bit of info possible and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't think it needs an article and I think because Microsoft is communicating a lot with consumers it puts Sony in a bad light. What we have to remember is that MS has a lot to build up on for next gen so they are trying to grow their base.
You are right to be unhappy not having the information you need to satisfy your purchase but I doubt it needs an article about it and I am confused how anyone has these complaints yet secures a preorder. The information is clearly enough to want to spend the money?
I’ve been puzzled by the excitement over both of the new systems. From what exactly is coming day one, to the fact that there are games that will also get releases on currently systems. I’m especially puzzled by the excitement of the new Xbox. When’s company is telling you I don’t care how you play, just play, wheres the excitement in that? From a standpoint of just watching how it plays out, it’s exciting. As a consumer, not so much. I’m fine with my Xbox One.
I wondered if there would be any display of ego going into the next gen. It’s a pattern I’ve noticed. Whichever company wins a generation, they make a series of mistakes going into the next gen, that reeks of ego. It usually comes back to bite them in the butt.
@get2sammyb fair enough - it is your job to worry about these things. After the year we've all had, I'll be happy to end the year with a ps5 in my hands but if not, not to worry.
I agree this is repetitive. The pre-orders are sold out as ordinary gamers don't care about UI. Got a point for details for games though but they will surely come. Some people just want to praise Xbox just because they buy Bethesda. But they have no new first party games at launch at all and use the similar UI as Xbox one.
Annnnddd this is why i responded with my wallet and havent pre-ordered it. Even though I'm usually an early adopter for most PS products. They do need to communicate better, and once the initial sales rush from the fanboys ends (I'm one to, but don't just rush a purchase because its PS). Im hoping sales start to drop off and they finally wake up, thats when ill purchase one.
@hi_drnick That attitude is exactly why they are being so closed off and still taking in all the money, same reason DLC stayed forever and companies still shamelessly sell MTX products. Blind faith from consumers does not breed consumer friendly business practices, I absolutely worship PlayStation and the brand as a whole but for the first time I’m massively hesitant, and we should all be a little bit more critical of their behaviour for the way they’ve handled PS5.
What I need to know is will my Best Buy store have a midnight opening for the PS5!! People today don't like to see the interviews in Sony's live shows. You see it all the time "just show me the games". I personally really miss all the interviews and talks that we had with PS4 launch. I know covid-19 is still here, but there is a work around video conferences. More Info would be great but at this point i just want to get my PS5 and see it first hand.
Meanwhile we know everything about Xbox, Nvidia have even launched their products and AMD have dated their reveal of everything.
Yikes.
The long series of red flags began in 2019 when Sony announced the console on the Wired website of all places, and it has been a slow, steady trickle ever since. The Cerny presentation was another red flag... who was that aimed at?
Every month, I assume that will be the month they open the floodgates and release all this crucial info they've seemingly been holding back. And every month I've been wrong. The importance of a UI reveal cannot be understated, as it's really what you'll be spending the most time with, more than any single game. Boring, but crucial. A teardown wouldn't hurt and we need more info on launch games.
If they don't upgrade the Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima for free I'll feel a right mug for buying them on release. I guess I can always wait for the remasters to drop in price, but it would feel pretty awful to be seen as a cash cow like that when I've already spent so much on Sony stuff.
It's a tough call for them for sure, as it's essentially money left on the table, but in the long run it's probably better to keep the loyal spenders on side. Not sure what I'd do in their position to be honest.
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi Lol what is your profile picture?
For me all of this sounds messy and while I was planning to preorder, I’m thinking now it would be maybe better to wait December just to check everything’s really all right. Don’t want to buy a console manufactured in haste with components manufactured in haste buy a company who seems to have a hard time putting the right pieces altogether in a timely way.
Im not going to make excuses for Sony, but they probably felt that it would be buried by the Bethesda news. Im sure we'll get something next week
@nessisonett what You have just described is my worst nightmare akin to some really messed up episode of black mirror where gaming is controlled by influencers and viral marketing hype overloading our senses before we can even get our own hands on it!!! Let Xbots play that game. Sony is above pimping out youtubers for online cred
@2cents Ok boomer
Personally, all these are acceptable and valid points. Surely Sony don't think "we are sold out so it doesn't matter" most of us can cancel those pre orders in a flash. More info on these games are most important to me, as this dictates if I actually need to spend the money.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L
Been considering cancelling my preorder as well or giving it away to someone who wasn't as lucky to snag one. I've got a 200+ backlog of games on PS4. It is my great shame.
I'm waiting to see what Sony gives us info-wise over the next 30 or so days, but the clock is ticking. $500 may be a drop in the bucket for some but I need to know what I'm buying ahead of time.
@2cents I think you'll find, Japanese streamers are due to get consoles to stream and give opinion. They are no different to Microsoft.
YES. The pandemic is not a valid reason. Microsoft is killing it this week. Everyday I see something new about Series X. Storage. Dolby support. Developer comments. Influencer and gaming sites powering it on. But Sony is silent. It does not build confidence or excitement. The best I got was a Spiderman remaster mess that was so convoluted that everyone made fun of Sony (But of course no footage of the game Or even a screenshot). Maybe this strategy works for some people but not for me. I am new to Playstation and I preordered and I am wondering if it was a mistake. Most of the games I want to play right now are Ps4 games and I am wondering will I have to buy them twice? I want to use the UHD blu ray and I am wondering what HDR formats it supports? I’d like to better understand how long the controller battery is going to last to figure out if I should buy a second one. I would like to hear more and instead Sony is doubling down on PS4 news. I get that. It’s just... not what I want.
@Medic_Alert your viewpoint is depressing and brings overall bad juju to an otherwise optimistic thread
Wow now you kids are making me feel old(before someone gets hurts I'm older been around since the first system)Sure it would be cool to lnow those things but there was a time we bought a system just knowing it was going to be at what bit and how the controller changed, what game came with it. So no we don't NEED to know everything we expect to know everything.
@BlahBlahBlee OMG thank you for providing links for these tryhards in the chat hoping to bash Sony for some sympathy likes
@nessisonett I’m 26 and still don’t know what boomer means
@Darthrau I was just going to say something similar.
As far as the product itself is concerned I'm very happy. Demon's Souls at launch? That's it for me. While I get that many people are dying to know the other details, I don't need to know more than -
Demon's Souls
Kena
Ratchet and Clank
Horizon
Spidey
God of War
That's plenty for me.
Saying that, I'd love to know why Sony are not in full on marketing mode right now. Other than PlayStation Access doing a few videos it's all very quiet.
Makes you wonder if they're readjusting after the big news last week. But right now they're giving all of the momentum to XBOX.
EDIT: Then again, they do tend to do things in their own sweet time.
@nessisonett xboxii lol
@bremkat34 Perhaps it’s like sheep? One Xbox, two Xbox?
@Shepherd_Tallon I blame the change of team and we knew this team was only ok.
@Shepherd_Tallon
“Sony giving momentum to Xbox”
Crickets in the chat
So exactly how much more info do we need? We know whats in the macine..we know the design..we know roughly its back compat with ps4 games..in reality theres actually very little we dont know about it..this entitlement and sony bashing is getting oh so boring now..move on and stop click baiting..
@Medic_Alert I just can’t wait till ps5 releases and your comments become irrelevant
@Darthrau I don't know enough to agree with that one way or the other to be honest. These are crazy times, with a lot of coordinating being done on the fly by a lot of companies.
We'll see what happens in the next few weeks.
@2cents I'm just eager to see the PlayStation YouTube channel light up with more fantastic trailers so people can stop talking about Sony needing an answer to the Bethesda news.
The ps5 is not selling on it's own merits, but instead on the PS4's.
@2cents
Actually we said we don't need information. What Microsoft pouring cash into a system makes you proud? They had good developers during the Xbox days what did they do to them? Can them. Look at the system they didn't even try same controller as last gen. Everything was put into gamepass so yeah you may want to back away from the kool aid
@get2sammyb you've made a great point over multimedia apps. Id not even considered stuff like Netflix necause you just assume what is on ps4 will be on ps5. But things are never that simple.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L go to one then
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L you sound about as believable as the marshmallow man being a real thing in Ghostbusters sure you are doing that.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L keep telling us your baloney stories lol
@Northern_munkey An article isn’t clickbait just because you don’t agree with it.
I do agree that the lack of communication regarding the PS5,(& from Sony generally),has been getting increasingly muddled, which has caused its own issues from there.
The promised ps5 teardown is well overdue. The info about the boost mode could/should've shown off how they could run in Sony's first party releases at least.
And though the SSD whitelisting I suspect is going to take a while as newer options will need to be tested,(& in the shorter term probably be expensive 'til more competition/options are available),we could find out will it expand the in-built SSD,or do we replace the whole thing like we did internally on the ps4?
Likewise can we move a ps5 game to an external HDD alongside our ps4 games (like we do currently),to free up internal storage & swap them back to the SSD when ready to play them again?
Are there any changes to the PSN/Services away from the PS Plus collection,a new psn store etc.?
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@kappasig390 My take on why they don't communicate : as it has been the case for every console at launch, it will come with a lot less quality of life improvements and usable apps than the current PS4. Try to remember the state of the PS4 UI and external (non)-capabilities at launch. We had to wait for years just to get folders and external HDD support...
So in that state, any information about the PS5 will be a disappointment for the fans used to the very much improved and user-friendly PS4 interface. And in these times of Twitter rage and [insert stupid term]-gates, it's better to shut up, let the console sell themselves, and give the info at the last moment.
I wish it could be different, but with the internet mobs these days it sadly can't be...
It's entitlement to know about how the thing works? Lol, wow.
Definitely weird that they haven’t showed us the UI yet, especially considering how they’ve been flaunting it as this amazing upgrade. Ultimately though, UI is just a way to boot up games, and it’s the games that matter. Demon’s Souls was all I personally needed to jump in at launch. But I totally get the sentiment of this article.
And for those complaining about PushSquare’s articles like this, just go to another site if you don’t like it. I personally appreciate that a site focused on PlayStation is, a) not afraid to voice concerns about a company and product that they clearly have a passion for, and b) work hard to publish articles on the regular to keep us gamers informed and entertained, especially during this crap-tastic year.
@sprybry Just curious. I heard the Miles Morales game is is 50 gigs on the PS5. Is it 100 gigs on the ps4, then? I didn’t realize this.
The communication to the outside world from Sony has been utterly appalling. Under Jim Ryan they've been a bit of a joke, he's not exactly inspiring confidence, and many of the blunders can be laid at the feet of him and his executive team. Whoever is in charge of marketing and communications needs to go. They've been awful. When they put together a show they're slick, but their dissemination of information has been at a glacial pace, and there's far too much consumers still don't know about the PS5. Far too much. Where's the teardown Mark Cerny? It's utterly baffling at this point, and simply isn't good enough.
The complaining is kind of justified if you are running a site trying to hype up the latest PlayStation but half of the upcoming first party titles appear shrouded in secrecy and we haven't seen a game launch from the console showcasing it's amazing speed at loading games.
I’d also like to see if they have implemented some of the features we’ve been asking for like time tracking of gameplay, digital game gifting, new UI, library, and trophy list organization tools, changes to PS Plus, etc.
I would like to know about the UI (and if they have trophy tracking) but the most important things I know. Software, controller, benefits (SSD, huge increase to the CPU). Just knowing I’ll have a few Sony platformers, GT7 and R&C, along with a new set of controller features to experience them, plus short loading times...that’s enough for me.
@LiamCroft maybe click bait was not the correct terminology...apologies
@Hypnotoad107 I couldn’t tell you. It’s a new tech that Sony apparently licensed back in July for PS4 and PS5. It will take awhile for the tech to be used across the majority of games, but it does enable compression of 2:1, up to 3.16:1 (according to a test on a “recent game”). Kraken alone does 1.45:1 to 1.64:1
This week was the week they should of started showing the UI etc etc because that would of made people not talk about Microsoft's big spend that much this week. God knows why still now we are still waiting??? HURRY UP SONY!!!(even tho they got my money already)
I'm not worried but also I am (lol). I'm pretty sure the ps5 will have the features I need: youtube, twitch, trophies, screenshots, themes, etc. but having no confirmation about anything is bugging me a bit. Starting to make me think it'll launch with very little features and well have to wait for all the updates. Lack of communication can get very worrying in the game industry
I don't understand the hype, barely anything on launch day, plays a bunch of PS4 games. People thinking this looks amazing with so little going for it. Don't get it.
Only people who I know are getting it is to play CoD and FIFA.
It's unfair to criticise this article, he's not bashing Xbox as usually and he doesn't sound like a fanboy for once and I say this as a compliment 👍🏻.
If anyone is deciding to buy a PS5 based on the share button or user interface I think they've got their priorities mixed up. Do I want to know more information about the things listed in this article? Sure. Does it affect my purchasing decision? Nope. Even the handling of tentpole titles. Will I be disappointed if Ghost doesn't get a free PS5 upgrade? Yes. Will I have to live with whatever they do decide to do about it even if that's nothing? Still yes. Will it affect my purchase of a PS5? Nope.
That being said, the launch game silence is much more problematic, and there's no question that I agree that Sony's messaging has been anemic. They really need to be trumpeting the confirmed launch lineup and list of launch window games.
People in these comments, and across the internet, who complain all the time about people who complain about video game-related things are more annoying and grating than the very people they're complaining about.
Yes, we should also be positive about things, and we shouldn't complain about everything. But this is a hobby that millions of people care deeply about, and it's within an industry full of cutthroat companies that will do things like fill their games with slot machines to drain people of as much money as possible.
We have a right to complain and criticize them for anti-consumer practices, and it's important that we call them out. Otherwise, these companies will walk all over us, and our hobby as we know it won't stay the same. If you think and trust that Sony will always do things with your best interests at heart and nothing else without us doing whatever we can to keep them in check, you're wrong.
It's not unreasonable to want to know what you're paying for, and it's not unreasonable to use your voice when a company is screwing consumers over in some way.
@get2sammyb Do we know that it can even suspend games or we do just assume it has the features the PS4 has?
I think people are missing that we don’t even know if create let’s us share anything. We frankly, are assuming it does what PS4 does in many respects.
@Medic_Alert @nessisonett Agreed.
@gollumb82 "Those who criticise you are just fanboys who would buy a PS5 if Sony never even showed the console in the first place".
Absolutely true. All they need to know is the pricing and even that doesn't matter.
I want to know why Sony are arrogant enough to think their games are worth £70 each.
If they need motivation there was a little announcement by Microsoft not long ago. Come on Sony.
I agree that Sony’s communication needs to be improved. I know there’s a pandemic but that’s no excuse for a lack of communication when social media exists.
The PS4 launch was perfect. This feels badly managed in comparison...
Two words........Jim Ryan.
series X seems to be selling out but here the UK at least the series S has been in stock everywhere consistently, doesn't look like it's selling very well at all
Everytime Sony has told us something this year, a week later we get articles like these. Its like clockwork. These articles are becoming exhausting. Let's do better community.
Sony needs a simple and long game session with Cerny just chilling, playing and talking about the "hows" and "whats" of playing on a PS5.
Something like the gdc talk, but consumer oriented and with the f*king console.
I really hope to see the UI and maybe a hands on video of the PS5 soon, I trust Sony to have all of their consumers in mind when they make these decisions, fingers crossed guys 😃
@BlueOcean
Yep. I realise that Playstation as a brand equals quality and some people think that's enough to warrant a purchase. Most, however, want the platform holder to share more info on PS5, if only to build more hype before the imminent launch of the console.
To this day nobody has ever seen the actual console. Sony never showed it. Only 3D renders. No information about external storage, little information about backward compatibility, no information on if they are planing something similar to smart delivery on Xbox, I doubt they will do something similar though. Anyway whatever Sony is hiding, we will find out!
It plays the games I want to play and thats all that matters, I couldn't care less if it has Netflix or YouTube or what the UI looks like as they aren't major factors as to why I buy a games console
@gollumb82 You hit the nail on the head. I think it's an awkward situation that is related to how Jim "Mattrick" Ryan is handling the launch of the console. Sony used to have much better people.
I’ve got to a point now where I’d like to see it first hand when we all get them on the 19th. It would be pretty cool to see it all for the first time at home.
Having said that, if they do show it off, I’m not going to be able to ignore it. Haha.
Target pre-order ships on time.
That is All I care about right now. I can see the UI when it turns on at my apt
Thankfully I haven't paid my pre order in full, so I can cancel it if I don't get the answers i need to make an informed purchase by early November. As I own a lot of PS4 games I want to know which ones I can play on PS5 day one. With Xbox I already know the answers to my questions hence I paid for my Xbox in full.
@God_of_Nowt it's thoroughly bizarre isn't it? They've been so far ahead of Microsoft in terms of talking to developers and providing SDKs and regular updates and feedback from what their first parties are doing / have discovered. It really stands in stark contrast to how they are communicating with their customers.
@Sprybry I think you were the one talking about Oodle. It won't reduce game file sizes by 50%. It's just a compression system that is exceedingly good at compressing texture maps, and other map types, where patterns are normally far more difficult to determine. Oodle is actually part of Kraken, or at least an extension of it, for only one aspect of art resources in the game. Textures do make up a large proportion of a games file size, but so do meshes and other assets (@God_of_Nowt could tell you more about the struggle to create art assets that compress well). Kraken is actually exceedingly good at compressing most things, code included. The one major oversight in the PS5's throughput was large textures, the SSDs raw speed would probably have been utterly fine, but now? Well, it's nice. Very nice. Don't know if the SDK is updated already, but I'll be super interested to see how it performs, if it performs half as well as advertised we could be looking at filling the system RAM in roughly a second. There has been a dream in computer game development, the "as you need it" dream. Essentially the idea is that if you could move something from storage into RAM or straight to the GPU/CPU the moment you needed it, you could have all your computational resources going towards that specific frame. The PS5 isn't quite there yet, but it is damn close, really damn close.
It has shown games and more importantly, gameplay running on a PS5 console. Microsoft, for example, has as of yet failed to show even that much on their console, and people are still pre-ordering the console.
It is an unideal situation for both, but we have to make do with everything that is going on in the present world.
Articles like this are getting tiresome... This site getting tiresome... For god's sake Tokyo Games Show still happening today and you guys haven't wrote of any of the games coming to the PS4 and PS5 yet (pathetic)...
For example, where is the news that Psikyo Shooting Collection Game Bundle is getting a PS5 release? Where is the article about that?
Also Where is the news about the compression solution that the PS5 is using (Oodle Texture compression techniques)? RAD Game Tools just wrote a blog about it and it is really interesting. If it wasn't for Playstationlifestyle.net I would have never know... Frankly, I get better and more value information from that site, than this... and with much less whining.
Stop with the Soapbox BS and cover the news...
@Agramonte same, as long as I get it and the games I want to play then I'm happy. It'll be nice to see it for the first time when I switch it on if anything and I've lost count of how many devices I can watch YouTube and Netflix on
@rpg2000 I agree on the Oodle news, it's pretty big news. The one thing that didn't compress well on the PS5 were textures. That's gone now, the PS5 I/O has the ability to shift between 15 to 17GB/s depending on your game and file types. It's thoroughly mental. The decision to make the I/O upgradable via firmware update is possibly the most important decision either console manufacturer made.
I don't care about any items on the "worrying because we don't know nothing" list. We will be okay. Just bring on the damn console.
From a pr perspective Sony have been an utter shambles this time going so far as Microsoft having pops about smart delivery showing how the tables have turned.
Sony have been slow, not very consumer friendly re their Spiderman fiasco and we believe in gens BS and have been expecting blind faith from consumers to keep things chugging along whereas Microsoft have been largely upfront, consumer friendly with gamepass, next gen free upgrades and have seem agile.
Yes people will scoff at mentioning Jim Ryan but comparing Andrew House' leadership compared to how the organisation is behaving now is night and day.
I'm guessing October for another Playstation 5 Showcase.
Sooo... #SackJimRyan ? 😂
There's even more things... Will PS Now work at launch? Will PS5 games be offered in PS+?
It's bizarre. It's kind of insulting. I'm exactly what was described in the article. I payed with PayPal, so my order is one of those that's already paid for. I've actually purchased a $500 console, two (discless too for someone else), payed up in full, and i don't even know what i paid for yet beyond that it plays games, looks fugly, and is made by a company that made other consoles i liked, and one they abandoned months after selling it to me.
It makes me wonder why i bought it and if I'll regret it. I don't feel invited to a special event. I feel like they're scalping tickets to an event they haven't actually lined up the bands for yet and are trying to dodge and string me along hoping it'll actually pull together by the concert date.
@kappasig390 First off, it's only been a week. Secondly, why do they have to share anything else? Maybe they want you to be surprised when you finally turn on your console. After which, you'll share your experience with others and that'll sale all the consoles they need.
@SoulChimera Heck, we don't even know the real size! The official measurements don't include the largest parts nor the base.
Rumours are their will be no more news until October 4th.. so 8 more days yet of absolutely nothing... you haven’t even see gameplay of Destruction Allstars, or even Sony actually show the damn console in real life and not some render! This is one crap launch by Sony, really poor and amateur hour stuff. And no Covid is not an excuse.
@Darylb88 Doesnt matter if you pay it in full or not, you can still cancel. You doing that makes no difference to anyone except the next person waiting to scoop up that pre-order. Take your Xbox and all your 3rd party titles and game on. We're good over here.
@S1ayeR74 This post is poor and amateur. The console will be shown in all its glory prior to release. So will Destruction All-Stars. Why are you complaining about something that you know is gonna happen? You guys lack patience.
@BlueOcean Yeah, cause this matters SO much. Caution, It may be too big to fit through your front door. Smh.
@NEStalgia That really sucks. You should definitely cancel those pre-orders.
@get2sammyb That’s actually pretty unheard off, that you can pre order a game for £70 that launched in 6 weeks and you cannot see ANY gameplay of it. Or find out any information about it. It’s one poor attempt to launch a game and a game console.All Sony have shown of the game is a CGI trailer. No one has a clue how it plays.
@get2sammyb I'm 100% in agreement with you. It's just simply not good enough. Their lack of communication in general this entire year having this stupid drip feed is completely ridiculous pandemic or not. It's the 21st century, if E3 would have happened they would have showed the console and the UI and how that works just like previous generations and yet this time pre-orders have gone live, I've got mine pre-ordered but it's based on brand faith. This isn't good enough. This isn't their first ever console, they know how it works.
@Makina Is that what they need? You should tell 'em that.
@SilentScorpion_ You're right. It isn't good enough. You should cancel your pre-order.
@kyethegr8t No you clearly don’t understand marketing, this is one crap, like really crap, marketing job. It’s a joke to be honest in the games industry as a whole. I have never known a game that can be pre ordered for £70 and it comes out in what 6 weeks and you cannot see any gameplay of it. Or find out how the game actually plays. Add to that a console that you cannot see, basically Sony has totally and utterly failed to connect with Social Media for its marketing, Microsoft has been heavily embracing it for several months now and make Sony look very amateurish.
All we’ve basically had is Sony showing some game gameplay off and nothing else. And Microsoft showing the console off and no gameplay. Now I can understand the games not being ready due to Covid, but then does that mean the PS5 isn’t ready due to Covid too but is going to launch anyway? Yeah I can see that not ending well..
@kyethegr8t That's not how selling consumer technology works in 2020 mate. People need to know wtf their paying £450 for before they actually buy it. Not knowing crucial parts like how backwards compatibility works and the upgrades process will work or what features/ui the console will have 57days from launch while taking pre orders for it is an absolute disgrace. This is Sony we're talking about here, not their first rodeo, they know how this should work by now. Imagine pre-ordering a brand new iphone and all you know is what apps will run on it and a few cgi/digital renders of it? Would that be good enough? Hell no. We haven't even seen a photo of a real PS5. Just a bunch of renders. Absolute joke.
@Eadgar @IronMike What exactly has Microsoft not shown off their console? Because they showed the UI and a few features if it and a terrine and the console running a quick game demo months ago. He’s they have lacked in game demos since, but it’s false to claim they have not shown the console, they’ve shown ALL the console now.
@-Sigma- Two more... is useless. You’d better hope he does a decent job as he IS the boss of PlayStation, as is Spencer for Xbox, only Spencer has turned Xbox completely around, Ryan seems to be screwing PlayStation up? Thankfully Cerney knows what he’s doing at least!
The biggest thing we don’t know is how loud it is! Would everyone be happy if you had another PS4 Pro in front of you? Forcing you to wear headphones or turn the TV volume to max just so you can play a game comfortably? I hate how loud my PS4 Pro is, and my launch PS4 was too loud too.. it does in fact put me off using my Pro, and no I’m not going to wear headphones to make up for Sony’s poor design choices.
@Ridwaano
We don’t know about region lock, but with the globalisation strategy from Sony I would think it’s not region locked.
The PS4 camera can be used but only with an adapter. Apparently free (at least for PSVR owners)
I want to know about PS+ too, especially whether they will integrate with PS Now, but given the “collection” I’m thinking no change. PS4 games and maybe an indie on ps5.
Of course you can’t download ps3 game on the ps5, neither ps5 nor PS4 are backwards compatible with PS3 games. Streaming only. A better question would be whether, eventually, Sony allow ps5 games to be streamed into PS4 (and PC etc)
If you mean can you play games on an external hard drive on ps5, well, there aren’t any advanced enough SSDs. You could on PS4 though so I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to on ps5 when the drives are available.
Yes, you can plug in any set of headphones and get 3D audio.
Who knows about the fan noise. It’s huge enough that there is no excuse (although I’ll largely be playing with headphones snyway)
@S1ayeR74 Thanks for the response.
I meant to say Microsoft has as of yet shown actual gameplay running on an Xbox Series X. I know they demonstrated Halo, but it was running on a PC if I remember correctly (feel free to correct me if I am wrong).
Sony on the other hand has demonstrated actual gameplay running on PS5, which to me is much more important than showing UI features, etc.
I still haven't got the answer to the one cornerstone question that will determine whether I'll ever buy a PS5 or not. But am I restless to get it? I wouldn't say so. A purchase of this pricetag is a long saving road for my budget regardless, the units won't be going anywhere when this road comes to an end, and I'm comfortably buried in backlogs on many other platforms (yes, including the PlayStation ones - referring to a prior comment of mine, I was never replied by mail in the end, but at least a later ~$15 international mobile call to Russian support service had the problem solved😅). I couldn't so much as feign FOMO in my position. But those fanship-driven to have the new console day one may be a different story.
Great article. I was listening to a podcast and heard a good point, if the PS5 is advertised as being unbelievably quick, why at their event didn’t they show a game loading up from the dash in seconds? That would have been impressive right?
I think something fishy is going on with PS5, I think graphically it’s going to struggle more than most expect vs the X. We will see.
Neither Microsoft or Sony has told us wether you can play offline or if it a always online console, which Microsoft tried to release Las generation. How BC works etc, both has done a poor job especially Sony.
@Eadgar Ah in that case you are right, they have shown Gears 5 running on the Series X which looked fantastic it had to be said, and Minecraft, also tech demos of both showing raytracing and HDR enhancements. It was in Austin Evans video from months ago! Since then there has been one game shown on the Series X, can’t even remember what it was but it wasn’t anything big or special. But they showed a gameplay demo reel for the Series S at its launch?
We know all about the Xbox console but next to nothing about the games, and we know mostly about the PS5 games but next to nothing about the console. Very strange indeed.
@Fenbops But we don’t know as Microsoft has hardly shown any games running on the Series X.
@S1ayeR74 they haven’t been as coy about the hardware as Sony have, I think most know what we’re going to be getting out of the X, while there’s still a question mark over the PS5.
I read a really great in depth article the other day saying the PS5 in reality only has 9TF to play with, not the 10.2 advertised.
@Fenbops Yep the GPU power is not sustained and goes down when the CPU needs more power but Sony advertised the peak value only. The sustained figure is rumoured to be 9TFLOPS.
@kyethegr8t That comment came across as very rude. If you don't have anything nice or useful to say, please keep it to yourself.
@S1ayeR74 The game running on X that you are referring to is Haven
https://youtu.be/jtHj_2WBKKE
and Gears 5 was shown not only on X but on S running at 1440p120fps as a showcase for the smaller console.
@BlueOcean Hey, man. Nice to see you on the other side!
I'm started to think that the PS5 will be very stripped down and they don't want people to know that. It'll run games at launch but won't have the dense features the Xbox One/PS4 have until later. A lot of people forget the PS4/Xbox One were downgrades from the PS3/360 in terms of UI features and took years to add in the stuff the previous consoles had. Sony's been making this big "generations" push, maybe that's not about games but about the playstation ecosystem. They might not take everything from the previous gen and add on top of it like the XSX, they may be starting over anew.
@Nickolaidas I'm everywhere 😁. I still have 3DS games to beat, go figure.
I would've loved to see the new UI but at this point closing in on the release ill let it to be a surprise on day one , like an early Christmas present .
@710King Huge mistake if they're starting from scratch.
@S1ayeR74 I have a degree in multimedia design and development with a concentration in marketing Sir. No ones marketing is perfect but PlayStation and Xbox have done enough to sell their respective consoles. However, both of them will do and show more before launch.
@SilentScorpion_ ok. So, if you think it’s a joke don’t pre-order it or buy it. It’s that simple. No point in you coming here and complaining about something that you clearly plan on buying no matter what. Maybe if you just have a little patience you’ll get what you’re waiting for.
@get2sammyb I think it depends on what is offered. The Series X's UI is the same as what is already on the Xbox One. Won't be any surprises or that "new gen" feel. The Series X is essentially just a continuation of the Xbox One, which is what Microsoft is wanting as that mimics the PC market.
If the PS5 has some new out-of-the-box UI but lacks some features we consider essential or basic now at launch I would be fine with that for the most part.
@Darylb88 what’s rude is you complaining and comparing everything that Sony does to what Microsoft does. It’s pointless. One has great exclusive titles. One doesn’t. One is supposedly more powerful than the other. They’re two different consoles from 2 very different companies. Relax, have some patience and pay attention. I’m sure you’ll get the info you’re looking for at some point.
@KnightRider1982
Well I'd say that's a pretty solid guess considering the month of October is pretty much all that's left between us and launch 😁
@kyethegr8t You have every right to voice your opinion about the situation, but your comment was directed at me and I found it to be disrespectful. Telling me to "take my Xbox and game on" is rude. Just because I so happen to like both consoles it doesn't mean I can't voice an opinion that might be different to yours.
There has been a lot of random Sony hate and clickbaity type stuff from Push Square lately I have noticed. But it seems the author didn't do their research, as much of their complaints were already answered. More than once actually. So I'm kinda lost as to what the griping is about. Tbh I know more than enough, and already pre-ordered mine. Sony is in a position of power, and are set to capitalize on the installment base they built this gen. They aren't overmarketing like Microsoft because they don't need to. Confidence is quiet. Those who are bragging often are the ones who don't feel secure. Unlike their competitor they also will have launch titles. They are in a good spot. Seems this gen will just be PC, Sony, and Nintendo for me once more.
@Robocod
I really want to know that. In my dreams, I can put whatever games (PS4/PS5) on my 4TB external HDD, and then just copy a game to the internal SSD of the PS5 whenever I want to play it.
But there is no way Sony will implement this at launch. When you remember that it took them 4 years to let the PS4 support external HDDs, the capabilities of the PS5 at launch will be bare-bones (hence the lack o9f info coming from Sony...). My guess is that they will put all their effort in the game launcher (direct access to in-game missions, quick switching between games, immediate interaction with other players in other missions/games - all things I do really not care about that much) and the streaming abilities (enhanced implementation of streaming platforms, gimmicky gamers/spectators interactivity), but the quality of life details will come down the line in the coming 2-3 years.
@Fenbops On the contrary they have shown plenty. Before we even knew what the system looked like we saw a comparison between the ps4 pro and a early version of the ps5 running spiderman. They have shown other games as well, and even third party devs have shown off its speed, and have talked about what they have been able to do with it. I would suggest checking YouTube. You will find stuff there
This is why i will wait to get one.
@hi_drnick Absolutely not. Under no circumstances should you EVER trust a corporation to "do the right thing". Sony does NOT have a great track record and is seemingly hiding vital information. If YOU want to be a lemming that's on you, but I want to know what the ***** they are actually trying to sell me!
Microsoft buys Bethesda now all the fanboys have climbed out from their caves to bash Sony again. I need to see the results first.
I get both sides of it. Some people are getting annoyed at the complaints against Sony, discounting those complaints as entitlement or sensationalized. And that's probably true... to a degree. It's a slow news week, so maybe that's feeding into it.
Regarding that outlook though, I firmly believe we as the end consumers should be very, very entitled. We are paying a handsome amount of money for these systems. The entitlement is justified by the premium price, the money we pay not just for the console but the games and peripheral services. As paying customers, we are stakeholders in Sony's business. That gives us a certain leverage to say, well I want this or I want that. It sounds petty, but that's the foundation of capitalism - Sony only exists to serve our wants (and by extension make a profit). Is that line of thinking used to justify outrageous and unrealistic demands sometimes? Sure. Is it outrageous to expect more transparency from Sony so close to release? Not to my mind.
Look, this place is a discussion forum, this is THE place to air your grievances. Try not to be annoyed with us for wanting Sony to do better for our dollar (or pound sterling haha). They have to jump through our hoops, not the other way around. I think that gets forgotten sometimes.
My take is you would be a fool to buy a used car sight unseen with just some photos and a video of it driving down the street. I want to take that car to a mechanic, I want to look under the hood, I want to see the dirty underside of it before I give out a single red cent. Not a perfect analogy, but the premise is you are a fool to give money for something you dont have a complete picture of.
I want the UI shown off, I want more details on backwards compatibility not just with games but with PS4 peripherals, but most of all I want Sony to do a better job with timely and consistent updates. I want all these things, and I'm paying a decent amount of money for the right. So... be entitled. Or at least, let us be entitled on your behalf 🖒
@Ridwaano I heard Sony will offer a free adapter for ps4 camera 5o work on ps5. Would be nice to know more details about the console
Question, is it like a UK thing where you all believe you are owed something for no reason? The truth is, Sony doesnt have to show you anything, not the hardware specs, not a picture of the console, not a game trailer, not even the price. And ALL of you would still wait in line 4 hours to pre order it.
What's the interface gonna look like?? Really??? The XMB has been their interface for the past 2 decades. It's an award winning design that isn't going to change and doesn't need to. I will be buying 2 PS5s now because of your ignorance.
I see that Sony's arrogance has possessed some of its more fervent followers.
There is only 1 thing I want to know regarding Ps5.
What SSD NVMe are compatible with the bloody console???
Is it a secret or something? They want us to buy the console before they announce that a 1Tb SSDs cost as much as the console because it has to be the fastest on the market???
Normally when you have a product you think has highly marketable features that make it stand out from the competition, you go out of your way to market those features.
Hiding behind closed doors, making no comments, and discussing little to nothing about the product, and letting people make assumptions about it's features is surely a new strategy?
Either they have some strategy of going all out at actual launch day in November, or they don't want to add fuel to the preordet fire and are laying low, or they really have no idea what they're doing and are caught off guard by a competitor they're not sure how to compete with and are scrambling to figure out how to spin it all. Equal chances of any?
@SilentScorpion_ They were skipping E3 even before the pandemic happened. We thought they were playing arrogant and thought doing events that involve others was beneath the lofty pedistal of Sony, they do it their own way. Or they're was a grudge with esa. In reality it looks like they really didn't want to show anything because they just don't want to. Even after they sell the thing.
"Hey, Sony how's that new console coming along?"
"Shut up. Consoles are stupid. I don't wanna talk about it."
I can't help but wonder if they really were not ready to launch and really needed to delay and assumed the pandemic would force ms to delay first... And now have to scramble to define what the platform is in 47 days.
Have my console pre-orderd
Have Demons Souls and Godfall pre-orderd and paid for.
I only want to know what expandable SSD are compatible
Not bothered about the UI, Not bothered about a tear down, Not bothered about any hidden features yet to be revealed.
@GhostInAJar it's not blind faith. If they release the PS5 and it's a turd, I won't buy it. But I ain't gonna spend time before then worrying about it when PlayStation has a solid track record of releasing great consoles and games.
And as it stands, I seldom buy DLC and have never bought any MTX nor intend to start doing so.
@BNAG_Gamer
That's cool you aren't bothered by it (really, not being facetious). Shows restraint and self-awareness.
But I am. And others are. And in a selfish kind of way we have a right to be for the money being paid. So, this sounds kind of circular, but please don't be too bothered by us sounding off. The core issue isn't any single unanswered question at play here, it's the overall direction Sony seem to be taking as far as hands-off communication. Hope it's a temporary thing and Sony finds its footing with its messaging.
I'm sure all will be well ultimately, but I'd rather not see this repeated in future generations. That's me, but I respect that's not how everyone feels and actually admire the restraint on show which I clearly lack.
@Adagiumx Which of my questions has already been answered?
@Xiaolin so what's your solution? Live as a hermit? Move underground? Join a witch's coven?
If you're that anti-establishment, why buy anything at all? How are you even on the internet? They're out to get you, doncha know?!
In all seriousness, I'll only buy a ps5 if it's good but what are the chances it's not? What is Sony's track record with PlayStation? PSOne - good, PS2 - good, PSP - good, PS3 - good (yes, it had a bad start but it turned out fine), PS4 - good, PSVR - yes, it's been a success.
Duds? PSX (didn't make it out of Japan but was a cool idea), PSP GO (a flop but it was a trial run of sorts), PSVITA (I love mine but I'm going to assume you think it was the worst).
That's a pretty impressive track record (go on then, add the PSTV and PS1 Classic to the duds, I know you want to) and enough evidence for me not to worry about if the PS5 will be good or not. But as stated above, I won't buy one if it doesn't match expectations just like I didn't buy any of the duds above (except for the VITA, which I love).
@GamingVeteran
Take it easy on our UK brethren. Think of it more like a capitalist thing, not a uniquely UK trait.
Brass tacks, your argument they owe us nothing only works if they were giving it out for free. They do us something - $400 to $500 worth. Pretty basic principle there.
How much entitlement that money buys us is up for debate of course. I'm on the extreme end that Sony owes us their entire existence (all of us I mean). So I think the debate is valuable at least, even if it comes of of as complaining for complaining's sake.
@get2sammyb Absolutely fair article, don’t be disheartened by the blind fanboys. The list could have been twice as long. Here are a few practical ones I have been asking about for months, and will continue to do so:
There are many many more
Why I'm sticking with the PS4 Pro to continue to play through the exclusives. Pre-ordered a series X for gamepass and all third party game. Will pickup a PS5 in a few years. Either console refresh or when the are actual exclusives worth buying. Nothing day one making me need a PS5 and the lack of communication just takes the biscuit. Sony treating the move from PS4 to PS5 like they did the move from PS2 to PS3. Too cocky and full of themselves.
It's not labelled as news but soapbox and the full article is written as an opinion. If you can't stand fair criticism I don't know why you are reading this and throwing a tantrum. You dare to say that consumers don't have the right to know what they're buying and yet you think you're entitled to censor other people's opinions on the site they work for. Just say your own opinion and learn to deal with the rest of the world, you're not the only person that matters but just as insignificant as any other.
@BlazingCat83 I don't mean you but people attacking and mocking him and others. You made a fair point about Tokyo Game Show not being covered although even Xbox's presence was bigger than Sony. You are being respectful and just voicing your opinion as far as I know (I don't know you and I haven't read all your comments).
@Fenbops If it dose only run at 9TF most of the time then their will be a massive difference in performance compared to the Series X, the PS4 Pro is 4.2TF I believe, so a 3TF difference will be very noticeable. Not good.
@kyethegr8t Great so you can make a gif, and no Sony has not done enough and neither has Microsoft, one hasn’t shown the console, the other hasn’t shown the games. So it’s obvious they will show more, seemingly from You Tuners it seems.
@BlazingCat83 I also think that this site is not reliable, especially when it compares PS and Xbox but in this case Sammy is attacked (not by you) for expressing an opinion that, for once, is level-headed and focused on PS instead of blindly praising it while underestimating its competition. If I disagree with him most of the time I also should agree with him when I think he's fair.
@Adagiumx That Spiderman demo was on very early hardware, probably a PC, and it was a leak and was not meant for the public to see, so Sony did not ‘show’ that all as you were never meant to see it.
I say it again... that Lemper (or how was his name) is idiot.
@rockman29
But.... You.... Clicked on it....
@hi_drnick FYI PSP flopped in sales, PSVITA they dropped support for it very early when it could have been great and instead sold it as an accessory to your PS4.. also the PS3 flopped until they redesigned it and slashed its price, then it sold more, up to that point the Xbox 360 was outselling it regularly. And I have a launch PSP and I have a Vita and a PS3 slim and had a PS4 Fat, and had several Xbox 360’s.
Yikes...so we expect new things to be said/shown every week now? C'mon guys.
@rockman29
Hahahah! Did I get your panties in a bunch??
@get2sammyb
Just to throw in one more nag to add to your list, some specs on that 3D Pulse Headset are far past due. Driver size, etc. - just some basic info so I can compare it to the Platinum Headset and decide whether to cancel my preorder or keep it.
@MidnightDragonDX True but deep down they do care . Without us there would be no PlayStation ^_^ . But about this site and Showing odd backlash sometimes. I get it they could show more but when this site makes articles like this , it brings in trolls and looks anti .
@strawhatcrew no, we expected new things every week 3 months ago. Now we've bought the thing and expect to already know everything meaningful to know about the thing we paid or promised to pay money for without knowing these things. Ps4 we knew this much within 48 hours of pre-orders.
@S1ayeR74 But CernyDrive will be so fast, who cares about graphics ability?
Also agree with @blueocean . I've avoided participating on pushsquare for years despite a few regulars prodding me to. The tone of the articles and fandom always came across as too cheerleader-ish for my liking. But I've been impressed during this mess of a launch to find Sammy penning several articles echoing my own thoughts despite it being unflattering towards Sony. I've definitely gained much more respect for his writing and pushsquare as a result, and am looking forward to a hopefully well balanced editorial content this gen.
Guys. This is a Playstation website. And the editor of this website, who devotes his entire life to this brand, expresses some feelings and frustration.
How much of a fanboy does it takes to not agree with him ? Or, at the very least, to recognize that he's entitled to feel this way ? That he has the right to ?
Speaking for myself and myself only, I could'nt agree more with this article. I've passed the entire previous gen on my Playstation 4 and Playstation 4 Pro. So I ran with Sony. And I know the one thing they do right is games. They just do amazing games. That's a given.
However, I've decided to begin (that word is important) the next gen with a Series X. Microsoft has just convinced me, with its Gamepass subscription, the All Access formula and the horsepower of its machine.
At one point, eventually, I'll also take a PS5 (maybe when a Pro model will come out) to play these awesome games I'm gonna miss the first years (I did exactly the same with the opposite side, at previous gen, when buying an Xbox One X one year ago)
So I get Sammy's frustration and questionning. The fact is Sony's strategy, right now... just lost me. It did. Prices, silence, paying remasters, the lies about cross-gen (let's face it : they just lied about that)... everything.
In my opinion (and I can be wrong), to say that there is no problem at all with how Sony right now is handling its communication is just being blind.
We need all that matters about console. But of course its significantly less then MS says. And thats what bothers many people.
For me, inconsistency is problem. Ps5 games vs crossgen ones. And situation about spiderman is bad.
What I understand so far is, that you can play ps4 spidey on ps4 and buy mm dlc on ps4. Then you can play ps4 spidey on ps5 and buy mm dlc (ps4 or ps5?). Then you can buy mm ps5. And then you can buy mm ue ps5, where you have spidey remastered and mm dlc. What Insomniac wrote for some meant you can upgrade ps4 spidey to ps5 spidey (remaster) and for some that you can only buy dlc. Its very confusing from Sony side. I dont mind it, because I played whole ps4 spidey, so I will get dlc only. And I hope when I insert ps4 spidey into ps5, I can buy mm dlc for that 20 USD.
I understand that this is mainly because BC. But Sony has to clarify so that every user of ps understand their message.
@MidnightDragonDX
“this site has been doing little but complaining and bashing Sony lately”
I haven’t seen it that way at all, the complaints have been about Sony’s strategy which is largely “drip feed the fans a tiny bit of content and then go radio silent till the next time... keep them wanting more. Which works to an extent but is annoying as *****.”
“...rather than reporting any real news”
If Sony would give them something to report about then they would, that was the main point of the article!
“A lot of stuff came out of TGS and they chose to ignore it”
Did it really? I’ve kept my ear to the ground (on other sites) and seen very little new Sony news. Most have been trailers we’ve seen before. There has been a little like Nier Replicant.
Meanwhile Xbox had a showcase at TGS, whereas Sony a Japanese company didn’t.
In summation I think this article is entirely justified - Sony haven’t given us much information about the PS5 and keep going silent. What are they meant to report on?
This thread needs Justin Timberblakes "Cry me a River"
@sprybry Pied Piper!
@S1ayeR74 cool story, bro. The PSP flopped? It's the 10th best selling console ever with over 80 million units sold. It has sold more than the Switch (at present), the NES, the SNES, Genesis and original XBOX. If you consider that a flop, you need a new narrative. And sure, the PS3 didn't do well at first but changes were made and it ended up a success which sorta renders your point moot.
And as stated, for pessimistic types like yourself I listed the PSVITA as a dud even though I enjoy mine to this day.
Thanks though your specific yet flawed take on gaming history.
As a playstation fan I will miss all Bethesda games. Hope Sony step up their game.
https://youtu.be/AOyUcOoKZNk
@BlazingCat83 So you don’t think it’s a problem that we don’t know:
I don’t care about seeing the UI, actually I’d like the surprise, and Cerny always said the whitelisted SSDs would likely be a bit after launch.
But if you stepped back and took a breath you would see Sony is being very quiet about so many details people have a right to know before purchasing.
@NewAgeOutlaw716
But I hate Xbox and I love fallout series
@Lady_Trisha Why do you "hate Xbox"? If you think about it isn't that a bizarre thing to feel?
You love games, right? So love games!
I'll never understand feeling tied to one platform and going on a hill to die defending it. Its manufactured BS and completely against the inclusive idea of games and enjoyment.
@NewAgeOutlaw716 The PS5 won't be backwards compatible with PS1-3 discs they've already said this. (and this is OK in my view, it doesn't make financial sense) but around 700 of the best games are available via PS Now.
@BlazingCat83 That's cool man. Glad you can see it, it's not throwing shade at Sony for no reason, we want them to "be better"
Personally i'm really excited for the new gen of consoles NOW for the improvements it makes to my existing backlog of games
In the FUTURE I am also excited for
Anyway whichever console you choose be nice, we should all be gamers together.
As I have said multiple times this, is often times one of the worst enthusiast websites there is. Constantly negative about playstation. Nitpicky about lame issues. Yes Sammy you do sound like a whiney baby. Yes obviously COVID has played a huge part in why Sony has done things this way. But seriously is it that imperative that you know how the UI operates months before it is released? No you do not. As far as the backward compatability is concerned it is not that difficult to figure out Sammy. The Ps4 games will just play when you put them in. To utilize the Ps5 hardware benefits on Ps4 games you will likely just enable the boost mode like on Ps4 Pro. And for a playstation site you are not very aware of playstation news. We already heard news that japanese youtubers have gottten Ps5 to discuss the UI and other aspects in the next week or two. Well american youtubers have also confirmed they have Ps5s now as well. So we will know all we need to know soon enough. But the most important thing is Sony has never released a sub par playstation. It will be top quality and it will be innovative in many ways. So I recommend switching to decaf or popping a valium Sammy, but worry not all you need to know is coming soon!
@mrbone This is a weird comment since people were doing the same for the ps5 lineup when none even had a release date and a few weren't even new games, even more so when Sony made it sound like some of those games wouldn't be coming to the ps4.
@Lady_Trisha why do you hate Xbox? I don’t like what they did with the Xbox one so didn’t get one but the 360 was great and the X looks like really good value, especially with gamepass. So I’ve chosen to go with the X first. They’re really no worse or better then Sony.
@themightyant That's great you feel that way. But they are not just games we are talking about. There are corporations that make the games and hardware. And frankly I do not like Microsoft as a company. But most importantly I don't like their ecosystem, their aesthetic, nor their plans for the industry that I love. I much prefer the japanese aesthetic and type of games and game developers that Sony has grown. While gamepass may seem like a great value it comes at a cost. Videogames take millions of dollars to make, and many, many, years of hard work and passion. So when Microsoft releases new games day and date it devalues games in the minds of many consumers. This will particularly hurt indy game developers and publishers. When you have a small 15 person studio that worked their butt off for years and spent their life's savings to make a game. Their game may not sell as well because Microsoft charges betwen 1 and 15 dollars to play multiple 60 plus dollar games. They know that the amount they should get is 30 bucks, but gamepass is definitely going to affect their ability to get a fair value for their game because Microsoft is such a rich company they can give their games away for peanuts. To me Ps Now is superior because it does the opposite of gamepass. Instead of devaluing nee games it brings a spotlight onto older ganes that may have been overlooked. Finally I'm glad you're console agnostic but you are no better than someone who prefers and enjoys one console or ecosystem.
@Exlee300p I see your point, yet many indie devs have come out to say GamePass has been great for their games and had a positive impact. Not just the money they made directly off it but also the number of sales on other platforms, and later on the same platform, via being in the public conversation.
The same has held true for PS+ and humble bundles. Getting more players playing your games ultimately leads to more sales usually.
I remember that article about should / could the PS5 be delayed. That didnt age well very fast.
So with this article I reckon we might see a lot of videos with people getting their hands on the PS5 very soon....
But wait... who am I kidding... we know its happening next week already 🤔
@SLEEVExOFxWIZARD
I watched a Spencer interview recently about Bethesda. He said " Phones' at least 6 or 7 times to explain why
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@hi_drnick Firstyk your point about the PS3 is moot as you literally repeated what I stated, try to come up with something original eh? And it was a failure until they changed it, if the PS4 didn’t succeed the PS3 was such a failure Sony would have closed its PlayStation department, go and look it up. Facts you deny...
And the PSP was a sales joke compared to its competition you know that Nintendo DS.. which sold over 154 million units, again facts you deny and many people questioned Sony making a second handheld due to this. The Vita only managed 16.2 million units sold, a total and utter a failure, and again if you bothered to read my comment properly, instead of seeing select words and trying to come up with a sarcastic arrogant response, you’ll see I stated it could have been great. You’d also see I quoted a selection of the consoles I own including a Vita, so you’ve only made yourself look a bit foolish with your reply.
Sonys arrogance nearly killed PlayStation, it remains to be seen if they have repeated that mistake with the PS5 because so far they are not doing a very good job.
@S1ayeR74 take a chill pill, bro. Where did I deny anything about the sales numbers of the DS or the PS3 nearly destroying PlayStation (which is so far off the mark I won't even bother to deny). I'm sticking to my guns on the PSP bud. It was a massive success. To say it wasn't because the DS range sold a lot more is downright ignorant. Look at any other handheld that has been positioned against any Nintendo handheld. None of them even matched the PSVITA's sale figures let alone the PSP. Let me say again, 10th best selling console of all time. That is significant. You never hear anyone say the NES or SNES were sales failures but it did better than both of them. By your logic, anything that doesn't dethrone the PS2 is a failure and that is a fact you can't deny.
@SLEEVExOFxWIZARD
Well Ms repeatedly said last year they were going for 2 billion gamers and now they are saying 3 billion gamers. That is their main market goal 🤷♂️
i believe ps5 is a halfbaked product right now, however sony has a good track record to make things work..if you skip 6-12 months of your purchase you will get what you paid for.
@jbreez00 Aren’t some better than none? The thing is Xbox has zero first party exclusive at launch. Would not call gear tactics new game. Even some games come to PS4, they are still new games. What is weirded about this? This site seems to persuade not to buy PA5 but buy Xbox with a lot of Bethesda acquisition news with their earliest game if exclusive at all would take years.
waiting for it to be black; by then there'll be plenty YouTube videos on the UI, SSD, VR, and the like
@NewAgeOutlaw716
“ TBH if the PS5 not fully B.C with PS1-PS3 then it's no need for me to get one.”
Lol, so you are going to deny yourself ps5 next gen output because you can’t play 25yo games on it?
Cool story, but I call *****.
@zebric21
“ ..if you skip 6-12 months of your purchase you will get what you paid for”
? You’ll get exactly the same as if your had purchased earlier.
It’s not like there will be a price drop in the first year, although you admittedly could pick up some second hand games with a bit off.
@NewAgeOutlaw716 Nah, I'll live without TES 6 as well as Starfield. MS aren't getting a penny from me.
As for this article. Well, I'm not planning on getting a PS5 at launch so I'm pretty relaxed about it. All I know is that sequels to the likes of Horizon and God of War, as well as whatever Naughty Dog are cooking up next, will only be playable on PS or at least for a few years anyway. None of these games will ever appear on an Xbox system and that is all I need to know.
@Fenbops I had a 360 but only because everyone I knew had the same. I didn't care for their exclusives, to me the likes of Halo and Gears of War are the very definition of 'generic'. Then there is the Xbox fanbase, very bro culture and just like online stuff.
Give me a great sp experience any day of the week and in this Sony excel.
I don't hate Xbox but I'm not a fan of their games, their business model nor their fanbase.
Team Blue all the way.
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@S1ayeR74 while there is a difference in the tflop count, and there will be gains on the X as far as third party titles.
I really don't think the the difference will be as big as just the raw tflops would suggest.
I will own both systems, so I'm coming at this from a balanced view, just before any fan boys from either side start throwing toys at each other.
The PS4 Pro has 4.2 tflops the One X has 6, so going into next gen the gap will remain on that front, roughly the same.
Where the systems will differ is in accessing assets through both the new SSD systems and improved memory modules, and this is where the gap will narrow, the proprietary io system in the PS5 is much faster than Series X, and the memory modules are split in the X into a 10gb fast and 6 configuration, with the 6gb slower memory being used for the UI, although from what I've read, on a non exclusive basis, meaning that when and if required, the slower memory can be accessed for game use.
And that creates a problem for the Series X, in that the 10gb of fast memory will need to clock down to match.
Then there's any additional instructions Sony has added to the GPU and CPU during the chip development, we already know the PS4 was based on GCN architecture, and that the newer RDNA was 50% more powerful, and now RDNA2 is yet another 50% leap over that.
So waffling aside, I think it should be good enough to drive the next gen of never ending sequels, remasters and the odd original without too much of a disparity with Series X.
True, especially for me the new comer for this console. Need to know how to organize game, storage, online subs, and others etc etc..
@NewAgeOutlaw716 MP games are boring af though. Also, just like watching a favourite film or TV series multiple times, sp games aren't just one and done. I'm playing RDR2 a second time and loving it just as much if not more so second time round. I'll replay Horizon at some point as well as God of War and The Last of Us Part II.
Online games are dullsville.
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@thefourfoldroot you missed the point of my comment..when I got the ps4 day one there was no rest mode,The UI was a simplified mess, no HDR support, tons of crashes, no share play, no external drive support etc..i expect the ps5 to also be a work in progress.
@Col_McCafferty the 360 had some great JRPG exclusives too people forget. It wasn’t just Halo and Gears, I like those games too, but you had Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon, there was more variety on the 360 than just Halo and Gears. Now that MS have Obsidian, Bethesda and InXile it won’t just be gears and halo in the future either.
@zebric21
Sure, in fact why not wait 4 years so it’s even more complete? Seriously though, I get your point, just don’t see it as an issue. As long as there are games someone wants to play
@thefourfoldroot no issue at all..but rushing a day one purchase isn't wise..you may get a lemon too..if you remember how fragile the ds4 was..i'll probably wait 2-3 months max.
The only reason the PSP sold that many is because it was easily hacked and you could run pirated games on it! That’s not a success, I think you’ll find that’s why it is said to have been a flop, because of the piracy that surrounds it. Game devs stopped supporting it due to its piracy.
@JustNeepz No, a faster SSD will not close the gap in graphics performance. That’s a fact, it’s a storage device not a graphics processor. Third party games ran better on the Xbox One X and it will be the same with the Series X. And the TF in the new gen indicate higher performance then in the last gen devices.
Also the Series X is built better for 4K games hence the split memory, it’s more work to code for but yields better performance with 4K games. I can see it comfortably out performing the PS5, people won’t care about faster load times when the picture they are looking at looks better on one over the other.
@NewAgeOutlaw716 Yes I am because 1) I don't but that many games at launch anyway so often pay less than the original RRP and 2) I don't just play these games once and 3) online MP titles are fun for 20-30 minutes but I'm soon bored by them whilst, in contrast, with something like RDR2 or Horizon Zero Dawn the time just flies by and I enjoy almost every single second I spend in their respective worlds.
Not dumb at all mate, I've just got better taste than you.
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@KathyQ please don’t ignore me 😭 ha! Did you pick up FF9 btw? Love that game.
@NewAgeOutlaw716 you like being a sheep I guess.
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I don't care about CoD or FIFA, I play games to relax and to be swept away to other worlds and different times. I like stories and strong characters not simply seeing how many noobs I can shoot in the head or how many goals I can score.
As the saying goes, hell is other people and this is no more pertinent than when it comes to gaming!
And 10 months after series x was revealed to the world and there still doesn't exist a single screenshot of a next gen game running on it, let alone 1 second of gameplay lol.
And that is just one reason why it's going to be outsold 4 to 1 to PS5.
@BlazingCat83 I replied but messed names up, if you want to read my replies.
@mrbone I guess it depends on how far you fall into one camp or the other, neither has a particularly strong launch lineup at all.
i woudn't say the majority of people are "bored" - anytime preorder stock is made available, it goes in seconds.
@kappasig390 MS has not shown ONE game running on a next-gen xbox - HOW is that doing a great job of communication?
@OmegaStriver if you go to Playstation.com it tells you a bit about the game. Doesn't tell you much besides that it has 16 characters and a little about the gameplay.
People saying that Microsoft haven't shown games running on next-gen consoles just to justify Sony's lack of honesty and communication are lying. Just two examples:
Series S:
https://youtu.be/teNuT6UO1II
Series X:
https://youtu.be/jtHj_2WBKKE
Besides, Microsoft has delivered Series X consoles to Digital Foundry and IGN already. If that is not a great job of communication I don't know what is.
@zebric21
Sure. Sony had to replace mine as my stick crumbled lol. As long as the customer care is good it’s no big issue.
@get2sammyb I can't believe this article got more than 300 comments. Everybody is really on edge. The thing about the UI is not such a big deal like some people make it. If they will go with the same base for the OS, and that's BSD and most probably they will, the OS should have at least all features from the PS4 and just improved for PS5. With PS4 was new territory, but now they just improved on their PS4 platform. They are bigger questions at stake:
I think this is more important than UI. PS1 and 2 you had no UI it just played games.
@eddie429
I didn't say they were doing great, I said they were doing better, which isn't a high bar to clear sadly. And they have shown gameplay of Dirt 5 running on the new consoles (not that it looked super great).
@Olmaz
Some good points here, but I don't see quite the same worry that the UI will be s***. They have seen what the players want and have made, as you said, many of the improvements over the PS4's life. I don't see why they wouldn't just carry over most or all of those improvements to PS5. They have had to re-do some of the UI to take advantage of the new capabilities, but I can't see them binning everything.
As far as the Twitter outrage, you're spot on there, if I was a company I would definitely want to keep everything quiet rather than dealing with the mobs hating everything I do or say.
@kyethegr8t
They don't have to share anything at all, that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake to go quiet this last week. No company wants you to be surprised at the capabilities of their system/product/car/whatever, they want you to be sold on it from the beginning and in this case to pre-order it so they have your money and the other company does not. There's a reason that no other console launch has gone this way, because marketing and talking about your system sells that system.
PR just isn't something Sony does well, hell until a couple of years ago they had multiple PR branches often working at cross-purposes and mixing messages across the company. They have a history of stepping on game launches with other information releasing on the same day, they just often seem to be fumbling about.
I'd rather they make a great system and screw up the PR, but PR and marketing is the thing we're discussing so it's fair to call out the mistakes.
You could cancel your preorder and wait and see if its that much if a concern...a company like Sony isn't gonna let a pile of ***** leave the factory so I'm keeping my preorder cos I know that no matter what I will love my ps5
@GMoney2432 Thanks.
@kappasig390 Exactly. Sony can be as arrogant and silent as they want, they can open messy pre-orders without properly explaining PS5 features, exact measurements or exact graphical performance and it still will sell out during the first months. You only have to read some of the comments here to realise that some fans consider offensive to pretend knowing everything about a console that some people have already paid hundreds for but those fans are missing the point entirely.
O my all I see I a bunch of crying people that need to grow up !!!!!!!!
@S1ayeR74 Yes it's true, the SSD is a storage device, and while it's not directly related to graphics, the dedicated io throughput will be able to stream in assets on the fly, not to mention have the ability to be used as cache memory.
I have no doubt the Series X will have the extra horse power, my point is that is not quite as basic a point as tflops.
Well... tbh the hardware is all that Xbox has to show. PS5 actually shows games, not just promises.
The only reason why sackboy and the other one haven't been shown is cause they are not good showcases for next gen, i'm guessing.
Sackboy is a huge mistake with the Ratchet and Clank blockbuster about. They are sending it to die. It should get delayed.
But, yeah, they could show and clarify a few things about the hardware.
Personally, i would like to know how to transfer ps4 saves. Will it require ps+, or is there another method?
@Nem you should be able to save PS4 save states to usb stick and transfer them that way I'd imagine.
@JustNeepz Please.. the SSD will NOT have any impact on the terraflop deficit between the Series X and PS5, why do you keep trying to argue as though it will? Raw power is what will drive the graphics, not a storage device. And Sonys console is designed to fluctuate its power so won’t constantly run at 10TF hence the 9TF figure, the Series X can continuously run at 12TF.
@JustNeepz The SSD used as memory cache allows faster loading times and streaming of 4K textures as if it was some kind of RAM, it's similar to Velocity Architecture on Series X/S which combines the SSD speed with other hardware features. The SSD, however, can't increase the graphics processing power (TFLOPs).
The problem with PS5 is that the CPU and GPU are variable and can't reach their peak performance at the same time. The advertised 10 TFLOPs on PS5 is only possible when the GPU is overclocked and the CPU is draining less power while on Series X the 12 TFLOPs are available all the time. That's why the initial leaks and current estimates claim that PS5 is a 9TFLOPs console.
@Ridwaano Playstations arent region lock for 2 generations already.
@S1ayeR74 Stop you stupid ranting its nonsense. Your always bashing Sony with everything its such nonsense its getting old.
Yeah, I too get very upset for not getting daily updates on the PS5. I mean, it's coming out in less than 50 days, least they could do is provide updates every 6 hours.
@S1ayeR74 Who was arguing anything? You seem to be getting upset at anyone that doesn't share your opinion on the subject.
Just enjoy whatever console you buy, if your a real game fan, buy both.
@S1ayeR74 Why do you think the DS sold you moron. 😆
With their R4 cards.
I don't get why people are defending Sony, this launch is a shambles. Where is the detail on the 3d sound, the new force feedback on the controllers plus everything else listed in this article. I agree with someone else's comments that it seems Sony were desperate to delay this launch, instead they are half heartedly going ahead with it. Well done on Microsoft for seizing the opportunity to promote some really good reasons to get an Xbox. We wait so long for a new generation and Sony just seem determined to suck the fun out of it.
@nessisonett Well, it's a good thing Siny has given the console to a bunch of streamers then, right? They're doing quite literally exactly what you're asking. They've given it to like a dozen vtubers who will be showing and playing the system in the coming weeks.
@Chips78 Or you guys are just significantly too entitled and jaded. Lmfao. There is still a little under 2 months to learn a lot about it. What details do you want on the triggers and 3D Sound? Those are both very self explanatory features.....
@BlueOcean mate, please re read my comments, at no point did I say the SSD would add any tflops to anything lol
My point is that the dedicated io controller is faster on the PS5, which will benefit for streaming in assets on the fly, that's it.
And it's no secret Sony has had patents for a DLSS type upscaling system leaked out into the wild, so who knows what custom instructions have been added to the GPU, and that's the thing, at this point nobody knows.
Also like I said before, I'm a gamer, I'll be lucky enough to own both systems, knowing fine well which one has the higher tflops, but if I'm brutally honest, all that extra grunt under the series X hood counts for nothing if it doesn't even have any first party games to show it off.
@JustNeepz No problem. I can't wait for Digital Foundry to analyse all this and I am looking forward to seeing what developers can do on both systems. I know technology is not all that matters in a console so I'm excited about the (true) next-gen games even if they take a little while.
@BlueOcean no worries buddy, I just want a new generation of games.
I'm really not too concerned about Sony, when you see what they did with the humble PS4 Pro with games like GoW and Ghost of Tsushima and The last of us part 2, I don't think people who chose the PS5 will be too disappointed.
@JustNeepz Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it. I'm sure that there will be great games on both. We already know Sony's studios, I have a PS4 so I know more or less what to expect but I'm excited about all the new Xbox Game Studios: Playground's Fable (first thing they do after Forza Horizon games), Obsidian's Avowed, Rare's Everwild and whatever The Initiative is doing.
This is turning out to be a PS3 launch rather than a PS4 one. Admittedly, MS shot themselves in the foot last gen giving Sony an easier time but even so, this seems like a PR disaster in the making.
there will be PS5 hands on by Japanese youtubers 4-oct. let's hope revealing UI in that show to keep our hype up.
@Flaming_Kaiser Please don’t insult me on here.
@Chips78 The other side to that comment is that Sony has about five launch games ready to go, including a huge tentpole exclusive in Demon's Souls, while Microsoft has nothing.
So if you don't think Sony's prepared, then presumably Microsoft isn't either.
@Flaming_Kaiser Firstly no I don’t only talk about ‘negative’ stuff, or have you only read comments on here? Secondly it’s not nonsense as others on here are repeating the same thing. Sony have never launched a console like this in such secret. And I have never known a game that launched in 6 or 7 weeks to not show any details of gameplay. Please do tell if you know of one.
People have preorder PS5 not on the fact they know everything about the machine but on the back of Sony's pedigree in the console manufacturing business. When you buy into a brand you know exactly what you are buying into. You know the quality you are after and what you expect. That's what people are pre-ordering PS5 for.
I'm quite shocked that so many gamers are ready to give Sony a good luck in the nuts and wish Ms all the love in the world. I know I'm sticking with Sony on the PS5 and that it'll take time for the real AAA titles to hit the console. But they will come eventually. That's what I'm buying into.
It'll be real interesting when the dust settles in a year or two and Ms have no good games, because as far as I'm concerned nothing has changed at Ms. It'll be a repeat of this generation with a poor show on the first party games front.
@get2sammyb I'm definitely buying demon souls but let's not kid ourselves that it's over 10 years old. Im expecting ps5 to be great I'm just surprised Sony is holding back telling us all the great things about it.
@SLEEVExOFxWIZARD @BlueOcean The biggest issue i see with the ps5 architecture is they did a less damaging repeat as they did with ps3. A very Nintendo like solution of a bespoke, esoteric design, focused around the mutually exclusive dynamic profiles on the soc, and put all the r&d around the advantages of the one gimmick in the over specced sdd. Very classic Sony, or even classic Japanese design (despite being Cerny...)
The problem of course is that while they're may be some real situational advantages to that design vs XSeX focusing on raw power, only Sony's games will be designed to take advantage of that. Some like r&c will be based on exploiting the io gimmick. Others, say a naughty dog game, will maybe get some really impressive looking scenes out of it. But the third party games won't get any usefulness out if it. They design a game for pc and copy paste that design to console. XSeX is really just a very custom pc, so they can use it's raw power. They'll use ps5 as a 9tf machine, and that's that. They're not going to work around odd bespoke hardware to extract a few tricks on their multiplat.
Cell on ps3 was a disaster on a bigger scale than just limiting max performance. But it's the same idea of a console built to play Sony games, and of yeah, it kinda plays some others, too.
The one thing that has me curious about if the right hand knows what the left is doing, though, is now that Sony is targeting pc as well.... Is even Sony going to take advantage of it's own oddball hardware, or are they just going to target pc and only a few tech demos ever end up using the unique advantages?
@get2sammyb well done on a very popular soapbox!
@NEStalgia It will be like this generation, the best hardware gets the best multiplatform version. Firstly, it was PS4, then it was Xbox One X and now it's Series X. No developer is going to invest more than necessary on a port, the CPU and GPU differences are real and miracles don't exist (look at Switch). Same for controllers, touch pad = Select, motion controls = nothing and so on. The only games that will make the most of the atypical features of PS5 are first-party games, e.g., "playing" a guitar on the touch pad. The fast SSD will drastically reduce loading times compared to a HDD and will be used as a kind of additional RAM but won't make a difference elsewhere.
I've watched Digital Foundry's video of Demon's Souls remake running on PS5 and of course it looks and runs better than the PS3 game and loading times are obviously reduced but I'm not impressed and the game runs at 1440p60 with dropped frames. And we're talking about Bluepoint, one of the best studios remastering games and there's barely any AI in the demo.
EDIT: Yes, even Sony will target PC. We are witnessing how important PC is becoming, the very Sony is publishing their PS5 games on PC (and PS4) including Demon's Souls (Sony IP) remake, Spider-Man Miles Morales, Sackboy (Sumo Digital, published by Sony) and Horizon 2 so it's obvious that these games are not built exclusively for PS5 and don't need PS5 unique features (like the "Cerny" SSD) to run well or even better on PC.
@BlueOcean I’m so tired hearing about TFLOPs all the time. It’s not a mining rig. The boost will work like on any modern GPU, if it will have power headroom it will clock higher. And like Cerny said, and if you will check GPU benchmarks, higher clocks are better than more CU. Most developers are making games for minimum common denominator, if that is PS5 than most of XSX CU will be idle. XSX has no independent HW for audio or decompression, it’s all handled on the CPU that extra 100mhz will not count for nothing. 3,8 ghz will only work on BC titles where multiple threads or not needed. Plus you will have to account for the biggest bottleneck on Xbox , the OS(3 of them). RAW power doesn’t account for nothing when optimization on consoles is possible and easy when you have only 1 revision of HW, and Sony made that easy for developers since PS4. We will see, but Sony will impress with it’s inferior console
EDIT: And a big headache for developers will be the split speed RAM on XSX, most developers will not bust their heads to go over the 10gigs of Fast Memory.
IMO (no conf) but XSX will throttle more than PS5 due to the restrictive nature of their cooling solution.
@BlueOcean oof... That's not a good showing from demons souls at all... Normally I'd blame the developer but blue point is well versed in Sony hardware, including vita. I wonder how much of that is ps5 limitations and how much is that porting things from the dog that was ps3 doesn't leave much room for improvement. The return of checkerboard isn't what I'd like to hear.
@SilkySmile89 yeah, big number vs little number is overrated as a metric, and you bring up good points about dedicated hardware acceleration for audio and compression, relieving some cpu strain, that may play a factor, but there's still the mutual exclusivity of gpu overclock and cpu clock. It has higher clock in oc mode, but from what little we know still, it doesn't sound like that's a long sustained boost, and no third party is going to code around that specifically. Sony's games will make use of it, but third parties won't.
3rd parties aren't going to make the games around the limitations of one console. They target pc and scale it down to reach console, typically in the most ham fisted way possible. If copy and paste on ps5 without special workarounds ends up with low res or lower frame rate, they're going to leave it that way or just reduce the gfx features until it doesn't. Similarly in XSeX they'll just reduce textures until it fits memory if they need it at full speed. Whichever one follows the same implementation as the pc original, that's the one that will run third parties better. Ps4 wasn't bespoke like ps5, and i can't fathom why they thought returning to that now was a good idea. It sounds like it's an interesting design, but i still question if that design will see much use beyond is basic feature set outside 1st party.
I'm getting both, whichever machine runs a game better, that's the machine i buy it on. But from what little we have to look at right now, i can see why they don't want to talk about it more than they have to. They made some really questionable, and inward looking design choices and went bare minimum with software features. (Bc without boost mode..ugh, it's as though they weren't even watching the competition..... Or their own 4 pro that has boost... Though not at launch.)
Its all guesswork as to the cooling solutions and throttling, as we haven't even seen ps5s cooling solution. XSeXs cooling solution looks perfectly well designed, and a large fan moves plenty of air. Plus, the only consoles I've ever had with thermal issues and throttling came from team blue.
I have no doubt that Sony will use it's hardware well. The question is if Ubisoft, Warner, 2k, thq, ea, cdpr, etc will. AC Valhalla, cyberpunk, and watch dogs legion will be a good first look into how this will go in the real world.
I have recurring nightmares of the low, low resolution and smeary images of nearly all third party and even many first party ps3 games and/or the choppy frame rates. They finally went "normal"in the ps4 design before going back to unique designs.
@BlueOcean
What are you talking about?
DS remake is incredible. You make it sound like its crap hahaha
I cant 🤦♂️
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And 'dropped frames'?
Did you even watch it?
@SilkySmile89
You know what?
I dont really like Jason Schreier at all but he was right on the money a year ago. SeX and PS5 are very close in term of power. There is no straight answer as to which one is more powerful.
@SilkySmile89 We don't know what cooling solution the PS5 has and Xbox One X has the best cooling of the current generation, that is, the most efficient and silent. Series X is pretty much the same and PS5 gets hotter because of the fewer CUs and higher speed (which is not really an advantage when it's not even sustained but that's Cerny's marketing for you).
You are right about two different speeds for the RAM but remember that the largest amount of Series X RAM is faster than PS5 RAM and that none of them use all of it for GPU, that's why a small part of Series X memory is slower. The only difference is that the RAM of PS5 is homogenous but slower than Series X GPU RAM so no real advantage for PS5. PS5 is homogenous but slower. We know that the SSD is faster but Xbox has Velocity Architecture to boost the SSD speeds x2.5. Time will tell which is faster in practical terms, PS5 might still be able to load faster but at this level and especially compared to HDDs, both will load strikingly fast. I mean, we have seen Series X load a full game in a few seconds already (Quick Resume).
As for the power leap between Series X and PS5 not meaning anything, remember games run and looked better on Xbox One X than PS4 Pro without any effort, the same will happen next generation. It doesn't make sense to believe that games will make use of PS5 unique design 100% and not of the Series X standard design when games upscale very well on this kind of PC design so it would be exactly the opposite, the odd PS5 features will be vastly ignored. Third-party games will be built for Windows anyway and then use whatever sustained power they can use on consoles. Sony studios can try to overclock GPU and use as much power from the GPU as possible but how will they deal with the extra heat and what will happen to the frame rate? It's true that the CPU clock of PS5 is not far below Series X as you said but it's also a peak value on PS5, CPU and GPU share a power pool, thus if PS5 uses more power for the GPU it must use less power for the CPU and what will happen to the frame rate then? If you have watched the Digital Foundry video, it doesn't look promising, few enemies that don't particularly use much AI, 1440p resolution and still the CPU can't keep a perfect 60fps on PS5.
@JJ2 I watched the video on my OLED TV. The question is did you watch it or are you just talking bs again? Thomas says exactly that, dropped frames, you clearly didn't watch it and just overreacted as usually to defend your religion. You don't know which one is more powerful? The one that has better sustained CPU and GPU than the maximum CPU and GPU than the other is able to achieve. Answer this and you get your answer.
@SLEEVExOFxWIZARD I agree, the only problem I see about PS5 is that the CPU and GPU are variable and share a power pool so developers are going to be conservative in order to avoid the extra heat (the GPU speed is crazy) and to give the CPU some space. While it's true that Digital Foundry-level details won't matter to most people (who cares about the details of a horse's balls?) the question here is if PS5 can run next-gen games at 60fps and at what price. I'm sure it can but it will have to sacrifice resolution and graphical enhancements.
@Oz_Momotaro Right but the expansion cards are optional and games will be 30% smaller on Series S. I agree that the expansion cards are expensive and so will be PS5 SSDs (825GB will be over quickly with 4K textures). They look even more expensive because in reality both Microsoft and Sony are subsidising the price of the console. Series X and PS5 are sold at a loss for now. Accessories aren't.
@BlueOcean
Look Dude I'm not putting up with you talking crap to me like that. Defend my religion? What a moronic statement typically from some fanatic.
Yes right, focus on the one time a frame drops.
You carry on with your little console war campaign.. It's fine.
I was actually mind blown that this is actually the performance mode.
Got better to do than your keyboard warrior crap.
I'm done here.
@JJ2 You are the "fanboy console warrior" and not just that but rude, if you can't stand facts just ignore me. I have a 3DS, Wii U, Switch, PS4 and Xbox One X. Thank you and have a nice day.
@get2sammyb but the fact is your brought it! For me all they had to do was announce it and I was buying it day one. Think of it as a movie with trailers. U don't want your experience spoilt by seeing too much in trailers. Just think when u get it'll you'll have loads to write about as no one will have reported on those listed features yet. Glass half full
@NEStalgia The big fan is useless if you have restricted airflow. And negative air pressure is never ideal for cooling your system. Also hot air raises up, just simple physics, you don’t need a fan to do that. Would have been better to put the fan down to push fresh air inside the system. The APU is just passively cooled, never a good idea. Check other compact PC system like Corsair One, to mediate the restricted airflow, both cpu gpu are water cooled. And XSX is even more restricted because of the vertical stand that covers most of the intake at the bottom.
@BlueOcean I’m not defending nothing. I game on PC and consoles alike. I’m just arguing that you can’t make assumptions on unreleased hardware. No body can’t. On paper Xbox sounds better but that is never the full story. Captured videos on YouTube from unfinished games is not evidence of nothing .
@SLEEVExOFxWIZARD Yeah, that's exactly it. To be clear, I think both companies jumped the shark so high they flew for a while with these SSDs. There was no reason they needed to go all in on either an nvme3 (XB) or nvme4 (PS5) design. Going from a freaking 5200RPM 2.5" laptop spinner to even bog standard $100 (retail) SATA SSDs would have brought performance gains 1000x, come in at a fraction of the cost, saved the console vendors a ton of subsidy money on the hardware, and/or allowed other improvements, and the gamers would have had a world of difference in game loading and performance on a level unimaginable from last gen. Why both of them went down the bleeding edge nvme rabbit hole while the tech won't really be mature or affordable until we're talking about PS6, I'll never know. They tried to jump 2 gens on storage and half a gen on processing.
But Sony took it much much too far. Cerny blew so much R&D money chasing this excessive solution. He's the Kojima of hardware. For whatever reason he was obsessed with the IO without really having a reason for it to be.
I wonder sometimes if they use PS as a prototype for architectures they otherwise intend to use in other things, like medical imaging, industrial controls, or such.
It's not as bad as a bizarre architecture on the CPU itself (Cell), in that it impairs basic operations on the machine, but it's still a bizarre architecture that impairs using any of it's strengths unless designing for it explicitly. It's not just a bleeding edge SSD. It's the add-on drive that has to be a bleeding edge SSD. The on-board storage is this odd 12-module solution that's bridged in the IO, directly in the SoC, that basically accelerates simultaneous I/O, if the IO is so threaded, so that it can function like memory and "stream" assets. The problem is that PC isn't using that architecture, so no multiplatform game is really going to be designed around that architecture. It's a useless feature if you're Ubisoft targeting PC and cloud. And since many of Sony's own games are also going to be multiplatform/PC, I wonder how few of those will really use that. We'll get our R&C and Astrobot type things that tech demo it. But Horizon2 and the like won't be using it.
It reminds me a bit of the Space Shuttle. They redesigned that thing so many times at the Air Force's request. It was a joint project they were going to use for classified missions. They sacrificed it's reentry capabilities and made it almost impossible to land to change the design to use the clipped delta wing shape, specifically so it could land "stealthily" at a few USAF bases with narrow air strips. The Shuttle had tons of compromises to meet the AF's needs. Then shortly after building the Shuttle, the AF decided they didn't want it anymore and would go build their own miniature spacecraft.
It kind of feels the same "screw third party, lets build this thing with all kinds of cool features we're going to use in our own games! We can load it with gimmicks! Everybody loved Lair!"
(18 months later)
"Nevermind, we're going to go PC next gen, just do everything the way PC does it."
It seems like a lovely design for a database server storage solution though... They'll make their money on the patents probably. But I wonder if they gimped PS5 to do it. Of course we'd know that if they gave them out to DF and the like....but they seem to be waiting until its in the wild. I'm sure it'll be fine, like TLoU2 reviews...
@SilkySmile89 "Also hot air raises up, just simple physics, you don’t need a fan to do that".
Not really, that only works in open areas. If you have a big fan at the end of an hermetic recipient, it expels air as efficiently as if it was at the bottom. Actually better, it works like a vacuum, the air circulates at full speed until it's out of the recipient.
"The big fan is useless if you have restricted airflow".
Except that it's not restricted and because the recipient is rectangular, the air circulation is more efficient than if it was a long-shaped recipient. The motherboard has two parts and air flows through both sides of each, plus vapor chamber. It's a very efficient design.
Back in the Golden Age of gaming, folks had zero idea about what new consoles offered other than being "better" and having "better games".
In an age where we always know everything, even if we don't want to, I think it's pretty refreshing to not know. This is what I don't finish movie trailers if I see them exposing plot lines.
I'm still amused by the line of thinking that "maybe Sony wants to surprise us on launch day." Just imagine if Microsoft didn't bother mentioning the always-online, discs are converted to codes, spycam "features" of X1 until launch day in 2013. Oh what a surprise buyers would have had all in the name of fun and litigation! Usually if a company tries to "surprise" you post-purchase, it's because they're not sure you're going to like the "surprise."
@SilkySmile89 It's a bit of a jump to assume restricted airflow based on visuals of the component build without being able to really see the actual airflow path. It borrows a bit from blade server design and the like. Incredibly hot devices, that are packed as dense as possible, yet somehow still have plenty of air movement. Blades and 1U's have jet engine fans to move the air through the restriction of course, but that's a limitation of the space on the 1.5" height of the chassis, not an airflow imperative. Air is just routed smartly in those designs.
We have yet to see Sony's solution at all, so we really have little to go on there. You could be right, maybe MS got it wrong, but there's nothing inherent in the design that seems problematic, there's much that seems good about it, and the team behind it has a stellar track record of cooling solutions that work.
Sony's remains a mystery and may also be great, but is likely to be traditional based on the case design, and Sony doesn't have a great track record of well performing cooling solutions as they go into a console that has the primary performance feature of a short burst extreme overclock.
That they're being cagey about the unit and sending it, only now, only to some Youtubers rather than hardcore tech outlets is concerning. We'll see how in depth the youtubers go, but I'm assuming they're cherry picking "influencers" to praise how awesome the machine is rather than tech teardown aficionados that will pick it apart and identify strengths and weaknesses. I'm also assuming they're under tight NDAs that includes not opening the chassis. Meanwhile Series X is headed out into some industry hands including DF this week, I believe.
I don't mean to say "I don't think I'm going to like my PS5" but I think they're being far too cagey about what they have to indicate they have confidence that it's a particularly excellent piece of hardware. If they thought they had an amazing piece of engineering on their hands they'd be shouting it from the rooftops and shoving it all over tech sites. I think by the end of the gen it'll be a sufficient and lovably awkward machine to remember playing some great Sony and Japanese games on. Like PS3, but better. I'm not sure this will be remembered the same way PS2 and PS4 will be as stand-out icons of gaming.
@BlueOcean
Hey, games don't naturally look better on Xbox one x compared to PS4 pro. Get your facts straight. You are living in a Microsoft fantasy bubble, that is going to be popped very soon. 'Series x this, series x that' 😂😂.
And you keep telling everyone "I've a PS4" like you are trying to convince yourself. No one cares if you have a PS4 or not. On pure Xbox every second word out of your mouth is blasting Sony and Push square users. Talk about a deluded fanboy.
@NEStalgia I’m not defending Sony at all, especially because they didn’t show nothing. I’m also skeptical about all the silence. Maybe it’s great maybe it’s not. Got on idea of what might be. I think something similar to laptops, heat pipes going to the top half of the PS5 housing a big radiator and fan. Or something like PS4 but a bigger heat sink and a bigger fan. Curios if they used liquid metal. Highly doubt it. Time will tell ... waiting for release, I changed my mind on ordering something blind.
@tinCAT-zero Without delving too far into whatever contest you're arguing with @BlueOcean, I'm curious what multiplat games you've found look and/or run at smoother/higher fps on PS4 Pro compared to X1X? As someone who moved much of my PS4 library to X1X in the last few years precisely because nearly all those games ran smoother or looked better on the 1X, with the lone exceptions of Deus Ex: Mankind Divided for which a PS4 Pro patch was produced by Squeenix and an X1X patch was never produced due to product timing and generally lackluster game sales, and Tekken 7 for which the same is true, I'm genuinely at a loss for any other multiplats I prefer how it runs on PS4 Pro. And that's a library 300+ strong, albeit that number is stacked with tons of older back compat & Sega games and a handful of indies.
I could be proven wrong this coming generation, but I'm thus far expecting more of the same: PS5 is a box to play Playstation games on. XBox is a box to play everything else on at it's non-PC best. It's not a knock on PS, but just a reflection of where the prior hardware was and where I expect the upcoming hardware to be based on what we know. Similarly, Nintendo is my "primary" but I'm under no illusion that Switch is the superior platform to play Witcher 3 or Dragon's Dogma on. Yet oddly the hardware format makes it the ideal place for me to play Ori on despite having a 1X. That's why I like to have all the platforms, so I can choose the best place for each title.
@NEStalgia
First up I've a Pro and an X. I have bought a few games twice for the consoles. I have all the Dirt rally games on Pro and X. Plus I had F1 2019 on both console's but I sold the PS4 version. What I've found is the installation size is always smaller on 1X compared to Pro. Sometimes up to 20gb smaller. What is happening is, the developer is trimming the data to allow it to run better on 1S. Textures are being trimmed and whatever to give 1S a better chance of hitting the targeted frame rate. The 1X is getting the same install as the 1S and texture are visible missing and can in comparison (and do) look washed out compared to PS4
That's my experience with Codemasters games. Other games like RE2 are far superior on 1X but my point is, it doesn't make all games look better. The 1S is holding back the 1X. I think this could be an issue with series S & X in the future, but who knows. One other area where the Xbox has an advanced over PS4 especially in the Dirt rally games is the Xbox controller is probably better for rally games due to the better feedback it has.
@tinCAT-zero Hmm, it may have to do with a difference in genre preferences, as you're mentioning a few racing games in particular. That makes sense and echoes the fighting games experience I've seen a bit more closely. I'm assuming those games don't have 1X enhancement packages, but do have Pro enhancement packages, similar to Mankind Divided and Tekken 7, then. In that case, yes, I absolutely agree with that difference in games. On games with a 1X patch, the install size is usually depressingly larger than either the 1S or PS4 pro version due to the full flat textures.
On games with a more level playing field (which, I suppose by chance, is most of the 8th gen games in my library) there's both a 1X and a Pro patch available. And the difference clearly favors 1X. I did end up re-buying Tekken and Mankind Divided on PS4 after first buying it on X1 and not being happy with the performance/appearance for that reason, as well.
So yeah, if we're comparing games that do vs. don't have an "Enhanced for XBox One X" patch but do have a "PS4 Pro" patch....totally agreed the PS version is better. Though I chalk that up to the oddness of the mid-gen release and the timing not working out for some games. Where it reflects the whole generation from the start I don't know that we'll see that kind of difference. We'll see.
@NEStalgia
Dirt rally 2015 has no Pro or X patch and it's the most noticeable. It looks washed out on 1X and looks rich and textured on Pro. Dirt rally 2.0 is 1X enhanced but it's install size is much smaller that PS4 - that is the game that is about 20gb smaller. It looks better with 4k mode on, but doesn't look as good as Pro in 1080p mode. Weird. Also Grid 2019 looks better on Pro than X. The 1X version has no grass and the Pro version does.
@NEStalgia
Dirt rally 2015 has no Pro or X patch and it's the most noticeable. It looks way better on Pro and washed out on 1X. Dirt rally 2.0 is 1X enhanced but it's install size is much smaller that PS4. It looks better with 4k mode on than Pro but doesn't look as good as Pro in 1080p mode. At the end of the day I like both consoles. I also like Nintendo but I gave them a miss this gen. First time I ever did that because I was a massive Nintendo fan and still am to a degree.
@tinCAT-zero Ah, yeah, that would still make sense. Same with I think Tekken now that I think about it that I don't believe had a Pro patch, at least not at first, but the XBox version was based on the original "VCR" One and rendered at like 900p while the PS4 base version rendered at 1080p. Those Pre-S games run rough, no question, chalked up to that terrible launch console. That's the real pain of Mankind Divided, too. While there's a Pro patch and it looks beautiful on PS4, the XBox version is still based on the launch X1, so the thing is like 720p and blurry as all getup while the PS4 OG version was 900p and the Pro version is 4k (checkerboard.)
The mid-gen bump really did a number on this generation where you can clearly see the 2013-2017 games as totally different to the 2017-2020 games. I'm hoping that doesn't happen again this gen, though if our initial presumptions about where PS5 lands ends up true, I can't imagine them not needed to do a mid gen bump for the same reason XBox had to last time. Not looking forward to that....
@NEStalgia
I posted twice there, sorry ☺️. I'm just going to look forward to the next generation and enjoy it for what it is. It's an amazing time to be a gamer.
@tinCAT-zero You never say anything worth reading, you talk absolutely nonsense and bs like "I can't wait for playing 8K games on PS5!", "Games look and perform better on PS4 Pro than on Xbox One X!" and you call me deluded? You are ridiculous and don't have the required intelligence to have a discussion with the people you engage with so all you can do is call them a Microsoft fanboy because you feel offended and insecure as a mindless, deluded and ridiculous Sony fanboy yourself 😂.
"No one cares if you have a PS4 or not (...) First up I've a Pro and an X".
Epic fail 😂.
"First up I've a Pro and an X. The 1X is getting the same install as the 1S and texture are visible missing and can in comparison (and do) look washed out compared to PS4. The 1S is holding back the 1X".
Ha ha ha Comparing Xbox One games without patch vs. PS4 Pro games with patch and saying that the S holds the X back when Xbox One X has more enhanced games that perform and look better than PS4 Pro. Shame on you. Your lies are so ridiculous that you haven't convinced anyone yet and nobody agrees with you. You are pathetic. I am SO tired of you. Go back to your cave, troll.
@BlueOcean
Who do you think you're talking to!!! your mother? Don't talk to me like that.
For the record, since you don't have the intelligence, or cop on, or both to comprehend what is being said in a conversation, that you are stalking.
Dirt rally 2015 has NO PATCH on 1X and has NO PATCH on PS4. It looks better on, not only Pro but also on the slim PS4 than it does on 1X. How hard is that to understand? Take your time and hopefully it'll sink in. As for the other games I compared while you were stalking me - Dirt rally 2.0, Grid 2019, F1 2019 all have a patch on 1X and Pro. Doh....! They look better on Pro. They look washed out on 1X. Grid 2019 which has a 1X patch has NO GRASS. It has GRASS on the Pro.
You can go back to telling everyone on this site;
"Series x this, Series x that, I've a PS4 and a Wii u". Anyone who get sick of your drivel you call a Sony fanboy.
Get a life s***o. Stick to reading the Beano or just keep looking at the pictures.
@tinCAT-zero Go back to your cave, daft troll.
@BlueOcean
Go back to flipping 🍔, troll doll.
@Darylb88 I like both consoles too and will own both on day one. However, I'm not on here complaining about one or the other. I understand that things are not as they would have been if the world was "normal". For instance, we'd have all the info we want/need already and Halo would still be a day one launch. With that said, there is no point in anyone complaining about anything that they know they're gonna buy one way or the other. Everyone's problem is that they (you) have no patience. You have to know everything all the time. You have to have everything right away. Chill fam. All in due time.
@kyethegr8t OK.
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