There's Been a Big Scandal About Whether PS5 Can Run Games in 4K

This scandel was proven fake. The insider was from the official xbox discord and it’s rumoured that people where paid by xbox’s marketing team to spread the rumour without the knowledge of any MS higherups.

You forget to mention Dusk Golem admitted he said that because he felt the news were too one-sided against xbox 🙄
Aaaannd Jeff G also backtracked on his comments (even though still not yet realised he has no idea about what SmartShift does and what Cerny described in deep dive)

If checkerboarding 2.0 or some kind of secret sauce like dlss is implemented from amd that we've yet to learn then it really doesn't matter all that much.

This push for pure pixel count that some want is pointless to an extent and is largely wasteful on resources.

Similar to how 95% of folk don't care about mp3 vs flac as an audio source.

it's the last tower of defence that microsoft has..with their biggest weapon being digital foundry...expect tons of videos about rendering techniques and resolution that prefer the xbox..

The PS5 has already been shown to be running games in native 4K. It’s all BS spread by boring morons.

I've been following it and it all started with one random guy who has no technical knowledge talking about something he heard about Resident Evil 8 from months ago. Of course the Xbox fanboys latched onto it and shared it as fact just like that rubbish about Farcry 6 and its Xbox disclaimers somehow proving the PS5 and a 9-10 tflop GPU can't do 4K

This is why Xbox trolls are a huge laughingstock

I usually hate this console war drama and the crap it brings out from both sides, but I can't deny that this little ongoing soap opera has been pretty juicy.

@zebric21 I think the PS4 vanilla has great looking games so im not really afraid ill be dissapointed.

As I said before it seems the one investment Microsoft is making is in people to “leak” and spread rumors about apparent insufficiency of the PS5...

@Gilvin if that's true it really is a despicable practice.

@darkswabber
Alex from Digital Foundry is in the same forum as those Ms fanatics. Haha. I've known it for months.

@Flaming_Kaiser yeah,i still game with the OG ps4 and some games are phenomenal in the graphics department..

Sony could power the PS5 with a tattie and i'd still get one for the great games library that will be expanded upon from the PS4. I really hope these are kids that are 10 and under spreading these rumours because if it's teenagers and adults that's just sad, I used to think Sega was better than Nintendo as a kid but then I played a nes and snes. Guess what they were both great!

@zebric21 For me if i look at the firstparty games they still look fantastic but thats my personal opinion.

And the other games really nice too but if it runs good and plays fun i dont see the issues im easily pleased. I love my 2D look at 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim it looks great.

The most important thing for me is fun. And tell me do you think the PS4 Pro fake 4K looks that terrible?

Im not the biggest Nintendo fan but they show the most important thing about gaming is having fun and trying something else. I never heard complaints about the resolution on a Switch.

@Tatoun I hope is not true and to be fair I don’t follow the Xbox news at all. Have been a PlayStation player/owner since 1997 so, I don’t have too much to think about when it comes to my choice on the next generation of consoles. But all these rumors and non explained endorsements seems to be falling in favor of one console. One time is an accidents, three times is a trend. As a scientist most trends have an explanation (once again, lack of data could be one)

How someone, after listening to Cerny deep dive, could come up with 'this SmarShift tech is worrisome' Jeff Grubb is baffling.🤯

@Gilvin so... what? You think there's some truth in those rumors?

I’ve got my popcorn.

Loving Fanboy crybabies vs fanboy crybabies.

Every gen it’s great stuff.

I can’t imagine being that loyal to one massive multimillion pound corporation.

Good on you guys though. Keep getting upset over rumours and opinions it’s classic playground stuff and quite good to watch

Maybe this will be the chance that we learn to not blindly believe everything on the internet. Although, something tells me we won’t.

Someone at push Square covered the whole checkerboard process lets be honest nothing wrong with that, but with graphics improving thats being optimised over resolution which makes sense when a new console comes out id rathrf have nicer graphics over resolution if im honest, only gonna get one or the other or some form of sacrifice the dev will have to make to be able to even run both so id rather have full HD 1080 to 4k to have the best graphics

@JJ2 Man, Alex is so goddamn annoying and immature. It's a shame because I genuinely enjoy John and Richard and think the two of them are professional and nuanced in their descriptions; Alex feel so out of depth between them.

Thing is, I kinda believe this, in part. I can see a lot of games using checkerboard rendering instead of native 4k, since it's just a waste of resources and unless you analyse it pixel by pixel you won't see a difference. Horizon Zero Dawn and God of War did that, and they look amazing in my 4K tv.

Fake news. Anyone why buys this crap is thicker than a pile of dog ***** left in the sun.

People keep arguing over 4K60fps while I'm here happy that the console loads faster, bigger battery for the controller and hopefully be quieter

If I want power I'd just play my PC

@RazielReaper
Agreed. I wonder if there s any sort of tension between them? John seemed a bit emotional on twitter lately coming out of nowhere about new gen games vs cross gen.

@JJ2 Man I feel bad for John. I personally agree with many of his points, and seeing him just getting so tired over people from both sides arguing with him over nonsense was p sad.
I also do think they might have some tension between them behind the scenes. Richard is arguably the one who never lets his personal feelings into discussions while John keeps being level-headed with a pretty fair perspective when he analyzes games. Alex got a lot of flack for being notably biased towards one side and with his recent Halo Infinite video which even people who anticipate the game found to be lacking. Genuinely surprised he was let testing the Horizon PC port, I thought John would be on that since he loved Horizon when it first debuted and I think he was also the one who analyzed it back in 2017/2018.

Please.

Even if it were true that PlayStation 5 couldn't do native 4K at 60fps (Not true at all) PlayStation 5 would still sell more consoles.

It's weird there's always ps5 FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) everytime microsoft fails on their first and then second event 🤔

Also digital foundry already said nearly every games on ps5 event including ratchet & clank, horizon fw and gt7 is 4K.

If the games give me an option, I always choose 60 fps rather than 4K though.

@Tatoun oh no, the rumors are nonsense. What I meant was that it seems to be suspicious to have one of this absurd rumors per week

When two first party games announced “performance modes” that led the user pick between 30fps/4k+RT and 60fps/4kChekerboarded, I figured that was already the case, and I think so did most people.

I guess what most are not willing to accept is that the Xbox would be able to deliver 60fps/4k+RT on most games without trouble.

@Tharsman there are ps5 games already announced at native 4k60fps + Raytracing. GT 7, Deathloop and Quantum Error. Also nowhere did the games announce what the performance mode entailed at all; you’re injecting your bias I see all the time with your comments.

Edit: also, besides Miles Morales what game announced a performance mode for 60fps?

Sounds like dusk golem is a butthurt xbot lol

Honestly who cares?
Good games are good games and bland games are bland games. A slightly higher res won't save a bad game and a slightly lower one won't ruin a good one.

People take gaming way too serious.

It makes sense. Sony has for whatever reason decided to keep their stuff under lock and key. Since there is nothing useful to say we get fluff pieces and speculation from legitimate sites and negative comments from trolls. Normally that would be drowned out by facts, but we have almost none since... June. Or maybe you can count the PS5 controller demo in July? That’s why John from DF gets depressed, it’s not fun when all we have is empty speculation and trolling. I mean PS4 Pro did true 4k so... why are we amplifying stupid?

Obviously the hardware on both consoles can handle 4k/60, no question, but if they aren't optimized that has nothing to do with the box and everything to do with how the dev is writing the game. The PS5 won't struggle with it, but a game might if programmed lazily.

@Gilvin xbox has already lost this gen, all they can do is talk. Lolololol

@Stocksy not everyone is going to get both, and i have a bone to pick with xbox over the rrod still. So yes xbox blows and i hate their whole community.

It ain't all about the graphics. Current gen games like axiom verge, dead cells, undertale, into the breach, Kentucky route zero, pillars of eternity, blasphemous, etc. all great games, that didn't need that AAA graphical setting, like other games.
Gameplay over graphics. BoTW and witcher III, both great games. One has better graphics, the other has better gameplay. We can have both.

@SirRealDeal this gen is already a wrap, i signed up for pre order notifications and out of 15 or so names it was ALL for ps5. Also anyone i talk to is getting ps5, people know whats up

@solocapers If you're not listening to .wav, you're a scrub.

The folks that fall for this stuff are idiots. If you do your homework and your sums it's obvious the PS5 can do native 4K and 30/60....the CPU is a huge improvement over PS4 which will help with framerates and the GPU and SSD, especially SSD are a mamouth jump to.

Don't be fooled though. The series X won't be native 4k and 60 for all games... No question both these systems will hit these benchmarks.... We will also still see dynamic scaling and forms of checkerboarding....

But the guy who spouted that original statement. Typical of the keyboard warrior nature of the modern Internet.... If you know you stuff you won't fall for it...

Like most things in life..... The proof is in the pudding.

People seem to forget how this sort of stuff works. It's not a yes/no for everything. Different genres require different demands, and have different goals.

Racing games and linear action games will be much easier to reach those targets, and will almost always prioritise the performance. Where open world games will obviously struggle and focus more on visual quality.

That's how you end up with the Spider-man game having a 4k/60fps 'mode', rather than 4k/60fps being the standard.

Another thing about Dusk Golem, I read the entire Twitter thread and there's a comment he made saying: "I know this may be hard to hear, but it's what's going to happen" — like he's actually developing a game for it. Then to defend his whole rumour he says: "for time and time again, we've been hearing that Sony would wait for Microsoft to show their price first to under cut them and look they haven't announced a price yet" — how dense can this man be? Sony themselves said what their strategy was BEFORE the official PS5 reveal.

Man's full of it.

@darkswabber erm okay lol

@solocapers it's be more checkerboard but not DLSS lol

@Milt so are PS trolls.... That's why they are trolls so they can stir things up and start to get people to argue over stupid things

@MarcG420 Demon's Souls Remake

@Prime_Objective thanks, couldn’t remember. That’s not really first party though.

@MarcG420 demon souls remake is made by japan studios (first party) and bluepoint (second party), the IP is owner by sony.

@darkswabber no, it’s being made by blue point with Japan studios assisting. That’s not first party. And yes, I’m aware that the ip is owned by Sony.

@solocapers you said exactly what I had in mind.

Unless you have a giant screen or you sit 5cm from it, you won't see ant difference between 4k and 1080p with a good anti-aliasing.

I'd rather have an equivalent to dlss and 60fps or a ps5 that doen't sound like it's about to catch fire than native 4k, a dodgy frame rate and a fan that sounds like the Concorde (we all know how it worked out)

If the Xbox One X can achieve 4K at roughly half the power of the PS5 then why do people think the PS5 is incapable?

It's just more Xbox fanboys spreading rubbish out of desperation.
Dusk Gollem admitted before deleting the tweet that he felt the criticism towards Xbox was too 'one sided' and it is believed he simply wanted to throw fake shade at PlayStation.

@MightyDemon82
No doubt you can wrap a tattie in foil and bake it on top of it but I'm sure it'll crank out pretty pictures just fine.

Both consoles from the last 4generations (PS2, 3, 4 and 5, Xbox 1, 2, 3 and 4) put out incredible looking games.
There's will always be a power delta.
This time Microsoft has the edge and no doubt this will play out in multiplats, same as every other generation.

If back compat comes through in the PS5 I'll probably get one and tall through the back library of the PS3, 4 & 5.
For the 3 & 4, there was just never enough games for my tastes that warranted purchasing a console for 3 or 4 exclusives that I'd be interested in.

Hopefully this changes and I get a PS5 slim with this 10-15 exclusives from the generations.

@RoboJ1M that gave me a good laugh 😂 thanks

When devs shoot your rumor tweets down, I think it's about time to set the boxing gloves down and wait to see like the rest of us.

At release, none of this will matter too much. The multi platform games will run similar, maybe 4k checker on ps5 with native on the xbox. Graphics will look similar.
The difference will be a few years after release, when the programmers have figured out how to make the most out of the consoles. PS5 will excel at all architectural programming, eg loading times and actual game structure ect, whilst the xbox will pull ahead with the graphics and visual effects.
I sit on both sides of this fence. Some of the best games I have played have had the worst graphics. But also, I have absolutely loved games that are pretty average because of their visual spectacle.
I'm buying both on release anyway, so I couldn't care less. It won't even cost me half my weeks pay... 😂

I knew it was fake from the beginning.tipical x box fanboys spreading false rumors.word up son

What a ridiculous rumor, how can people honestly believe this? The PS4 is capable of checkboard rendering 4k because of technical limitations, The PS5 is essentially 6-8 PS4 in processing power and computation abilities with greater performance output capabilities. The fact that this wasn't outright dismissed is ridiculous on its own.

@solocapers Dlss is probably better than native 4k, and they can use the extra processing to enhance the frame rate. I honestly think Sony should look into this.

Want to see how this type of B.S. gets spread, watch Hater on Netflix. People get paid to spread this type of stuff, and the movie mentioned gets into that, along with the extremities of it all. The movie is messed up, but worth a watch.

Isn't it strange how following each XB showing,we first heard nonsense like the PS5 was struggling to do multiplats at 1080p/60fps,now its rinse & repeat for 4K....& not forgetting Windows Central claiming ps5 devkits were struggling too before that.
Yet thus far Sony's State of Play & the Unreal 5 demo etc.were ,"running on PS5 devkit".....& yet if I'm not mistaken all of Xbox's two shows thus far have shown "approximate XBSX target render" whatever that's supposed to mean or PC!!
Its weird how they have 12TF Ultimate Power that's soo much more powerful than PS5 on specs,yet they seem unable to show ANY games even running off a devkit & running rings around the "weaker" competition?!
Seems like Team Green supporters are getting a little desperate!

Its ridiculous to think that a Console that is clearly a lot more capable than ANY console currently available would 'struggle' to hit a Native 4k - we see Native 4k achieved on a few games on the Pro.

There will be some games that will struggle to run at 4k - if you also want to include Ray Tracing and/or High(er) frame rates and of course especially if you want all the visual settings turned up to max/ultra too. Much more powerful GPU's will struggle with that too.

As far as I am concerned, hitting Native 4k should be a 'choice' for the Developers BUT I don't think it should be the 'priority' option. You can save resources by opting to use temporal reconstruction or AI upscaling - resources that can be best utilised by improving performance, adding extra visual bells and whistles etc.

These methods of 'fake' 4k offer an image quality that is 'almost' as good as Native 4k and in some cases, actually better. In a side by side at normal seating distance, it can be impossible to tell until you pause the game and get closer to analyse.

Native 4k may actually be the 'worst' choice for a developer to opt for. That could limit a game to 30fps, mean that the visual settings have to be turned down, maybe not offer ray-tracing or the 'High Frame Rates (up to 120fps). Its an 'expensive' option that may not be the 'best' option for game-play and/or Visual quality. Of course if a game has the overheads to run at Native 4k with all the bells and whistles and still maintain a 'locked' 60fps as a minimum, why not? but if using 'fake 4k' frees up resources that can be used to offer a better visual quality and/or higher frame rates, that is MUCH better use of the resources than ticking the 'Native 4k' box.

Its NOT the same as the start of this gen where Native resolution actually made a difference to image quality, where anything less than the Screen's resolution meant upscaling by interpolation leading to a softer, less detailed image. There is no doubt that a CB rendered 4k image is better than pushing out the same number of pixels (4.15m pixels) and upscaling by traditional interpolation.

I would be happy with a game like HZD utilising the same CB4k (instead of a native 4k) if it also means a locked 60fps, some ray traced benefits, higher general visual settings and maybe some additional benefits too - like more environmental impact detection, more AI on screen (NPC's, Wildlife, Robots etc). Its a better use of resources than opting to hit a native 4k and having to scale other aspects back. Its not that the game couldn't run at Native 4k, it maybe that its a better choice to use the resources pushing for more game-play/visual benefits than pushing out 'pixels'.

The really annoying thing is a lot of YouTube channels are actually running with these "insider claims". They're just rumours spread by fanboys who are upset with the lack of games coming from MS and since halo has been delayed the rumours are getting worse. Remember the overheating BS? Well that turned out to be load of balls didn't it? So will this.

@RazielReaper I like him the least too. That's one hell of a scar he's carrying as well.

@JJ2 SmartShift is basically keeping the PS5 in the sweet spot without overheating. The hardware takes care of all that, nothing for the developer to worry about. Too many insiders on YouTube that show complete lack of understanding. My mum could explain it better 😂

Something proof bla bla pudding...bit personally I couldn't care less about 4K 🙂

He is talking out of his arse. The PS5 can comfortably produce 4K images, and it is insanely easy to get code, old code at that up and running on it. You can use pretty much use what you used on the PS4 and it runs. Obviously there'll be stuff that can be trimmed and tidied up, but the step from one generation has never been easier.

I hate so called experts who know nothing about the subject.
The PS5 may well struggle to run some games 4k 60fps, but its nothing to do with wether its powerfull enough.
Developers have a choice on where to spend system resources.
Since XsX games have to run on X1X, the games arent really pushing the hardware, so there will be lots of resource left to polish it up.
PS5 exclusives, may push graphical fidelity in other ways, more detailed models, more effects, more characters onscreen etc.
Im confident cross platform games will be comparable on both machines.

It's not a scandal, it's a bag full of crap.

You have to be a next level idiot to feel you have the need to create lies to "help" a Billionaire Corp like MS...

While the numbers are admittedly not huge, there are native 4K 60fps games on PS4 Pro. To think/believe that PS5 wouldn't be able to manage it is ridiculous.

This rumour just reeked of MS insider fanboys right from the get-go maybe some devs are taking their time getting up to speed with new tech but they will get there there is only one corporation taking swings at the opposition and it ain't Sony, MS need to figure out why they are a mile behind going into this gen instead of trying to discredit Sony via a few trolls

@solocapers Exactly. Some of the checkerboard rendering is getting so good that even the experts can barely tell anymore. I would rather have them use the new tech and get 60 fps, better textures, filtering, draw distances than hit that stupid native 4k number

Its very likely we will not get full ray traced, 60 fps true 4k games on the PS5. So what. I'll take ray traced 60fps any day over true 4k. And DLSS-2 is producing results better than true 4K + Anti-aliasing. Not clear Sony or AMD have something to match it yet but it will come as the generation progresses.

@darkswabber wouldn’t be surprised.

I’m sure MS pay people to comment on YouTube chat as well.

I’ve seen so many people just say “xsx day one” it’s suspicious.

But it's all BS you mean Some of the rubbish the other FanBoyz have come out with in the past year about the PS5 has been amusing really. It's like listening to some of those Kids who use Xbox LIVE + so far we have not seen one!?!? Game running off a Xbox(whatever it's called) That sounds more worrying to me(well not me because I couldn't care less about the next Xbox)

@TooBarFoo the quantum error developer has said the ps5 version is 4k 60fps with full raytracing. So he disagrees with you!

there are games on PS4 pro that are 4k.. with a 4Tfps GPU and a CPU that would barely power a tablet. PS5 has about 2.5 times of the number of teraflops (and it's much more efficent) and a much superior CPU.. what something is capable of is a matter of priorities. you could throw all the particle effects, ultra settings, ray tracing, a million NPCs and everything else and cause any GPU to chug no matter how powerful. 1080p would have been possible on PS3, if developers had chosen to use pretty low polycount models and low detail settings. if horizon forbidden west used all the same settings as zero dawn, everyone would still think it looked great, and i'm sure it would easily hit native 4k. the quality of an art department and its assets can make a huge difference than mere resolution.. look at halo infinite, that reveal was hugely unimpressive, even 4k didn't save it. the epic games demo on PS5 looked years ahead of it, even if it was "only 1440p".
also destiny 2 has been confirmed at 4k60fps on PS5. isn't dirt 5 4k60fps or 2k120fps on PS5?

i more interested in what kind of games and new experiences the PS5 can give, not whether it will play the same old s**t in eye-bleeding details or nausea-inducing framerates.

@DavLFC He said 4k 60+fps, not Raytracing. And it is basically a corridor shooter despite what they say. Of course some games will hit all three 4K, 60fps and ray tracing. But not large open vista games with lots of complex geometry. But again, so what. If you're chasing numbers buy an Xbox but numbers don't dictate the quality of the end product.

Give me 1440p With HDr 60+ fps then I am all good!

@RazielReaper Agreed. John and Richard are like veteren gaming analysis professionals (Richard literally is in fact), whereas Alex is like your average forum user. It shows in the difference in quality in their vids. Alex is fine with PC gaming videos, but anything else... eh.

@TooBarFoo “ But again, so what. If you're chasing numbers buy an Xbox but numbers don't dictate the quality of the end product.”

So much this. People loved TLOU2 at 30fps 4k checkerboard. No one, I think, will say that was a bad looking game. If PS is your platform of choice, just enjoy it. If you having fun, there is nothing to lose by the fact that a limited number of intensive games will be able to perform better on some metric on the XSX.

@TooBarFoo do you research.? He bloody says raytracing! Infact he said confirmed it in bloody april!!

@Tharsman But sony has already showcased gameplay on ps5. Why are ms showing "unoptimized"gameplay of a pc builds of their games. And mighty unimpressive gameplay at that?

Isnt about time they showed gameplay representative of the series x experience?.

The console launches soon after all. I guarantee you one thing once horizon forbidden west drops, then you will never see a open world game that looks as good on series x period.

@Wavey84 spiderman miles morales was running at 30fps on the sony showcase it's now confirmed 60/4k. I wouldn't worry about horizons cgi being 30fps it will be 60. Digital foundary are the worst trolls In the business 🤣

Console Wars are fun for me from a personal perspective, as long as they are not hurtful. I do not take part in them, but they do provide me with hilarious material I can read and laugh to.

However, spreading false information is something nobody should tolerate. What is the goal of lying? I am glad this was proven false but people should never take what is said on social media as thruth.

Shame that some sites ran with it and made entire articles about it, that is just bad journalism.

The only good thing about these fake rumors is that it rat out all the bias "gaming journalist" who are ready to jump into the PS5 hate bandwagon when the opportunity comes without fact checking anything.

I'm kind of sick of the whole "insiders" leaking things. Even a monkey can create a Twitter, a Reddit or whatever, to spread any bs they want and people are always gonna believe the truth that suits the best to them.
Why can't everyone grow up and like video games by their qualities instead of a freaking brand? I really don't understand this necessity of point fingers and mocking each other. My entire life I've been tired of people telling me that video games are for children. Now, it's very difficult to argue that when a lot of players act like one.

In terms of graphical capabilities, high end PC hardware is far ahead of current gen consoles, and even the best and most powerful GPU and CPU configuration which costs an arm and a leg to buy won't run every game at 4k60 without some tweaks to graphical settings (AMD Threadrippert CPUS/Intel 10 gen i9, and the Nvidia Geforce Titan RTX), and if PCs can't do it yet, next gen consoles definitely won't be able to. So for now, I think achieving 1080/60+ should be more than sufficient, especially if you throw in ray tracing, HDR and other graphical wizardry. I do expect some games to achieve 4k/60, and maybe hit 120fps, but I expect those to be few and far between.

Let's be real here, consumers are going to get a PS5 over and Xbox Series X for one simple reason, first-party games. Sony have proved they know how to find developers that know how to make their games work and tell great stories and provide great gaming experiences, it's already over, Microsoft again comes riding in third, original Xbox came in last, Xbox 360 came in last (Red Ring of Death sure helped console sales), and Xbox One came in last so, tradition will continue but, honestly, 1440p is not 4K, it's what PS4 Pro is doing now. Either way, Sony will still impress with the PS5 and Microsoft and Xbox are done for.

Nothing to see here , move on said the PLAYSTATION affiliated site.. convenient?

What Dusk did, at least in terms of intentions, was a big mistake.

However, I do NOT think he was lying when he said RE8 ran like crap on the PS5. The game was definitely unoptimized for PS5, and it showed on the trailer which dropped to like, 5 frames per second when Ethan encounters the old man and the werewolf.

But that doesn't really mean anything. Running better on XSX simply means the XSX is more PC-like than the PS5, not that the PS5 cannot run games at 4K WHEN optimized. But people failed to see the context.

That doesn't mean that Dusk was without blame, though. Him stating that he posted this in order to 'level the playing field' and give MS a 'win' because he was tired of console warring, made him look like a pot calling the kettle black.

It was a bad call, all around.

@vhsodre Fanboys act childish in any and all mediums. Sports fans, car fans, movie fans, comic book fans ...

Fan Dumb is a thing, and it's not restricted to video games.

@I_Like_It cerny already clearly stated the developers have to do absolutely nothing for the variable clock rates 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@Tharsman put money on it no Xbox game will outperform PS5 so when they come out let's come back to this.
baffles me how much you think 1 & a bit extra TFs can do.

as for the rumors that guy made himself look very stupid & what he is a trouble maker.

People talk about 4K and frame rates as if it is some basic spec that is built in the console. Of course the PS5 can hit 4K. Technically any console can. It's always a trade-off between 4K, frame rate, graphical fidelity, the number of polygons on screens, ray tracing, AI, etc.

Some developers will prefer graphical fidelity over 4K, opting for CB rendering. I think that's inevitable. And if it's close enough, who cares. There will be more stuff on screen as a result, so the game as a whole will probably look better because of it.

Can't wait until the PS5 and Xbox Series X launch so at least this stupidity about what each is capable (or not capable) of can be put to rest.

Don't care really.

Lol ive a 4ktv and a 4k bluray player i have seen all of 4k in its glory and for me its no different than 1080p. Apperantly our eyes cant see 4k. Ive a Samsung 3D tv bought for playing uncharted 3 i still play games on it today. 4k is a buzz word next itll be 8k. Im from the glass tv days lol

Who cares, their games look better than actual 4k games, anyway.

I legit don’t care at all if the PS5 hits 2160 or even “8K” if it has to utilise its own version of DLSS-style machine learning. Has anyone seen Death Stranding running on a PC with DLSS on? It looks, and plays, phenomenally.

What I want to know is if it's true 4k or checkerboard rendered 1440p again like the PS4 4k if not I just wish they would stop lying about it