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wtf is Sony thinking? Who’s stupid enough to buy this for something they won’t actually own? This is like purchasing accessories for a car you’re leasing instead of buying outright.

Been here since the launch of the PS1 and I can honestly say this is the first thing Sony’s done that actually has the potential to change my buying habits, and indeed even where I choose to game. Even the price gouging of the PS3 launch didn’t really bother me; I’m not rich but figured ‘well I’ll just have to save a bit more money.’

But this? Trying to interfere with my Right to own what I pay for? No. This crosses a line. I want to see them come crawling back on their knees, begging to let them sell me discs again. Fire that useless moron Hulst and that incompetent bean counter Nishino and find another Layden.

I like how ‘The Case of the Murdered Discs’ is set up like an episode of Columbo; we all know who the murderer is at the very beginning.

My time is valuable and I hate these arbitrary forced replay type trophies. This tells me if I were to play this I would probably think it’s very mediocre and want to move on to something else immediately after finishing it, and that the devs know that and are trying to corral me into spending more time on their game than it’s worth. If I choose to replay a game it should only ever be because it really is that good to make me want to do so, not because I’m artificially gated into doing it to finish out the trophy list.

I don’t play crap like this but the “Eleventh Season” headline has me wondering. This game hasn’t been out for 11 years, so what constitutes a season? Are there like 4 seasons a year or something?

This disc digitization is sadly the best we can probably hope for on Sony’s end, as their disgusting greed and filthy failure to uphold consumers’ ownership rights precludes them from doing the categorical Best thing, i.e. continuing to sell and support both physical and digital media. I’m hoping Sony corporate gets pistol whipped into submission by the inevitable backlash if Xbox’s disc-to-digital plans prove true.

@MrPeanutbutterz I can’t tell if that’s a slight against the pro digital people or the anti digital people

Maybe they can fix the glaring issues from the first game with a sequel. You know, NPC’s that actually move and aren’t rooted to the ground like trees, a less hideously garish color palette etc

1) It doesn’t explicitly state if it’s fully on disc or a worthless few MB’s

2) If PS6 has no disc drive and we can’t bring forward our owned media this is more insulting than anything else

3) If the dialogue in the full release build is as bad as what was in Ragnarok and what was shown in the Laufey reveal, I don’t even want to own this

Keep up the artillery offensive, boys! Blast them into submission

Step 1: Alienate the hardcore audience by launching an attack on our ownership rights

Step 2: Launch $1K+ console in the worst market conditions the industry has ever seen, targeting that same, now hostile, audience

Step 3: Profit (…?)

I’m one who’s considering leaving.

If it’s all going digital only anyway, then I’m little incentivized to buy 3rd party software on PS6. PC offers the option to outright own even digital code (GOG) or else offers a proviso far closer to that guarantee (Steam) than on Sony’s consoles. There’s a far higher degree of freedom (settings adjustments, mods) on PC and the games are, as a general rule of thumb, almost always cheaper than with closed platforms.

Unless Sony can incentivize me to stick around, I don’t see why I would. If I can’t have the security of owning a physical disc no one can take from me, or if at the very least Sony doesn’t provide some ‘disc digitization’ option like the rumored Xbox plan, then I won’t waste any more money in this anti-consumer ecosystem.

I am certainly open to the option of ‘creatively acquiring’ anything they publish on pc though. Tip the scales of justice back toward balance, and all that.

And…this is why there need to be platform wide regulations which forbid trophies in ostensibly single player games from being tied to any online, server dependent content.

Why did they annihilate the best, most technically proficient team they had?! Why not nuke some trash team like Halo Studios or the drooling unskilled fools coding those broken, bug-filled glitch riddled Bethesda Softworks games?!

I’m waiting to see if Sony does literally anything to even try to appease the hardcore. If they literally make no effort whatsoever, I can see myself migrating my 3rd party gaming to pc while eventually picking up a PS6 once enough exclusives pile up. I’m no fanboy; they F*d themselves and burned through 100% of my goodwill with their disgusting anti consumer arrogant greed, but the exclusives are worth playing—under the right circumstances. If they continue to present as arrogant scum, I’ll drop them like the cancer they are and just pirate whatever I can from their catalogue.

This just reinforces how this is my least favorite console generation by a huge margin. I’m aware tons of stuff has already been delisted, but there’s extremely little on this list I’m even remotely interested in. Something got lost in the post PS2/Gamecube/Xbox generation, and it hasn’t really been reclaimed yet. I long for the days when games were just games and not some vehicle for trying to either make a sale or make a statement.

The way Snake gets a little overexcited when he inspects the M1911 A-1 Eva gives him in Snake Eater is how I feel when I examine my vast library of physical discs and cartridges.

Hnnghhhh…A weapon to surpass digital media!

Then it’s up to us to make is as financially painful for them as possible.

mumbles to self

Hm ok let’s see, game probably won’t be out until 2029-2030, and it’ll launch in a flat out broken state with innumerable glitches and game breaking bugs. Wait another 5 years for the inevitable Special Edition rerelease to clean up the poor coding, then another 5 years or so to clean up that version’s glitches. Wait an additional 5 years until it’s on sale, since it’ll be digital only and without a physical copy for permanent ownership there’s no reason to pay full price…looks like I’ll be playing Elder Scrolls 6 in a nursing home sometime in the 2050’s.

If the collective foot of millions of fans pressing down on Sony’s throat won’t get us our ownership rights back, then at least we all get the pleasure of pressing down on Sony’s throat with our collective foot 😊

Something about the technical performance of the demo made me feel physically ill. I don’t recall offhand whether it’s a 30- or 60fps game, but the frame pacing was such that I was becoming nauseous playing it. I didn’t care for what I managed to get through, and this is one physical release I have no problem passing on.

So will oblivion remastered get a patch to fix the innumerable issues and game breaking bugs and glitches, or does that game not count among the “biggest franchises” now that they already got everyone’s money?

Hopefully Xbox grabs this low hanging fruit, if only to put even more pressure on Sony to either backtrack or provide a halfway solution.

When this is all said and done, I’ll be the one bellowing “Ownership!” as I’m drawn and quartered like William Wallace

I see no issues here. Why should you have to suffer more than necessary because of a developers’ lack of consideration of your time and/or skill level?

People seem to forget or not realize that trophies aren’t like Olympic medals. In any given event, only one person/team will claim the gold. Trophies/achievements were designed from the very beginning so that any number of people can have that trophy/100%/Platinum. Gatekeeping trophies behind overly tedious or absurdly difficult criteria is bad design, and so long as someone isn’t using an exploit with the express purpose of lying about the feat to boast about how skilled they are (when they’re clearly not), then I see no problem here. Some of us just want that 100%+Platinum in a reasonable amount of time to satisfy our OCD so we can move onto the next game.

“Let it Die” how ironic 😅

@Oram77

(Doing my best David Puddy impression)

“Yeah, that’s right.”

All I can do here is think of fringe, worst case scenarios.

What if I end up in a coma for 3+ years then suddenly come out of it?

What if someone is abducted and chained to the radiator and it takes the authorities several years to find you?

Or what if Sony focuses on live service slop too much and there’s a dearth of 1st party games worth playing and in a 3 year span you play mostly switch 2 exclusives? Why should we be further punished in these scenarios?

I get that these aren’t very likely, but if the tables were turned I don’t think Sony would agree to any hidden clauses that would provide me a way wherein I don’t pay for PS+ or a digital purchase, so all things considered this is indeed pretty scummy contractural scheming.

I love the visual aesthetic they went with here.

Booted it up a few years after launch and they still haven’t fixed basic things like camera control. There’s an Invert-Y Axis option in the settings, but it only affects the camera while on foot. The moment you get in a vehicle it flip flops back to up is up and down is down, forcing you to adapt without a choice. There is no vehicle specific toggle on console.

It’s like whoever was supposed to playtest this feature flipped the setting, walked around for a minute, saw it worked and checked the box and moved on. They never even bothered to get in a car and see if there was an issue. CD Projekt must have outsourced to the one cross eyed dullard who acts as Bethesda’s playtester, and the launch build certainly proves that.

@Oram77 That metric accounts for all microtransactions and dlc purchases too, not only digital games in the typical sense. It’s skewed, but unfortunately not enough to really make a difference and tip the scales back in favor of the end user. I would be curious what the actual percentage is. 70%? 75%? I doubt they’ll ever say.

“Physical games are vital to preservation, ownership and consumer choice” and that’s exactly why greedy corporations staffed by the dregs of humanity want to take that away.

I wonder if this cowardice extends to the day-to-day business affairs? Do Nishino or Hulst convene a meeting, table a stupid idea and then race out of the room and hide in their office, locking the door behind them?

If my only option is digital, it only makes sense to buy from places like GOG where you own the code and it’s DRM free, or from Steam where there’s at least some vague promise they’ll ’make provisions’ for your purchases in the event Steam ever goes under. I see no security or value proposition in leasing digital code from Sony.

Proud to be part of the 15%. The best and brightest have always been outnumbered by the drooling, capitulatory masses. Let it be known I die upon this physical hill, valorous and defiant to the last.

The answer to how Sony will handle disc based backward compatibility with PS6 is simple; it’s whatever decision makes them the most money. I’m betting straight up abandonment, the 3rd option listed here. That’s the least amount of work to try to coerce people into spending the most amount of money. Bingo, that’s what they’ll do.

Where’s the poll option

•I’ll be buying the same amount of games, but all my 3rd party purchases will be on Steam or GOG as that’s the closest you can get to actually owning digital code.

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@PercyChuggs

Mountain Gorilla > Orangutan, should have picked the better ape for your user icon. At least you’re not one of those chimp simps

MrMattyPlays is going to go ballistic next DefiningDuke

The base game from 20 years ago is a broken pile of poorly optimized spaghetti code full of game breaking bugs and glitches that were never addressed, and now we have that slop running inside the worst optimized UE5 container the gaming industry has seen to date.

Oh and it’s not on disc. Normally I’d lash out against not being able to permanently own something, but this is the type of trash that should be taken away from everyone and the drive with the source code on it taken out to the New Mexico desert and added to the landfill where they buried the Atari version of E.T.

@Kalime78 I was having difficulty formulating my thoughts, but that’s pretty much it. This is one of the rare instances I disagree with Shawn Layden, and yeah idk I guess I’d bet on him probably being right rather than me here, but I just can’t square the logic of brand damage/dilution vs. what? Marginally more people being introduced to an IP?

Right now Atari is looking like one of the better game studio stewards. They’ve made some smart buys, really quality teams like NightDive.

Microsoft has dealt more damage to the gaming industry in the 25 odd years they’ve been part of it than any other entity, full stop. They’re a boil on the collective buttocks of humanity

I wonder who in the Vatican has this preordered🤔

So they’re chopping down all the studios which produce smaller, interesting games and keeping the big pillars which are well past their prime and don’t have anywhere near the mainstream clout they once did, is that the plan?

Seeing some comments bemoaning the miniscule CPU upgrade from base PS5 to Pro. It’s 100% accurate, but not the whole story. DF has spoken at length about this a few times; it’s not as simple as ‘pay more money for a better cpu upgrade’.

The TL;DR boils down to compatibility concerns. It’s either a tiny incremental bump and full compatibility, a huge bump and no compatibility (in other words a death sentence for the machine) or spend an obscene amount for a ridiculously more capable CPU that retains compatibility and pass that price on to the customer.

Pick your poison; they went with the logical choice.

They’ve used it to great success with Pro’s PSSR2, and aside from the worthless ‘customer support’ ai chatbot that does less than nothing, Sony hasn’t really misused ai with respect to the end user’s PlayStation experience yet. I have tentative confidence they’ll use it properly with PS6 as well.

@For-Kier *forefront not “for front”

Hopefully this doesn’t hint at any more dlc. I uninstalled immediately after that god awful raid and wave survival crap was done, and unless they’re intending to add real, legitimate dlc (like Iki Island in GoT) then they should leave it alone and not drive it into the ground any further.