@species That is simply false. There is money in physical. The difference is they can make MORE money by taking the retailer cut and not producing the disc.
No, it's not.
Capcom games are constantly on sale on digital stores for sub 10 euro prices (which are great deals and why their games sell so much). Give us a week one spread and then we'll talk.
Even if it were though, it's irrelevant. The issue is about ownership and competition. That's what we are losing. Physical will always have collectible value though.
A bit late. Everyone got their wheels already.
Moza would've been nice, but as you say, they aren't ps5 compatible and i imagine new ones won't come out for a while.
@AdamNovice A petition requires registering on some website and divulge your data. This campaign is much easier to participate in. It will be impossible to quantify though.
@asdfghjklz The drive is 100 euros/dollars and optional. You will make more than that in the better deals you would get on some of your physical games. It pays for itself and reaches players who don't have stable internet connections. It's literally more accessible cause it reaches more players.
How is it "more accessible"? If anything it's less accessible. Cause we have both digital and physical atm. The next one is digital only. By definition, LESS accessible.
It's not gonna go away cause it directly impacts consumer decisions about the ps6.
No doubt it will come back in force then and it's just gonna keep being brought up on everything sony does. People won't forgive and forget. It's a huge betrayal of consumer trust.
This was such an insanely bad way to go at it and these executive decisions will have serious consequences for the brand and for sales. Whoever aproved this is killing the company. It's Jim Ryan level bad.
Gotta appreciate when a dev commits to fixing a disappointed game rather than cutting losses and moving on. Even though i understand many lay-offs happened.
That is because the US has a structural problem with how their neighbourhoods were built away from retail shops and they have been closing down. Also, safety is an issue when ordering online with packet thefts being common place.
Either way, not only do i not believe his numbers which are "estimates", but nor does that mean that physical media should not exist cause of the US.
Well, sorry to say but the game still looks like and runs like s**t. Even on ps5pro.
I doubt the expansion is gonna fix that. They dropped the ball hard with this game, which is why sales hit a cliff. I still say the expansion should've been cancelled and they should've moved on to the next entry where they could've built a new basis.
I hope they have learned that how many wildlife they have in the game at once doesn't equal sales. They need to reset.
See, what sony doesn't get is that this isn't just a closed studio issue, this was a slap in the face of much of it's hardcore fanbase. It hit players personally. It affects them personally. Consumer trust was lost. This is not gonna be forgotten and it will be reflected on ps6 lifetime sales.
@PizzaX3 Incorrect.
I could stop all gaming in new consoles right here and now and i'd be fine with my collection of 6 gaming gens. But, i got a PC and a switch 2. I am not under Sony's thumb. As it stands atm, i absolutely will not be getting a ps6.
But, i know they will be forced to make changes by law. We will see what happens, but it's very unlikely i will change my mind.
Also, yes, the ps6 will sell well. But, will it sell ps4/5 well? I doubt that. I foresee something in the ps3 range as things stand.
It hasn't really passed. It's all my reddit feed is filled with. It won't either. It's not like people will just forgive and forget. It will have consequences for the PS6.
I already have a PC. I play online games on it. I left single player to the playstation and switch. I currently no longer plan on getting a PS6. It's a PC with online paywall. If i go digital only, the PC makes more sense due to no online paywall and better game prices.
I imagine the switch 2 will gain popularity as the last console holding physical media. I got PS4 and PS5 at launch. I was preparing for the PS6 even with a higher price. Now that Sony spit on our face with greed, i choose to spit back. I don't need them. The IP i liked from them, they have skipped already. God of War was the only one left, but it's something i enjoy more than something i need. I can live without it. Actually, funnily enough, this means i will skip Laufy as well, which i was originally planning to get eventually.
I know greed guides companies. But, you will see even if it looks good on the short term, it will not on the long term.
I am certain this will cost a lot of PS6 sales. Yes, it will sell out at release, but there is no chance it will sell as much as PS4 and PS5. More on the PS3 lines. That will be the real cost. Consoles sales lost, games sales lost, subs sold reduction, reputation lost. The hatred will be repeated constantly on every announcement they make. It will take many years for this to "storm to pass". Real damage to the brand is being done here.
I hope it will be worth it for them, cause it will be harder to regain the lost trust. Ask Xbox.
@darylb24 In europe, we have a right to resell. A code in a box cannot be resold.
This was circunvented by the existance of disc copies.
You can see nintendo with gamekey cards as a way they used to circunvent it and they have the virtual key card system in place in case they want to open it. The structure is there.
Sony currently has not announced a way to circunvent it.
@Darff11 Games are a thing of the past. That isn't an argument. If there's demand and there clearly is, there is money to be made.
What Sony wants is a monopoly, cause they get the retailer cut as well. But, it's illegal in the EU and i don't think their greedy execs know it. They will need a solution or there will be lawsuits.
Well, i still say it's illegal in the EU cause that would be a monopoly and they will have to deal with lawsuits for "some time", until they come up with a way to allow other store fronts or the resell of digital licenses.
@Darff11 And why not? Vinyl records are still made. People like collecting things.
There is a certain experience with physical goods that disappears and can't be replicated with a digital download.
Unfortunely it's a pass for me. I got persona 3 reload and immediatly felt no incentive to continue the game. I think Persona loses a lot when you already know the story.
Yeah, i'm starting to think about staying on PC and switch 2. Sony is crossing too many lines now and it's not like i am a huge fan of any of their current IP. PS6 might be a pass for me.
@PuppetMaster So, the thing is, fighting games were already doing that before. The turbo, ultimate, super versions. It wasn't considered a live service back then.
Is it cause it's delivered online that makes it a live service? I dunno. Maybe it's the presence of micro transactions.
Btw, it's not necessry for the previous game to retire with the new one. A recent example is guild wars that is still supporting 1 and 2, despite 3 coming up.
It's more slippery than it looks to define a gaas game.
@PuppetMaster I very much doubt SF6 will have more than 5 seasons. You can call them short term live services. The thing that distinguishes live services to me is that they are not planned to stop, they are ongoing indefinitly.
It's not that live service games aren't huge, it's that the market is capped. It's very difficult for new games to break through when you got established ones where players already invested time and money and have years of content already.
It's not the case of making 10 and one will stick. It's the case of you needing to make something really good and really special to make players abandon years of investment, and that is extremely difficult.
Also, let's be honest, Playstation is terrible at this. It's not their strength and it's not what will sell playstations as these games need to release on multiple platforms to capture a big enough audience to not imediatly land on their faces.
Not only that but they did/do have one of these audiences with destiny and decided to throw it away, revealing ignorance of the model.
I also... don't think fighting games are actually live services, as they are not ongoing. They stop after a few years. But, some have been designed as them and imo it made them worse. Mortal Kombat being the most famous one. Coins, dailies, weeklies, grinds. It only made the games worse.
@RedFlash475 So you say. I just said the general sentiment here is not a happy one about studios closing, no matter who they belonged to, so i don't know why you keep making up these elusive people you are very upset with.
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Re: Ex-Wrestler Dave Bautista in Talks to Take Over from Ryan Hurst as Kratos in God of War TV Show
Will he be able to get in shape for it? I thought he didn't want roles like this anymore.
Re: Could Xbox Get Its Revenge on PS6 by Supporting Physical Games?
@species That is simply false. There is money in physical. The difference is they can make MORE money by taking the retailer cut and not producing the disc.
Re: Gran Turismo 7 Partnering with Elite Racing Wheel Maker on Official PS5 Hardware
@TheDarts I got a Logitech RS50 and it's been a dream. I guess you haven't upgraded to a DD yet. You got options about.
Re: Amidst Sony's Disc Debacle, Capcom Sales Data Is a Brutal Reality Check for Fans of Physical Media
No, it's not.
Capcom games are constantly on sale on digital stores for sub 10 euro prices (which are great deals and why their games sell so much). Give us a week one spread and then we'll talk.
Even if it were though, it's irrelevant. The issue is about ownership and competition. That's what we are losing. Physical will always have collectible value though.
Re: Gran Turismo 7 Partnering with Elite Racing Wheel Maker on Official PS5 Hardware
A bit late. Everyone got their wheels already.
Moza would've been nice, but as you say, they aren't ps5 compatible and i imagine new ones won't come out for a while.
Re: Angry PlayStation Fans Propose PS5 Blackout in Protest of Sony's Disc Decision
@Vertere Ownership and competition are nice things to have.
Re: Angry PlayStation Fans Propose PS5 Blackout in Protest of Sony's Disc Decision
@AdamNovice A petition requires registering on some website and divulge your data. This campaign is much easier to participate in. It will be impossible to quantify though.
Re: Angry PlayStation Fans Propose PS5 Blackout in Protest of Sony's Disc Decision
Ok. I'm game. Sounds like a beatiful week to dedicated to my switch 2.
This will need to go viral to work though.
Re: 'It Will Not Disturb the Industry Much': Major Publisher Doesn't Believe PS5's Disc Debacle Will Change Anything
@asdfghjklz The drive is 100 euros/dollars and optional. You will make more than that in the better deals you would get on some of your physical games. It pays for itself and reaches players who don't have stable internet connections. It's literally more accessible cause it reaches more players.
Re: 'It Will Not Disturb the Industry Much': Major Publisher Doesn't Believe PS5's Disc Debacle Will Change Anything
How is it "more accessible"? If anything it's less accessible. Cause we have both digital and physical atm. The next one is digital only. By definition, LESS accessible.
Re: Lara Croft's Newest PS5 Game Tomb Raider Catalyst Delayed to 2028
Ah, it's fine. Legacy of Atlantis isn't even out yet. Focus on making it great. The presumable lack of disc is revolting though.
Re: Sony Imposes 'Strictest Ever Social Media Guidelines' on Staff Due to PS5 Disc Debacle
It's not gonna go away cause it directly impacts consumer decisions about the ps6.
No doubt it will come back in force then and it's just gonna keep being brought up on everything sony does. People won't forgive and forget. It's a huge betrayal of consumer trust.
This was such an insanely bad way to go at it and these executive decisions will have serious consequences for the brand and for sales. Whoever aproved this is killing the company. It's Jim Ryan level bad.
Re: MindsEye's Latest Attempt to Rekindle Interest Is to Become Rocket League
Gotta appreciate when a dev commits to fixing a disappointed game rather than cutting losses and moving on. Even though i understand many lay-offs happened.
Re: Sales Data Paints a Very Grim Picture for Physical PS5 Games in the USA, UK
What's with these weird statements? 9th?! 7 over?!
The bs alert is going off.
Re: Promising PS5 RPG The Blood of Dawnwalker Pulls a Mass Effect with Save Data Transfers to Future Games
That's cool. Let's hope the game is good.
Re: Sales Data Paints a Very Grim Picture for Physical PS5 Games in the USA
That is because the US has a structural problem with how their neighbourhoods were built away from retail shops and they have been closing down. Also, safety is an issue when ordering online with packet thefts being common place.
Either way, not only do i not believe his numbers which are "estimates", but nor does that mean that physical media should not exist cause of the US.
Re: Monster Hunter Wilds Gets Permanent Price Cut Next Month Alongside 'Streamlined' Digital Editions
Well, sorry to say but the game still looks like and runs like s**t. Even on ps5pro.
I doubt the expansion is gonna fix that. They dropped the ball hard with this game, which is why sales hit a cliff. I still say the expansion should've been cancelled and they should've moved on to the next entry where they could've built a new basis.
I hope they have learned that how many wildlife they have in the game at once doesn't equal sales. They need to reset.
Re: Sony's Social Media Still Toxic Two Weeks After PS5 Discs Debacle
Well... Sony is still toxic after 2 weeks.
See, what sony doesn't get is that this isn't just a closed studio issue, this was a slap in the face of much of it's hardcore fanbase. It hit players personally. It affects them personally. Consumer trust was lost. This is not gonna be forgotten and it will be reflected on ps6 lifetime sales.
Re: PS5's Physical Disc Debacle Will Attract More Anger if This Xbox Rumour Is True
@PizzaX3 Incorrect.
I could stop all gaming in new consoles right here and now and i'd be fine with my collection of 6 gaming gens. But, i got a PC and a switch 2. I am not under Sony's thumb. As it stands atm, i absolutely will not be getting a ps6.
But, i know they will be forced to make changes by law. We will see what happens, but it's very unlikely i will change my mind.
Also, yes, the ps6 will sell well. But, will it sell ps4/5 well? I doubt that. I foresee something in the ps3 range as things stand.
Re: PS5's Physical Disc Debacle Will Attract More Anger if This Xbox Rumour Is True
It hasn't really passed. It's all my reddit feed is filled with.
It won't either. It's not like people will just forgive and forget. It will have consequences for the PS6.
Re: 'Sony Knows a $1,000 PS6 Won't Sell as Much': Analyst on Manufacturer's Plan to Maximise Revenue
What could go wrong?
Re: Dev Accused of Ripping Off Monster Hunter Speaks Out, Says Capcom's Series Is an 'Inspiration'
Hunting games are a genre. Nothing different about this one.
Actually the chibi characters completely ruin it for me. They are so out of place.
Re: Poll: Are You Considering Leaving PlayStation for PC?
I already have a PC. I play online games on it. I left single player to the playstation and switch. I currently no longer plan on getting a PS6. It's a PC with online paywall. If i go digital only, the PC makes more sense due to no online paywall and better game prices.
I imagine the switch 2 will gain popularity as the last console holding physical media. I got PS4 and PS5 at launch. I was preparing for the PS6 even with a higher price. Now that Sony spit on our face with greed, i choose to spit back. I don't need them. The IP i liked from them, they have skipped already. God of War was the only one left, but it's something i enjoy more than something i need. I can live without it. Actually, funnily enough, this means i will skip Laufy as well, which i was originally planning to get eventually.
Re: 'They Wait for This Storm to Pass': No Chance of Sony Walking Back Its Decision to Kill Discs, Warns Analyst
I know greed guides companies. But, you will see even if it looks good on the short term, it will not on the long term.
I am certain this will cost a lot of PS6 sales. Yes, it will sell out at release, but there is no chance it will sell as much as PS4 and PS5. More on the PS3 lines. That will be the real cost. Consoles sales lost, games sales lost, subs sold reduction, reputation lost. The hatred will be repeated constantly on every announcement they make. It will take many years for this to "storm to pass". Real damage to the brand is being done here.
I hope it will be worth it for them, cause it will be harder to regain the lost trust. Ask Xbox.
Re: Enjoying the World Cup? This Anime Soccer Game Looks Like a PS5 Must Play
@AdamNovice No, but there are no fouls unless the plot calls for it. 🤣
Re: Enjoying the World Cup? This Anime Soccer Game Looks Like a PS5 Must Play
Been excited for this one. I enjoyed the first.
Re: Legendary Dev id Software Allegedly Hit Extremely Hard by Xbox Layoffs
It truly is "Doom" for them.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Online's Future Looks Bleak as Dev 'Decimated' by Xbox Layoffs
I guess it makes some sense from MS's pov. They got WoW.
Still sucks for the players though.
Re: 50+ PS5, PS4 Games to Buy in PS Store's July Savings Sale (North America/Europe)
Not really in the mood right now.
Re: PS5 Fans Panic Over 'Lost Games' Clause, But There's More to the Story
You could've shown on the GDPR law where it says that.
I am not gonna read the whole thing. 😅
Re: Sony Already Retraining Staff at PS5 Game Disc Manufacturing Facility
@darylb24 In europe, we have a right to resell. A code in a box cannot be resold.
This was circunvented by the existance of disc copies.
You can see nintendo with gamekey cards as a way they used to circunvent it and they have the virtual key card system in place in case they want to open it. The structure is there.
Sony currently has not announced a way to circunvent it.
Re: Could Final Fantasy 7 Revelation Get as Many as 9 DLC Packs?
Yeah, it will be a bunch of pre-order dlc and maybe skins. I hope they don't do dlc jobs.
The story expansion is the interesting part.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Is 'Heavily Evaluating' Halo's Future Just Weeks Before Its PS5 Debut
Whatever. If they want to implode, go right ahead.
Re: 'You Will Own Nothing and Be Happy': PlayStation's YouTube Comments Are a Horror Show
I don't expect this will go away.
Re: Sony Already Retraining Staff at PS5 Game Disc Manufacturing Facility
@darylb24 No, because the codes can't be resold. It's why Nintendo made the game key cards. They can be resold.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
@Darff11
Games are a thing of the past. That isn't an argument. If there's demand and there clearly is, there is money to be made.
What Sony wants is a monopoly, cause they get the retailer cut as well. But, it's illegal in the EU and i don't think their greedy execs know it. They will need a solution or there will be lawsuits.
Re: Poll: $1,000 and No Disc Drive - Is PS6 Dead on Arrival?
No. It will sell out at launch like always. It's in long term sales that there will be problems.
Re: Sony's Been Planning All-Digital Future for 'Some Time', Unlikely to Reverse Decision on Game Discs
Well, i still say it's illegal in the EU cause that would be a monopoly and they will have to deal with lawsuits for "some time", until they come up with a way to allow other store fronts or the resell of digital licenses.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
@Darff11 And why not? Vinyl records are still made. People like collecting things.
There is a certain experience with physical goods that disappears and can't be replicated with a digital download.
Re: SEGA Expects 5 Million Sales from 'Flagship' Games Persona 4 Revival and Stranger Than Heaven
Oh... lifetime, yes. They may get it.
Unfortunely it's a pass for me. I got persona 3 reload and immediatly felt no incentive to continue the game. I think Persona loses a lot when you already know the story.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
Yeah, i'm starting to think about staying on PC and switch 2. Sony is crossing too many lines now and it's not like i am a huge fan of any of their current IP.
PS6 might be a pass for me.
Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine Remaster Is Heading for PS5 After a Year of Xbox Exclusivity
Didn't even know this existed. 😅
Re: Virtua Fighter Crossroads' Insane PS5 Production Values Bring All the Hype
I am conflicted about this one.
On one hand, sure, it looks cool.
On the other hand, this really doesn't feel like virtua fighter to me.
Re: Rumour: State of Decay 3 Dev Also Facing Xbox Axe, Just Weeks After Game Was Revealed for PS5
This is gonna be more than a bloodbath isn't it? It will be a massacre.
I wish all the best to these studios trying to survive.
Re: Sony Will Continue to Chase Live Service Dream, Despite Mostly Disastrous Execution to Date
@PuppetMaster So, the thing is, fighting games were already doing that before. The turbo, ultimate, super versions. It wasn't considered a live service back then.
Is it cause it's delivered online that makes it a live service? I dunno. Maybe it's the presence of micro transactions.
Btw, it's not necessry for the previous game to retire with the new one. A recent example is guild wars that is still supporting 1 and 2, despite 3 coming up.
It's more slippery than it looks to define a gaas game.
Re: PlayStation Boss Drops Biggest Hint Yet That PS6 Will Have a Portable Console
I'm expecting it. I think they want to compete in Japan again. It's the only way.
Re: Sony Will Continue to Chase Live Service Dream, Despite Mostly Disastrous Execution to Date
@PuppetMaster
I very much doubt SF6 will have more than 5 seasons. You can call them short term live services. The thing that distinguishes live services to me is that they are not planned to stop, they are ongoing indefinitly.
Re: Rumour: PS6 Costs Sony Almost $1,000 to Make Right Now
Hmm... the problem is it won't be 1k. It will be more than that.
I was preparing for it, but i just don't think it's justifiable.
Re: Sony Will Continue to Chase Live Service Dream, Despite Mostly Disastrous Execution to Date
It's not that live service games aren't huge, it's that the market is capped. It's very difficult for new games to break through when you got established ones where players already invested time and money and have years of content already.
It's not the case of making 10 and one will stick. It's the case of you needing to make something really good and really special to make players abandon years of investment, and that is extremely difficult.
Also, let's be honest, Playstation is terrible at this. It's not their strength and it's not what will sell playstations as these games need to release on multiple platforms to capture a big enough audience to not imediatly land on their faces.
Not only that but they did/do have one of these audiences with destiny and decided to throw it away, revealing ignorance of the model.
I also... don't think fighting games are actually live services, as they are not ongoing. They stop after a few years. But, some have been designed as them and imo it made them worse. Mortal Kombat being the most famous one. Coins, dailies, weeklies, grinds. It only made the games worse.
Re: Bungie Loses 292 Full-Time Staff in Heavy Round of Layoffs
@RedFlash475 So you say. I just said the general sentiment here is not a happy one about studios closing, no matter who they belonged to, so i don't know why you keep making up these elusive people you are very upset with.