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I don't know, forcing me to find a disc drive (and a stand) for my new "upgraded" console, while my "old and inferior" console came with both kinda feels like being nickeled and dimed, and I don't like it. The Pro is supposed to be a premium console, right? Well a premium console should come fully loaded, not barebones and good luck hunting down the accessories.

@Perturbator I feel the same way. Oblivion, 2 Fallouts, Dragon Age Origins, GTA IV off the top of my head, all just wasting away on the PS3, none are playable on PS4/5 other than cloud streaming, which is yeah no thanks. For some reason though it seems like they want to remake things from the middle of the PS4 gen, like come on guys 2017 wasn't even that long ago...

I wouldn't touch this with a 10ft pole, and I platinumed the PS4 version years ago. But after playing some of the Dark Pictures games (which were trash) there is no way I'm giving anyone anymore money for these games, especially a graphical upgrade / FPS downgrade, and not for a 6/10 game. Did this even need a remake/remaster or whatever it is technically? Who is greenlighting this crap?

I just want a new Rayman platformer, I can't be the only one.

@Blaze215 we've done this dance before, I'm still waiting for the "8K" that my PS5 box advertised lol

Perhaps the day will never come, but I'm waiting for a Pro with a disc drive. I refuse to play the scalping game trying to hunt one down now, and I'm not buying a PS console without one. Your move, Sony.

It's insanely frustrating that this turd is getting a sequel, considering the game itself is a reboot of the original turd they crapped out in 2014...we don't need a third one.

You don't need a private investigator to figure this one out, it obviously has to do with the fact that PlayStation outsells Xbox 3:1 and they want to maximize potential revenue. Not to mention the lack of GP means that people are actually buying games on the PS side as well.

I hope every scalper gets bunions, like really bad ones that you need surgery to correct. I'm going to speak it into existence. Enjoy your shoes never fitting right scalpers!

@get2sammyb You're got a brilliant idea there friend. Some combination of time played, trophies as well as a certain amount of PREVIOUS PURCHASES (games, DLC, etc) would pretty much solve the problem.

Yeah, not going to "settle down" over you trying to brute force subliminal marketing content on my console to shove down my throat in the comfort of my own home.

I'm glad it's not selling out, simply for the fact that scalpers will have to go get a real job instead of being able to victimize people with it. So in that sense, I see it as a good thing.

@Fiendish-Beaver You make an excellent point, I feel the same way.

It's almost as if Sony is saying "we've got too many people supporting us, how can we piss off our player base?" and have been making decisions the past month with that mindset. I haven't touched my PS5 in over 2 weeks, and I'm a guy who usually plays like 30-40 hours a week no BS. They're really alienating me right now though.

Yeah, sorry but it's definitely a joke at this point, just ask Concord...oh wait, too soon?

Can someone explain the benefit of pre-ordering? And I mean literally, like how does paying for a game months before it releases help you or better your life in any way? I'm genuinely curious.

I will never buy a console that doesn't include a disc drive by default.

Capitalism is terrorism, just in a different form.

Well, when you crap out "gems" like Skull & Bones, you can't blame people for running the next time you say your stomach hurts...

Banishers was good (I rented it from GameFly) but I ended up returning it before I finished it...it's decent, but after a while it just felt like I was doing the same thing over again, and the story wasn't engaging enough and the gameplay loop not fun enough to get me to carry on...it's a quality game, but definitely wait for sale type.

N64 is still the worst controller design I've ever seen for what it's worth

How the hell did they think Concord was the future of PlayStation?!?!? There were literally superior, extremely similar games available for FREE. Did nobody in the board room bother to figure out that 1+1=2? It's disgusting they spent that much chasing a trend basically. Man, I used to really love gaming but lately I don't know anymore...

So we will have games in 2025 still releasing on PS4. Tell me again how badly we need a mid-gen refresh Sony?

Anyone paying attention isn't surprised by this, Xbox never really recovered from the disaster that was the reveal of the XBone. Unfortunately for them, that was the gen where people established digital libraries in their respective ecosystems, making it VERY unlikely (and financially punitive) to "switch sides."

This is the last generation of Xbox consoles.

As critical as I have been of the Pro, I have to admit that bundle looks tempting DEPENDING ON THE PRICE. If it's $1100-1200 then they can piss off

Because it's less of a financial risk than a new IP is the short answer.

Makes it even more appalling that it's taken so long to get a follow up. I mean, we know it was because they were chasing the live-service gravy train, but still, it's frustrating as all hell.

@DennisReynolds I REALLY hope you're right

It's funny, after playing HZD in 2017 (and again after DLC) I felt like it was one of the best games of the PS4 gen. Forbidden West was quality, but kind of redundant, and unlike it's predecessor I have no urge to play it a 2nd time or check out the DLC. I guess I'm not the only player the franchise hasn't aged particularly well for. I could make a list of 10 potential future games I'd love to be able to play right now, and a new Horizon game wouldn't be on it.

People do realize that it's not just the price that has people feeling some type of way about this, right? The fact that half of new games are still being released on PS4 sends a pretty strong message, to me, that an upgrade is NOT NECESSARY. Which essentially renders the PS5 Pro as what, an idiot test? I don't care how inexpensive the machine would be, it's mere existence is what I find insulting.

Yeah, I'm passing on the 32X Pro, thanks.

At this point, the PS5 Pro could welcome me home, make me a drink and rub my feet and I still wouldn't be interested honestly.

This is why we have to wait decades for entries in single-player franchises. This is why everyone is trying to make a live-service, money-printing game.

I can't tell you all how to waste your money, but...

@Fiendish-Beaver what was the mid-gen refresh on the 360? I know the had the original fat, the S and the E, but they were the same hardware in each, nothing was upgraded as far I can recall.

Am I the only one getting old-school Sega flashbacks here? They just announced the PS5 Pro, and now suddenly there's rumors of the PS6? So that makes the Pro, what, a 32X basically? Why buy that when I can just wait for the Saturn!

Yes, I'm old.

I would have rather they used the time and resources to make a good Watch Dogs game honestly. I really enjoyed 2 but I was super disappointed by Legion.

You guys going on about how it's a great value because every game will be 60fps, you DO realize that there is no guarantee of 60fps on every game, right? Those are your EXPECTATIONS, not the reality. I mean the OG PS5 box says "8K" on it and we all know how laughable that is.

For me, it's not about the price point, it's about feeling gouged by a company that I have supported for decades. Those stands cost peanuts to produce and removing them from the package is indefensible. Not including the disc drive is another decision motivated by the desire to milk as much $$$ out of us as they can. For that, Sony can go to hell.

$550-600 with a disc drive and a stand would have probably gotten me after a year or so, even before I knew the price and what was missing I wasn't particularly excited for a PS5 Pro though so maybe, maybe not.

Xbox has released their last console, outside of Series X/S revisions we aren't going to see a "next-gen Xbox" or anything like that. If the PS5 Pro included a disc drive and a stand for $700, I wouldn't be angry at all. But removing those things, selling them for extra, and THEN selling the Pro for $700 is a dick move, and I hope it sells worse than that Rob & Fab CD those guys made after they got kicked out of Milli Vanilli or whatever.

Anyone curious about Road 96, it is excellent and well worth your time!

@nedbvai you probably should talk to a mental health professional about your need to feel superior over others, it's really not healthy. It's insane to me that I read a grown up say "I don't want everybody to have this" as if it affects you one bit whether 1 or 1 billion other people have the console. Whoever hurt you, I'm sorry mate, I really am.

I already thought it was unnecessary before I saw the price point, but now knowing the price AND that it ships without a disc drive, I've gone from general apathy to actually feeling some type of way towards Sony and thinking maybe it's time to cultivate a new hobby or two.

$700, and then I have to pony up an extra $100 for a disc drive. Sony can go to hell.

I think it's the wrong move honestly. How is Sony going to argue that the full potential of the PS5 has been realized, when they're still releasing a substantial amount of new games for PS4? I'm a diehard PlayStation fan, but I'm not going near a PS5 Pro, there's no point in my eyes.

Truthfully it was DOA the moment they decided to charge for it, when there were very similar, and superior, alternatives available for free.

First, whoever greenlit the name "Fairgame$" should be fired. Secondly, after the Concord disaster, nobody is going near this game. Not anyone paying attention at least.

The first is a solid foundation, with a quality reputation/faction system and some re-working of spell mechanics a bit, I think it could be really cool.

@riceNpea omg love the TPS-L2 reference!