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Gamers have known for decades how slimy EA are, yet very little has changed. The only language these corporations speak is capitalism. The fact that so few consumers actually put their money where their mouth is explains why companies behave the way they do. They don't think we're stupid...they know it.

Of the RPG-style titles, I loved Odyssey, enjoyed Shadows, bounced off of Origin, and by the time I finished Valhalla, I never wanted to see it again, and have never gone back to it. It was the bloated, live service elements that really killed it for me, though the gameplay felt sluggish and the story was pretty weak as well. Shadows though was a massive improvement over Valhalla IMO, though I know people like to dump on it for whatever reason. Odyssey was the peak of the series for me, no question.

After what EA tried to pull with the microtransactions in College Football 27's Dynasty mode, I'm not buying any EA Sports titles again for a long, long time. Crying online accomplishes literally nothing. If you don't like how these companies behave, the only option that will matter is not buying their products.

@Balaam_ "rightful platinum?" Get over yourself dude, it's impossible to take you seriously. You realize there are people in this world literally fighting, and dying, for human rights? And you're talking about your "rights" to platinum trophies?

Seeing all these dopes say how they're going to PC because now they can't collect physical objects anymore is bringing me way more entertainment than it should.

You people realize PC is digital too, right? Right?!

There's only one voice that Sony hears, and it's spelled S-H-A-R-E-H-O-L-D-E-R-S.

Sure they do. Let's see what happens once GTA VI comes out and FOMO hits the herd.

Well it sure doesn't appear that many of the people threatening to "quit" are following through with that, are they? I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

@ShadowRJ Sony has been silent because they have nothing more to say. They're not walking it back, and they don't need to explain it to any of us. Sony said what they had to say, just because you didn't like it doesn't mean they owe any further explanation. They're simply waiting for the people who are upset to tire themselves out, which they inevitably will.

Several good points raised. My priorities are digital ownership rights, being able to sell/rent/gift digital games, a proper refund policy and better discounts. I don't think Sony would ever consider a system of being able to get cash for digital games, but being able to surrender (for lack of a better term) the title for wallet funds would be acceptable to me. Being able to rent games would be hugely beneficial as well, though I believe Sony would fight back on that as well, fearing cannibalization of sales, and rightfully so.

@Balaam_ dude you're like a broken parrot that just regurgitates the same 2 or 3 phrases. You can repeat your nonsense ad nauseam, but it still won't make you right.

Also, PC gaming is digital, so...

Nothing for me in there, but hopefully other players get some enjoyment out of these games.

It's a damn shame that a game as good as Dragon Age: Origins is banished to PS3/Xbox 360 era consoles. That's still one of the most memorable games I've ever played. I couldn't tell you anything about the story or characters in Veilguard. You could offer me $5000 to name ONE companion from Veilguard, and I wouldn't be able to do it...and I platinumed the game.

It's so frustrating because all they need to do is return to what worked. The reason people still care about Dragon Age is almost entirely because of Origins, and the three games since could not have been more different. If they went back and did it right, from the start, and made a game in the same vein as Origins, it would be a massive hit. It's almost like because people rejected their generic slop, they're like "oh we can't make DA games any more" when really it's the fans saying "please stop making ***** DA games!"

But we all know they won't do it.

I'll let you kids in on a little secret...the actual number of people who follow through on this will be a fraction of the amount of people who clicked "YES!"

Indignant internet outrage is easy. Actually following through on something, not so much.

@DennisReynolds you make an excellent point, and one I've wondered silently about many, many times. Anybody getting THIS worked up about not being able to swap discs starting in 2028 must have an idyllic life with nothing substantial to actually worry about.

@ShadowRJ both aren't equal battles. One is about ownership, and the other is about sentimentality and nostalgia. They are not equal and should not be treated as such.

Told. You. So.

If even 33% of the keyboard warriors of late were actually, you know, backing up their words with actions, the sales data would not look like it does. This doesn't negate the pain of the vocal minority. But it's a damn small minority.

Physical media as a topic is such a red herring. Discs are going the way of the cassette tape you guys, no matter how much you pout and stomp your feet.

And I'm speaking like I'm annoyed, because I am, because all your pouting and foot stomping is taking focus off of what SHOULD be the main issue, which is digital content ownership rights.

And the overwhelming majority of those 17 million tried it for 30 minutes on Game Pass and never returned. Cool accomplishment!

This makes me think that there may be a studio assisting in the development of Fallout 5. We know Microsoft didn't like Bethesda announcing TES VI so early, so it's unlikely that they would turn around and announce Fallout 5 unless it's less than 5 years away. That, or MS is finally going to force Bethesda to get as big as they need to be.

@SMJ LOL listen to yourself, how is anybody supposed to take you seriously? For somebody who claims not to care about this port, you've commented in this thread more than anyone else has 🤣

TIL that The Talos Principle: Reawakened somehow doesn't have a platinum trophy, and that irrationally killed any desire to replay the game...after I'd downloaded it. Anti-consumer refund policy, activate!

Also, and I'm not sure how the following applies to the UK, but it certainly does in the USA; If a company's consumer base behaves like idiots, that company has a LEGAL obligation to it's shareholders to exploit that behavior to the maximum degree. Please, all of you, read that last part over again, as many times as is necessary, the next time you're about to pre-order a game. Pre-ordering is a relic of a long-bygone era, when physical copies would actually sell out at local stores, and there was no digital option. I don't (shouldn't?) need to emphasize to anyone that clearly it is not the world we live in anymore.

The TL;DR here is that some people who collect things are butthurt because now they'll have to collect other things. The core gaming experience does not change if it's a digital game or on a physical disc, and the reason I'm stating that is because some of you are talking in such hyperbole that one could be led to believe your gaming experience has been tainted and ruined forever. This part of the complaint is such a first-world problem that I can't even pretend to care about it.

I don't care at all about the physical media aspect of this. Times change, technology evolves, you need to deal with it. You can still consume the content, much more conveniently so if anything.

The digital rights ownership issue, on the other hand, IS actually a big deal and should be taken seriously. Unfortunately, the white knights that belong to the first group, many of whom have a library of digital games, are making it harder for the second issue to get the spotlight it deserves, due to all of their foot stomping and pouting.

I imagine that if you made a list of things that the world needs right now, ordered by importance, it would look something like this:

#13,765,234,984,212 - a sequel to Avowed

That sort of garbage has no place in single-player content, ever. The fact that they tried to sneak it in at the very last minute really shows you the character of the people you're dealing with. I'm done with the franchise regardless, but I'm glad they caved.

@Mythologue that statistic doesn't really prove anything, though. I bought a disc edition at launch, and my entire library is digital and has been since the PS4 era began. So console sales with disc drives does not even guarantee one physical game sale necessarily.

PC has been almost completely digital since Shaquille O'Neal was playing...for the Lakers. People talk big, and get bent out of shape online, but the truth is the overwhelming majority of the people who responded that they're switching aren't going anywhere, and Sony knows that.

It's such a Microsoft move for Asha Sharma to publicly say they're going all-in on TES and Fallout, only to turn around and lay off a significant amount of people working on TES VI. I find that totally believable given their track record.

@naruball you had a point? I just thought you were being snarky and antagonistic. My bad I guess.

@RomanRiz hey I'm glad at least somebody is having fun with it!

@Dogbreath I like your name, and your takes. You're spot on.

I work with several guys in their 20's on my team, and none of them are gamers, and none of them were even aware of Sony announcing the end of support for physical games starting in 2028. It was news to all of them. So it's not like this a mainstream backlash or anything close to it. The truth is, 75% of you threatening to leave PlayStation over this won't, and Sony knows this.

I don't even trust the clowns that are putting on this circus anymore, and I couldn't care less when it launches. Until meaningful change takes place at BGS, I doubt my stance will soften.

The cancellation of an Avowed sequel is addition by subtraction. Avowed is one of the rare games where I just quit midway through because I didn't care about the story, or the characters, and the gameplay was generic and uninteresting. And for context, I put over 90 hours into Forspoken and platinumed Biomutant twice, so it's not like I have impossibly high standards or anything.

Hopefully Obsidian can deliver an experience similar to the quality of Fallout: New Vegas.

PC gaming has been almost completely digital since George W. Bush was President of the U.S. I'm not sure all of poll respondents understand that.

@naruball CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays and Vinyl are all niche markets in 2026, and I think you know that.

Just pointing out again, that if all of this online outrage was matched in reality by people ACTUALLY buying physical games, we would not be in this situation in the first place. A lot of you who are losing your mind have fully digital libraries, and if that describes you, your outrage is completely disingenuous and performative. Vote with your wallets, it's the only language the people in power speak.

VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET FOLKS

The only language these people speak is money. Big talk online combined with zero action will result in things staying exactly the same, but the adults in the room have known that already for a long time.

I've tried to play ESO many times, and each time it just makes me want to play Oblivion or Skyrim instead. The online aspect completely ruins what makes TES games special.

I hope those affected find new situations soon.

I also hope those remaining at Obsidian start making above average games again. They're still living off the reputation of Fallout: New Vegas over there. The Outer Worlds 2 was fun, but when I played it at the beginning of the year the platinum was unobtainable because of a bug, and now months removed from finishing it, I can't tell you anything about the story or who any of the companions were. Avowed was about as garden variety as it gets, that is one of the most disappointing games I can remember in recent memory, for me personally.

It's worth pointing out that if the amount of outrage online directly correlated to physical game sales, we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. Anybody with an exclusively digital library the past generation(s) better not be saying a f'ing word is all I'm trying to say.

I'm sorry for everyone that lost their jobs.

That said, I am happy that the adults in the room have finally spoken up at Bethesda and directed them to start working on things that, you know, people actually want.

Sony currently reminds me of Microsoft in 2013. There's nothing that would get me to buy a PS6 right now.

Better than last month, but I doubt I'll actually get around to playing any of them. CrossCode and For the King II both look solid though.

People on here lamenting that they "only have 1 month to buy stuff" need to remember that they've had THE PAST 20 YEARS (or however long the digital store has existed) TO "BUY STUFF" and if it was THAT important, it would have been purchased by now. Just saying.

What's to prevent Sony from jacking up digital prices once there's no more physical options on the table?

When I finally finish Crimson Desert some time in 2028, I may give Black Desert a chance.

If I was Sony right now, I would take a good hard look into how much I've sunk into the PS6 up to this point and I would strongly consider just scrapping it. Nobody, and I mean freaking NOBODY is clamoring for a PS6 right now. A large portion of the gaming fan base feels that the generation has barely gotten started and/or been severely underutilized. Powering through and releasing it in 2027 with it's current specs would be suicide and probably be barely better received than the XBone circa 2013.