@Oram77 if Dreams had taken off, it'd probably have had copyright concerns to deal with, but most companies (aside from possibly Nintendo) usually leave niche stuff alone.
@Netret0120 not always nowadays. The time splitters trilogy used to regularly appear at £1.99 each on sale, but that's been bumped up to £3.99. there's probably other examples.
What is the benefit of a call of duty launcher? Seems a strange setup to an outsider, are all the games linked in some way? And why did mw3 get kicked out lol. Guess I need to look up some cod lore.
@graymamba Xbox has always had association with more western games, first person shooters mostly. Jrpg players have never had a big reason to get involved. To their credit, Xbox do seem to be aware of this and try to change it sometimes, but I don't know how much progress they make.
I'm willing to bet it's one of the most played games on ps plus, regardless of how many copies it's sold. It's another level popular compared to most games, even new generations play it.
On paper, it's a lot of stuff for the price. But I seriously doubt most people will ever use it all. The Fortnite bit seems especially unusual, it's probably making a lot of the price increase, yet who is it going to appeal to? Fortnite enthusiasts (from my experience) play little else other than Fortnite.
I've been obsessed with lord of the rings online lately, on pc obviously. Easily the best middle earth game experience out there in my opinion, though the dated mechanics may put some off.
@adge_uk it's strange that powerdrift never seems to appear in anything. I think years ago it was considered too difficult to port, there was a (really bad) attempt on the Saturn but that's the last I ever heard from it.
@LogicStrikesAgain if technology really has reached a point where it can't get cheaper, I would assume we could be with this gen of consoles for a long time to come. Asking say £900 for a ps6 is probably just going to be too much for the mass market.
I suppose more power would keep the frame rate and resolution obsessives happy, but it's not going to change up the actual gameplay at this point. We are long past the days of programmers not being able to make their worlds/dialogue as big as they'd like because of memory restrictions.
@Stevemalkpus I actually liked blasto back then, played it for hours. I didn't get that far in though, it was ridiculously hard. I want to say level 4? Can't remember lol.
Turn based RPGs have always been my favourite. Always bugged me that action RPGs are considered a natural evolution, they are just a different way to play a game. I'm not against action games, indeed I enjoy some, but I also enjoy turn based. Turn based gives you time to think, gives you more options than you could possibly process in real time. Chess is still huge.
Racing games are hard to judge on tbh. I assume fans of them like playing real world cars, so the licences can't be helped. The crew was different obviously, I'm glad people are standing up to that nonsense before it becomes normal.
No idea how it would hold up now, but infamous 1 and 2 are some of my fondest memories of PS3, it's surprising that they haven't reappeared in some form. Kinda tempted to fire up the PS3 and play it right now lol.
Probably would've got a lot more attention if it had been integrated into the playstation system rather than having to go through your phone. I mean I was interested in the concept, but never really got interest it because of that.
@Rich33 there's definitely two disc holders, baldur's gate has one, and I think the last of us 2 ( well the PS4 one, don't know about ps5) Other compilations have even given each game it's own box, a tales of trilogy, bioshock trilogy came with two boxes on PS4. Just saying that it would certainly be possible, maybe a little more expensive to produce, but I doubt physical collectors would mind paying an extra fiver to get it. They've demonstrated that they are prepared to pay a bit more if the whole thing is on disc.
I quite like picross, but the last time I searched the PSN store I couldn't find any, I assumed Nintendo had some sort of copyright on it. That was quite a while ago though.
I've been one of the many arguing that game pass is unsustainable for years, but I don't think it's the main reason for Microsoft's cutting. They bought too much, grew too fast, plenty of other companies have made the same mistake. Every company you buy out is more costs and employees to look after, more things to manage.
Eh, I don't know. I think the original 'gamers' gave up on call of duty years ago, it's casual mainstream nowadays. I'm not surprised it's going down the fortnite road.
Very fond memories of this game, I'll be getting it. Though co-op multiplayer? More features are always welcome but the story doesn't seem that suited to it from my memory. It was all about being alone in space.
It started off very underwhelming, but they massively improved it towards the end of the ps3's life. I still remember people who had bought Arkham city complaining that it had been put on plus too quickly lol.
I do wish cloud saves weren't linked to it though, I feel that's a bit stingy on Sony, I doubt many subscribe just for that.
Edit: I massively prefer the claim and 'keep' forever model to the game pass/extra one. It feels like you are getting better value for money to me.
@Titntin I remember reading years ago that PS3 streaming is from a warehouse of literally real ps3s, or at least their insides. I guess if that's still the case then they can only have so many at once.
@Jswift56 there's only three on the other versions too. As for it being dropped, whether people personally like it or not, it is still considered vr's poster seller. Sony really should be trying to convince them to keep supporting it. Fund it themselves if they have to.
@Matroska actually the 360 did very well in the first half of that generation, mainly down to being significantly cheaper. The PS3 caught up in the second half, after significant price cuts, and a seemingly unending supply of great games.
Great game, possibly even my favourite of the 3 'modern' personas, but I've personally played through golden far too recently to be interested in this any time soon I think. I'm ready for persona 6.
Collectors box and game bundle £249.99 lol. That said, it'll probably resell even higher one day, can't really blame square for wanting a bigger slice of the insane prices these things sometimes reach. I think most the people who buy them are viewing them as financial investments at that price.
This game has got a strange advertising campaign, 4 people are playing the game, and one (the same one in every ad) keeps dying in a variety of ways. I thought it was a mobile game ad until I noticed the name.
@FinneasGH larger stores normally have similar discounts too during days of play. I'm in the UK, and normally check out Argos during it, which a lot of others apparently do too as lots of it is usually sold out.
Outselling the original is impressive I will admit. It's not like the original was unknown, it was a pretty big deal (at least in pc circles) back then. I guess RPGs are growing in popularity.
I think it is silly to compare prices of the past, there are so many variables. Especially considering RRP prices are being compared. There really weren't that many people paying 59.99 for games back in the 80s/90s. As a kid back then, I used to make do with 1.99 spectrum games. The value is decided by here and now. Id guess at a very basic level, cost to make it divided by the size of the audience who wants to buy it. That's why going mainstream, growth, has kept the price pretty stagnant the last few years, despite inflating costs to produce. Id guess to push to make them more expensive is because the audience is not growing any more.
I'd usually give anything persona related a go, but after foolishly incinerating far too much money on a gacha game early last year I will never be touching another one again. And I was old and 'wise' enough to know better, they can get anyone.
@ppitchfork yeah you do still get most the benefits of physical, resell, can still lend to friends, can play it on different accounts, still have the game if you lose your account for some reason. I guess for the very forward thinking it may be useless in the distant future when/if the servers have retired.
@Yrven that is possible. Physical copies can only sell however many have been produced. It's the reason we sometimes see games appear at number 1, then disappear altogether the next week because there aren't any copies left for sell anywhere.
@ButterySmooth30FPS there was a bit of a drought during the PS3 era, at least from what I remember, but it's come back strong since. Well, apart from it's once poster child abandoning it...
@Balaam_ ha yes I'd have never platinumed disgaea 4 back on PS3 without my physical copy to fall back on when they patched out the duplication bug. And even with it it took me weeks. Lord knows how anyone managed it with the patched version.
7 billion for the games market seems surprisingly low to me.that seems by my basic calculations about £100 a year per person on average. I'm certainly doing a lot of the heavy lifting myself if that is the case.
Postage on top if you don't in the US. That and you'll be waiting a while. Apparently the game itself will come quite quick but the rest of it is the usual long wait.
@wildcat_kickz I'm not so sure about that, I've seen sack boy merchandise, toys etc pop up in people's houses a lot over the years, I think he had a bigger mainstream impact than he's getting credit for.
@Shinnok789 I suspect this current generation is going to last a lot longer than usual. The days of technology getting better and cheaper rapidly seem to be over, at least for now.
Rpg fans are probably one of the biggest defenders of physical left. I know that from experience, if you don't preorder a rpg or grab one fast then you can be in for a wait. They have reasons other than nostalgia or collecting too, rpg's tend to hold their financial value, they age better. Each one has its own unique gameplay and story that doesn't get devalued by the next one.
@PlatinumMikey we can only hope about final fantasy. I'd love to see an attempt at making a modern turn based one. Square have put out plenty of other turn based games on recent years, maybe it'll happen one day.
@Lysterao I've got idea how much money gamepass is making, but I don't think they could 'just stop' even if they wanted to at this point. The Xbox brand is too deeply associated with it now. They'd probably need a completely new console rebrand to abandon it now.
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Re: Someone Made Banjo-Kazooie in Dreams on PS5, PS4, and You've Got to See It
@Oram77 if Dreams had taken off, it'd probably have had copyright concerns to deal with, but most companies (aside from possibly Nintendo) usually leave niche stuff alone.
Re: Almost 5,000 PS5, PS4 Games Discounted on Cyber Monday in Gargantuan PS Store Sale
@Netret0120 not always nowadays. The time splitters trilogy used to regularly appear at £1.99 each on sale, but that's been bumped up to £3.99. there's probably other examples.
Re: Call of Duty Continues to Handle PS5 Trophies in the Worst Way Possible
What is the benefit of a call of duty launcher? Seems a strange setup to an outsider, are all the games linked in some way? And why did mw3 get kicked out lol. Guess I need to look up some cod lore.
Re: The UK Government Shoots Down 'Stop Killing Games' Campaign in Official Debate
@ryanburnsred the government's stance honestly sounds like it's been written by EA or Ubisoft.
Re: Don't Expect Any PS5 Exclusives from Square Enix in the Future
@graymamba Xbox has always had association with more western games, first person shooters mostly. Jrpg players have never had a big reason to get involved. To their credit, Xbox do seem to be aware of this and try to change it sometimes, but I don't know how much progress they make.
Re: First PS Plus Extra Game for November 2025 Leaked
I'm willing to bet it's one of the most played games on ps plus, regardless of how many copies it's sold. It's another level popular compared to most games, even new generations play it.
Re: Capcom Refuses to Back Down on Crazy Street Fighter 6 Pay-Per-View Plan
@KidRisky Not sure if not being interested counts as a boycott 🤔.
Re: Peter Molyneux Very Nearly Became a First-Party PlayStation Dev
For all the flak this guy gets, he was involved in so many great games back then.
Re: PS Plus Looks Better Than Ever After New Xbox Game Pass Price Rises
On paper, it's a lot of stuff for the price. But I seriously doubt most people will ever use it all. The Fortnite bit seems especially unusual, it's probably making a lot of the price increase, yet who is it going to appeal to? Fortnite enthusiasts (from my experience) play little else other than Fortnite.
Re: Rumour: The Lord of the Rings Is Getting a Game to 'Compete with Hogwarts Legacy'
I've been obsessed with lord of the rings online lately, on pc obviously. Easily the best middle earth game experience out there in my opinion, though the dated mechanics may put some off.
Re: SEGA Trademarks Arcade Paradise Potentially Hinting at Compilation Bundle
@adge_uk it's strange that powerdrift never seems to appear in anything. I think years ago it was considered too difficult to port, there was a (really bad) attempt on the Saturn but that's the last I ever heard from it.
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
@LogicStrikesAgain if technology really has reached a point where it can't get cheaper, I would assume we could be with this gen of consoles for a long time to come. Asking say £900 for a ps6 is probably just going to be too much for the mass market.
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
I suppose more power would keep the frame rate and resolution obsessives happy, but it's not going to change up the actual gameplay at this point. We are long past the days of programmers not being able to make their worlds/dialogue as big as they'd like because of memory restrictions.
Re: Make Up Your Own Mind About Critically Panned PS1 Platformer Bubsy 3D from 9th September on PS5
@Stevemalkpus I actually liked blasto back then, played it for hours. I didn't get that far in though, it was ridiculously hard. I want to say level 4? Can't remember lol.
Re: Clair Obscur Director Says Turn-Based JRPGs Are Still Seen as 'Uncool'
Turn based RPGs have always been my favourite. Always bugged me that action RPGs are considered a natural evolution, they are just a different way to play a game.
I'm not against action games, indeed I enjoy some, but I also enjoy turn based. Turn based gives you time to think, gives you more options than you could possibly process in real time.
Chess is still huge.
Re: PS4 Racer Project CARS 3 Is Being Delisted and Going Offline
Racing games are hard to judge on tbh. I assume fans of them like playing real world cars, so the licences can't be helped.
The crew was different obviously, I'm glad people are standing up to that nonsense before it becomes normal.
Re: Xbox U-Turn the First Step Towards Gamers Rejecting $80 Games
Who's buying a switch 2 and Mario kart separately? The bundle is much cheaper, that's a little confusing.
Re: Sucker Punch Would 'Love' an inFAMOUS Trilogy on PS5
No idea how it would hold up now, but infamous 1 and 2 are some of my fondest memories of PS3, it's surprising that they haven't reappeared in some form.
Kinda tempted to fire up the PS3 and play it right now lol.
Re: PS Stars Program Marks Its Eventual Shut Down with One Final Collectible
Probably would've got a lot more attention if it had been integrated into the playstation system rather than having to go through your phone. I mean I was interested in the concept, but never really got interest it because of that.
Re: Physical Purists Won't Be Pleased by New Life Is Strange PS5 Collection
@Rich33 there's definitely two disc holders, baldur's gate has one, and I think the last of us 2 ( well the PS4 one, don't know about ps5)
Other compilations have even given each game it's own box, a tales of trilogy, bioshock trilogy came with two boxes on PS4.
Just saying that it would certainly be possible, maybe a little more expensive to produce, but I doubt physical collectors would mind paying an extra fiver to get it. They've demonstrated that they are prepared to pay a bit more if the whole thing is on disc.
Re: PS5, PS4 Finally Gets More Picross, with a Hatsune Miku Flavour
I quite like picross, but the last time I searched the PSN store I couldn't find any, I assumed Nintendo had some sort of copyright on it. That was quite a while ago though.
Re: Mini Review: System Shock 2: 25th Anniversary Remaster (PS5) - Cult Classic Returns, Cybernetically Enhanced
I was expecting comments about the game's age, but having a bash at the soundtrack, definitely wasn't expecting that lol.
Re: 'I Much Prefer PS Plus' Lifecycle Management Strategy': Devs Weigh in on Xbox Game Pass Impact
I've been one of the many arguing that game pass is unsustainable for years, but I don't think it's the main reason for Microsoft's cutting. They bought too much, grew too fast, plenty of other companies have made the same mistake. Every company you buy out is more costs and employees to look after, more things to manage.
Re: What the Hell Has Happened to Call of Duty?
Eh, I don't know. I think the original 'gamers' gave up on call of duty years ago, it's casual mainstream nowadays. I'm not surprised it's going down the fortnite road.
Re: The Delayed System Shock 2 Remaster Locks Down Its July Release Date on PS5, PS4
Very fond memories of this game, I'll be getting it.
Though co-op multiplayer? More features are always welcome but the story doesn't seem that suited to it from my memory. It was all about being alone in space.
Re: Poll: 15 Years of PS Plus - What Do You Think of Sony's Subscription Service?
It started off very underwhelming, but they massively improved it towards the end of the ps3's life. I still remember people who had bought Arkham city complaining that it had been put on plus too quickly lol.
I do wish cloud saves weren't linked to it though, I feel that's a bit stingy on Sony, I doubt many subscribe just for that.
Edit: I massively prefer the claim and 'keep' forever model to the game pass/extra one. It feels like you are getting better value for money to me.
Re: Sony Hasn't Given Up on Adding More PS3 Games to PS Plus Yet
@Titntin I remember reading years ago that PS3 streaming is from a warehouse of literally real ps3s, or at least their insides. I guess if that's still the case then they can only have so many at once.
Re: PSVR2 to Lose the Support of Its Best Game This Month
@Jswift56 there's only three on the other versions too.
As for it being dropped, whether people personally like it or not, it is still considered vr's poster seller. Sony really should be trying to convince them to keep supporting it. Fund it themselves if they have to.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
@Matroska actually the 360 did very well in the first half of that generation, mainly down to being significantly cheaper. The PS3 caught up in the second half, after significant price cuts, and a seemingly unending supply of great games.
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
@GloriosaDaisy Kanji and Naoto actually being in the story makes it pretty progressive by jrpg standards to be fair.
Re: New Report Pegs Rumoured Persona 4 Remake for Imminent Xbox Showcase
Great game, possibly even my favourite of the 3 'modern' personas, but I've personally played through golden far too recently to be interested in this any time soon I think.
I'm ready for persona 6.
Re: Final Fantasy Tactics Remaster's Expensive Collector's Box Doesn't Include the Game
Collectors box and game bundle £249.99 lol.
That said, it'll probably resell even higher one day, can't really blame square for wanting a bigger slice of the insane prices these things sometimes reach.
I think most the people who buy them are viewing them as financial investments at that price.
Re: Fantasy Life i: The Girl Who Steals Time (PS5) - Level-5 Returns with Its Most Addictive RPG Yet
This game has got a strange advertising campaign, 4 people are playing the game, and one (the same one in every ad) keeps dying in a variety of ways. I thought it was a mobile game ad until I noticed the name.
Re: Arcade Archives 2 Receives a Big Price Hike with Ridge Racer on PS5
Iconic game, especially for playstation fans, but that does seem a bit high if you remove the nostalgia. Modern day racers can be found cheaper lol.
Re: Sony's Huge Days of Play Sale on PS5 Consoles, Games, PS Plus Subs Starts Next Week
@FinneasGH larger stores normally have similar discounts too during days of play. I'm in the UK, and normally check out Argos during it, which a lot of others apparently do too as lots of it is usually sold out.
Re: Oblivion Remastered Sales Prove the Power of Nostalgia and Shadow Drops
Outselling the original is impressive I will admit. It's not like the original was unknown, it was a pretty big deal (at least in pc circles) back then. I guess RPGs are growing in popularity.
Re: Beloved Ex-PlayStation Boss Believes $70, $80 Games Are a Steal
I think it is silly to compare prices of the past, there are so many variables. Especially considering RRP prices are being compared. There really weren't that many people paying 59.99 for games back in the 80s/90s. As a kid back then, I used to make do with 1.99 spectrum games.
The value is decided by here and now. Id guess at a very basic level, cost to make it divided by the size of the audience who wants to buy it. That's why going mainstream, growth, has kept the price pretty stagnant the last few years, despite inflating costs to produce. Id guess to push to make them more expensive is because the audience is not growing any more.
Re: Gacha Spin-Off Persona 5: The Phantom X Skips PS5 for Worldwide Launch
I'd usually give anything persona related a go, but after foolishly incinerating far too much money on a gacha game early last year I will never be touching another one again. And I was old and 'wise' enough to know better, they can get anyone.
Re: Reaction: Game Key PS5 Discs Are a Disgrace, and Sony Should Put a Stop to Them
@ppitchfork yeah you do still get most the benefits of physical, resell, can still lend to friends, can play it on different accounts, still have the game if you lose your account for some reason.
I guess for the very forward thinking it may be useless in the distant future when/if the servers have retired.
Re: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Struggles for Sales in Japan, Despite JRPG Inspirations
@Yrven that is possible. Physical copies can only sell however many have been produced. It's the reason we sometimes see games appear at number 1, then disappear altogether the next week because there aren't any copies left for sell anywhere.
Re: Expedition 33 Update Now Available on PS5, Nerfs Maelle's Broken Attack and More
@ButterySmooth30FPS there was a bit of a drought during the PS3 era, at least from what I remember, but it's come back strong since. Well, apart from it's once poster child abandoning it...
Re: You Don't Have Much Time Left to Take Advantage of Expedition 33's Strongest Attack
@Balaam_ ha yes I'd have never platinumed disgaea 4 back on PS3 without my physical copy to fall back on when they patched out the duplication bug. And even with it it took me weeks. Lord knows how anyone managed it with the patched version.
Re: Physical Game Sales See Dramatic Drop-Off in UK as Console Market Struggles
7 billion for the games market seems surprisingly low to me.that seems by my basic calculations about £100 a year per person on average. I'm certainly doing a lot of the heavy lifting myself if that is the case.
Re: Even Remastered PS2 Games Are Getting $250 Collector's Editions These Days
Postage on top if you don't in the US. That and you'll be waiting a while. Apparently the game itself will come quite quick but the rest of it is the usual long wait.
Re: LittleBigPlanet Erasure Continues as Sackboy Removed from PlayStation Productions Logo
@wildcat_kickz I'm not so sure about that, I've seen sack boy merchandise, toys etc pop up in people's houses a lot over the years, I think he had a bigger mainstream impact than he's getting credit for.
Re: PS5 Pro Is No Longer the Most Expensive Console You Can Buy
@Shinnok789 I suspect this current generation is going to last a lot longer than usual. The days of technology getting better and cheaper rapidly seem to be over, at least for now.
Re: Expedition 33 Dev Working Around the Clock to Re-Stock Boxed PS5 Copies
Rpg fans are probably one of the biggest defenders of physical left. I know that from experience, if you don't preorder a rpg or grab one fast then you can be in for a wait.
They have reasons other than nostalgia or collecting too, rpg's tend to hold their financial value, they age better. Each one has its own unique gameplay and story that doesn't get devalued by the next one.
Re: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Doubles Its Sales, Now Sold 1 Million Units
@PlatinumMikey we can only hope about final fantasy. I'd love to see an attempt at making a modern turn based one.
Square have put out plenty of other turn based games on recent years, maybe it'll happen one day.
Re: DOOM: The Dark Ages Reveals Cosmic Realm, a Lovecraftian Area with New Weapons, Enemies
@Lysterao I've got idea how much money gamepass is making, but I don't think they could 'just stop' even if they wanted to at this point. The Xbox brand is too deeply associated with it now. They'd probably need a completely new console rebrand to abandon it now.
Re: Bethesda Shows Solidarity with Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 After Oblivion Remastered Launch
@B0udoir RPGs underestimating physical demand is pretty common, rpg fans still mostly try to get a physical copy if they can I think.