
Sony may delay the PS6 until as late as 2029, and PlayStation power users are partying all over social media.
Maybe I’m increasingly out of touch, but honestly I find it a bemusing state of affairs.
Should this all come to pass, it would make the PS5 era the longest PlayStation generation by some margin. And yet, instead of disappointment, I feel like many fans seem delighted. Some are even arguing the organisation should wait until 2030 or beyond!
What is this all about?
Sure, there’s an increasing sentiment that PS5 hasn’t lived up to expectations. No one can deny dev cycles are longer than ever and cross-gen releases have undoubtedly blurred the generational divides. I totally get it – the leaps aren’t as dramatic as they once were, like from the PS1 to the PS2.

But let’s not rewrite history here. I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times. The generational jump still exists – it’s just evolutionary rather than revolutionary at this point in time.
Look, even I’ll admit we’ve hit diminishing returns. Console upgrades more closely resemble smartphones these days: they’re becoming more iterative and a lot less transformative overall. But iteration doesn’t mean meaningless. Smaller, quieter, more powerful hardware absolutely still has its place in the market.
More importantly, here’s the part I really struggle to understand: if you don’t want a PS6 at launch, then you’re not obligated to buy one.
In this era of cross-gen software, you’ll be able to sit comfortably on your PS5 for years. If the PS6 launches in 2027 and you’re not ready until 2030, then you won’t be forced to act until you want to. The upgrade path is completely optional – it always has been.

So, why champion a supposed delay?
Bloomberg’s reporting suggests any setback would be considered a “major upset” internally, driven by AI-induced RAM scarcity – not some supposed shift away from generational progress.
This doesn’t sound like an instance of Sony responding to robust consumer sentiment – it’s seemingly acting out of necessity, reacting to market conditions it simply can’t control.
And it’s not like any of this is going to correct the criticisms aimed at the PS5: the platform holder’s still going to port its first-party exclusives to the PC, and Naughty Dog’s still going to take anywhere up to a half-decade to ship a new game.
But it’s all going to come at the cost of lost momentum, because it’s hard to imagine the PS5 being anything but long in the tooth several years from now.
New generations – iterative or not – reset the conversation and spark enthusiasm. They push developers forward, even if it’s only gradual. And without that cadence, I think there’s a very real risk of the ecosystem drifting into stagnation.
Look, if we’re all still playing on our launch PS5s in 2029, I’ll deal with it. But I find the celebration, particularly from PlayStation power users, to be a bit baffling. I don’t think an industry built on forward momentum should necessarily be cheering standing still.
Are you one of those celebrating the speculation about a PS6 delay? What is the reason behind your enthusiasm, and how do you think it’s going to benefit PlayStation as a whole? Let us know in the comments section below.





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@get2sammyb " I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times. "
My SSD-equipped PS4 Pro is still playing rather well thanks, Sammy!
I'll keep an eye on the PS6 when it breaks cover. I will not be buying one for FOMO like I did with the PS5, that's for sure!
Hopefully it'll be better looking (can't be much worse, can it?), have a much better UI, better more comfortable controllers and will have some decent exclusives plus the extra grunt to run PS1/PS2/PS3 games natively. Unfortunately with the current incumbents of Sony/PS, they'll only do something like the latter if they can work out a way to fleece their subscribers.
Well considering the PS5 still hasn't maxed out yet, it's not bad news
I want PS5 games which are developed with focus on this platform. I don’t want a cross-gen period with PS5 games running with 30 fps and poor image quality because „you have the option for great looking 60 fps with PS6“, at least not until 2029.
And games like Soros just look good enough to me. Who needs path-tracing?
I just don't want to have to buy a whole new console to play a specific game. The longer I don't have to spend a load of money on a new machine, the better
Personally, I want it in 2027. But I have never thought it would launch before 2028 - 4 years from PS5 Pro.
A delay beyond 2028 may be problematic based on the rumoured power difference between PS5 Pro and PS6, which is not as big as I hoped it would be.
Just a thought - why should RAM prices delay it? If they could release at £700 in 2029 (for example), just release at £850 in 2028, and reduce in 2029. Even if they were very clear that is what they were doing, it would still sell!
I still play my ps3 let alone my ps4… diminishing returns means that my ps5 pro won’t be massively different to what my eventual ps6 will deliver… at least at the start of the gen.
Honestly, i bought my PS5 in early 2021, and it feels like i have it for bearly a year. Needs way more exclusive titles, just feels like a more powerfull PS4 with nothing really noteworthy. I could not care less about a new hardware right now, I just want exclusive games that I wont be able to play anywhere else.
Probably because a lot of people feel this has been one the most disappointing generations. Its been full of remakes sequels and remasters. The cross gen went on to long it feels only in the last year we have PS5 only games. I dont think there has been a game this year that has used the PS5 to its full potential. I do feel a PS6 will be such a minimal improvement on what we have now.
Isn't this just all down to cost , in the current financial climate if released in 2027 ,wouldnt the ps6 cost over a grand
Well I DO feel like the powers of the PS5 have not really been taken advantage of enough. They're more being used to allow less optimized games from lazier devs to still run somewhat okay.
Nevertheless I'd buy the next console in a heartbeat.
For me it all comes down to the lack of first party output. So, I have little interest in a new system.
Hell, Insomniac has carried this gen for PlayStation.
The PS5 still has it's share of creaky 30fps games even now.
I think with the current cost of living situation people are just not that enthusiastic about having to save up £700 to £800 (being realistic) for a new console right now, so if that expense can be kicked a few years down the road so much the better.
I think the biggest issue with the delay, is that potentially, we will be getting 2027s tech released in 2029 or beyond. Probabilities are that the components and architecture is already locked down tight, and will not be changed no matter when the console releases, so in reality, if you want to experience the tech when it shines the brightest, you want it to release at the earliest opportunity. 2027s tech will look somewhat older in 2030 when compared to the latest tech available at that time.
If Sony were going to change the components within the PS6 in 2029 to be the best available at that time, then fine, the delay may benefit us, but the truth is that they won't. Sony have already determined what they will use, and that is what we will get no matter when it releases.
The other thing to consider is that if the PS7 comes out 7 years after the release of the PS6, and the PS6 comes out in 2030, then we will still be using tech available now (which will already be slightly out of date even if it were to release this year!), some 11 or 12 years after it was at its best!
Plus, at the end of the day, if you don't want to upgrade in 2027, then you do not have to. Indeed, you do not have to upgrade at all. It's entirely optional...
@bindiana I really cant see the ps6 being much different , in 2050 we may have consoles with AI chips installed, you speak a series of prompts of the type of game you want to play, and there it is , its the future 😁
PS5 has literally only started sprinting at this point, make the jump to PS6 extremely meaningful.
You talk of losing momentum I would argue the momentum is more related to cranking out good games, not a new, underwhelming upgrade for a console. I think we are well past NEEDING games to be these graphical powerhouses when we have so many indies that have upended peoples expectations. If we were talking about the PS2 from the PS1, back when we had much more noticeable upgrades, then I'd agree more. The differences are just not worth it today though. We need much more time to see more of a legit upgrade, but as long as the games remain the draw we will be fine.
Monster hunter world plays well still. As does horizon zero dawn ( to name 2) on ps4
Why would people be excited to spend potentially £6-800 ? For what is going to be a smaller technological leap? Probably an increase in game prices and subscription too?
Ps5 works well. And considering that we still get ps4/xbone games released, where’s the rush?
"Maybe I'll increasingly out of touch" - I do agree with this bit Sammy
I don't think many people are "championing" the delay of a next gen, it's just that they/we don't want/need it at this time
To me it's irrelevant how crusty and old the PS4 may seem now when the PS5 is still more than adequate for what it does right now
It's unnecessary right now, it will cost way too much for small gains.
And times are tough for alot of people in the west and East.
There's still a lot to be done with the PS5...and at cheaper price point
What's the point of a ps6 coming out any time soon? Games looking and playing slightly better? They already look and play great, imo.
Now, if that includes a handheld, I'd buy that tomorrow. But a slightly better ps5 doesn't seem worth it to me.
2030 feels like a good date for me personally. The ps5 feels like it's only now starting to get a bit of an identity library wise, which is a shame as the console itself is great.
A ps6 in 2027 or something would likely cement the ps5 as playstations worst home console. At least in my opinion.
@illegalmonkey indies are more about gameplay and ideas , where as AAA are pretty pretties , why cant we have both , indies are fine but most of them look like dogshit
@Cambrius which? I don't think ive played a single AAA this gen that's stuck at 30 FPS
@McBurn
The PS5's power is being used, but squandered by some devs, is what you are saying? - I agree. The trouble is, I think the PS6 will open itself up for a lot more of this type of 'abuse' given the smaller rumoured raw power difference from PS5/Pro to PS6, than previous generations.
Edit: clarification.
For me it stems from the feeling that it’s all kind of plateaued. Consoles are soon going to join smart phones in this way, I think.
@Andy22385
Plenty don't achieve close to a stable 60fps, so might as well be stuck at 30fps.
Eh im not too fussed. Originally i thought 2028 but i dont even think much GPU power is needed over the Pro, certainly not 4 years worth of increase. Especially with PSSR improvements. They need to start putting decent CPUs in
It's because a lot are moaning about the price, yet have no technical knowledge on why the costs are so high, comparing a ps4 that only used a basic hard drive to a SSD NVME that 2, increases in technology, from the hard drive to solid state drive to the Non volatile memory express that bypasses SATA drives not to mention the tariffs thst have increased the cost of technology . There's also a lot in low paying jobs and expect the price to be the same as the ps4. Ignorant of technology
@Foxhound Hasn’t it? What exactly are you expecting that’s going to be dramatically different over the next four years, if we take the current poll results into account?
I don't think it's unfair to expect consoles to take longer to release, considering that it takes games longer to develop nowadays.
@thechetearly the only thing that hasn't changed over the years is npc intelligence , surely more realistic behaviour, should be available in the 21st century , i mean 40 years ago I thought we'd have hover boards and flying cars by now.
@Rich33 i dont think ive played one that drops below the 48 fps VRR magic number tbh. 48+ with VRR is always the choice over 30
I won’t be buying the ps6 day one. I’m perfectly happy with the ps5 and I can see Sony supporting the ps5 long into the ps6 cycle.
@Fiendish-Beaver "I think the biggest issue with the delay, is that potentially, we will be getting 2027s tech released in 2029 or beyond" I mean consoles have always had that problem, welcome to world of tech.
In every new generation we've seen the previous generation get increasingly bad ports, and fewer titles as people focus on the new generation.
It's not just case of "don't buy one" the longer it takes the PS6 to exist, the more games PS5 owners get that are specifically tuned for their hardware
@Rich33 the difference between the base ps5 and the pro is massive especially when the FSR 2.0 . The problem is a lot of people are running 1080ip tv screen and don't have a dent tv screen thst has HDR10+, so they are not seeing a difference. Not including the fact 70-80% of games run in 60 fps when the base ps5 struggles with 30fps , on ray tracing
@get2sammyb "I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times."
Try PS3. I'm still playing my PS3 slim and Vita. I'm also saving money to get og PS2 + bunch of games. So i can live with 30 fps games and juggernaut loading times.
I don't see the urgent of PS6 needs to coming out next year though. In fact, i think it's the right choice for Sony to delayed it while waiting for RAM price become normal. If they release it next year with what, $600-700 price tag? that would be a big blow for PS6 sales.
It's a sign of the times, @get2sammyb.
I'm a big fan of new console hardware and tend to be a Day 1 buyer, but everything is expensive atm and if I can delay making a new hardware purchase for another year I'll be happy.
It also feels like we're about to see the best years of the PS5, so I'm in no rush to move on.
I think PS3 was the last time I got to play three games in one franchise while pushing the graphics? Uncharted? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't want to wait to PS6 to finish another franchise.
The amount of first party exclusives has been abysmal.. ps5 needs more before they release 6. Let it cool and come to the table with some exclusives
This whole thing feels like the “Why do we need automobiles when horse-drawn carriages work fine?” kind of argument.
I'm not sure celebrating is the right word but I'm definitely in no rush whatsoever for a PS6
And I say that as someone who always buys new consoles at launch.
The way I feel is that PS5 has literally only just gotten going, we've finally (just about) managed to shake off Cross gen PS4 releases Which I feel we're holding the games back slightly.
Let PS5 have it's time to fully shine
2028 or later, the economy sucks, no need in having new hardware when it's not needed.
I think they should wait out these supply chain issues, otherwise the PS6 is going to be 1500$ and a price precedent like that will be a death sentence for owning your own hardware I think
I don't think it's that hard to understand Sammy. Even though we've seen some beautiful looking games, people feel like the machine hasn't been properly utilized to its full potential by its most talented developers. Naughty Dog hasn't released an original title built from the ground up for PS5 yet, while in the previous generation they had that moment less than 3 years into it with Uncharted 4. Santa Monica and Guerrilla haven't released a dedicated PS5 title without the baggage of PS4 yet. I'm disqualifying Burning Shores since it was basically a continuation of a cross-gen title.
I can't speak for everyone with certainty, but I think people just want to see these developers release a dedicated PS5 title without the distraction of either the previous or the next generation. Once we've had these, I think a lot more people will be willing to start looking forward, but until that time, it feels like we collectively still have unfinished business with the current generation.
With such a range of quality on the PS5 already, I think we 'd benefit from more time for games to reach a higher average level on the current hardware. Then we can see more of a proper jump for PS6 when we're hitting the top end of what the PS5 can do.
That and a lot of people won't be able to afford one with financial outlooks as they are at the moment.
ASAP 2028 at the latest please, time marches on and old folks time runs out quicker, plus been in remission for 6yrs so times not for wasting.......so wtf am i doing on here ? Back to more important things.
Hopefully Sony saw what their in-house devs can achieve on the console and thought "that is already a step up, to be honest" and maybe PSSR v2 is better than expected and they can focus on selling the Pro to people instead? I don't think they would want to go so long without selling people something new, if possible. And if they stockpiled chips that can make PS5 Pros, they would be in a decent position for a soft-relaunch of that console. It wouldn't be like a PS6 launch, but people could be convinced if there is no other option and they start to see more improvements.
On one side, there is pricing, on the other preparing software that actually put the hardware to use. Switch 2 became my primary console since launch despite the inferior graphics and performance because it plays the same games now and adds flexibility of playing on the go. Judging by internet comments, which is not necessarily a reflection of reality but anyway, multiple people are doing the same as me, especially gamers that are now parents and don’t have much time on the big TV.
PS6 as a product needs to justify itself and it needs to do so at the price they sell it for. That’s no easy task right now. Hence a lot of people are celebrating since the delay gives Sony time to rethink and prepare games (also we all want PlayStation to succeed, so there is that).
Oh, yes, @Oram77, I absolutely know that. I'm a child of the early 60's so I have seen tech come, age, and go forever. It matters not when the PS6 releases, it will have tech within that was already a year or two out of date at the conception stage. But that is the point; if the PS6 were to release next year, containing tech from 2025, then it's only 2 years out of date. If it releases in 2030, then the tech is 5 years out of date. However, that only reflects the year of release. If the PS6 releases in 2030, and the generation lasts 7 years, before the PS7 then rocks up in 2037, then before we even have chance to buy the PS7, the architecture within the PS6 will be 12 years out of date. This is why I don't think the delay really helps us...
One thing that the author misses is that PS5 was launched during tough times and in some areas it felt like paper launch. Those consoles were so hard to get so the actual availabilty in the stores was maybe a year later.
Then comes the very late use of the hardware. I got mine in the begining but still after a year or so we got a proper PS5 game. So, the actual feel of a new console is much shorter.
And I will add and say that to me, mos devs were indeed lazy since we got the syste utilized in her mid life ... first half the only advnace was the SSD, but many had already done that on the PS4s.
In my deffence - you see how the Pro is utilized ... again it will be fully maybe just before the the 6 comes out. Yes, I know the pro is the test bed of the 6 but still...
If you are crying out for an update then PS5 pro is the clear option for now if you don't already have one - PSSR 2.0 coming out this year will hopefully give those who want a bump an uplift.
There's no real sensible option for a PS6 at the moment given the perfect storm of issues
PS5 launched during, what was an unprecedented time, causing the gen to kick off slowly
Big, first party devs haven't released a new game/IP this gen still.
RAM prices are through the roof which will massively impact the cost of any new console.
Peoples wages are not keeping up with cost of living.
Surely the longer the delay the more outdated the hardware will be? If you're happy still paying the full price for that then that's fine. But a lot of tech savvy people are not going to be pleased paying for outdated hardware at full price.
Also even if people say they think it should be delayed, what's wrong with still releasing it in 2027? Those that want a delay can just you know.... Not buy it and wait a couple of years.
Ps5 is fine for gaming until 2030 just dial back the graphics. With the games coming years after the console most won't jump over the first year anyway. Also your challenge is moot alot of gamers still play on PS4. I played all the Metal Gear in order after delta and guess what two games are locked to ps3 I had a blast. Not to mention more people play on outdated phones. Con you know why people want the PS5 to continue. We do not get to play these as part of our job we have to purchase every console and game, so if we as consumers are happy with the ps5 I guess you have to keep playing it.
It's not just the console you have to update, it's the accessories as well.
I have 4 Dual senses (including limited editions) that I like a lot, when the PS6 comes out, they sort of become obsolete.
@Fiendish-Beaver Obviously I'm not a console manufacturer/designer but I'm sure they would realise your concern of things coming out already "out-dated" and could upgrade core components before mass producing. The other thing to note. technolgy has plateaued somewhat and would take something extremely impressive (expensive) to change that.
The PS5 and the PS5 PRO are beasts, and there really is no need for a PS6 yet. Not until there is a significant hardware jump and games that will actually utilise it. Look at PS5, how many games fully harness its power and features?
It just doesn’t feel like the PS5 is struggling with games. If you look at how Switch 1 handled the last two Zelda games, those frames dropped. My PS4 sounded like it was out of breath trying to run The Last of Us 2. Every other generation had a moment where first and third parties knew how to optimize the system. It doesn’t feel like we’ve had that yet. If they haven’t maxed out this system, then why give them more room to work?
THIS! I tried to play PS4 over Xmas and it was painful. Ended up cloud streaming on Portal instead.
Really enjoyed this article and I MOSTLY feel the same @get2sammyB. However I think you are missing a few important factors on why it could reasonably be delayed a little.
1) Dev cycles are so much longer most devs aren't getting the most out of the hardware yet.
2) PS5 is a balanced console, we are playing at 60fps and have super fast load times (the two massive jumps this gen) I don't think there's a massive gap to fill somewhere else in hardware.
3) Mid gen upgrades. PS5 Pro has meant we don't need a new console as quickly.
Though personally i'd be happy with 2028, but not any later.
@lazarus11 Yes, but how can we be certain it’ll be any cheaper beyond that?
I voted 2028. But i do understand sammy tbh. I also am confused as to why people would want Sony to delay new consoles (RAM price set aside for a second). That’s like asking Nvidia to not realease a RTX6090, because i’m still fine with my RTX2070. It’s not like you have to buy a PS6 when one releases, your PS5 won’t suddenly become obsolete or anything.
It will also spearhead new tech like path tracing and advanced use of AI in games. I mean some of this tech is already available on PC, but it only usually starts to get developed for when consoles have the tech, because only a handful of PC users have these expensive builds. Similar to ray tracing, it really blew up when consoles got the tech, even if PC already had it before
2029 2030.let the ps5 get more shine.word up son
I just bought a Pro within the last year, so I’m satisfied to stay with the PS5 for a few more years. A lot of my feelings contentment with the PS6 delay stems from the fact I’m still working on some of my backlog from PS4 for goodness sake. I personally can’t relate to the online sentiment that PS5 has no games. My backlog has never been larger and games are still coming out at a steady clip.
To play devil’s advocate, I realize PS6 will surely be backwards compatible with PS4 and PS5, so we will all be able to work on the backlog in perpetuity. So a PS4 backlog isn’t alone a reason not to want a PS6, but I think there’s an economic reason as well. Like Sammy says, the delay is out of necessity due to awful market conditions. And we’re all living in that horrible economy too with dwindling discretionary money to spend.
I know people say that you don’t have to upgrade if the PS6 were to come out tomorrow, but with technology there’s usually a draw, especially among with enthusiasts, to have the latest version and tech, so people I think are feeling the pressure to stay current and yet don’t have the money to do so.
(Edit: And I would add, as far as economic reasons for waiting, that this generation is the first time that we’ve had price increases of the hardware the further into the generation we go. So now it’s no guarantee that if you wait to adopt the new generation until a couple years later, say 2030 or 2031, that the cost of a PS6 may actually be higher! So waiting to join the next gen doesn’t mean you save money like it used to)
Another reason many of us feel fine to wait a couple years is that even though we’re at the usual end of a generational timeframe (around 6-7 years), the first two years of PS5 seemed like a no-show with the crazy COVID delays and product scarcity. Effectively the generation feels like it started around 2022 rather than 2020. I still remember the crazy days of stalking websites trying to log in immediately when stock dropped onto it, only to find out you missed again and would have to wait until the next random stock drop. So many people couldn’t even get a PS5 for the first year or so.
@UltimateOtaku91 Kinda my point, yeah. If you don’t want it in 2027, just don’t buy it.
Obviously I appreciate Sony does have to hit a price target and if that’s just not feasible right now they’ll need to delay.
But how do we know things will improve?
@Americansamurai1 say that to mobile phone manufacturers
My guy, the PS5 has like 10 games and you already want to move on to the PS6??
Price is obviously the main factor for most people if they can release in 2027 and keep the price reasonable then go for it. I dont really care either way I'll not be buying it at launch anyway.
@Cambrius How many games are actually 30fps on PS5?
I did a google and only came up with around 7 games as of last summer and can't remember any since. Yet there are over 7000 PS5 games on the PSN store.
Delaying console will make it to be last gen release once it will get to see the daylight..at that point the pc will be so many lightyears away in the hardware term, that you can probably build 2 times more powerful machine with the same price, taken that ram prices and other costs will normalize before then.
Imagine releasing a new hardware that's already 5 years out of date.
Really seems people are forgetting how PS4 was, sure the games didn't look 'that' much different to now. But we were playing in 1080p and 30 fps for the most part. Takes a hell of a lot of extra graphical power to bump that to 4k and 60. Especially with the far better lighting in games of today
The difference from "history" is, my good sir, that the midlife refresh PS5 Pro actually brought new tech in the form of PSSR - not just more horse power. Something that didn't happen in PS4 to PS4 Pro.
And PSSR will also be in PS6 in the form of PSSR 2 or similar name - again, something that didn't happen before.
Now
PS5 Pro launched more than 1 year ago, and still there are problems with it's PSSR tech.
It's only well implemented in some 1st party games, but 3rd party devs are still giving it a HUGELY wide birth in ... what...70-80% of 3rd party titles? Even new ones launching now either lack support or have a faulty/fake implementation.
What would happen if PS6 launches in 2027 with PSSR 2 in tow?
Heh... Sony won't be able to convince every dev to adopt PSSR 1 until then, much less to change gears again and adopt PSSR 2.
So the PS6 would end up with 1000$ cost (minimum) and a new tech that won't be used for years to follow.
And it will still rest comfortably on PS5-era graphics titles to fill up it's portfolio, not being able to fulfill buyer's expectations... yet again!
What's the point then? If new tech will be useless for a few years, and previous gen will still be king 'till 2030, why the hell should clients pay 1000$ to upgrade in 2027?
AND if people won't buy the console in sufficient numbers for a few years after launch, if Sony doesn't make a profit during this time, what's the point in them launching it in 2027? Or even 2028 for that matter.
Why not give PS6 a few more years in the oven to allow the PSSR 1 to mature before bringing PSSR 2 in the game?
And launch it correctly, with desire from gamers and marketing that will prove true instead of the fake commercials that PS5 Pro now "benefits" from.
@Foxhound your ps5 maxed out 2 years ago with all those games that can't hit 60 FPS like elder ring
@get2sammyb Exactly, this RAM situation may last 5+ more years, if so then Sony can't wait that long especially if Microsoft release their console in 27/28 as Sony will not want to lose any market share. Also publishers and devs may already have games planned for this console and will not want a delay.
No need to bring out a PS6 Sony aint worried about Microsoft.
I think that it doesn’t help that the first two years of the life of the ps5 was covid. That delayed everything (which is why we have all these great games coming out now), but it also made the console feel like we just got a ps4 pro-pro. Since most of the games in the early life were just ports and remasters. I mean, how can demon’s souls still be the best looking game on ps5 when it was a launch game. I love my ps5 and I feel like we are only scratching its potential. Add that it’s been hindered by the cross generation push, these incredible games get held back because of it, thus making it feel less of a new generation. “Oh what’s your new iPhone do? It has a third camera lens” it’s cool but until we get more from this machine I feel like it hasn’t earned its right to retire
I might agree if there were no Pro, but it's just going to start finding its feet this year, and I feel like it easily has another good four years in it. Three minimum.
Cost is the main reason. As I get older with more responsibilities, shelling out so much money on anything for myself is a rarity. And for a small evolution in graphics? I'd rather wait.
You mention you don't have to buy it, but then you buy it halfway through the next generation, and the next is round the corner!
@get2sammyb
"if you don’t want a PS6 at launch, then you’re not inclined to buy one."
The user doesn't HAVE to buy one, but once a generation starts developers tend to target the new hardware. So the user either has to upgrade or not play the latest games.
So the longer the PS5 generation goes on, the longer we can be sure we have the hardware for all new releases.
Any serious reaction to a rumoured delay of a rumoured release evokes confusion. PS6 was established as a distant prospect the moment PS5 Pro was announced. PS5 itself only came out four years after the preceding "upgrade", three years into the ongoing Gen 9 - so why is PS6 expected anytime before 2028?
"I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times."
I only don't spend one full week because affording that long on a home console before retirement is easier said than done in general. But I do unshelve my PS4 from time to time and spend what I can dedicate to it just fine - most recently, on a portable 11.6" screen to boot.
There isn't the biggest jump between a game like Horizon 2 on the PS4 and most mid-range PS5 games. This gen also got off to a pretty slow start and hasn't come down in price at all yet. The PS5 should be around to the end of the decade because all a new console will offer is diminishing graphic returns and some sort of horrendous LLM integration.
I think this sentiment is driven by a feeling that the PS5 hasn’t been utilised to its fullest potential yet relative to the prices of the machines. I also think that’s strongly linked to perceptions about how Sony has itself utilised PS5 for first-party software, and possibly a frustration that not “enough” of those games have been released.
People are coming to the realization that hardware generations are not an advancement like they used to be, and the opportunity cost of real money going towards this hobby may be better spent on other pursuits. Many older gamers I suspect also have worrying and lengthening backlogs.
@Andy22385 yeah, PS4 was horrible off the bat, especially with the CPU being so bad they literally had to overclock and unlock two additional cores for games in the first year of a release. It was lagging UI, choppy gameplay and majority games were forced at 30 FPS and it wasn't even good at it too. PS4 pro on the other hand was what original PS4 was suppose to be from the beginning. PS5 was great, but I have no remorse switching to PS5 pro once the ps5 started struggling.
Ps6 delay is going to be costing them big, just release the console as it is and adapt prices to the market conditions..maybe we will see console prices dropping with age like it should be..
The PS4 only feels slower now because we've experienced PS5. PS5 is our baseline. The only thing we can do with PS6 is speculate.
It's because we're getting to a point where each generation is merely iterative that longer wait times for new hardware aren't a bad thing. A longer wait time means more capable hardware.
Thing is, what deficiencies in the PS5 need to be addressed at this point for most users? You could say that we need games with RT running at 4k120, but do we really? Most people don't have displays higher than 60Hz.
I understand that you live and breathe PlayStation. I don't make a living playing it and writing about it, so new hardware doesn't excite me. The experience I get from the hardware is why I play, and that typically comes from the software. Good hardware should basically be invisible - it should provide seamless interaction with the software, and PS5 has achieved that better than any console in years.
There's also a growing sentiment for making things last. If I buy something, I want it to serve me for a very, very long time. A PS6 launch starts a ticking clock on the PS5.
We're never getting a PS1 -> PS2 level jump again. Getting excited for a new PlayStation at this pont is like getting excited for a new iPhone. It doesn't make any sense to me.
@Dragon83
I was referring to the rumoured fairly small power difference between PS5 (particularly Pro), and PS6. I have clarified the comment I think you read.
I think you are referring to PSSR2, rather than FSR2.
@graymamba
The Pro purchase is looking to be a great purchase at this point, just wish I had put my hand in my pocket and did likewise.
Anyway all this euphoric reaction is from tourists, or so I read on twitter but it may have been about something else.
I feel like we have yet to see a true next gen game (as ridiculous as that may sound). I can wait another 5 years - easy
If they had it run all Playstation discs 1,2,3,4,5 only then it would be worth it for me, and convince others of its value. But if they don't do this or something reaaaaaalllly interesting with it I don't think its worth it.I'm still slowly playing Ps Exclusives for Ps5 Never played Gow Ragnorok, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Returnal, Death Stranding 1 or 2, Gran Turismo 7 I haven't even played most PS5 games I want to.
@MB81 sounds like your issue then? If you aren't worried about graphics and performance why are you worried that you will buy a console that's half cycle in?
Get what you can get and stop worrying about chasing the trends, meanwhile for people that can chip that extra hundred bucks to cover the ram prices I see no reason to delay the hardware. I have no reason to chip extra hundred dollars on ram too to enjoy the best in the market.
@themightyant
Most games have a 60fps option now, true. The point is that you don't have to go back to the PS4 to find examples of 30fps locked games. And certainly on my PS4 pro a lot of games could run at (mostly)60 fps. I was just disagreeing with the articles premise that going back to play games on the PS4 was a hugely inferior experience.
@dodgykebaab Looking at the PS5 gen most developers still released their games on the PS4 for a few years so Id say it's not really an issue. Also those games that are exclusive are still going to be there whenever you decide to buy the console.
I've been happily playing my PS3 way more than my PS5 this whole generation. Yes loading times take a little getting used to and the DualSense feels tiny, but the graphics still hold up and the variety and quality of games easily beat the PS5 in my opinion.
I think it has more to do with consumer spending power than anything else. No one wants to buy an upgrade that is being speculated at a price of $1000-ish USD.
While the PS5 has made huge leaps for use of access, games haven’t really seen much of a technological leap either. The early generation wow factor of Rift Apart and Dualsense utilization of Astro’s Playroom was largely swapped for games that play a lot like PS4 games with less loading times. I mean, the majority of the tentpole PS5 games have also been on PS4, so I’m sure people are suspecting there may be no real need for an upgrade any time soon either. I mean, stuff like Genshin and Fortnite literally have to kick players off PS4 to get them to upgrade at this point.
Unless Sony makes a very compelling price and software argument for why people should upgrade next generation, I expect the upgrade rate will be slower than this generation’s already slower than usual upgrade rate.
Personally, I make more money than I did in 2020, but the cost of goods feels incrementally more expensive, so that is a hurdle for me.
You just answered your own question in the article. The changes between gen are evolutionary, You said that we are hitting diminishing returns but you only looked at it from a graphic perspective, when in reality we are hitting diminishing returns from every perspective.
Look at resolution, a PS6 isn't gonna target 8k because frankly 4k is extremely clear. A PS6 can target 120 fps but the jump that people felt moving from 30 to 60 isn't gonna be there either. PS5 gen addressed all of the major pitfalls of console gaming. If say PS5 gen wasn't capable of ray tracing at all I would understand the argument but even that isn't really a big deal. Add the long cross gen period on top and its obvious why people feel that the PS5 hardware hasn't been completely utilised.
Imo its not the long dev cycles but rather the long cross gen period and if this is going to be the standard moving forward then maybe it is better that the console gens are longer.
@Cambrius But it IS a hugely inferior experience on PS4. Often a shaky 30fps and super long load times. Those are the two massive jumps this gen. Other things like better resolutions, graphical presets etc. all round it out to make a large enough difference imo. I tried playing my PS4 over Christmas (it's at my dad's house) and ended up playing via cloud on PS Portal instead because the framerate and load times were such a shock.
@Bamila Elden Ring is just coded poorly, FromSoft have never cared too much about stable performance. It's more of a dev issue than a PS5 issue. E.g. One modder fixed Bloodborne on PlayStation devkits.
Though as Digital Foundry said PS5 Pro is the best way to play now on console as it's mostly 60fps but crucially holds above the VRR line at almost all times, whereas previously they said the only way to get a mostly stable framerate was to play the PS4 version on PS5.
@Fiendish-Beaver they can't change the components anymore as deals have been signed long ago, the manufacturing been ramping long ago for components, the researches been done long ago. It doesn't come cheap, just to make a new dye for console can cost about 30-40 millions of euros.
Everyone talking about ram prices when they also forgot there a component shortages as well. Even if they got the system out at $900… It would be so little supply. Go lucky even remotely selling a $900 console when you can only produce 1 million units and it was bought up by bots. The longer the delay, the bigger the chance people who want one regardless of price can actual get one. This why the Switch 2 was so successful. If you want one, you can buy one.
It's a rumour of a rumour. Who says that 2028 wasnt the original target year. I'm sure Sony has a plan for the PS6 already. Devs might not be so eacher aswell to jump to even higher development costs this time.
I don't think the answer is really all that complex. People are not celebrating for the benefit of PlayStation, they are celebrating an extended period of time with games guaranteed to come to PlayStation 5 as consumers.
I think the cross-gen idea is neat, and I will personally be riding that wave for as long as it will take me on PS5, but it's going to suck when the next Astro Bot, Ratchet & Clank or Final Fantasy is exclusive to the new-gen hardware and inaccessible to me.
So, I'm celebrating because I have some (much needed) additional time with one of my favorite iterations of console hardware with the caveat that I will not upgrade to a PlayStation 6 until 2029/2030 anyway.
@themightyant elder ring is just one example of about 200 other games that came out after the elder rings.
If I'm being honest, updating hardware is probably my least favorite part of gaming as a hobby. It's more of a necessary evil as opposed to something I look forward to.
So you're never going to see me celebrating a new console release. They are a means to an end. I need the console to play the games. The games are what I celebrate and right now games run great and look great. Be happy with what you have I say.
Also with the RAM prices being what they are, I'm more than happy to hear I won't be tempted to buy new hardware for an obnoxious amount of money any time soon.
This isn’t a situation like the Nintendo Switch where basic games are struggling to run. On the contrary, it seems that very few games are getting the most out of this hardware. On top of that, what else can be done that’s going to make me want to upgrade right away? I guess it would be nice to get a proper handheld capable of running games natively. But that’s obviously a few years away, at least to get in a price point for the masses.
Would buy the handheld tomorrow, but not really feeling ps6 is needed right now just as ps5 has started to find momentum. The state of play was a clear demonstration of that.
Dont get me wrong, I'd probably look to get one nearish launch - particularly if smaller and they sort some of the design issues i have with PS5
I just think Sony would be better off waiting out the current RAM crisis and continue building on PS5 - make people WANT to upgrade - i don't feel many are at that point yet and would be put off if they had to invest in yet more hardware. The games are running just fine as they are.
Where was the " i'm ready today for PS6, screw all the haters still waing nee releases on their Atari 2600's?
Still enjoying my "crusty old" PS4 no problem. This sentiment says more about people's attention spans than anything else, I think.
For me the year does not matter. The PS6 and new XBox needs to have day 1 and within 6 months of release content. The way i see if PS 6 releases 2026 or 2027 there will be no games for it. I would rather the next gen release when the games are ready like: Elder Scrolls 6, Intergalactic, Cory’s new game, Final Fantasy 17, new Halo, new game from Ico creator, Physint and others i cannot think of right now.
With GTA 6 coming out later this year and Fable will really tell us if this gen is done depending on how the perform on current gen.
PS5 And Series X when released had no killer games.
Get me excited for Day 1 and release window then i will be ready for next Gen.
Otherwise we will be paying for new gen versions of existing games until these new and exciting games come out.
If these games won’t be ready for another 2-3 years then hold of the console launch till you have the content to support what will be (regardless of chip/ram shortages) the most expensive gen jump ever.
It’s always been about the games!
2028 at a bare minimum. A PS6 launch will only distract from fulfilling this generations potential, there is zero need for a next gen console particularly when there’s barely a handful of games that even stretch the PS5 Pro. It’s not championing standing still, it’s sticking up for this generation and wanting to walk before we can run.
I think theres a few reasons that some people arent excited to get a PS6 release soon. It feels as if the PS5 still has a lot in it, also because till recently a lot of games still got a PS4 version. Then theres the prices nowadays, i think a lot of people might worry about how much the new console is going to cost. As mentioned in the article, the difference between generations isnt as huge as it used to be, so people feel like they dont really need an upgrade yet. And like this generation, the first years the games will most likely be crossgen games which means the full potential of the PS6 probably wont be used yet. This is also why i disagree that a new console will push developers, i dont think it will. This generation also has the most buggy games at release and shows developers only get more lazy and rely on patches to fix a lot ( which in some cases takes way too long ). And last but not least, i think Sony has also lost a lot of goodwill with some of their decissions this gen, 1 example being the live service push that didnt go down well for a lot of fans.
I’m not sure how this is confusing. If the PS6 comes out in the next couple years, it’ll be stupidly expensive. Devs aren’t able to properly harness the PS5 properly as it is, so there’s just no reason for a boost right now.
Look at the amazing ports that have been hitting the Switch 2 lately. That console alone is proof that the PS5’s potential is being squandered.
I’m glad the 6 is (per rumors) delayed. It’s not confusing or odd at all.
It's really not that hard to imagine why people want it as late as possible, if games take years to make and get pushed back a lot, then so should the hardware.
Personally, I am push it back. I've enjoyed the Nintendo approach of not pushing power, I think development companies really need focus on optimizing development time and shorten life cycles between games. We used to get 2 or 3 games in a franchise on a single console. Now we get 1....2 if we are extremely lucky. Putting out a new console shifts the focus from optimizing current development cycle back to how develop for new console.
@Aniscape There will be no exclusives and in fact I’m of the opinion that if PS5 persists until 2030 or beyond like some have suggested it makes the probability of exclusives even less.
Assuming Sony CAN keep momentum for another four or so years (I don’t think they can) you’re looking at leaving behind ~175 million systems as opposed to the ~115 million in 2027.
@Jeremazing What if the new console is designed to make things easier?
Dear friend @graymamba
I also continue to enjoy my PS3 Slim and PS4 Glacier White Edition.
By the way;
PlayStation Move games are truly so much fun, especially "Beach volley" , "Tennis" ," Archery" , "Golf" and "Bowling"
ButterySmooth30FPS wrote:
But because the leaps in generational fidelity become less and less discernible, It's less of a "horse -> car" difference, more a "horse -> horse with a marginally glossier coat"
@Cambrius I disagree with your disagreement (lol) with the article's premise. For the most part, playing games on the PS4 was a significantly inferior experience. Some games on PS4 targeted 60fps and, on the Pro, some more. It was far from the norm however. The leading framerate was 30fps. On top of that, loading times were often terrible and the machine sounded like it could take off any moment.
There are still some games that are limited to 30fps on PS5, but they're more of an exception this time around, and even then you still get the benefit of much improved loading times, a much quieter machine, a much more responsive system interface, etc. Gaming on the PS5 is by and large a vastly improved experience compared to PS4.
PS6 will just be remasters of games we already played this gen and last (like PS5 was). Probably disc-less, unless you pay more for an add-on. Probably without a stand in the box, unless you buy one separately. Will it even come with a Dualsense, or will that be sold separately too? Who knows? Sony have no competition, so they can do whatever they want.
PS6 just isn’t appealing right now, when PS5 is good enough for the quality of content we’ve been getting.
I am a huge PS5 fan who thinks most developers haven’t pushed the hardware and never will because nowadays most live within the constraints of UE5 (which is a great engine but is a layer that keeps developers away from the metal that developers used to code to) and on a related note most are working on multiplatform games aimed at lower spec hardware (nods towards Valve’s recent comments about the average PC gamers as well as the success of mobile and the Switches).
It’s also worth noting that once upon a time arcade games and/or high PC games created hunger for future tech but arcades died decades ago and games built for high end PCs are no longer a thing.
Coupled with the spiraling price of computer components I think Sony would be wise to hold off on the PS6 for a while. Figuring out a way to make the PS5 more affordable (it’s crazy it’s a bit pricier than it was at launch) would do much more to grow the market than releasing even pricier more powerful hardware.
Anytime after or around 2028 for me, had the PS5 since launch then the Pro since launch so we would have had 4 years of each which feels about right to me.
I do however accept this generation has been poor from a 1st party perspective but there has been no shortage of excellent games for this generation IMO.
I guess you're just out of touch with people's financial situation. Not surprised.
@get2sammyb I think lots of people are broadly satisfied with how games look on PS5. They could definitely run better, but as other data have shown, the general consumer prioritizes looks over performance. On top of that, I think a lot of people still have sticker shock over the jump in price from PS4 to PS5. I'd wager people aren't chomping at the bit to drop a cool $1000.
The 'you don't have to buy one if you don't want it/can't afford it' argument is one so facile, so shortsighted, so utterly bereft of any insight beyond demonstrating the childish 'i'm a very good consumer and want my over-priced technology NOW! (and a pony!)' attitude that is helping ruin the games industry in general, that I'm quite surprised the author is apparently a senior member of staff on this site!
After 821 votes, the average date of the poll is November/December 2028 (with „2031 or beyond“ calculated as 2031).
Sounds like a very reasonable launch date!
Ps5 needs to notch several more wins on the games front before a ps6 is launched. It takes longer for games to come out, so should consoles. The pro is still pretty new anyway it would feel like bad form to launch another console already. Then factor in rising costs. The new system will surly cost a good amount more. Longer system cycles just make sense.
idk it just doesn't really feel like the PS5 (especially Pro) is old hardware yet at this point, like it did with the PS4.
If a delayed launch means the hardware is more up to date or the price is lower, then yeah, do that. But I guess it could easily mean neither.
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