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I always thought games companies didn't reveal digital sales, but apparantly gsddata know all (except Nintendo's). Makes me wonder why the figures are not more commonly reported.

Edit, that said, gsddatas site doesn't seem to provide easy access to any figures from a quick browse.

@Centaured yeah it could backfire, there's actually a good chance it will, Microsoft don't have a very strong history of success from buying out games companies. Most of them just seem to fade away.
It's a backfire that they can afford I guess though, even if it happened. Windows' uncontested dominance gives them money to throw around.
What the world needs is a strong competitor to windows, that'd be fun.

@rjejr Roblox has an even younger audience than even Minecraft or fortnite I think. From what I seen kids show an interest in Roblox very young. No idea how they manage it but something about it grabs toddlers attentions.

@MattBoothDev I disagree, I think Sony are aware that the physical option is a pretty big ace over pc, I think they'll defend it as best they can.

174 hours of cinematics! That puts even metal gear solid to shame doesn't it? Or literally any game ever, well aside from possibly final fantasy 14.

@Porco I don't know, I think the main targets for these collections are people who played them at the time. Quality is irrelevant when nostalgia is concerned, there's prob a lot of people with fond memories of the game gear games.
It's the same argument for the nes tmnt being included in that collection. It doesn't stand up well now, but it's one of the most remembered titles cause so many people played it back then.

Edit : it's the same reason that I'm still peeved that the c64 versions of turrican weren't included In that package. It is technically, a worse game than other ones, but it's the one that I played and would like to play again.

@MasterVGuides yeah they'll have to keep pumping out new content to keep people subscribed, or offer some sort of loyalty scheme.
That's the beauty of ps+ and games with gold (if it was any good), the longer you stay subscribed, the bigger your library gets.
Game pass doesn't even offer the usual big discount for a year. I guess the monthly fee.is as low as they are prepared to go.

It's odd, I don't know anyone who plays call of duty anymore, I would've thought considering how big it is I'd know quite a few.
Games like minecraft,fortnite and gta5 you can put them down to being hugely popular with kids still, but as far as I know cod isn't.
Maybe it's a usa thing.

Edit : though PS3, that was very different, especially during the black ops stage. Omg cod was all anyone could talk about.

@Art_Vandelay who sends 'unguarded' emails at work nowadays anyway? Least of all a higher up figure. They don't send traceable email trails of thought just for bants.

@Matroska I'd be interested in seeing the full price day one sales split, I'd imagine physical is still putting in a strong show there.

@NEStalgia Microsoft certainly would've taken call of duty away from playstation if they thought they could seal the deal without promising otherwise.
They were going through the exact motions as starfield, and now elder scrolls, before they were compelled to promise anything. 'oh maybe we will, maybe we won't, who knows? Actually we're not going to'.

New story circling that apparantly Bethesda isn't happy that Activision is being treated differently regarding multiplatform. So see you all on that monster thread when it appears on here

I remember years ago a reviewer in a pc magazine comparing Microsoft to the Borg. Which always seemed pretty appropriate to me.

Quest announced San Andreas ages ago, and haven't spoken about it since.

I buy digital games when they are massively discounted, but unlike physical, there is zero chance of me paying £30+ for one.
I can even understand digital only sometimes for niche/indie games, that may or may not sell well.
This game actually may fall into that category, I guess they aren't going to publicly announce that it's digital only cause it may not sell a lot, hence the amnesia that patches exist.

Edit : And I still think Nintendo and Sony are aware that physical is one of the few remaining advantages over pc, I can't see them giving up physical any time soon.

It's so cringe. Sure the future is always uncertain, but Microsoft definitely know if they currently PLAN to release it on playstation or not, the embarrassing dancing around the question shows that they aren't obviously.

Seems unlikely, Deathloop and Ghostwire were both high risk games, so funding made sense.
Starfield however, a mainline Bethesda game that basically appears to be Skyrim or fallout in space, was always going to be money in the bank.
Exclusivity, even a year would've been big money I think.
Though yeah, even if there was a years exclusivity in the works, buying the whole company just because of that is clearly a silly justification.

@PixelDragon yes those poor people. Nothing but total workplace domination to console themselves with.

@Tharsman I think it (ouya) was considered a fairly good value emulation machine for a while, kind of lived on in that regard.

@__jamiie how would that work, it would be streaming only, you wouldn't be able to install Xbox games on a ps or switch.

I'm surprised Disney allowed it to be amended.
Unless MS threw more money at them. Which I wouldn't be so surprised about 🙄

@Savage_Joe they aren't collective minds though, they are individual people expressing an opinion. Many of them grounded in reality. Xbox historically has not been very interested in jrpgs, if they suddenly want to try and drop some big bucks to turn that tide, then good luck to them, but they have a lot of work (and money) ahead of them.

@Savage_Joe what does 'lose their collective minds' even mean? Have you even read the comments above you?

Microsoft would have to be practically fully funding it's development to convince them to make this exclusive I think. Which I suppose they've got the cash to do if they really wanted to 🤷

It does seem strange that they can't just leave it up and enjoy the occasional purchase, surely if it's available to redownload it can't cost any more to leave it available to purchase too? Licensing I guess.
Though this is nothing compared to the supposed streaming future. Games that not many people play anymore won't stand a chance there, and you won't be able to rely on 'other methods' either, as the data won't be on anyone's systems.

Always a laugh reading the 'i'm sick of reading about this' comments. Seems a lot of people out there are being held hostage and forced to read things by their captors.

@tameshiyaku I wont be buying it if it doesn't get a physical release. It's not a dramatic statement, it's just telling the world where I'm personally at with this.

Well I won't be buying it then. I think they are making a mistake assuming the remaining physical purchasers will just move to digital when their hand is forced.

@Tharsman persona isn't a call of duty, but it's certainly a lot more popular than a lot of franchises out there.
Calling it niche and using the word millions several times in your explanation is kinda eh.

The devil survivor games on 3ds were pretty cool so atlus do have some experience with tactical games, I think it could be good, even if p5 is starting to feel a bit overused.

It's my favourite final fantasy, a remake would be fantastic, if they keep what I like about it. And yes that means turned based or I'm just going to ignore it.

I don't even know what summer game fest is, is that what killed E3? E3 definitely had the better name so I guess, uh, SGF killed it some other way.

@NEStalgia it's working I guess. I mean if they had just released a full remake that followed the story like expected, we'd have loved it and it would have sold well, but people probably wouldn't be talking about it any more.

@JackMiller43 a spokesperson gave a super cringe reason a while ago about how even fantasy games need a level of reality or people won't believe it.

@TrickyDicky99 being unable to to find a physical copy of a game in week one is depressingly common actually, suppliers underestimate the popularity quite often.

@NEStalgia the quest does have an add on head attachment that makes it a lot more appealing, but like all official quest accessories it's very pricey.

If only the music packs were crossbuy with quest. That'd be enough to get me to buy a psvr2 too. I've bought them all on quest though, and there's no way I'm buying them all again.

Isn't knowing the ping enough? I appreciate that wired does indeed improve your connection, but it doesn't guarantee that it's a good one. A good fast isp and a good router is probably faster than a wired slower isp.

@BlueBeemer what are your opinions on streaming, the supposed evolution of the digital future? Games will not be able to be cracked then.

@thetraditional vita's sleep mode is pretty good, but it definitely doesn't keep going for years, maybe two or three weeks of non use before it gives up. Powering it off completely I assume they meant.

@Gamer_Guy It seems to be the digital only crowd are the ones carrying the hatred. Physical fans are happy for both forms to exist, while digital devotees seem to be insulted by the mere existence of physical games.
You love digital, good for you, not sure how your world will be improved if everyone is forced into the same boat as you though.

Edit: And for the the stuff they listed as the reason for this choice, lets face it the real reason is this game isn't going to sell very many copies either way.

@themightyant premium is great value if you take the PS3 streaming into account, bit I think a lot of people can't/don't. I personally can only stream games if my brother's not home, if I try it when he's here he'll immediately start complaining about his counterstrike ping 😐.

I guess, when you are looking at the subscription screen, premium gets the 'might as well' click as it's not much more than extra. I almost upgraded myself for legend of dragoon, but decided to just buy it instead.

@KaijuKaiser i dont think theres been any sign p5 was deliberately/paid exclusive at the time, more that playstation was the only console it made sense for them to release it on.
Things have changed I guess with persona getting more mainstream since then.

It takes a lot to make a long time mmo player move. simply being newer alone isn't enough.
Look at everquest, that's still going, I think almost as popular as it's 'newer' sequel.
Lotro, for its age is still a well written fun time, packed full of the lore of Tolkien.
Although the audience now is relatively small. It could coexist alongside a newer one for certain, assuming it's allowed to, I don't know what the rights situation is.

@Art_Vandelay it's interesting if there'll be an army of 80+ gamers one day. I'm not so sure, interest tends to start waning in most at 40, complaining about wanting shorter/easier experiences etc, it may be that interest has disappeared altogether by then.

@nessisonett yeah the longevity of MMOs on pc can be amazing. Quite a few have been around over 20 years. It seems you only need a relative handful of dedicated players to keep one going, proof that not everything needs to be mass market.

@nessisonett it is, and it's pretty fun to play. The character models are dated, but the scenery still holds up (imo) looks great in some places.
It's pretty generous for a free to play game to.

I love how square thinks turn based fans problem with real time combat is that it's too hard for them.

@JAMes-BroWWWn I think the average jrpg fan owns both a switch and a ps4/5, which is probably why live a live hasn't done better.
As for final fantasy, I guess each game is charting individually, and people are upset that they missed out on the handful of physical copies that got made.