@Ilyn It's a good point. I mean the PS3/4 can only access ~50GB per disc, the HD Blu-ray on the PS5 can access ~100GB per disc.
If the Switch 2 cartridges can only access ~64GB, then they're potentially going to have to download at least a portion of some games, not including online patches. Of course, as we've seen with the Switch, they allow those strange download code in a retail box so I can see that may be the case going forwards - no cartridge required?
None of those games come close but if we stretch a little further back to the PS3 era and we have both Sonic and All Stars Racing titles and even F1 All Stars by Codemasters in 2012?
Sony became a lot better from the consumer point of view in the PS4 era. PS5 though, and the PS3-eque attitude reared up again. And on simple things as well, such as if PS4 saves can be backed up on a USB stick, why not the PS5 saves? Simple, more money from a PS subscription.
I'd wait for a few weeks and pick up a disc from an online retailer for £10-20 less than the price on the PS Store.
As you say, @RadioHedgeFund, we never asked for game development that cost more than several blockbuster movies.
I mean look at Atomfall. £55 on the store, £45 for a posted disc on Amazon, Game Collection, etc. And that game shows up quite a lot of first party output.
I'm against all these PS4-PS5 remasters ('cos they're pointless) but it's mainly the PS3 era stuff that NEEDS remastering as the PS5 isn't grunty enough to emulate the Cell architecture.
So, we need:
1. Motorstorm
2. Wipeout
3. ModNation Racers
Heck, might as well throw LBP in there too (for 1 & 2 ) as MM aren't working on a new one apparently.
IPs such as MotorStorm, Wipeout and ModNation Racers are as dead as a dodo but would sell well on the newer PlayStations if they were rebooted so why not lease them out?
@Northern_munkey Yep, the PS4 Pro could chuck circa-4K visuals round at 60fps for F1 2021-2024 so I don't think this will be pushing the PS5 to its limits. EA have just made a commercial vs dev time decision. Either that or they need the extra processing power to handle all of Hamilton's bling?
Glad to see one of the iconic franchises coming back.
Still miffed that they killed off the majority of the PS4 edition when they shut down the server but I suppose if it didn't have a lot of players, then the server gets shut down.
Be interesting to see who will be hosting the online servers this time - hopefully NOT Sony.
Might go for the Switch version anyway - bought Easy Come Easy Golf (Clap Hanz) a little while ago but it didn't hold a candle to Everybody's Golf on the PS4, PS Vita or even the PSP versions.
Stop messing about Sony and give us folders and themes. They won't though.
Lets hope for a significant UI and functionality update for the PS6. With luck they'll boot up a PS3 and PS4 and go 'ohh, so THAT'S what everyone keeps asking for!'
With luck, they could add the PS4's download chip back in too.
@nomither6 You're right - the first Xbox was just a DellPCInABox. It even had an Intel Celery processor.
In many ways, this could make good sense for Microsoft - a pre-built PC with pre-determined specs (maybe with upgrade options) that can happily sit under your TV without looking like an eyesore (I'm looking at you, 5) and play all your PC and Xbox games in one place. Might well end up being cheaper than the PS6? Might even have an HD Blu-ray drive option?
@LiamCroft Thanks for the reply, Liam. Interestingly, the PS4 disc version advertises a PS5 upgrade available so I assume that'd be like Fallout 4, for example, where the PS4 disc works as the key.
@Steelhead thanks for that. - just had a look and it looks a bit 'jerky'. Couldn't see any mention as to what it was running on (base PS5 or is that the 4?)
@nomither6 Yes, my fat one died after about 5.5 years of loyal service (I bought one just after Sony's announcement that they were stopping the 60GB units and replacing them with the non-b/c 40GBs)
Still got my 25xx series Slim though (which can only play 2 generations sadly) and I've still got 3 official DualShock 3s which have outlasted 2 Driftsenses...
USA, home of the Xbox - and even the mom's basement dwellers have the intellect to realise what's happening to the Xbox, with all the previous exclusives appearing on the PS5 so why buy an Xbox?
Europe’s a different matter (and yes, I still class we Brits as Europeans) but the PS5 to Xbox Series consoles ratio will continue to widen unless M$ can come up with some way of Xbox being relevant again.
PS4 is still in use by millions of users (don't know if you can even buy one any more but sales fell once the Pro was canned?) but some people can't be bothered to upgrade. Even the most anticipated game of recent weeks, Atomfall, is cross-gen.
@dodgykebaab Don't hate it - I have no need for it but I do want a full handheld console, as with the PSP and the Vita (hopefully without Sony stabbing it in the back this time!)
@dodgykebaab Vita can remote play PS4 games so.....yes, just like the Portal.
Also, I can play games in Wi-Fi dead spots (e.g. aeroplane) where the Portal is a door stop.
@Lindy01 If the rumours are true of Sony coming out with a self contained proper handheld alongside the PS6, with that functionality as an option, then I'd be excited.
Sad when an entire studio shuts down but hopefully some good will come out of this in that someone will finally notice that live service games don't go down well with the PS fraternity. It has to do something different and brilliant to thrive.
First Xbox is basically a 'DellPCInABox' with a beefed up graphics card and a few extra ports.
Perhaps Microsoft are on to something here - why don't they just produce a line of PCs which are 'Xbox spec' and allow you to up the CPU & GPU if you want to (a Pro if you like) and make it all plug 'n' play?
And for those who aren't thinking about it, PS4, PS5 and no doubt PS6 will basically be a Unix-PC in a box. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but does make me lament the days of custom chips.
Nintendo live in their own space bubble ever since Sony ditched the PSP and stabbed the Vita in the back.
As for XBox, I've never been a fan but this plan of theirs just seems mad. I must assume that someone high up at M$ has ordered them to recoup some of the money they spent on Activision/Blizzard/Bethesda which wasn't selling consoles. With titles like Indiana Jones they might have stood a chance of people buying the consoles to play an exclusive but porting to PS5 means there is no point to buying M$ hardware.
My 2nd PS5 with disc-drive (son kidnapped the first one) was £344 from Music Magpie in 'Very Good' condition. Actually turned out to be in mint condition and even had an extra 1TB of extra storage (Seagate Firecuda) that someone had forgot or couldn't be bothered to remove!
There are plenty of 2nd hand PS5s out there for much cheaper than this rental lark; PS5s from people who a) used to cosset it before abandoning it for a Pro or b) sold it on because it was a unnecessary alleged upgrade over their PS4. Our local CEX is awash with them.
I'll update my 25xx series Slim tonight then - still gets used for all those games stuck on the old stager. Still think the XMB was one of Sony's finest UI efforts.
@tangyzesty To me, Veilguard was very 'Dragon Age 2'. Not anywhere near Origins or Inquisition levels but enjoyable enough.
Also, very polished with barely a bug or glitch in sight - though I'm still trying to work out what accent my female elf has in the game - sometimes I think it's definitely West Country...?
Weirdest place I went to was Rare's HQ near Twycross/Atherstone in the Nintendo days.
The walls were plastered with all the original artwork for the Ultimate: Play The Game Spectrum titles; Jet Pac, Sabre Wulf, Knight Lore, Underworld, the lot!
Thought the Vita sold about 15-16 million units, didn't it? So Steamdeck has only sold 1/4 of the Vita totals.
Perhaps we'll see another portable option with the PS6 generations (as has already been mooted) because the Vita was a class piece of kit but ended up with a Sony shaped knife in its back.
@Czar_Khastik No, it failed because they were trying to bring something new to the PS5, rather than pointlessly rehashing a PS4 game from a few years earlier. What were they thinking...?
In all seriousness, shame to see another good studio go down for no apparent reason other than the almighty dollar. Off to join the celestial studio choir, alongside Evolution and Studio Liverpool...
If the tariff hike is £30 in the USA, then that will be at least on a par with the rest of the world after PlayStation’s despicable price increase everywhere else apart from their homeland.
Bought my base PS4 during a Black Friday deal in 2014 for £300.
Upgraded to the Pro a few years later as the base unit was getting a bit rattly and noisy and the Pro cost me £300 in a Black Friday sale.
Bunged a 6GB/s SSD in it's internal SATA port for £40 and, due to its super-sampling, the image on our old Sony 1080p TV never looked better.
We have a PS5 upstairs that cost £480 (thanks for your £30 price hike, Fony, which I still think I bought due to a fomo) and we now have a 2nd hand PS5 downstairs that cost £344, including disc drive and an extra 1TB storage that someone had forgotten to remove (nice) from Music Magpie in a Black Friday sale (you can see when I generally shop!)
Our 4K TV is only a standard 60Hz and it absolutely fine for watching TV on and using the PS4 Pro or the PS5.
The amount of upgrading required to see any benefit of the PS5 Pro (if any) would be colossal and I've certainly got better things to spend £1500 on (console + disc drive + 120Hz TV)
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Re: Oblivion PS5 Remake Rumours Are Relentless, Claims of April Shadow Drop
Loved Oblivion - far more than Skyrim, which I just couldn’t get into.
See, these are the remasters/remakes we want - something trapped on the PS3, brought up to date.
Re: Switch Exclusive Disney Illusion Island Appears to Be Coming to PS5
One of the best games on the Switch. Shame if they don't port it to the PS4 as well but I suppose those dev resources have to be put somewhere.
Re: Nintendo Is Displaying Hubris Which Would Make Even PS3 Era Sony Blush
@Ilyn It's a good point. I mean the PS3/4 can only access ~50GB per disc, the HD Blu-ray on the PS5 can access ~100GB per disc.
If the Switch 2 cartridges can only access ~64GB, then they're potentially going to have to download at least a portion of some games, not including online patches. Of course, as we've seen with the Switch, they allow those strange download code in a retail box so I can see that may be the case going forwards - no cartridge required?
Re: Best PS5, PS4 Games Like Mario Kart
None of those games come close but if we stretch a little further back to the PS3 era and we have both Sonic and All Stars Racing titles and even F1 All Stars by Codemasters in 2012?
Re: Nintendo Is Raising the Price of Games with Switch 2
It's simple, wait a few weeks/months and then purchase a physical copy for much less than the store price.
At least Nintendo are attaching a physical drive for the price...
Re: Feature: PS5's Not Perfect, But Here Are 5 Ways It's More Consumer Friendly Than Switch 2
Sony became a lot better from the consumer point of view in the PS4 era.
PS5 though, and the PS3-eque attitude reared up again. And on simple things as well, such as if PS4 saves can be backed up on a USB stick, why not the PS5 saves? Simple, more money from a PS subscription.
Re: Talking Point: What Are Your Thoughts on Potential $80 PS5 Games?
I'd wait for a few weeks and pick up a disc from an online retailer for £10-20 less than the price on the PS Store.
As you say, @RadioHedgeFund, we never asked for game development that cost more than several blockbuster movies.
I mean look at Atomfall. £55 on the store, £45 for a posted disc on Amazon, Game Collection, etc. And that game shows up quite a lot of first party output.
Re: Almost All PS5 Fans Are Against $80 Games
I'd wait for a few weeks and pick up a disc from an online retailer for £20 less than the price on the rip-off PS Store.
No wonder Sony/MS want physical media to die off though weirdly Ninty don't seem to see an end in sight for physical.
Re: Switch 2 Goes for the Kill in Japan By Massively Undercutting PS5's Price
Sony will be fine, but let's not forget that Playstation is now about as Japanese as mom's apple pie these days.
Re: Sony Stealthily Increases the Size of PS5, PS4's Needlessly Restrictive PS Store Wishlist
Wish list should contain "Wish Sony would port the PS4 Store to the PS5". The old stager's store is so much easier to navigate.
Re: Over 70% of PS5 Fans Want Sony to License More of Its Dead Franchises Out
I'm against all these PS4-PS5 remasters ('cos they're pointless) but it's mainly the PS3 era stuff that NEEDS remastering as the PS5 isn't grunty enough to emulate the Cell architecture.
So, we need:
1. Motorstorm
2. Wipeout
3. ModNation Racers
Heck, might as well throw LBP in there too (for 1 & 2 ) as MM aren't working on a new one apparently.
Re: Reaction: Sony's Licensing Strategy May Be the Best Route to Reviving Some of PlayStation's Lost Classics
IPs such as MotorStorm, Wipeout and ModNation Racers are as dead as a dodo but would sell well on the newer PlayStations if they were rebooted so why not lease them out?
Re: Sony Licenses Everybody's Golf to Bandai Namco, Coming to PS5
Let's hope Bandai Namco continue these old IP restarts. I'd buy ModNation Racers and the MotorStorm trilogy if they got the go ahead.
Re: EA Sports F1 25 Ditches Last Gen, Brings Back Braking Point This May on PS5
@Northern_munkey Yep, the PS4 Pro could chuck circa-4K visuals round at 60fps for F1 2021-2024 so I don't think this will be pushing the PS5 to its limits. EA have just made a commercial vs dev time decision. Either that or they need the extra processing power to handle all of Hamilton's bling?
Re: Sony Licenses Everybody's Golf to Bandai Namco, Coming to PS5
Glad to see one of the iconic franchises coming back.
Still miffed that they killed off the majority of the PS4 edition when they shut down the server but I suppose if it didn't have a lot of players, then the server gets shut down.
Be interesting to see who will be hosting the online servers this time - hopefully NOT Sony.
Might go for the Switch version anyway - bought Easy Come Easy Golf (Clap Hanz) a little while ago but it didn't hold a candle to Everybody's Golf on the PS4, PS Vita or even the PSP versions.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for April 2025 Announced
It's almost as if Sony are trying to wean us off PS4 titles being included by providing us with utter tripe....
Re: New PS5 Firmware Update Available from Today in Phased Launch
Stop messing about Sony and give us folders and themes. They won't though.
Lets hope for a significant UI and functionality update for the PS6. With luck they'll boot up a PS3 and PS4 and go 'ohh, so THAT'S what everyone keeps asking for!'
With luck, they could add the PS4's download chip back in too.
Re: Japan's Game Industry on Impressive Rise as Western AAA Development Struggles
"the PS5 is outpacing the PS4" - but only in Trumpland (might as well call it that now) We 'freeloaders' have other ideas.
Perhaps Sony should set up a Studio in Japan - no idea what they could call it...
Re: New PS5 Firmware Update Available from Today in Phased Launch
PS4 does automatically update - at least last time I tried it. I had Diablo 4 and ESO downloading patches as soon as I booted the old stager.
In fact, the PS4 is still far ahead of the PS5 as it can download multiple updates at the same time unlike the 'queued' wonder.
Re: Indiana Jones PS5's Physical Release Requires You to Download the Game
When Sony decide to de-list the game, this disc will still work as the key when you can't see the game on the store.
Re: Everyone's Wondering Whether Sony Will Block PS5 Games on Xbox's Rumoured PC Hardware
@nomither6 You're right - the first Xbox was just a DellPCInABox. It even had an Intel Celery processor.
In many ways, this could make good sense for Microsoft - a pre-built PC with pre-determined specs (maybe with upgrade options) that can happily sit under your TV without looking like an eyesore (I'm looking at you, 5) and play all your PC and Xbox games in one place. Might well end up being cheaper than the PS6? Might even have an HD Blu-ray drive option?
Re: Atomfall (PS5) - British Charm Elevates Riveting Mystery
@LiamCroft Thanks for the reply, Liam. Interestingly, the PS4 disc version advertises a PS5 upgrade available so I assume that'd be like Fallout 4, for example, where the PS4 disc works as the key.
@Steelhead thanks for that. - just had a look and it looks a bit 'jerky'. Couldn't see any mention as to what it was running on (base PS5 or is that the 4?)
Re: Atomfall (PS5) - British Charm Elevates Riveting Mystery
"On the PS5 Pro at least, it all runs excellently too"
@LiamCroft And for we peasants who have a base PS5 or a PS4 (inc. Pro)? What can we expect?
Re: PS5 Sales Continue to Outpace PS4 in the USA, the Best-Selling System Last Month
@nomither6 Yes, my fat one died after about 5.5 years of loyal service (I bought one just after Sony's announcement that they were stopping the 60GB units and replacing them with the non-b/c 40GBs)
Still got my 25xx series Slim though (which can only play 2 generations sadly) and I've still got 3 official DualShock 3s which have outlasted 2 Driftsenses...
Re: PS5 Sales Continue to Outpace PS4 in the USA, the Best-Selling System Last Month
@Shad361 PS3 remains the only PS console capable of playing CDs, DVDs and Blu-rays so it was almost an entertainment centre in itself.
Re: PS5 Sales Continue to Outpace PS4 in the USA, the Best-Selling System Last Month
USA, home of the Xbox - and even the mom's basement dwellers have the intellect to realise what's happening to the Xbox, with all the previous exclusives appearing on the PS5 so why buy an Xbox?
Europe’s a different matter (and yes, I still class we Brits as Europeans) but the PS5 to Xbox Series consoles ratio will continue to widen unless M$ can come up with some way of Xbox being relevant again.
PS4 is still in use by millions of users (don't know if you can even buy one any more but sales fell once the Pro was canned?) but some people can't be bothered to upgrade. Even the most anticipated game of recent weeks, Atomfall, is cross-gen.
Re: PS Plus Members Can Now Use Their PS Portal Like a Legit Retro Handheld
@dodgykebaab Don't hate it - I have no need for it but I do want a full handheld console, as with the PSP and the Vita (hopefully without Sony stabbing it in the back this time!)
Re: PS Plus Members Can Now Use Their PS Portal Like a Legit Retro Handheld
@dodgykebaab Vita can remote play PS4 games so.....yes, just like the Portal.
Also, I can play games in Wi-Fi dead spots (e.g. aeroplane) where the Portal is a door stop.
Re: No Rest for the Wicked Remains Stunning in Extended Gameplay Update
This looks really up my street!
Only problem seems to be the character creation where the bodies seem to indicate a lot of pie eating.
Re: PS Plus Members Can Now Use Their PS Portal Like a Legit Retro Handheld
@Lindy01 If the rumours are true of Sony coming out with a self contained proper handheld alongside the PS6, with that functionality as an option, then I'd be excited.
Re: PS Plus Members Can Now Use Their PS Portal Like a Legit Retro Handheld
Don't remember my PSP, Vita or Switch needing to be connected to the WiFi to play a game...
Re: Another PS5 Live Service Title Does a Concord, Game and Dev to Close Two Weeks After PS5 Launch
Never heard of it and never likely to now.
Sad when an entire studio shuts down but hopefully some good will come out of this in that someone will finally notice that live service games don't go down well with the PS fraternity.
It has to do something different and brilliant to thrive.
Re: 20 Minutes of Pro Atomfall Gameplay Show Off Promising PS5, PS4 Mystery
This looks fab, and not just because I've got heavily into Fallout 4 recently.
Be interested in seeing the differences between the PS4, PS4 Pro and PS5 display options.
Re: A Mind-Melting 1,700 PS5, PS4 Games Discounted in Massive March PS Store Sale
Hades for £8 but apart from that...
Re: LEGO to Bring Game Development In-House, New Studio Created
Expect announcement of various TT staff leaving to join team Lego. They might even get Burton back?
Re: PS6 Could Be the Only High-End Next-Gen Console, As New Xbox Touted to Be a 'PC in Essence'
First Xbox is basically a 'DellPCInABox' with a beefed up graphics card and a few extra ports.
Perhaps Microsoft are on to something here - why don't they just produce a line of PCs which are 'Xbox spec' and allow you to up the CPU & GPU if you want to (a Pro if you like) and make it all plug 'n' play?
And for those who aren't thinking about it, PS4, PS5 and no doubt PS6 will basically be a Unix-PC in a box. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but does make me lament the days of custom chips.
Re: Ex-Xbox Boss Says Console War Has Lost Its 'Feistiness' as Microsoft Goes Multiformat
Nintendo live in their own space bubble ever since Sony ditched the PSP and stabbed the Vita in the back.
As for XBox, I've never been a fan but this plan of theirs just seems mad. I must assume that someone high up at M$ has ordered them to recoup some of the money they spent on Activision/Blizzard/Bethesda which wasn't selling consoles. With titles like Indiana Jones they might have stood a chance of people buying the consoles to play an exclusive but porting to PS5 means there is no point to buying M$ hardware.
Re: Spelunky 2 Scores a Surprise Free PS5 Upgrade
Why? Just.....why? What's next - Manic Miner with ray-tracing?
Re: Sony Expands Its PS5 Console Rental Service to the UK
My 2nd PS5 with disc-drive (son kidnapped the first one) was £344 from Music Magpie in 'Very Good' condition. Actually turned out to be in mint condition and even had an extra 1TB of extra storage (Seagate Firecuda) that someone had forgot or couldn't be bothered to remove!
There are plenty of 2nd hand PS5s out there for much cheaper than this rental lark; PS5s from people who a) used to cosset it before abandoning it for a Pro or b) sold it on because it was a unnecessary alleged upgrade over their PS4. Our local CEX is awash with them.
Re: Sony Remembers the PS3 in Surprise Firmware Update
I'll update my 25xx series Slim tonight then - still gets used for all those games stuck on the old stager. Still think the XMB was one of Sony's finest UI efforts.
Re: Free PS Plus Compensation for Recent PSN Downtime Is Being Issued Now
Haven't got PS+ any more (not since Dec last year) but I also couldn't play any non-disc games either. What do we get for that Sony? Nowt.
Re: PS Plus Essential PS5, PS4 Games for March 2025 Announced
@tangyzesty To me, Veilguard was very 'Dragon Age 2'. Not anywhere near Origins or Inquisition levels but enjoyable enough.
Also, very polished with barely a bug or glitch in sight - though I'm still trying to work out what accent my female elf has in the game - sometimes I think it's definitely West Country...?
Re: Ex-PS Studios Boss Shuhei Yoshida Is Eager for an Invitation to Nintendo HQ
Weirdest place I went to was Rare's HQ near Twycross/Atherstone in the Nintendo days.
The walls were plastered with all the original artwork for the Ultimate: Play The Game Spectrum titles; Jet Pac, Sabre Wulf, Knight Lore, Underworld, the lot!
Re: Gran Turismo 7's Free PS5, PS4 Update Adds 3 New Cars and More Single Player Content
Hope they haven't added any recent Peugeots into the roster 'cos they are butt-ugly vans. Voitures terribles....
Re: Steam Deck's Install Base Estimated to Be About a Third of PS Vita
Thought the Vita sold about 15-16 million units, didn't it? So Steamdeck has only sold 1/4 of the Vita totals.
Perhaps we'll see another portable option with the PS6 generations (as has already been mooted) because the Vita was a class piece of kit but ended up with a Sony shaped knife in its back.
Re: Cancelled Wonder Woman PS5 Game Was 'Gorgeous and Expansive'
@Czar_Khastik No, it failed because they were trying to bring something new to the PS5, rather than pointlessly rehashing a PS4 game from a few years earlier. What were they thinking...?
In all seriousness, shame to see another good studio go down for no apparent reason other than the almighty dollar. Off to join the celestial studio choir, alongside Evolution and Studio Liverpool...
Re: Sony Steps Up PS5 Shipments in an Effort to Avoid Shortages Amid US Tariff Uncertainty
If the tariff hike is £30 in the USA, then that will be at least on a par with the rest of the world after PlayStation’s despicable price increase everywhere else apart from their homeland.
Re: PS5 Maker Faces Lawsuit Over So-Called 'Sony Tax' on Digital Games
That's why it's advisable to always have a disc drive. 47% difference? That's just daylight robbery.
Re: Sony's Pricey PS5 Pro Is Now Being Outpaced by PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
Bought my base PS4 during a Black Friday deal in 2014 for £300.
Upgraded to the Pro a few years later as the base unit was getting a bit rattly and noisy and the Pro cost me £300 in a Black Friday sale.
Bunged a 6GB/s SSD in it's internal SATA port for £40 and, due to its super-sampling, the image on our old Sony 1080p TV never looked better.
We have a PS5 upstairs that cost £480 (thanks for your £30 price hike, Fony, which I still think I bought due to a fomo) and we now have a 2nd hand PS5 downstairs that cost £344, including disc drive and an extra 1TB storage that someone had forgotten to remove (nice) from Music Magpie in a Black Friday sale (you can see when I generally shop!)
Our 4K TV is only a standard 60Hz and it absolutely fine for watching TV on and using the PS4 Pro or the PS5.
The amount of upgrading required to see any benefit of the PS5 Pro (if any) would be colossal and I've certainly got better things to spend £1500 on (console + disc drive + 120Hz TV)
Re: New PS5 Firmware Update Available Now in Beta Phase
Sony. unless it includes themes and folders, don't bother. I hope they're working on a decent UI for the PS6...