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@get2sammyb The PS3 themes would work fine with the unholy PS5 interface - game screens when selected in the XMB or continuing the theme if the game didn't have one or you were on a different function.

Well done Sony - now give us proper themes!

Booting the PS4 Pro and seeing the legacy dynamic theme is so much nicer than the miserable PS5 sound & visuals.

The Lego games seemed to go downhill post PS3, apart from Lego Super Villains on the PS4 which was quite good.
LSW: The Skywalker Saga was nowhere near as much fun as LSW: The Original Trilogy on PS2/PSP or LSW: The Complete Saga on PS3.
Perhaps they are missing the creative talents, such as Jon Burton?

Just cancelled my PS+ sub, first time since the PS3 days. Says it all, really.

Don't know if it's just me but Extra really seems to be going down the drain, with all Sony's emphasis being on the most expensive tier.
I was going to drop down to Essential from Extra this year but instead I've cancelled my subscription.
Only been with PS+ since the PS3 days, Sony, so don't worry about giving loyal customers a discount!

Happy to wait until I can see what the PS6 does (or doesn't) bring to the party.
Hopefully they might have fixed the stick drift by then - you never know!

Sad times. The fun iteration of Sony disappears for good and what are we left with? Hermen....

Whether it does or doesn't get (technically) overtaken, the PS2 will remain the best selling HOME console of all time because the Switch Lite's aren't home consoles.

To me, "by far their biggest game" means don't buy it at the start, wait until all the colossal bug fixes have been distributed.

Be interested to see how it turns out though. In the meantime, I have a hankering to play Lego Indiana Jones on the Vita/PSP.

@MrPeanutbutterz Unfortunately both Studio Liverpool and Evolution are long dead and Sony's first party studios don't seem to have the know-how to even remaster the old ones.
Plus they'd need the green light from Herman and we know how useful he's been in anything not Horizon related....

@Czar_Khastik You'd need a handheld with a disc drive on the back. Hmmm, reminds me of something....

Offline mode?

My PS2 fat one was in the GT3 pack. Good times...

Traveller's Tales make Lego games (even if they're lacking something post-Jon Burton) and they would also have had the sense to release it on PS4 as well.

Who even wanted this anyway? A purely Sony IP not know outside of the PS universe?

1) call is PSP - everyone knew what it was and I got fed up of explaining what a Vita was
2) give it a decent price point so those of us with other commitments can afford it
3) make it backwards compatible with PS4/PS5 games

Thing is, the Vita was and, to a certain point, still is a cracking handheld - just the right size and still feels a lot more premium than the Nintendo/Fisher Price Switch Lite.
The main reason the Vita failed was because Sony put all their efforts behind the PS4 and crippled the handheld (looking at those stupidly priced memory cards) before stabbing it in the back.

My PS+ Extra subscription ends on the 4th December so I've bought some credit for my wallet from ShopTo with a reasonable discount and I'm dropping to Essential.
Thanks for nothing, Sony! Only been with you since the original PlayStation days...

@NoCode23 PS4 Pro is a classic piece of minimalist design.
Yes, folders, themes and the web browser still blow the PS5's woeful UI into touch.

@Almost_Ghostly XSX looks like a bin with an ashtray on top and the XSS looks surprisingly like the house alarm sounder we had at our old place.
They all look terrible, especially considering some past PS designs (PS3 super slim excluded).

To be fair, the Slim with the silver side plates on doesn't look too bad but I've got black plates on my fatty and although it still looks bad, it can at least blend in with the other furniture.

Every PS5 is ugly - hoping someone with working eyes will design the PS6.

Question is, will they ever restock disc drives??

PS+ renews in December - was rather hoping for a discount on extending it.
I'm dropping to Essential from Extra and I've topped up my wallet with ShopTo discount vouchers so thanks for nothing, Sony.

Only PS portable I'd be interested in would be one that doesn't need to be connected to the internet 24-7 to be of any use.
One that you can use on a plane while going on holiday for instance, he says looking at the PSP 3000 and Vita Slim nearby...

Games like Little Big Planet, ModNation Racers and of course Motorstorm spring to mind when people say AA.
Budgets weren't overblown but they were creative and fun.

@RoomWithaMoose You'll be waiting a l-o-n-g time.

@OldGamer999 That's my feeling from the SSD-equipped PS4 Pro to the PS5. Seems like a case of diminishing returns.

I think we have to face it that some games were designed in a particular way to be optimal(ish) on whatever hardware it was designed on and the Pro interfering with it is going to cause some side-effects.
PS4 Supersampling was simpler, rendering a 4K screen and then squashing it to 1080p for the display but this is dynamically tweaking stuff that maybe the game doesn't like.

@Medic_alert I delayed getting the PS3, PS4 and PS5 by (at least) a year so the early adopters could do all the bug reporting before I jumped in.

Admittedly, the PS3 went through a tricky phase with the PS Store going on line with untested firmware updates trashing the hard drive.
Conversely, the PS4 has been as sweet as a nut (and the Pro actually improved all games!)
The PS5's roster of exclusives has been disappointing, but the main problem is the joke Driftsense controllers which still break, whereas the DS3 and DS4 controllers I have are still going strong after over a decade of far more use.

@colonelkilgore That's the trouble - it's still a PS5 - albeit with go-faster stripes.
It is, in many ways, going to be held back by the base console with a few extra bells, whistles and frames.
One reason I'm holding out for the PS6 as that should get all the advances that the Pro might be able to do but as a consistent base on a console that will do it.
The PS4 Pro offered some very useful quality of life improvements over the base one but for PS5 Pro, we'll have to see what support it gets outside of the first party studios.

Good call - hopefully she'll be more of the sassy Lara rather than the whinging one.

@RoomWithaMoose "Third best PS3-born Sony IP after inFamous and The Last of Us."
Nathan Drake and Sackboy say 'Hi'.

Insomniac are under the thumb of their Sony overlords so won't produce anything like Killzone any time soon.

Would love to see a Motorstorm trilogy but with Evolution now part of Codemasters, not going to happen I guess. Talking of Evolution, got my disc copy of Driveclub through the other day and yes, the patches are still live on the PS4 server. That game just doesn't look or feel 10 years old.

@PuppetMaster Remember that the PS3 stores some game data on the hard drive and reads some back from the disc - could it be a worn out/corrupted hard drive? Try the safe menu rebuild database option as a first step.

Glad our Slim is still going OK - only place to play Motorstorm, Modnation Racers, LBP 1 & 2.

@Deljo Yep, if only by a tenner. PS5 slim with disc is £459.99 and no-disc version £369.99

No sign of any disc drives though!

Can PS4 owners buy this or are they banned?

Thank god for the PS4 Store....

@HonestHick I just wish they'd allow the DS4 to be used for PS5 games. It's not as if we'd be losing much, apart from not having to replace the controller every 3 months
(hmmm, maybe that's why? $$$$)

Any news on a physical release?

@HonestHick No reason why it can't run on the PS4 - it's just Guerrilla Games and their Sony overlords dictating that it must only run on the PS5 as they can't be seen to support their other current console(?). Plus, as the DS4 lasts a lot longer than a fruit pastille, they'll hopefully get to sell even more Driftsense controllers.

Extra continues its ever-downward trend. Glad I'm dropping to Essential in December.

@colonelkilgore Really isn't. Only recent highlight on PS4 is Lego Super Villains.
Other than that, you have to go back to the PS3, PS2, PSP and some of the Vita versions.
Seem to have lost a lot without Jon Burton at TT any more.

@AhmadSumadi That sounds like someone who's not played Lego Star Wars - I mean the original ones, not that guff Skywalker Saga that plopped out recently.

I was disappointed that this wasn't coming to the PS4 but it sounds like a dud compared to the Traveller's Tales ones from the PSP, Vita, PS2, PS3 and PS4 era.

@Deoxyr1bose Yet in about a year they'd RAISED the price by £30, for all regions apart from their home country of the USA.
Claimed exchange rates for the hike yet they've still not lowered it by £30 since the rates have become more favourable.
Profiteering bar stewards.

Also, why get a new slim without disc drive when you can get a reconditioned fatty with disc drive direct from Sony for virtually the same money?

"4 The Players" - still a classic tag-line. "Live with 5?" - crap.

Lowered my sub to Essential from Extra when it renews in December.

@ChimpMasta Not sure if the Slim uses any less electricity than the end-of-line fatty (1216?) as the internals are, from what I gathered, very similar apart from the 1TB storage compared to the 825GB on the Tub o' Lard.

I traded in my old Pro and, having been very disappointed with the PS5, bought a mint, end-2019 7200 series Pro (COD packaging) for £160 which is still very quiet.
Shoved a 1TB Crucial SSD inside and it still has pride of place under the TV unit in the lounge. PS5 has black plates and hides upstairs in the spare bedroom so as to not scare the locals.

@Major_Player True but they'll make their money back on the disc drives.

Well, he can afford it....

2.2 million behind PS4? That's falling further behind then? And the PS4 rocketed after that....

PS5 UI still sucks compared to PS3/4.
Personally, I'd be more impressed if they ported the Virtual Earth or the whooshing and swirling PS2 theme...

Waiting for PS6 to see if the actual upgrade will be worth it.
I find myself more interested for what Nintendo are cooking up for 'Switch 2'

@Flaming_Kaiser I think if your internal SSD (not the stick in the expansion slot) dies, you're still stuffed.
Something else the PS4 does better, who'd have thought?
I mean if the PS4 HDD/SSD dies, you're still slightly stuffed but a 1TB SSD via Amazon or similar and you're back up for about £40.

Never mind where to buy a Pro, where do you buy a disc drive?

8K - the resolution no-one wanted or cares about.

@Bobobiwan But F1 2024 looks and runs about the same as on the PS4 Pro (targetting 4k-ish visuals at 60fps) so I'm surprised you found that a selling point?

IGN: "For a lot of people, playing at 30fps isn’t necessarily a dealbreaker, and if you’re happy with that level of performance you might well be happier with a few hundred dollars still in your bank account."

Yeah, just keep playing your PS4 Pro...