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@ecurb7 Oh, I've got a PS5, one of the 1216 (last of the true fatties) models that I got last year. (bundled DS5 started to drift and got replaced - so far so good on the other one).

TBH, though, it's been a big disappointment and using the PS4 Pro with a 6GB/s SSD it just doesn't feel that different (apart form a much worse UI on the misery 5).
Sure, some 60fps upgrades are welcome but Sony's lacklustre release schedule (remasters, remasters and MORE remasters) I can see the point of people who can't be bothered to move to the 5 and a cheap replacement SSD is more affordable if you find load times too long.

If Sony actually produced some next gen titles that would make the PS4 wheeze, I'd probably feel more engaged with it but releasing 'shinier' versions of games I've already played is doing nothing to help.

@ecurb7 That's the speed difference between a mechanical HDD and an SSD.
Similar complaints were made about HZD but I found only a few seconds difference from the reported load times on my SSD Pro.

Jedi Survivor would probably take about 20-30 secs on a Pro with internal SSD. A £40 upgrade made a LOT of difference to mine.

"It’s hypothesised the UK price will be £449.99" - nah, it'll be £499.99 over here as New Sony hates anyone outside of the US.

Did we ever get a price reduction back to £450 for the disc-ed one due to the exchange rates levelling up? Didn't think so...

After the disappointment of DD2, this is the only next gen game I'm looking forward to,
If this turns out to be turkey, think I'll just flog the Tub o' Lard and go back to my trusty PS4 Pro and will wait and see what the PS6 actually offers, not buying based on assumptions of new games again.

Only a 3rd party title is of interest on that list and that's Dragon Age: The Veilguard.
Such a drop in creativity from the PS3/4 days.

Oh well, at least it'll jog my memory for games I have on the PS4 backlog.

PS4. 4 The Players.

Of course it won't run it nearly as well as the PS5, what were they thinking....? Oh wait.
In all seriousness, The XBoneX and Pro look fab - don't get all the dissing. Bet a Pro with SSD would shred that 2 minute load time too.

Remember playing Epic Mickey: The Power Of Two on PS3 which I seem to remember was a 2 player game with Mickey and Oswald - seems like this is a step back?

"63 Days (PS5, PS3)"

Yeah, warm up the Cell and fire up the PS3!

Just pre-ordered Sociable Soccer 25 ....on disc....for the PS4.

Old school.

@Arkham24601 Shove a decent SSD in a PS4 Pro and even the loading times aren't that much of an issue either.

Thought the PS2 cleared 158 million, didn't it?

There are so many games 'trapped' on the PS3 - LBP 1 & 2 (turn the servers back on Sony, ffs!) Motorstorm inc. Pacific Rift and Apocalypse, Modnation Racers to name but a few.

Remasters of PS3 games to PS4 was fine because of the hardware differences but porting PS4 games to the overpriced PS4.5 Pro(ish) is just pathetic.

Been a long time since I said it, but I am seriously considering supporting Nintendo with my pounds sterling if the Switch 2 is good enough.

Despite wrapping it in the classic colours, the PS5 still looks like an ugly turd.

Retro box art looks nice though.

Inquisition is great - and the GOTY being available on the store for about a fiver on some occasions, it's ludicrous value for money these days.

One of those strange cross-platform/generation games, being on the PS3 and PS4. PS4 version was so much better as the PS3 version was s-l-o-w. DA2 was fairly forgettable, whereas DA; Origins was epic (for it's time)

The 'sale' prices are still way more expensive than a physical edition from a raft of well-known, on-line retailers.

@Th3solution And yet what we're waiting for is LBP 1 & 2, Motorstorm, WipeOut, Modnation Racers....

Perhaps it'll have a ray tracing mode that will drop the fps to sub-PS4 levels. Wonder if Aloy will get that god-awful 'just eaten Ready Brek' glow round her again?

This generation sucks on a level I didn't think I'd see. PS3 to PS4 remasters was warranted due to hardware issues but this just sucks.

@Bez87 @BlaizeV I think it's likely that the dev team don't have the resources to support the PS5 and the PS4 (and Pro enhancements).
However, given that this is on the Switch, a port to PS4 would make sense. In fact, I'd go so far to say that I'm surprised it wasn't just a PS4 game with Pro + 5 enhancements.

The PS3 to PS4 generation was so different as the architecture of the PS3 was so wacky and the PS4 was an x64 PC architecture. There was no point trying to cross-gen some titles, LBP 3 being one of the few exceptions, a game which the Plucky Squire reminds me of.
With the PS4 shifting 1 million units on its first day (and M$ shooting themselves in the foot over the XBone) it was obviously going to be a very successful console and so the PS3 was left behind as PC code became easy to port. Despite the nay-sayers, the PS4 and PS5 aren't that dissimilar so x64 Unix code to x64 Unix code and similar SDKs allows a level of cross gen development not seen before.

@Sacrosanctus I think Guerrilla Games are going with the idea that the PS4 doesn't and never has existed. Numpties.

It's losing out on a sizeable number of extra sales. And let's face it, this was never going to be a system seller for the Tub o' Lard.

Probably fixing some things that got broken in patch 1.003. Always the way...

@Khwarezm89 They've already pushed me away - I'm dropping back to Essential in December.

Well given the state of LBP's servers (all dead) then I suppose it could go.
Either that or Sony could get their fingers out of their orifices and boot them up or transfer the content to a working server? But where are the $$$ in that, eh?

Have they added an option to restrict the amount the verbal diarrhoea blathering Pawns talk?

Still think it's bizarre that the PS4 was skipped for this, especially if the Switch can run it.

Wooo, I bet PS4 games will never have looked so good. Apart from the 4 Pro rather than either of its overpriced "successors".

Hope for a disc drive, controllers that last longer than a fruit pastille and a smaller footprint.

Not spent a single penny on this since I bought the game. Might very well get the expansion in Oct as I'm having a blast with a fire sorcerer at the moment.

Still not quite sure why D4 had to be online anyway, but I guess this answers that question. $$$

@JohntheRaptor They can be but I got my boxed slim Vita from them and it was absolutely mint. The rip off part, for me, seems to be the £2.50 per item P&P rather than bundling everything together.

Firmware update 12.00 is available for the PS4 too.
Doesn't seem to do much other than "We’ve improved the messages and usability on some screens.” Probably some more security fixes under the hood.

Looks like the game Dragon's Dogma 2 should have been.

That said, Black Desert looked amazing but played like a turd so who knows? I'll wait for the reviews.

Is it me or is New Sony becoming a bit...."Apple-ish"?
Overpriced hardware which the Sheeple will lap up and everyone else isn't that bothered? Been a problem ever since PS decamped to the USA.

Nintendo's "Switch 2" is going to crush Sony in their actual home country, even more than they are at the moment. PS5 and Xbox wil be level pegging in terms of sales.

@blah01 Fed up with the background game updates on the PS5. It's never going to be as good as the PS4 which had a dedicated chip to handle up to about 5 downloads simultaneously while the 5 can only ever do one at a time and sometimes it still gets stuck at 'Queued', almost like it's got something else on? Swear it's slower to download PS4 titles than the old Pro.

@nomither6 you're right - the PS3's XMB could have a theme running in the background which could be partially obscured by a game screen or carried on with the theme if the game didn't have one. My PS3 has the Virtual Earth for my login and my son has Motorstorm: Arctic Edge.

@Bondi_Surfer Nobody knows.
Best theory so far is that the devs are a small team and only had the PS5 dev system. It certainly isn't because the old stager couldn't run it - still I suppose the PS5 does need the odd game now and again as otherwise I've got a £500 door stop.

@kirkn I think I bought Control: Ultimate Edition for a little bit more than that (£14?) and it's one of THE best games in the PS4's mature years.

@nomither6 Agree with every single one of your points.

So, wait, the USA Tubs o' Lard get a different UI element to the rest of the universe? I know PS is now totally US-centric, but this is taking the pee, isn't it?

@PerpetualBoredom From the PS4 themes section (Legacy Dashboard Theme?) - cost about £1.50 but it was developed by proper Sony, Naughty Dog and some others, using the original PS2 sound files.
Lovely theme and yet we're still waiting for them on the Tub o' Lard's dreary mess of a UI.

Got a PS5, my son has now clogged up the miniscule hard drive with screen and video grabs so I've uninstalled my PS4 games to give him more space and installed them on the PS4 Pro that's still in the living room.

Having a great time, turns out the old stager isn't ready to be pensioned off anytime soon, more comfortable controllers that last longer than a Fruit Pastille and I get greeted by a lovely PS2-theme when I start it up, not some miserable 'You Died' grey sparkle, funeral dirge thing.

Or buy one from CEX and get a 2 year warranty.

Looked forward to it, experienced it, uninstalled it not long after, traded disc in.
Makes the first one look like a masterpiece (which it is, even though it killed 2 fat PS3s)

@Barryburton97 I think with phones, you could buy a bleeding edge Google one for £1,750 or you have the choice to buy a Samsung one that does 95% of the same stuff for a third of that.

Here it's proprietary Sony hardware - no clones available. You're right it's a shock with the expected price as the PS4 Pro was what, £400 brand new? For whatever reason, the cost to build a PS5 hasn't dropped (allegedly, but why then the cheaper to make Slim?) so a model with more stuff in it will cost more (bar the disc drive) Consoles are supposed to be throwaway items when the next one comes in but £700 for a barely better than the last Pro is profiteering at its worst.

I'm hoping beyond hope that Nintendo come out with a Switch 2 that starts to level this playing field.

@LogicStrikesAgain I was about to say, in news from the past, the PS4 Pro also has a boost mode.

My ESO Bosmer says "hi!'.

However, this is exactly why I rarely buy a new game from day 1 as you have to wait months for it to be patched to an acceptable level.

@Pranwell For those who are happy to pay even more to get the generational leap we were promised then that's fine.

Our local CEX is already swamped with PS5s, even some of the fat-slims, so I can only imagine the trade in value is already dropping (supply & demand) and it will just get much worse.

DualSense 5 controllers have always felt cheap and after having the bundled white one going left constantly, it had to be replaced. The replacement is already feeling sub-par despite a lack of use.

I have 3 Official DualShock 3s which are still working fine, I have 4 DualShock 4s which are still working fine whereas the 5s controller just feel brittle.

@Northern_munkey At the current rate of play, looks like the PS4 might outlast it's 'successor'.

And make Fenyx Rising 2 while you're at it.

Startup sound would've been quite different with Robert Palmer, Andy Taylor, John Taylor and Tony Thompson doing the intro...

@OldGamer999 100% increase for a 20% gain in performance (or certainly feels like it at the moment). Total waste of over £500. Fool me once New Sony...

The very existence of the 5 Pro proves that the original wasn't up to snuff. There's no push for 8K TVs like the PS4 Pro was created for 4K displays and people are hoping for 4K @ 60fps - shouldn't the original have been capable of that when the 4 Pro was chucking about 4K @ 30fps?

Be interesting to see if the PS5 Pro is hit by the same caveats as the PS4 Pro in terms of must work on the base console too. Again, sign me up to be interested when the PS6 breaks cover.

I have a PS4 Pro. It cost £300 brand new. All its DS4 controllers still work perfectly.
I have a PS5. It cost £529 with a second controller. The white controller has had to be returned once due to drift and it's feeling a little flimsy again already with minimal use.
No Sony, you won't be getting any more money from me until I see what the PS6 can do.

Psygnosis/Studio Liverpool = dead
Evolution = dead
Media Molecule = Missing in action

That is the problem New Sony has.

Sounds like it's unimpressive - and sounds like we're all still lamenting the demise of Evolution (stupid Sony).
Wonder if the patches are still online for a disc copy of Driveclub?