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Sony could've just cut the price of the console, reversing some of the self-inflicted damage caused by their constant price hikes. Altering firmware and OS details will not reduce the price of a PS5.

I'm still waiting for Sony to reduce the PS5 by the £30 that they said was due to exchange rates but they've never price corrected down, money grabbing bar stewards.

Probably get ported to the Switch 2 first...

Standing on the shoulder of giants - or, in this case, the PS4.

"the panel follows the same design philosophy of the console"
What, overpriced and overweight?

This looks fab! Sort of Fallout meets DmC?

@ItsAlwaysSunnyyy It's simply a case of recouping development costs - 120m PS4s out there so even if 2/3rds of them have also got a PS5 now, that's still a potential 40 million PS4s still going strong. SEGA recently said they they were continuing to develop for PS4 and Switch IF the game could run smoothly on the older platforms and why not?

As for the PS5's mid-life statement, it depends as to when the PS6 rears its head. No-one in their right mind will be buying a PS5 when that gets revealed.

Still can't say I'm interested. I will however pay attention to the (hopefully) proper handheld version of the PS6.
Use my Vita (now sold), PSP and Switch when on holiday - sometimes the WiFi is sub-par and sometimes you're on a plane for a few hours at a time and under those circumstances the Portal would be an expensive brick.
Plus £120 a year for playing games that I already own? No thanks.

This looks like Strider/Turrican from back in the day on the C64/Amiga?

@rjejr No, the problem is that Sony can't be arsed to count after a console reaches a certain age.
It's a baffling state to be in but I think it's something to do with the numbers being so small (relative to what they were) that they don't report on them.
Anyway, I remember seeing the PS2 figures at over 157-158m units several years ago so I don't know why the Nintendoids keep dragging this 155m number from all the time (unless that was the point Sony drew their 'we can't be arsed' line)?
Even Wikipedia now states units sold at 160.63m and the PS Site also says over 160m (https://www.playstation.com/en-us/playstation-history/2000-ps2-psp/)

As I said, they've done exactly the same with the PS4, drawing a line under at 117m consoles even though it was, and still is, selling.

Liked FO3 but for some reason (probably the immediately stumbled on indestructible Radscorpions) I didn't gel with New Vegas.

Sounds like we need to go back to cassette tapes...

Perhaps if Sony reduced the Store prices inline with Amazon's disc prices on a weekly basis, we might download more.

@rjejr @Rhaoulos Just because Sony stopped reporting the numbers doesn't mean it isn't selling any.

For the PS2, to be fair to Ryan (never thought I'd say THAT) he was quoting the count of the range of serial numbers of produced consoles which put the figure over 160m. Try buying a new, in box PS2 and you won't find any so they must've sold all 160m+.

Similarly, Sony said the PS4 topped out at 117.5 million, even though they had by that point ordered another 1 million units to cover off PS5 shortfall. I suspect the PS4 has easily cleared 120 million now.

Was the native PS4 version as bad as the PS5 one?

From other reports, the employees want to put 'Creativity First' but AI is getting in the way.

"our players have shared their reactions of awe, excitement, and surprise at the extraordinary moments they’ve witnessed while playing PS5"

Still waiting...

Let's face it, all the PS5 adverts ("It happens on PS5" and what was the fake news other one? "Alive on 5"??) have all been a bit crap. And is it just me or do you find yourself filling in 2 letters before the "It" too? Sh.

Still not every generation can have "4 the players".

I still think it's tight of Sony to not allow USB saves for PS5 games but are still fine with the PS4 saves (on PS4 or PS5).
Only tend to use PS+ for game saves and occasional drops into Nirn on ESO.

Be interested to know if the PS4 version suffers from the same problem?
He seems to have tested Switch on Switch 2 and PS4 on PS5 but not natively?

"Meanwhile, in the United States, average video game spending between those aged 18 and 24 has plunged by as much as 25%."

Nothing to do with those £70-90 games then?

"Be Sure to Download <insert game name here> Day One Patch"

Isn't that the same for every new game these days?

@blecch Baldur''s Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2 have been remastered for the PS4 already so no need for those.
What we need is Champions of Norrath 1 & 2.

Bought Skyrim & Fallout 4 GOTY edition in a £17 sale bundle off the PS Store for the PS4 many years ago now. The main game is great fun, the expansions less so. Not much point going for the Anniversary version when all it'll be adding is the Creation Club tat.

Took me quite a while to get into Fallout 4 but eventually, I was hooked. Even played through each of the possible endings. Sometimes I go for a wander in the wasteland and find a location that I'd missed before!
The PS5 version seems a little more unstable than the PS4 version (which was far from perfect!) but the 60(ish) fps patch was welcome.

@RoomWithaMoose @Questionable_Duck It was Jim Ryan as he waltzed out of the door leaving us in the live service mess that we're still in now.

I seem to remember it had something to do with the serial number ranges which means that the PS2 had over 160 million units out there.
Just because Sony can't be bothered to count, doesn't mean that people aren't still buying them. Same situation for the PS4, which stopped being counted at 117.5m but has most likely cleared well over 120m units.

I've still got my PS3 Slim after the fatty died after 5.5 years of reliable service with the YLOD. Tried a Super Slim but that was just nasty in every way so I tracked down a 2503 series Slim which is supposed the best, post the original glossy fatty.

@JbumiSandra Should've just bunged a Crucial/Samsung 1TB SSD inside for £40. Makes a big difference to the PS4 Pro (SATA 3) and, I'm led to believe, a reasonable upgrade in the standard (SATA 2).

@Oram77 The disc PS5 launched at £450 before Fony bunged an extra £30 on it for "exchange rate purposes". Despite rates levelling off, we've never had that £30 reduced again.

@nomither6 I still miss having access to a web=browser on the Tub o' Lard. Isn't the best thing in the world on the 4 but it was useful for game hints.

Anyway, PS5 getting "messages and usability on some screens" usually means PS4 update incoming too.

Thing is, in my experience, Genshin Impact has always been a badly optimised POS on the PS4 with fans howling away on a non-visually taxing game so moving to the PS5 just means they can shove more horsepower at it to overcome their iffy coding.

Perhaps SEGA are on to something - make PS4 versions where the hardware allows - but don't start blaming the PS4 hardware when badly optimised code doesn't run well, regardless of the platform..

We've seen some devious ways of getting people to 'upgrade' - I'd still be using my old Sony XA2 phone if I hadn't been sure if it could or couldn't use 4G Calling/VoLTE (hardware = yes, carrier = ???)
Microsoft cause us to upgrade perfectly good hardware to run a worse version of Windows 10 due to some CPU flags in 11. PS5 has very little pull over it's predecessor apart from some 'exclusive' games and if they aren't your bag, why bother?

Not sure what Sony can do that will justify the PS6 at the moment.

Of all the people I know, a few have 4K TVs and a few have 1080p TVs. None of them have 120Hz or 8K displays as there is no broadcasted content which can make use of such a device.

As is often the case, Sony need to concentrate of releasing games that people want to play and are FUN.
I mean, not just 3rd person adventure games (they have their place) but what happened to all the creative stuff that they used to put out? LBP, ModNation Racers and so on have all been abandoned by the wayside. The PS5 has been pretty much a desert in terms of different types of games so perhaps it's time to reach out to those 1st party and 3rd party studios to see what they can offer?
Unfortunately that would involve a Layden-type and we just seem to have soulless suits at the moment.

Just buy an A1 used PS5 (there are so many around!) from Sony or Music Magpie or similar and save yourself £100 or so...

PS5's UI still sucks compared with its predecessor.

If you have the disc, chances are you can download patches, etc, even if it gets de-listed (e.g. Driveclub)

The transition to the PS6 will be difficult.
Sure, the more rabid PS owners will rush out and buy one as soon as it's available (the same people who HAD to have a PS5 even though the scalper prices were so high). However, I think the main problem will be that the more rational people will hang fire given the PS5 launch and the lack of killer titles from launch.
The other problem is Sony's complete lack of engagement with the community. Post-Layden we've had little or totally inappropriate comments from Jim Ryan and his mini-me (Hulst).
I bought an original PS, PS2, PS3 & PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on them. I bought a PS5 on a case of FOMO and could've quite happily not bothered. I, for one, will be waiting a long time until I get a PS6.

Might turn the air blue if it develops random drifting after a short while...

@LiamCroft My apologies - that must've slipped out unannounced at some point then!

@LiamCroft I don't think Goat Simulator 3 ever hit the PS4, did it? Not that it's a great tragedy that it didn't.

I remember Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot over the XBone launch which gave a very relieved Sony a free shot at market dominance again with the PS4.
But current Xbox? That's a whole different level of stupidity...

Unfortunately we needed Xbox to be present in some meaningful way to keep Sony in check so I'm concerned about no competition - perhaps SEGA could give it another go?

@EK42 SEGA said recently that if a game can run on the older hardware then why not?
Probably 40 milltion active PS4s out there is the reason why Sonic Racing: Crossworlds exists on the PS4.

It needs an internet connection to download all the patches (current & future) to get a PS3 game up and limping on the PS5.

The PS3 game and all its expansions got distributed on one 50GB disc and given that the PS5 has a 100GB high-def blue-ray drive, why couldn't it have all the data on it?

Sony's stories getting samey? Well, given the amount of flippin' remasters they keep green lighting when they have so many 'dead' IPs to call on, the stories are going to be same-y 'cos it's a slightly shinier version of a game I've already enjoyed on a PS3/PS4 Pro.

Their 1st party adventure games in the past have been brilliant - not that we've seen much from those studios over the last 2 years.

@Ricky-Spanish The original CUH-7000 series PS4 Pro consoles could get very loud. The 1st revision (CUH-7100) was quieter but the best one is the end-of-the-line CUH-7200 series which were much quieter - keep an eye out for ones in the RDR2 or CoD:MW packaging as these are the 7200 series.

My 7200 is now 6 years old and it still barely makes a noise - when it does kick its fans up it's not as distracting. If needs be, as some of these machines have had a LOT of use over a LOT of years, your local PC shop will be able to apply new thermal paste and one of the latest Delta/Nidec fans to create an eerily quiet one for about £50.
Also, if you get a Pro, replace the internal HDD with a Samsung/Crucial SSD and gain the full benefit of the SATA3 6GB/s interface.

I'd happily do without any subscription apart from a) my odd foray into ESO and b) save game backups which the PS4 has available on a USB stick but not the PS5 game saves (oddly the PS4 saves to local backup are still allowed on The Tub o' Lard).

"security fixes"

Expect incoming PS4 update too then.

Edit: and there it is - 13.02 for PS4

I wonder what state it will be in when it gets released physically?

Given that the full game was on one PS3 GOTY blu-ray and the fatty 5 can read twice as much as that and read data-compressed files so why wouldn't it be one disc? That said, it's going to need to download a series of patches.

Sony effectively shafted Clap Hanz when they killed off Japan Studio so they went off to create a mobile game for Apple Arcade and then that was ported to the Switch under the "Easy Come, Easy Golf" game.
If you want to blame anyone, that lies purely at the door of Sony.

Probably cheaper to make and priced the same just so Sony can up their profits a little bit more...?

Very profitable and they keep selling them for ever increasing prices when the cost of a console has come down (Sony said that the PS5 slim would be cheaper to produce than the original fatties).
When it's cleared over 120m units and overtaken the PS4, then fair enough. Until then, no it isn't. And the PS2 says 'hi' from the top of an unassailable mountain.

Don't think Goat Simulator 3 ever got released for the PS4 - not that it's a problem as it seems far less fun than the chaotic original.

Alan Wake 2 though - that's a nice to have!

The PS4 Pro had a point - 4K displays and improved 1080p.

I still can't see the point of the, frankly overpriced, PS5 Pro unless it was Sony admitting that the original PS5 wasn't up to snuff?

So, Sony want £435 for a Slim with disc drive or £340 for one without.

Thing is, Argos are selling the add-on disc drives for £70 bringing the digital+disc version to £410 so who in their right mind would buy the bundle with the disc drive for an extra £25?

The update doesn't seem to do much as expected. They say some messages have changed (doesn't say which ones) but I suspect it's security loophole fixes and perhaps updating its Blu-ray key as well.

The point is there are TONNES of used PS5 consoles out there - fatties, slims and Pros (a lot of them) - probably due to people upgrading to a Pro (and in some cases selling them again) so why bother buying new when you can get a used one with at least as good a warranty as the Sony original?

My console came from Music Magpie in their end of year Black Friday-esque deals and was described as Very Good condition but when it arrived, there wasn't a mark on it and the extra Seagate Firecuda 1TB was a distinct bonus.