sanderson72

I can see the PS5 and Pro being as they are, paving the way for the PS6 to actually deliver what the PS5 Pro should have been able to do.

I can also see PS3 emulation being able to be run on the PS6 too - the 5 just doesn't have the grunt.

At some point this year, Sony might finally announce the PS4's retirement date. Everything the PS5 is today (apart from the hideous, oversized design & miserable UI) is due to the old stager but as the titles dwindle slowly down, it might be time to give the old stager a rest. I'm hoping that the PS6's UI bases itself on the PS4's UI with themes, folders and just so many other QOL features that the 5 has starved us of.

Will Hulst go? Hope so - he's been invisible ever since Ryan retired. We need a Layden-type back in charge - someone who actually makes us feel good about owning a Playstation and green lights some of the more weird but charming games that the PS5 has been totally bereft of (Astrobot being the only possible exception)

I replaced the white plates on my OG PS5 with the Mcbazel Black PS5 Plates and it looks so much better than the original design.

And some people wonder why some gamers aren't upgrading from a PS4...

I bet M$ can't wait to release an Xbox which is a PC in a box with access to things like Steam. Their recent (aimless?) direction has been totally confusing.

Meanwhile the PS5 sells off the back of the PS4 still.

"$7.99/£5.79 on the PS4 and $9.99/£7.39 on the PS5"

Must be all the ray-tracing...

"Happy Holidays 2019" on the PS4 Pro for me thanks.

Japan felt out of love with Sony's offerings ever since 1) Japan Studio was shuttered and 2) the Vita was stabbed in the back.

They're going to need another handheld "Monster Hunter" moment to gain any traction again.

Bring back Sensible Soccer - the purest, most joyful football game ever.

Sega have already confirmed ongoing support of PS4/Switch IF the game runs OK on the older hardware. That's the reason Sonic: Crossworlds has a PS4 & PS5 release.

It'd be funny if the PS4 (which I think is still being manufactured?) effectively outlasts the 5...

Just upgraded the fan and had the thermal paste replaced in my 7200 series PS4 Pro for about £50. All is quiet and I'd already upgraded the mechanical hard drive for a 6GB/s SSD and load times are not an issue - not as quick as the PS5 but not far off.

@GeeEssEff I think we'd all prefer a new Wipeout but Sony seems to have lost the knack ever since dissolving Studio Liverpool.

Meh, I'm rocking the "Happy Holidays 2019" theme on my PS4 Pro for the festive season.

Hope Sony reintroduce folders and themes for the PS6 UI as they've quite clearly given up for the PS5.

Finally, really got into Fallout 4 this year and, unsurprisingly, it's my most played game!
BroForce still gets an honourable mention!

"Original Sin 2 is getting a PS5 port."

I mean, why? Wasn't the PS4 version good enough? I can't imagine the DriftSense adding much (unless you want to go left constantly)

I'm hoping for more Angelina Jolie rather than Alicia Vikander.

Expect "Dark Perfection" to get listed at some point...

@nessisonett Have to agree!
We have 3 official DualShock 3s with my PS3 which are all still working fine.
We have 4 DualShock 4s all of which are working fine on the PS4 Pro.
We have 2 DriftSense controllers, one of which started going left constantly after less than a year of light use and I'm not entirely sure if the other one isn't exhibiting symptoms.

I can imagine a lot of annoyed PS4 owners if this really is PS5 only, given the main game quite happily still supports the old stager.

That said, it seems a bit like a rip off when the main game is also £25-30.

Another hack loophole closed then.

Never going to be as rock solid stable as the PS4 though - vertically or horizontally.

@Oram77 I'm holding out hope for a PS4 v2.
The PS5 is just ugly and it's compounded by the dreariest UI ever to grace a PS console. Somebody with working eyes on the case and UI would be a step up.

@Jammer I still have my PS4 Pro with an SSD inside and so I don't get much lagging!

Hope Jim Carrey is back as Robotnik!

@AhmadSumadi Yes, it truly is one of the worst games I've ever played on PlayStation, especially when it's supposed to be a classic PS title.
Will be flogging it next time I go into town and will continue with the far superior "Easy Come, Easy Golf" from Clap Hanz on the Switch!

Let's hope that the unholy turd "Everybody's Golf: Hot Shots" (or should that be Nobody's Golf: Luke-warm Shots?) doesn't make the cut!!

Last best game with exciting sequels were the Uncharted games but they were in the PS3/PS4 era. Suppose that just highlights the problem with the PS5 first party titles.

The differences between an SSD-equipped PS4 Pro and the original fatty PS5 have been surprisingly minimal, in my view.

The PS4's UI is superior and felt a lot more friendly than the PS5 UI which is still a car crash after 5 years of miserableness.

Remakes and remasters occupy a large chunk of the PS5's library and most of those weren't needed (remastered PS4 games - why?)
If it hadn't have been standing of the shoulders of the PS4 (still is to a certain extent), the PS5 would've sank without a trace. Some PS4 games run better on the PS5 and some don't. I'd add that the DS4 is still Sony's best controller for ergonomics and looks, way ahead of the uncomfortable and unreliable Driftsense after all this time.

I bought an original Playstation, PS2, PS3 and PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on those systems. The PS5 was the only console I bought on the FOMO and to be honest, I could've not bothered. It's an overpriced, overweight PS4 Pro+.
I'm hoping that the PS6 releases with some reasons to buy as otherwise, I could easily see myself jumping over to the PC. Either way, I'll happily sell the PS5/Tub o' Lard/fridge when the time comes but I'll keep the PS4 Pro to remind me of the good Sony days. I've still got a massive backlog to wade through anyway.

@Oram77 I was one of those that held off on the PS3 until it dropped in price, though the main push to get one was when Sony had just announced that the 60GB PS2 compatible model was being discontinued so I bought one for £350. The following week, all the stockists had none left just the underwhelming 40GB unit.

Until the overrated Tub o' Lard, the PS3 was the most expensive Playstation I'd bought. The original PlayStation was about £230 (with some games), the PS2 was £300 (GT pack), the original 'shiny top' PS4 was £300 & the PS4 Pro was £300 (both PS4s were in Black Friday sales)

Still got our PS3 Slim plugged in under the TV for Worms 2: Armageddon, F1 Race Stars, Motorstorm and so on.
Just a shame that when it can be emulated, all the online stuff is switched off (LBP, Modnation)

THEMES AND FOLDERS, SONY!

That's all, thanks.

Meanwhile, it's almost time to activate the Christmas theme on the PS4 Pro...

@PerpetualBoredom It's up there with the PS2 themed retro one.

@Jammer Unless it's a very cunning plan to get a Pro, you'll find it cheaper to get an A grade used one from Music Magpie, CEX, Sony Direct, etc.

For the PS5's drinking problem, I'd suggest popping off the side panels and see if you can see where the ingress ended up.

I shall be activating my 'Happy Holidays 2019' theme on the PS4 Pro soon but these PS5 "themes" are fairly useless.
I do hope the PS6 comes with a decent UI, more like the 3 or 4.

@Anthony_Daniels You can back up your entire PS5 on a USB stick or portable hard drive, true. But PS4 game saves, on the PS4 or 5, can be copied individually to a USB stick without the need to backup the entire machine.

Sony screw over existing customers AGAIN.
Still, I suppose if you want to backup your PS5 game saves, you've got no option but to pay stingy Sony a minimum of £60 a year,
Meanwhile, PS4 owners just make sure they've got a pen drive to hand...

If you need PS+, buy discounted vouchers from ShopTo to save a few quid.

@get2sammyb The PS5 has been a break even console pretty much since it was launched and the Slim is even cheaper for Sony to manufacture.
Given the ridiculous Sony-inflicted price hikes Japan has seen for the console, it's no wonder it's getting its arse kicked by the Switch 2.
Perhaps Sony could drop the price round the world that arbitrarily increased by £30 due to 'exchange rates' or some other 'we need more profits' excuse.

Still don't understand how a PS5 with nerfed firmware can cost less than a regular one..?

Sony could've just cut the price of the console, reversing some of the self-inflicted damage caused by their constant price hikes. Altering firmware and OS details will not reduce the price of a PS5.

I'm still waiting for Sony to reduce the PS5 by the £30 that they said was due to exchange rates but they've never price corrected down, money grabbing bar stewards.

Probably get ported to the Switch 2 first...

Standing on the shoulder of giants - or, in this case, the PS4.

"the panel follows the same design philosophy of the console"
What, overpriced and overweight?

This looks fab! Sort of Fallout meets DmC?

@ItsAlwaysSunnyyy It's simply a case of recouping development costs - 120m PS4s out there so even if 2/3rds of them have also got a PS5 now, that's still a potential 40 million PS4s still going strong. SEGA recently said they they were continuing to develop for PS4 and Switch IF the game could run smoothly on the older platforms and why not?

As for the PS5's mid-life statement, it depends as to when the PS6 rears its head. No-one in their right mind will be buying a PS5 when that gets revealed.

Still can't say I'm interested. I will however pay attention to the (hopefully) proper handheld version of the PS6.
Use my Vita (now sold), PSP and Switch when on holiday - sometimes the WiFi is sub-par and sometimes you're on a plane for a few hours at a time and under those circumstances the Portal would be an expensive brick.
Plus £120 a year for playing games that I already own? No thanks.

This looks like Strider/Turrican from back in the day on the C64/Amiga?

@rjejr No, the problem is that Sony can't be arsed to count after a console reaches a certain age.
It's a baffling state to be in but I think it's something to do with the numbers being so small (relative to what they were) that they don't report on them.
Anyway, I remember seeing the PS2 figures at over 157-158m units several years ago so I don't know why the Nintendoids keep dragging this 155m number from all the time (unless that was the point Sony drew their 'we can't be arsed' line)?
Even Wikipedia now states units sold at 160.63m and the PS Site also says over 160m (https://www.playstation.com/en-us/playstation-history/2000-ps2-psp/)

As I said, they've done exactly the same with the PS4, drawing a line under at 117m consoles even though it was, and still is, selling.

Liked FO3 but for some reason (probably the immediately stumbled on indestructible Radscorpions) I didn't gel with New Vegas.

Sounds like we need to go back to cassette tapes...

Perhaps if Sony reduced the Store prices inline with Amazon's disc prices on a weekly basis, we might download more.

@rjejr @Rhaoulos Just because Sony stopped reporting the numbers doesn't mean it isn't selling any.

For the PS2, to be fair to Ryan (never thought I'd say THAT) he was quoting the count of the range of serial numbers of produced consoles which put the figure over 160m. Try buying a new, in box PS2 and you won't find any so they must've sold all 160m+.

Similarly, Sony said the PS4 topped out at 117.5 million, even though they had by that point ordered another 1 million units to cover off PS5 shortfall. I suspect the PS4 has easily cleared 120 million now.

Was the native PS4 version as bad as the PS5 one?

From other reports, the employees want to put 'Creativity First' but AI is getting in the way.

"our players have shared their reactions of awe, excitement, and surprise at the extraordinary moments they’ve witnessed while playing PS5"

Still waiting...

Let's face it, all the PS5 adverts ("It happens on PS5" and what was the fake news other one? "Alive on 5"??) have all been a bit crap. And is it just me or do you find yourself filling in 2 letters before the "It" too? Sh.

Still not every generation can have "4 the players".