If people have waited this long to jump onto the PS5 bandwagon, I have no idea why they'd want a new one when mint 2nd hand ones are available for £100s less, in some cases with longer warranties than the new ones.

"we aim to continue to enhance user engagement and further strengthen monetisation through the release of strong titles and the expansion of our service."

In the PS4 era, we never heard about this financial bull - just about the games coming out that people wanted to buy. How about some of that Fony?
I look forward to seeing the specs vs price point but if it's as much as the minor hop from PS4->PS5, I really can't be arsed with the 6.

@Propaperpusher Yep, my lad has recently downloaded it and is loving it so far!

@fasoooli True, but the PS1 had some serious competition - Nintendo, Sega, etc. whereas the PS5 has not cleared the 100 million barrier yet (unlike PS2 or PS4) even though it's been unopposed due to Microsoft's recent incompetence.

Can only hope that Helix gets some traction and puts Sony under a little bit of pressure to behave better but unfortunately I think the fun days of Playstation are behind them.

So, it still hasn't cleared the PS1, looks to be way off target to surpass the PS4 and is a light-year away from the PS2? Right, got it.

@Zookbag £300? That seems rather low if the Yanks are being offered $400?? Maybe that's a Trump Tariff price?

My 2nd hand mint PS5 disc fatty only cost £344 from Music Magpie! Even came with a 'free' 1TB Seagate expansion.that someone forgot to remove.

My PS5 is shoved down the side of the TV unit so I don't have to look at the eyesore....
Wish Sony would allow us to use the still-superior DS4s on the PS5. They won't because the DS5s break with alarming regularity and then you have to buy a new one = $$$$ony.

@ShadowRJ Too true - it was about the raiding of tombs! One reason that I never got on with the survivor trilogy, I suspect, though a non-sassy Lara didn't help either.

The fan was probably handing her the DS5 to see if she knew how to stop the stick drift.

Just waiting for Push Square to report on people's PS5 crashing out and taking out chunks of their SSDs in the process.
Honestly this game is massive so there are going to be a stream of bug fixes released over then next few weeks to get it to a usable state. Even load/save functions aren't guaranteed to work from the off these days.

@Dogbreath Codemasters, as a separate entity, disappeared some time ago when they were absorbed into the s***storm that is EA. No more TOCA, no more WRC, just more banal F1 iterations.

@Matthewnh Ah, DMA Design bring back good memories! I always assumed named for Direct Memory Access, the way that the Amiga's custom chips didn't need to bother the CPU when doing graphics and sound.

@dskatter Well, that's one!

Wonder how long it'll be before those rather naff-looking decals wear away?

Not in the market for another Driftsense at the moment as I'm waiting for our 3rd unit to be returned from the repair shop due to an overwhelming desire to go left. Worst PS controllers ever...

Don't know anyone with a dedicated UHD Blu-ray player (not counting PS5s) or indeed any UHD Blu-ray discs.

Didn't even pay £480-£580 for a PS5 so no, no PS6 for me thanks!

That price, Sony's attitudes to customers and, yes, the disc thing are all reasons I won't be going Sony next time, and that's after supporting them for the last ~30 years.

Sorry, but I've just had to spend £29 to get yet another Driftsense mended.

There was a much better and cheaper set of black plates for the fatty with disc drive that curved with the black innards. Not seen anything as nice for the not-so-slim or Pro?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Faceplates-Mcbazel-Replacement-Faceplate-Slim-Black/dp/B0BSFGGTTV?crid=1OG09GG89JNE4&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.UMu8WPoJMWAXk3bdNaZahOPEqZwu4GBEGve-NMQ7VeB4tOQdKc2mkjl196zhreX63yTL0wb2U_MITvZj9GwXauc4n2F0yHfv0aFuhKsTo1yiRFGmUhGdbwqQJzNvHTZlG9lCzkidcvmpQ2G4TRB33SZUk6SHMFtSBUq952JDqaMVFhVqkmW8jV4yxz5O_3-SrAl3X5dCVS34BarmDHQT0BQGYnh8cxRv7FvsJSrBHpE.kQnCa1Zg9F9Kge_E1qV-d3eA3DBKEMAlemyWvDnhzXc&dib_tag=se&keywords=playstation%2B5%2Bplates&qid=1791897532&sprefix=playstation%2B5%2Bplate%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-4&th=1

Don't know why anyone would buy a new PS5.
Need a PS5? Track down a mint/boxed one from Music Magpie, CEX, Cash Converters, etc. and save £100 to £200 over the price of a new 6-year old tech console. Fatties, so-called-Slims and Pros, with or without disc drives, all as ugly as sin and all available used for much less.

Wonder if Lando and Oscar will make an appearance? It been a while since we had F1 comedy such as 'Tooned'!

Yay, ANOTHER Souls-like game. Just what the PS5 doesn't need.

The PS5 UI is still a total mess so adding anime cack to get in the way seems typical for Sony these days.

Still not quite sure why anyone would buy a new PS5 at the moment given the insulting price rise, rather than getting an 'as new' boxed one for about £100 to £200 less (standard or Pro)

Immortals: Fenyx Rising for £3.49 is an absolute steal.

PS1 was a true innovation but 'PS1 was created with the intent to "change the world", Ken? No it was to kick traitorous Nintendo in the knackers.
PS2 was PS1 on steroids and there was still innovation.
PS3 got off to a very rocky start but eventually had some iconic games, such as Uncharted, LBP 1 & 2, ModNation Racers, etc.
PS4 was a shift that suddenly allowed us some more PC style games along with the wacky innovations.

Then we get to the PS5 which has been a dull corporate squib. Given the current management, I can't see the PS6 any better unless they put someone who 'gets gaming' in charge.

@johndoe89 PS3 was the last CD compatible PlayStation.

Security & stability, eh? Expect PS4 update incoming...

Still no folders or themes - never going to get them are we....?

Give us a custom character creator!

@ShadowRJ Yes, I'm getting the 'thanks for completing the survey' message too. Must know I have 3 PS consoles, all of which have a disc drive.

And still the PS5 UI sucks compared to its dad.

With the death of GAME, we only have Argos and CEX stores nearby who sell physical games.
Even using discounted wallet top ups from the likes of ShopTo, physical games are just cheaper than the comedy prices on the PS Store.
A physical games should not be £10 to £20 cheaper than digital but they are because there is bulk-buying and competition from the likes of ShopTo, GameCollection, Amazon, etc.

I lament the death of physical media, not particularly from a collecting point of view, but because no discounted discs means we have to pay whatever price Fony demand and we can't trade it in when we're done with it.

Still trying to get into DD2 - it just doesn't seem as gripping as the first on the PS3/4?

Still missing loads of the QoL PS4 features

Was never likely to have a big impact - if you like playing on a PlayStation exclusively,, chances are you will have switched it on and played a game.
My PS5 and PS4 Pro were switched off because I was on holiday so not sure if that really counts.

Sony will probably feel the hit when the PS6 launches if it's overpriced and has no disc drive so all the PS5 and PS4 discs wouldn't work.
The rabid Sony supporters will buy one but I suspect that the PS6 will prove an even tougher sell than the little hop from PS4-PS5.

So it scores way below some games that were on PS3 and PS4 (with or without a PS5 re-tweak)? Blimey, didn't expect that from Insomniac....

Sony couldn't be any less clear if they tried! So they are still going to be producing discs but something about a number of 10% might or might not be involved... Nice to know.

Only way to get through to Sony these days is to not give them money. Treat Sony with the same level of contempt as was needed in the PS3 launch era and with the same contempt they've shown their customers in this vile PS5 era.

If the PS6 comes disc drive-less, then only the rabid ones will cast aside their PS5s and Pros to embrace the next monolith.
Anyone with discs will probably ignore it and casual gamers won''t bother..
Kind of hope Project Helix launches first (as per 360 era) and gains a decent foothold - be interesting to see how Sony reacts to that as its revenue...er, I mean customers, drift away.

Wasn't overly impressed with DD2 (considering I played DD to death on the PS4 and the PS3 - which got killed playing it!)

Might be worth trying it again to see if I can gel with it now they've finished the game 2 years later...

@BecauseBecause I seem to remember Super Stardust was one of the first games I bought on the PS3?? I still remember being disappointed that the inter-level warp from the Amiga version wasn't included.

@BecauseBecause Oh yes! Still have it and the Amiga Format(?) cover disc with with limited play copy involving the warping to the next level! Must dig out the A1200 from the loft....

PS2 was the last all-physical console as the disc contained a play-tested game.

Sony won't change their direction now - they're too big-headed to do so now (true PS3 launch Sony)
What it will do is give the Switch 2 a big push (not that it needs it) as a near 50/50% on physical to digital releases gives it a big advantage.

I'm not zealous about physical games but at £10 to £20 cheaper than the Store prices plus the ability to play when the Sony's account authorisation servers go down (such as last year's AWS issue) give a clear advantage over the digital prices and access.

"how to monetise those users is quite important for us.”

Says it all really.
Translation seems to be "we can't flog any more units of our 6 year old, overpriced console so instead we'll screw the loyal user base"

Well, as one of the user base of some 30 years, count me out.

It's not just Herman — his sort-of predecessor Ryan was equally as clueless. Thing is, we don't even know what he's been doing as he never engages with the fans. Not a peep since he took over from Jimbob.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - PS5 is only successful because it's standing on the shoulders of the PS4 and the work that Shuhei, Tretton, House and Layden put in towards producing an astonishing console with a varied and interesting software line up and engaging with customers and developers alike.
If it wasn't backwards compatible the PS5 would have sunk without trace.

Sony have now burnt through all that PS4 era goodwill and now they seem entirely clueless as to what made them successful.

@Robocod Yes, Motorstorm needs to come back though we've lost the devs now so....
As for LBP 1 & 2, and ModNation Racers, just imagine the revenue that Sony could generate from bringing those back online and charging more for all the crazy costumes that your sackboy could be adorned in and extra textures for use in the levels.
Unfortunately we've seen what some of Sony's reboots can look like (Everybody's Golf: Hot Shots - shudder)

Without someone like Shawn Layden in charge (a games fan), talking to the fans, I think PlayStation’s past is going to be ignored or trashed.

Even when a game is de-listed, you should still be able to access it if you bought it before. I recently picked up a disc of Driveclub for the PS4 and all the patches are still present online though the game is no longer visible online.

Personally, I only like discs over digital as after a game gets released, after about 3-4 weeks those disc versions are £10 to £20 cheaper due to competition.
I have concerns as to when Sony controls the only way to buy a game.

@Rich33 No offence intended, my tongue was permanently in my cheek!

All I was referring to was that as the disc version releases later, chances are that by the time the disc comes out, the game will already be on patch 1.01 or 1.02 by then and all the killer bugs will be fixed.

Waiting for a review and then it'll be a physical disc for me thanks!

Nice of the digital downloaders to play-test for us physical types so all the bugs can be patched when we slip the disc into the drive.

Good timing - I'm on holiday and will not be taking my overweight tub o' lard with me, transferring my gaming to the Switch & PSP (Everybody's Golf preloaded - I'm taking a leaf out of Shawn Layden's book).

Hmmm, not even a sign of the disc drive PS5 on the ads any more?

Let's face it, the rabid PS owners will buy the PS6, regardless of price/games/etc.
If it comes with an add-on disc drive for backwards compatibility with PS4/5 disc games, you'll get a few more turn up.

I do find it odd, even from the fevered minds of the suits at Sony, that they wouldn't keep physical going until the end of the PS5 era and then go digital only for PS6. However, doing this would put them in a potential quandary as a lot of people with physical discs wouldn't upgrade and are free to explore other platforms such as PC and Switch 2. As long as the PS5, and to a lesser extent PS4, are still supported, the PS6 is going to have an uphill struggle.

@get2sammyb My point is that 4k @ 60fps with ray tracing seems, at least up to now, to be way beyond the ageing hardware in the base PS5.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Insomniac and what they've produced in the past, such as Tools Of Destruction on the PS3 which still looks astonishing, and they're capable of pushing hardware to new limits BUT something will have to give way to get 60FPS with Ray Tracing and the only thing is resolution so that's why I ask.

"60fps with ray tracing enabled" on the base PS5 but at what resolution? 1080p?

@Redefaul Well said!

If it's yet another Souls-a-like then count me out but if it's an RPG, then I might be interested.