Sega have already confirmed ongoing support of PS4/Switch IF the game runs OK on the older hardware. That's the reason Sonic: Crossworlds has a PS4 & PS5 release.
It'd be funny if the PS4 (which I think is still being manufactured?) effectively outlasts the 5...
Just upgraded the fan and had the thermal paste replaced in my 7200 series PS4 Pro for about £50. All is quiet and I'd already upgraded the mechanical hard drive for a 6GB/s SSD and load times are not an issue - not as quick as the PS5 but not far off.
@nessisonett Have to agree!
We have 3 official DualShock 3s with my PS3 which are all still working fine.
We have 4 DualShock 4s all of which are working fine on the PS4 Pro.
We have 2 DriftSense controllers, one of which started going left constantly after less than a year of light use and I'm not entirely sure if the other one isn't exhibiting symptoms.
@Oram77 I'm holding out hope for a PS4 v2.
The PS5 is just ugly and it's compounded by the dreariest UI ever to grace a PS console. Somebody with working eyes on the case and UI would be a step up.
@Jammer I still have my PS4 Pro with an SSD inside and so I don't get much lagging!
@AhmadSumadi Yes, it truly is one of the worst games I've ever played on PlayStation, especially when it's supposed to be a classic PS title. Will be flogging it next time I go into town and will continue with the far superior "Easy Come, Easy Golf" from Clap Hanz on the Switch!
Last best game with exciting sequels were the Uncharted games but they were in the PS3/PS4 era. Suppose that just highlights the problem with the PS5 first party titles.
The differences between an SSD-equipped PS4 Pro and the original fatty PS5 have been surprisingly minimal, in my view.
The PS4's UI is superior and felt a lot more friendly than the PS5 UI which is still a car crash after 5 years of miserableness.
Remakes and remasters occupy a large chunk of the PS5's library and most of those weren't needed (remastered PS4 games - why?)
If it hadn't have been standing of the shoulders of the PS4 (still is to a certain extent), the PS5 would've sank without a trace. Some PS4 games run better on the PS5 and some don't. I'd add that the DS4 is still Sony's best controller for ergonomics and looks, way ahead of the uncomfortable and unreliable Driftsense after all this time.
I bought an original Playstation, PS2, PS3 and PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on those systems. The PS5 was the only console I bought on the FOMO and to be honest, I could've not bothered. It's an overpriced, overweight PS4 Pro+.
I'm hoping that the PS6 releases with some reasons to buy as otherwise, I could easily see myself jumping over to the PC. Either way, I'll happily sell the PS5/Tub o' Lard/fridge when the time comes but I'll keep the PS4 Pro to remind me of the good Sony days. I've still got a massive backlog to wade through anyway.
@Oram77 I was one of those that held off on the PS3 until it dropped in price, though the main push to get one was when Sony had just announced that the 60GB PS2 compatible model was being discontinued so I bought one for £350. The following week, all the stockists had none left just the underwhelming 40GB unit.
Until the overrated Tub o' Lard, the PS3 was the most expensive Playstation I'd bought. The original PlayStation was about £230 (with some games), the PS2 was £300 (GT pack), the original 'shiny top' PS4 was £300 & the PS4 Pro was £300 (both PS4s were in Black Friday sales)
Still got our PS3 Slim plugged in under the TV for Worms 2: Armageddon, F1 Race Stars, Motorstorm and so on.
Just a shame that when it can be emulated, all the online stuff is switched off (LBP, Modnation)
I shall be activating my 'Happy Holidays 2019' theme on the PS4 Pro soon but these PS5 "themes" are fairly useless.
I do hope the PS6 comes with a decent UI, more like the 3 or 4.
@Anthony_Daniels You can back up your entire PS5 on a USB stick or portable hard drive, true. But PS4 game saves, on the PS4 or 5, can be copied individually to a USB stick without the need to backup the entire machine.
Sony screw over existing customers AGAIN.
Still, I suppose if you want to backup your PS5 game saves, you've got no option but to pay stingy Sony a minimum of £60 a year,
Meanwhile, PS4 owners just make sure they've got a pen drive to hand...
If you need PS+, buy discounted vouchers from ShopTo to save a few quid.
@get2sammyb The PS5 has been a break even console pretty much since it was launched and the Slim is even cheaper for Sony to manufacture. Given the ridiculous Sony-inflicted price hikes Japan has seen for the console, it's no wonder it's getting its arse kicked by the Switch 2. Perhaps Sony could drop the price round the world that arbitrarily increased by £30 due to 'exchange rates' or some other 'we need more profits' excuse.
Sony could've just cut the price of the console, reversing some of the self-inflicted damage caused by their constant price hikes. Altering firmware and OS details will not reduce the price of a PS5.
I'm still waiting for Sony to reduce the PS5 by the £30 that they said was due to exchange rates but they've never price corrected down, money grabbing bar stewards.
@ItsAlwaysSunnyyy It's simply a case of recouping development costs - 120m PS4s out there so even if 2/3rds of them have also got a PS5 now, that's still a potential 40 million PS4s still going strong. SEGA recently said they they were continuing to develop for PS4 and Switch IF the game could run smoothly on the older platforms and why not?
As for the PS5's mid-life statement, it depends as to when the PS6 rears its head. No-one in their right mind will be buying a PS5 when that gets revealed.
Still can't say I'm interested. I will however pay attention to the (hopefully) proper handheld version of the PS6.
Use my Vita (now sold), PSP and Switch when on holiday - sometimes the WiFi is sub-par and sometimes you're on a plane for a few hours at a time and under those circumstances the Portal would be an expensive brick.
Plus £120 a year for playing games that I already own? No thanks.
@rjejr No, the problem is that Sony can't be arsed to count after a console reaches a certain age.
It's a baffling state to be in but I think it's something to do with the numbers being so small (relative to what they were) that they don't report on them.
Anyway, I remember seeing the PS2 figures at over 157-158m units several years ago so I don't know why the Nintendoids keep dragging this 155m number from all the time (unless that was the point Sony drew their 'we can't be arsed' line)?
Even Wikipedia now states units sold at 160.63m and the PS Site also says over 160m (https://www.playstation.com/en-us/playstation-history/2000-ps2-psp/)
As I said, they've done exactly the same with the PS4, drawing a line under at 117m consoles even though it was, and still is, selling.
@rjejr @Rhaoulos Just because Sony stopped reporting the numbers doesn't mean it isn't selling any.
For the PS2, to be fair to Ryan (never thought I'd say THAT) he was quoting the count of the range of serial numbers of produced consoles which put the figure over 160m. Try buying a new, in box PS2 and you won't find any so they must've sold all 160m+.
Similarly, Sony said the PS4 topped out at 117.5 million, even though they had by that point ordered another 1 million units to cover off PS5 shortfall. I suspect the PS4 has easily cleared 120 million now.
"our players have shared their reactions of awe, excitement, and surprise at the extraordinary moments they’ve witnessed while playing PS5"
Still waiting...
Let's face it, all the PS5 adverts ("It happens on PS5" and what was the fake news other one? "Alive on 5"??) have all been a bit crap. And is it just me or do you find yourself filling in 2 letters before the "It" too? Sh.
Still not every generation can have "4 the players".
I still think it's tight of Sony to not allow USB saves for PS5 games but are still fine with the PS4 saves (on PS4 or PS5). Only tend to use PS+ for game saves and occasional drops into Nirn on ESO.
Bought Skyrim & Fallout 4 GOTY edition in a £17 sale bundle off the PS Store for the PS4 many years ago now. The main game is great fun, the expansions less so. Not much point going for the Anniversary version when all it'll be adding is the Creation Club tat.
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Re: Japan's New Language Locked PS5 Hasn't Made a Massive Difference to the Format's Domestic Fortunes
Japan felt out of love with Sony's offerings ever since 1) Japan Studio was shuttered and 2) the Vita was stabbed in the back.
They're going to need another handheld "Monster Hunter" moment to gain any traction again.
Re: The FIFA Video Game Will Return, on Netflix of All Places
Bring back Sensible Soccer - the purest, most joyful football game ever.
Re: PS4 Will Still Get New Games in 2027
Sega have already confirmed ongoing support of PS4/Switch IF the game runs OK on the older hardware. That's the reason Sonic: Crossworlds has a PS4 & PS5 release.
It'd be funny if the PS4 (which I think is still being manufactured?) effectively outlasts the 5...
Re: PS4 Will Still Get New Games in 2027
Just upgraded the fan and had the thermal paste replaced in my 7200 series PS4 Pro for about £50. All is quiet and I'd already upgraded the mechanical hard drive for a 6GB/s SSD and load times are not an issue - not as quick as the PS5 but not far off.
Re: Star Wars Racing Games Are Back in Galactic Racer, Out for PS5 in 2026
@GeeEssEff I think we'd all prefer a new Wipeout but Sony seems to have lost the knack ever since dissolving Studio Liverpool.
Re: PS5's Welcome Hub Adds Its Cosiest Animated Wallpaper Yet, Complete with ASMR Audio
Meh, I'm rocking the "Happy Holidays 2019" theme on my PS4 Pro for the festive season.
Hope Sony reintroduce folders and themes for the PS6 UI as they've quite clearly given up for the PS5.
Re: PlayStation Wrap-Up 2025 Live Now, Get Your Gaming Stats for the Year
Finally, really got into Fallout 4 this year and, unsurprisingly, it's my most played game!
BroForce still gets an honourable mention!
Re: Rumour: Mystery Game Awards Reveal May Be a New Divinity RPG, as Original Sin 2 PS5 Port Leaks
"Original Sin 2 is getting a PS5 port."
I mean, why? Wasn't the PS4 version good enough? I can't imagine the DriftSense adding much (unless you want to go left constantly)
Re: New Tomb Raider Reveal Confirmed for The Game Awards
I'm hoping for more Angelina Jolie rather than Alicia Vikander.
Re: Xbox Ruthlessly Cancelled Perfect Dark, But Take-Two Just Hired Its Directors
Expect "Dark Perfection" to get listed at some point...
Re: 'It's a Huge Upgrade': PS5 Pro Poised to Improve Massively in 2026
@nessisonett Have to agree!
We have 3 official DualShock 3s with my PS3 which are all still working fine.
We have 4 DualShock 4s all of which are working fine on the PS4 Pro.
We have 2 DriftSense controllers, one of which started going left constantly after less than a year of light use and I'm not entirely sure if the other one isn't exhibiting symptoms.
Re: Gran Turismo 7's Power Pack DLC Is a $30 PS5 Add-On
I can imagine a lot of annoyed PS4 owners if this really is PS5 only, given the main game quite happily still supports the old stager.
That said, it seems a bit like a rip off when the main game is also £25-30.
Re: New PS5 Firmware Update Available from Today, Here's What It Does
Another hack loophole closed then.
Never going to be as rock solid stable as the PS4 though - vertically or horizontally.
Re: 'What If I, Y'Know, Design the Next Console?': How Mark Cerny Pitched Himself as PS4's Architect
@Oram77 I'm holding out hope for a PS4 v2.
The PS5 is just ugly and it's compounded by the dreariest UI ever to grace a PS console. Somebody with working eyes on the case and UI would be a step up.
@Jammer I still have my PS4 Pro with an SSD inside and so I don't get much lagging!
Re: At Least Two More Sonic Movies Are Speeding Our Way by 2028
Hope Jim Carrey is back as Robotnik!
Re: PS Blog Wants Your PS5 Game of the Year Nominations for 2025
@AhmadSumadi Yes, it truly is one of the worst games I've ever played on PlayStation, especially when it's supposed to be a classic PS title.
Will be flogging it next time I go into town and will continue with the far superior "Easy Come, Easy Golf" from Clap Hanz on the Switch!
Re: PS Blog Wants Your PS5 Game of the Year Nominations for 2025
Let's hope that the unholy turd "Everybody's Golf: Hot Shots" (or should that be Nobody's Golf: Luke-warm Shots?) doesn't make the cut!!
Re: Talking Point: Does PS5 Have a Sequel Problem?
Last best game with exciting sequels were the Uncharted games but they were in the PS3/PS4 era. Suppose that just highlights the problem with the PS5 first party titles.
Re: Poll: Five Years of PS5 - How Would You Rate Sony's Console?
The differences between an SSD-equipped PS4 Pro and the original fatty PS5 have been surprisingly minimal, in my view.
The PS4's UI is superior and felt a lot more friendly than the PS5 UI which is still a car crash after 5 years of miserableness.
Remakes and remasters occupy a large chunk of the PS5's library and most of those weren't needed (remastered PS4 games - why?)
If it hadn't have been standing of the shoulders of the PS4 (still is to a certain extent), the PS5 would've sank without a trace. Some PS4 games run better on the PS5 and some don't. I'd add that the DS4 is still Sony's best controller for ergonomics and looks, way ahead of the uncomfortable and unreliable Driftsense after all this time.
I bought an original Playstation, PS2, PS3 and PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on those systems. The PS5 was the only console I bought on the FOMO and to be honest, I could've not bothered. It's an overpriced, overweight PS4 Pro+.
I'm hoping that the PS6 releases with some reasons to buy as otherwise, I could easily see myself jumping over to the PC. Either way, I'll happily sell the PS5/Tub o' Lard/fridge when the time comes but I'll keep the PS4 Pro to remind me of the good Sony days. I've still got a massive backlog to wade through anyway.
Re: You Can Buy a Fully-Fledged PS5 for the Same Price as a Less Powerful Xbox Series S Right Now
@Oram77 I was one of those that held off on the PS3 until it dropped in price, though the main push to get one was when Sony had just announced that the 60GB PS2 compatible model was being discontinued so I bought one for £350. The following week, all the stockists had none left just the underwhelming 40GB unit.
Until the overrated Tub o' Lard, the PS3 was the most expensive Playstation I'd bought. The original PlayStation was about £230 (with some games), the PS2 was £300 (GT pack), the original 'shiny top' PS4 was £300 & the PS4 Pro was £300 (both PS4s were in Black Friday sales)
Re: 'We Believe It's Feasible': Emulation Studio Working on PS3 Support for Modern Consoles
Still got our PS3 Slim plugged in under the TV for Worms 2: Armageddon, F1 Race Stars, Motorstorm and so on.
Just a shame that when it can be emulated, all the online stuff is switched off (LBP, Modnation)
Re: PS5 Testing Slideshow Wallpapers for Popular Welcome Hub Feature
THEMES AND FOLDERS, SONY!
That's all, thanks.
Meanwhile, it's almost time to activate the Christmas theme on the PS4 Pro...
Re: PS5 Welcome Hub Update Adds New Stat Tracking, Backgrounds
@PerpetualBoredom It's up there with the PS2 themed retro one.
Re: November 2025 PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Available to Download Now
@Jammer Unless it's a very cunning plan to get a Pro, you'll find it cheaper to get an A grade used one from Music Magpie, CEX, Sony Direct, etc.
For the PS5's drinking problem, I'd suggest popping off the side panels and see if you can see where the ingress ended up.
Re: PS5 Welcome Hub Update Adds New Stat Tracking, Backgrounds
I shall be activating my 'Happy Holidays 2019' theme on the PS4 Pro soon but these PS5 "themes" are fairly useless.
I do hope the PS6 comes with a decent UI, more like the 3 or 4.
Re: PS Plus Gets a Decent Black Friday Discount, But There's a Catch for Existing Members
@Anthony_Daniels You can back up your entire PS5 on a USB stick or portable hard drive, true. But PS4 game saves, on the PS4 or 5, can be copied individually to a USB stick without the need to backup the entire machine.
Re: PS Plus Gets a Decent Black Friday Discount, But There's a Catch for Existing Members
Sony screw over existing customers AGAIN.
Still, I suppose if you want to backup your PS5 game saves, you've got no option but to pay stingy Sony a minimum of £60 a year,
Meanwhile, PS4 owners just make sure they've got a pen drive to hand...
If you need PS+, buy discounted vouchers from ShopTo to save a few quid.
Re: PlayStation CEO Pushed Through Cut-Price PS5 in Japan After Seeing System Slump Against Switch 2
@get2sammyb The PS5 has been a break even console pretty much since it was launched and the Slim is even cheaper for Sony to manufacture.
Given the ridiculous Sony-inflicted price hikes Japan has seen for the console, it's no wonder it's getting its arse kicked by the Switch 2.
Perhaps Sony could drop the price round the world that arbitrarily increased by £30 due to 'exchange rates' or some other 'we need more profits' excuse.
Re: PlayStation CEO Pushed Through Cut-Price PS5 in Japan After Seeing System Slump Against Switch 2
Still don't understand how a PS5 with nerfed firmware can cost less than a regular one..?
Re: Here's Why Sony Is Making a Japan-Specific PS5 Console
Sony could've just cut the price of the console, reversing some of the self-inflicted damage caused by their constant price hikes. Altering firmware and OS details will not reduce the price of a PS5.
I'm still waiting for Sony to reduce the PS5 by the £30 that they said was due to exchange rates but they've never price corrected down, money grabbing bar stewards.
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO for Mobile and PC, Prompting Fury from PS5 Fans
Probably get ported to the Switch 2 first...
Re: PS5 Is the Second Fastest Selling PlayStation Ever in the US, Despite Price Hikes and Production Issues
Standing on the shoulder of giants - or, in this case, the PS4.
Re: PS5 Is Getting an Official 27" Monitor with DualSense Charging Functionality
"the panel follows the same design philosophy of the console"
What, overpriced and overweight?
Re: Bonkers PS5 RPG Showa American Story Has to Wait Until 2026
This looks fab! Sort of Fallout meets DmC?
Re: PS5 'In the Middle' of Its Lifecycle, Claims Sony
@ItsAlwaysSunnyyy It's simply a case of recouping development costs - 120m PS4s out there so even if 2/3rds of them have also got a PS5 now, that's still a potential 40 million PS4s still going strong. SEGA recently said they they were continuing to develop for PS4 and Switch IF the game could run smoothly on the older platforms and why not?
As for the PS5's mid-life statement, it depends as to when the PS6 rears its head. No-one in their right mind will be buying a PS5 when that gets revealed.
Re: 'PS Portal Users Are More Engaged Than Non-Users': Sony's Hit Handheld Outperforms All Other Remote Play Methods
Still can't say I'm interested. I will however pay attention to the (hopefully) proper handheld version of the PS6.
Use my Vita (now sold), PSP and Switch when on holiday - sometimes the WiFi is sub-par and sometimes you're on a plane for a few hours at a time and under those circumstances the Portal would be an expensive brick.
Plus £120 a year for playing games that I already own? No thanks.
Re: PS5 Indie Games from PlayStation's Hero Projects Are Getting Seriously Impressive
This looks like Strider/Turrican from back in the day on the C64/Amiga?
Re: PS2 Set to Remain King of Consoles as Nintendo Switch Sales Start to Stall
@rjejr No, the problem is that Sony can't be arsed to count after a console reaches a certain age.
It's a baffling state to be in but I think it's something to do with the numbers being so small (relative to what they were) that they don't report on them.
Anyway, I remember seeing the PS2 figures at over 157-158m units several years ago so I don't know why the Nintendoids keep dragging this 155m number from all the time (unless that was the point Sony drew their 'we can't be arsed' line)?
Even Wikipedia now states units sold at 160.63m and the PS Site also says over 160m (https://www.playstation.com/en-us/playstation-history/2000-ps2-psp/)
As I said, they've done exactly the same with the PS4, drawing a line under at 117m consoles even though it was, and still is, selling.
Re: Fallout: New Vegas Dev Knows 'Everyone on the Internet' Is Desperate for a Sequel
Liked FO3 but for some reason (probably the immediately stumbled on indestructible Radscorpions) I didn't gel with New Vegas.
Re: Study Claims Physical PS5 Games Are 100 Times Worse for the Planet Than Digital Downloads
Sounds like we need to go back to cassette tapes...
Perhaps if Sony reduced the Store prices inline with Amazon's disc prices on a weekly basis, we might download more.
Re: PS2 Set to Remain King of Consoles as Nintendo Switch Sales Start to Stall
@rjejr @Rhaoulos Just because Sony stopped reporting the numbers doesn't mean it isn't selling any.
For the PS2, to be fair to Ryan (never thought I'd say THAT) he was quoting the count of the range of serial numbers of produced consoles which put the figure over 160m. Try buying a new, in box PS2 and you won't find any so they must've sold all 160m+.
Similarly, Sony said the PS4 topped out at 117.5 million, even though they had by that point ordered another 1 million units to cover off PS5 shortfall. I suspect the PS4 has easily cleared 120 million now.
Re: Sony's Allowing Mortal Kombat Legacy Kollection Refunds Because the PS5, PS4 Compilation Is a 'Downright Nightmare' for Some
Was the native PS4 version as bad as the PS5 one?
Re: EA Believes AI Will Empower Its Employees to Put 'Creativity First'
From other reports, the employees want to put 'Creativity First' but AI is getting in the way.
Re: 'It Happens on PS5': New PlayStation Adverts Mark Five Years of PS5
"our players have shared their reactions of awe, excitement, and surprise at the extraordinary moments they’ve witnessed while playing PS5"
Still waiting...
Let's face it, all the PS5 adverts ("It happens on PS5" and what was the fake news other one? "Alive on 5"??) have all been a bit crap. And is it just me or do you find yourself filling in 2 letters before the "It" too? Sh.
Still not every generation can have "4 the players".
Re: Talking Point: If Xbox Drops the Cost, Would You Be Happy Still Paying for PS6 Multiplayer?
I still think it's tight of Sony to not allow USB saves for PS5 games but are still fine with the PS4 saves (on PS4 or PS5).
Only tend to use PS+ for game saves and occasional drops into Nirn on ESO.
Re: Mortal Kombat Legacy Kollection Underfire for 'Atrocious' Input Lag on PS5
Be interested to know if the PS4 version suffers from the same problem?
He seems to have tested Switch on Switch 2 and PS4 on PS5 but not natively?
Re: Talking Point: Is PS5 Really in Competition with TikTok?
"Meanwhile, in the United States, average video game spending between those aged 18 and 24 has plunged by as much as 25%."
Nothing to do with those £70-90 games then?
Re: Be Sure to Download The Outer Worlds 2's Day One Patch Before Playing on PS5
"Be Sure to Download <insert game name here> Day One Patch"
Isn't that the same for every new game these days?
Re: Sony's Social Media Tribute to the PS2 Borders on Insulting
@blecch Baldur''s Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2 have been remastered for the PS4 already so no need for those.
What we need is Champions of Norrath 1 & 2.
Re: Mark 10 Years of Fallout 4 with a PS5, PS4 Re-Release Next Month
Bought Skyrim & Fallout 4 GOTY edition in a £17 sale bundle off the PS Store for the PS4 many years ago now. The main game is great fun, the expansions less so. Not much point going for the Anniversary version when all it'll be adding is the Creation Club tat.