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I can imagine a lot of annoyed PS4 owners if this really is PS5 only, given the main game quite happily still supports the old stager.

That said, it seems a bit like a rip off when the main game is also £25-30.

Another hack loophole closed then.

Never going to be as rock solid stable as the PS4 though - vertically or horizontally.

@Oram77 I'm holding out hope for a PS4 v2.
The PS5 is just ugly and it's compounded by the dreariest UI ever to grace a PS console. Somebody with working eyes on the case and UI would be a step up.

@Jammer I still have my PS4 Pro with an SSD inside and so I don't get much lagging!

Hope Jim Carrey is back as Robotnik!

@AhmadSumadi Yes, it truly is one of the worst games I've ever played on PlayStation, especially when it's supposed to be a classic PS title.
Will be flogging it next time I go into town and will continue with the far superior "Easy Come, Easy Golf" from Clap Hanz on the Switch!

Let's hope that the unholy turd "Everybody's Golf: Hot Shots" (or should that be Nobody's Golf: Luke-warm Shots?) doesn't make the cut!!

Last best game with exciting sequels were the Uncharted games but they were in the PS3/PS4 era. Suppose that just highlights the problem with the PS5 first party titles.

The differences between an SSD-equipped PS4 Pro and the original fatty PS5 have been surprisingly minimal, in my view.

The PS4's UI is superior and felt a lot more friendly than the PS5 UI which is still a car crash after 5 years of miserableness.

Remakes and remasters occupy a large chunk of the PS5's library and most of those weren't needed (remastered PS4 games - why?)
If it hadn't have been standing of the shoulders of the PS4 (still is to a certain extent), the PS5 would've sank without a trace. Some PS4 games run better on the PS5 and some don't. I'd add that the DS4 is still Sony's best controller for ergonomics and looks, way ahead of the uncomfortable and unreliable Driftsense after all this time.

I bought an original Playstation, PS2, PS3 and PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on those systems. The PS5 was the only console I bought on the FOMO and to be honest, I could've not bothered. It's an overpriced, overweight PS4 Pro+.
I'm hoping that the PS6 releases with some reasons to buy as otherwise, I could easily see myself jumping over to the PC. Either way, I'll happily sell the PS5/Tub o' Lard/fridge when the time comes but I'll keep the PS4 Pro to remind me of the good Sony days. I've still got a massive backlog to wade through anyway.

@Oram77 I was one of those that held off on the PS3 until it dropped in price, though the main push to get one was when Sony had just announced that the 60GB PS2 compatible model was being discontinued so I bought one for £350. The following week, all the stockists had none left just the underwhelming 40GB unit.

Until the overrated Tub o' Lard, the PS3 was the most expensive Playstation I'd bought. The original PlayStation was about £230 (with some games), the PS2 was £300 (GT pack), the original 'shiny top' PS4 was £300 & the PS4 Pro was £300 (both PS4s were in Black Friday sales)

Still got our PS3 Slim plugged in under the TV for Worms 2: Armageddon, F1 Race Stars, Motorstorm and so on.
Just a shame that when it can be emulated, all the online stuff is switched off (LBP, Modnation)

THEMES AND FOLDERS, SONY!

That's all, thanks.

Meanwhile, it's almost time to activate the Christmas theme on the PS4 Pro...

@PerpetualBoredom It's up there with the PS2 themed retro one.

@Jammer Unless it's a very cunning plan to get a Pro, you'll find it cheaper to get an A grade used one from Music Magpie, CEX, Sony Direct, etc.

For the PS5's drinking problem, I'd suggest popping off the side panels and see if you can see where the ingress ended up.

I shall be activating my 'Happy Holidays 2019' theme on the PS4 Pro soon but these PS5 "themes" are fairly useless.
I do hope the PS6 comes with a decent UI, more like the 3 or 4.

@Anthony_Daniels You can back up your entire PS5 on a USB stick or portable hard drive, true. But PS4 game saves, on the PS4 or 5, can be copied individually to a USB stick without the need to backup the entire machine.

Sony screw over existing customers AGAIN.
Still, I suppose if you want to backup your PS5 game saves, you've got no option but to pay stingy Sony a minimum of £60 a year,
Meanwhile, PS4 owners just make sure they've got a pen drive to hand...

If you need PS+, buy discounted vouchers from ShopTo to save a few quid.

@get2sammyb The PS5 has been a break even console pretty much since it was launched and the Slim is even cheaper for Sony to manufacture.
Given the ridiculous Sony-inflicted price hikes Japan has seen for the console, it's no wonder it's getting its arse kicked by the Switch 2.
Perhaps Sony could drop the price round the world that arbitrarily increased by £30 due to 'exchange rates' or some other 'we need more profits' excuse.

Still don't understand how a PS5 with nerfed firmware can cost less than a regular one..?

Sony could've just cut the price of the console, reversing some of the self-inflicted damage caused by their constant price hikes. Altering firmware and OS details will not reduce the price of a PS5.

I'm still waiting for Sony to reduce the PS5 by the £30 that they said was due to exchange rates but they've never price corrected down, money grabbing bar stewards.

Probably get ported to the Switch 2 first...

Standing on the shoulder of giants - or, in this case, the PS4.

"the panel follows the same design philosophy of the console"
What, overpriced and overweight?

This looks fab! Sort of Fallout meets DmC?

@ItsAlwaysSunnyyy It's simply a case of recouping development costs - 120m PS4s out there so even if 2/3rds of them have also got a PS5 now, that's still a potential 40 million PS4s still going strong. SEGA recently said they they were continuing to develop for PS4 and Switch IF the game could run smoothly on the older platforms and why not?

As for the PS5's mid-life statement, it depends as to when the PS6 rears its head. No-one in their right mind will be buying a PS5 when that gets revealed.

Still can't say I'm interested. I will however pay attention to the (hopefully) proper handheld version of the PS6.
Use my Vita (now sold), PSP and Switch when on holiday - sometimes the WiFi is sub-par and sometimes you're on a plane for a few hours at a time and under those circumstances the Portal would be an expensive brick.
Plus £120 a year for playing games that I already own? No thanks.

This looks like Strider/Turrican from back in the day on the C64/Amiga?

@rjejr No, the problem is that Sony can't be arsed to count after a console reaches a certain age.
It's a baffling state to be in but I think it's something to do with the numbers being so small (relative to what they were) that they don't report on them.
Anyway, I remember seeing the PS2 figures at over 157-158m units several years ago so I don't know why the Nintendoids keep dragging this 155m number from all the time (unless that was the point Sony drew their 'we can't be arsed' line)?
Even Wikipedia now states units sold at 160.63m and the PS Site also says over 160m (https://www.playstation.com/en-us/playstation-history/2000-ps2-psp/)

As I said, they've done exactly the same with the PS4, drawing a line under at 117m consoles even though it was, and still is, selling.

Liked FO3 but for some reason (probably the immediately stumbled on indestructible Radscorpions) I didn't gel with New Vegas.

Sounds like we need to go back to cassette tapes...

Perhaps if Sony reduced the Store prices inline with Amazon's disc prices on a weekly basis, we might download more.

@rjejr @Rhaoulos Just because Sony stopped reporting the numbers doesn't mean it isn't selling any.

For the PS2, to be fair to Ryan (never thought I'd say THAT) he was quoting the count of the range of serial numbers of produced consoles which put the figure over 160m. Try buying a new, in box PS2 and you won't find any so they must've sold all 160m+.

Similarly, Sony said the PS4 topped out at 117.5 million, even though they had by that point ordered another 1 million units to cover off PS5 shortfall. I suspect the PS4 has easily cleared 120 million now.

Was the native PS4 version as bad as the PS5 one?

From other reports, the employees want to put 'Creativity First' but AI is getting in the way.

"our players have shared their reactions of awe, excitement, and surprise at the extraordinary moments they’ve witnessed while playing PS5"

Still waiting...

Let's face it, all the PS5 adverts ("It happens on PS5" and what was the fake news other one? "Alive on 5"??) have all been a bit crap. And is it just me or do you find yourself filling in 2 letters before the "It" too? Sh.

Still not every generation can have "4 the players".

I still think it's tight of Sony to not allow USB saves for PS5 games but are still fine with the PS4 saves (on PS4 or PS5).
Only tend to use PS+ for game saves and occasional drops into Nirn on ESO.

Be interested to know if the PS4 version suffers from the same problem?
He seems to have tested Switch on Switch 2 and PS4 on PS5 but not natively?

"Meanwhile, in the United States, average video game spending between those aged 18 and 24 has plunged by as much as 25%."

Nothing to do with those £70-90 games then?

"Be Sure to Download <insert game name here> Day One Patch"

Isn't that the same for every new game these days?

@blecch Baldur''s Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2 have been remastered for the PS4 already so no need for those.
What we need is Champions of Norrath 1 & 2.

Bought Skyrim & Fallout 4 GOTY edition in a £17 sale bundle off the PS Store for the PS4 many years ago now. The main game is great fun, the expansions less so. Not much point going for the Anniversary version when all it'll be adding is the Creation Club tat.

Took me quite a while to get into Fallout 4 but eventually, I was hooked. Even played through each of the possible endings. Sometimes I go for a wander in the wasteland and find a location that I'd missed before!
The PS5 version seems a little more unstable than the PS4 version (which was far from perfect!) but the 60(ish) fps patch was welcome.

@RoomWithaMoose @Questionable_Duck It was Jim Ryan as he waltzed out of the door leaving us in the live service mess that we're still in now.

I seem to remember it had something to do with the serial number ranges which means that the PS2 had over 160 million units out there.
Just because Sony can't be bothered to count, doesn't mean that people aren't still buying them. Same situation for the PS4, which stopped being counted at 117.5m but has most likely cleared well over 120m units.

I've still got my PS3 Slim after the fatty died after 5.5 years of reliable service with the YLOD. Tried a Super Slim but that was just nasty in every way so I tracked down a 2503 series Slim which is supposed the best, post the original glossy fatty.

@JbumiSandra Should've just bunged a Crucial/Samsung 1TB SSD inside for £40. Makes a big difference to the PS4 Pro (SATA 3) and, I'm led to believe, a reasonable upgrade in the standard (SATA 2).

@Oram77 The disc PS5 launched at £450 before Fony bunged an extra £30 on it for "exchange rate purposes". Despite rates levelling off, we've never had that £30 reduced again.

@nomither6 I still miss having access to a web=browser on the Tub o' Lard. Isn't the best thing in the world on the 4 but it was useful for game hints.

Anyway, PS5 getting "messages and usability on some screens" usually means PS4 update incoming too.

Thing is, in my experience, Genshin Impact has always been a badly optimised POS on the PS4 with fans howling away on a non-visually taxing game so moving to the PS5 just means they can shove more horsepower at it to overcome their iffy coding.

Perhaps SEGA are on to something - make PS4 versions where the hardware allows - but don't start blaming the PS4 hardware when badly optimised code doesn't run well, regardless of the platform..

We've seen some devious ways of getting people to 'upgrade' - I'd still be using my old Sony XA2 phone if I hadn't been sure if it could or couldn't use 4G Calling/VoLTE (hardware = yes, carrier = ???)
Microsoft cause us to upgrade perfectly good hardware to run a worse version of Windows 10 due to some CPU flags in 11. PS5 has very little pull over it's predecessor apart from some 'exclusive' games and if they aren't your bag, why bother?

Not sure what Sony can do that will justify the PS6 at the moment.

Of all the people I know, a few have 4K TVs and a few have 1080p TVs. None of them have 120Hz or 8K displays as there is no broadcasted content which can make use of such a device.

As is often the case, Sony need to concentrate of releasing games that people want to play and are FUN.
I mean, not just 3rd person adventure games (they have their place) but what happened to all the creative stuff that they used to put out? LBP, ModNation Racers and so on have all been abandoned by the wayside. The PS5 has been pretty much a desert in terms of different types of games so perhaps it's time to reach out to those 1st party and 3rd party studios to see what they can offer?
Unfortunately that would involve a Layden-type and we just seem to have soulless suits at the moment.

Just buy an A1 used PS5 (there are so many around!) from Sony or Music Magpie or similar and save yourself £100 or so...

PS5's UI still sucks compared with its predecessor.

If you have the disc, chances are you can download patches, etc, even if it gets de-listed (e.g. Driveclub)

The transition to the PS6 will be difficult.
Sure, the more rabid PS owners will rush out and buy one as soon as it's available (the same people who HAD to have a PS5 even though the scalper prices were so high). However, I think the main problem will be that the more rational people will hang fire given the PS5 launch and the lack of killer titles from launch.
The other problem is Sony's complete lack of engagement with the community. Post-Layden we've had little or totally inappropriate comments from Jim Ryan and his mini-me (Hulst).
I bought an original PS, PS2, PS3 & PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on them. I bought a PS5 on a case of FOMO and could've quite happily not bothered. I, for one, will be waiting a long time until I get a PS6.

Might turn the air blue if it develops random drifting after a short while...