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PS4 security update 13.04 has landed too so Sony are obviously closing some loopholes.

@MrPeanutbutterz Well the PS4 Pro is a little different as it has a 6GB/s SATA 3 interface whereas the base PS4 just has a 3GB/s SATA 2.
To put it in context, the PS5 has a 5GB/s interface with transmission rates going up to 9GB/s when using compressed data and the Kraken hardware.
Only other difference would be the clock/DMA speed and bandwidth of the bus so from that point of view, obviously the PS5 is be quicker (9GB/s with compressed data vs 6GB/s with no compression) given its newer hardware. Thing is, given what everyone said about the SSD (don't get me wrong, it's nice to have one as standard) I wasn't blown away.

You're doing well on the DS5 front and most people on this site seem to have had at least 1 drift failure.

@MrPeanutbutterz Not sure about Death Stranding 2 but I did some tests on Horizon Zero Dawn a year or two ago and it took the PS5 about 8 seconds to load a save game while the Pro clocked up a perfectly respectable 12 seconds. Fallout 4 seems to takes anywhere up to double the time that the PS5 does so hardly a hardship.

I've still got 3 official DS3 controllers for my PS3 with no drift. I've got 4 controllers with my PS4 and no drift. I've got 2 controllers with my PS5 and one of them started going left constantly. While I appreciate the fact that ll the controller parts are made by one company, the DS5 does seem a lot more susceptible to drift. Wish Sony would allow us to use the DS4 with the all PS5 games but they wouldn't cut off that revenue stream.

I'm emulating all those great PS3 moments by playing on a DS3 on a PS3 Slim.

@datamonkey To be fair, Sony says "to upgrade to a PS5 console." but it''s Push Square that says "to upgrade your PS5 console.".
Even upgrading the PS5 has become more expensive with 1TB SSDs costing upwards of £100 whereas my Pros 1TB 2.5" SSD cost about £40.

@JustMyOpinion I bought my mint condition PS5 fatty disc version from Music Magpie for £344 and it came with a 1TB expansion that someone forgot to take out so you can get cheap deals on the 5. Didn't give any money to Fony either.
Question is, is it a much better console? UI is much worse, the controllers are uncomfortable and the load times aren't much better than my Pro, with only the Kraken decompression hardware doing a reasonable job so the load times are faster. Inability to download multiple things at once is a total backwards step though.

Hopefully the PS6 will come with some real purchase reasons, plus a better looking case than the current eyesore and better controllers wouldn't hurt either, as I've already had to return 1 DriftSense due to constantly going left whereas the DS4s are still going strong despite them being much older and having much more use.

@LifeGirl Absolutely spot on! I bought an original PlayStation, PS2, PS3 and PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on those generation of systems. PS5 was totally due to FOMO and it is still a disappointment, especially coming from a PS4 Pro with an SSD inside.

It's a bit like Microsoft nagging us to upgrade to Win 11 when it's a worse experience than 10 and 10 is still getting updates if you sign up.

PS4 version expected then?

PS6 has been delayed even though we had no idea when it was due anyway?

PS3 is the earliest I go these days after my fat 60GB PS3 died with the YLOD after about 5.5 years solid service.

I don't bother trying to track down new, using CEX/eBay for anything on the PS3 or PSP (sold the Vita last year after many years of non-use). Recently bought a cheap copy of Lego Indiana Jones 2 for the PSP in excellent condition and still had the manual!

Black Desert looked amazing but played like a total turd so I'll wait to see what this reviews like...

Stopped believing anything Ubisoft says after they cancelled the Fenyx sequel.

Still got my Slim PS3 with 3 official DS3 controllers for this very reason.
Maybe the PS6 will be grunty enough to emulate the Cell and its SPUs but I suspect the PS5 would just melt (might look better though)

@DennisReynolds Dunno really - I prefer the PS4 UI and the DS4 controllers are still way nicer to hold than the DS5. It has a USB stick in the front port to back up game saves outside of PS+.
In my experience, some games play better on the PS5 and some don't.
As for hard drive speed, well, the PS4 Pro's SATA 3 is rated at up to 6GB/s and the PS5 is anywhere between 5 (uncompressed) - 9 (compressed) GB/s. True the PS5 is quicker (probably more bus speed and clock frequency) but not by as much as I thought.

Still play on my PS4 Pro with SSD, even though there is a PS5 sitting grotesquely in the corner nearby.

Is it a problem not having PS4 only games? Well, there are far more bangers on the PS4 than the 5 so I wonder what stuff PS+ will start getting if they are going to prioritise PS5-only games - can't imagine them giving away AAA titles all the time so we could be running out of decent games quite soon.

Just because a game is on PS4 & PS5 doesn't make it invalid to include it. Ultimately, to me, it doesn't matter which platform the game is on so long as the game is fun.

In unsurprising news, the PS5 is being utterly battered by the Switch 2 in Japan.
Those Xbox numbers are dire - I'm just waiting for the PS4 to either overtake them or drop so low that they're selling even less than the old stager.

I can see the PS5 and Pro being as they are, paving the way for the PS6 to actually deliver what the PS5 Pro should have been able to do.

I can also see PS3 emulation being able to be run on the PS6 too - the 5 just doesn't have the grunt.

At some point this year, Sony might finally announce the PS4's retirement date. Everything the PS5 is today (apart from the hideous, oversized design & miserable UI) is due to the old stager but as the titles dwindle slowly down, it might be time to give the old stager a rest. I'm hoping that the PS6's UI bases itself on the PS4's UI with themes, folders and just so many other QOL features that the 5 has starved us of.

Will Hulst go? Hope so - he's been invisible ever since Ryan retired. We need a Layden-type back in charge - someone who actually makes us feel good about owning a Playstation and green lights some of the more weird but charming games that the PS5 has been totally bereft of (Astrobot being the only possible exception)

I replaced the white plates on my OG PS5 with the Mcbazel Black PS5 Plates and it looks so much better than the original design.

And some people wonder why some gamers aren't upgrading from a PS4...

I bet M$ can't wait to release an Xbox which is a PC in a box with access to things like Steam. Their recent (aimless?) direction has been totally confusing.

Meanwhile the PS5 sells off the back of the PS4 still.

"$7.99/£5.79 on the PS4 and $9.99/£7.39 on the PS5"

Must be all the ray-tracing...

"Happy Holidays 2019" on the PS4 Pro for me thanks.

Japan felt out of love with Sony's offerings ever since 1) Japan Studio was shuttered and 2) the Vita was stabbed in the back.

They're going to need another handheld "Monster Hunter" moment to gain any traction again.

Bring back Sensible Soccer - the purest, most joyful football game ever.

Sega have already confirmed ongoing support of PS4/Switch IF the game runs OK on the older hardware. That's the reason Sonic: Crossworlds has a PS4 & PS5 release.

It'd be funny if the PS4 (which I think is still being manufactured?) effectively outlasts the 5...

Just upgraded the fan and had the thermal paste replaced in my 7200 series PS4 Pro for about £50. All is quiet and I'd already upgraded the mechanical hard drive for a 6GB/s SSD and load times are not an issue - not as quick as the PS5 but not far off.

@GeeEssEff I think we'd all prefer a new Wipeout but Sony seems to have lost the knack ever since dissolving Studio Liverpool.

Meh, I'm rocking the "Happy Holidays 2019" theme on my PS4 Pro for the festive season.

Hope Sony reintroduce folders and themes for the PS6 UI as they've quite clearly given up for the PS5.

Finally, really got into Fallout 4 this year and, unsurprisingly, it's my most played game!
BroForce still gets an honourable mention!

"Original Sin 2 is getting a PS5 port."

I mean, why? Wasn't the PS4 version good enough? I can't imagine the DriftSense adding much (unless you want to go left constantly)

I'm hoping for more Angelina Jolie rather than Alicia Vikander.

Expect "Dark Perfection" to get listed at some point...

@nessisonett Have to agree!
We have 3 official DualShock 3s with my PS3 which are all still working fine.
We have 4 DualShock 4s all of which are working fine on the PS4 Pro.
We have 2 DriftSense controllers, one of which started going left constantly after less than a year of light use and I'm not entirely sure if the other one isn't exhibiting symptoms.

I can imagine a lot of annoyed PS4 owners if this really is PS5 only, given the main game quite happily still supports the old stager.

That said, it seems a bit like a rip off when the main game is also £25-30.

Another hack loophole closed then.

Never going to be as rock solid stable as the PS4 though - vertically or horizontally.

@Oram77 I'm holding out hope for a PS4 v2.
The PS5 is just ugly and it's compounded by the dreariest UI ever to grace a PS console. Somebody with working eyes on the case and UI would be a step up.

@Jammer I still have my PS4 Pro with an SSD inside and so I don't get much lagging!

Hope Jim Carrey is back as Robotnik!

@AhmadSumadi Yes, it truly is one of the worst games I've ever played on PlayStation, especially when it's supposed to be a classic PS title.
Will be flogging it next time I go into town and will continue with the far superior "Easy Come, Easy Golf" from Clap Hanz on the Switch!

Let's hope that the unholy turd "Everybody's Golf: Hot Shots" (or should that be Nobody's Golf: Luke-warm Shots?) doesn't make the cut!!

Last best game with exciting sequels were the Uncharted games but they were in the PS3/PS4 era. Suppose that just highlights the problem with the PS5 first party titles.

The differences between an SSD-equipped PS4 Pro and the original fatty PS5 have been surprisingly minimal, in my view.

The PS4's UI is superior and felt a lot more friendly than the PS5 UI which is still a car crash after 5 years of miserableness.

Remakes and remasters occupy a large chunk of the PS5's library and most of those weren't needed (remastered PS4 games - why?)
If it hadn't have been standing of the shoulders of the PS4 (still is to a certain extent), the PS5 would've sank without a trace. Some PS4 games run better on the PS5 and some don't. I'd add that the DS4 is still Sony's best controller for ergonomics and looks, way ahead of the uncomfortable and unreliable Driftsense after all this time.

I bought an original Playstation, PS2, PS3 and PS4 because there were games I wanted to play on those systems. The PS5 was the only console I bought on the FOMO and to be honest, I could've not bothered. It's an overpriced, overweight PS4 Pro+.
I'm hoping that the PS6 releases with some reasons to buy as otherwise, I could easily see myself jumping over to the PC. Either way, I'll happily sell the PS5/Tub o' Lard/fridge when the time comes but I'll keep the PS4 Pro to remind me of the good Sony days. I've still got a massive backlog to wade through anyway.

@Oram77 I was one of those that held off on the PS3 until it dropped in price, though the main push to get one was when Sony had just announced that the 60GB PS2 compatible model was being discontinued so I bought one for £350. The following week, all the stockists had none left just the underwhelming 40GB unit.

Until the overrated Tub o' Lard, the PS3 was the most expensive Playstation I'd bought. The original PlayStation was about £230 (with some games), the PS2 was £300 (GT pack), the original 'shiny top' PS4 was £300 & the PS4 Pro was £300 (both PS4s were in Black Friday sales)

Still got our PS3 Slim plugged in under the TV for Worms 2: Armageddon, F1 Race Stars, Motorstorm and so on.
Just a shame that when it can be emulated, all the online stuff is switched off (LBP, Modnation)

THEMES AND FOLDERS, SONY!

That's all, thanks.

Meanwhile, it's almost time to activate the Christmas theme on the PS4 Pro...

@PerpetualBoredom It's up there with the PS2 themed retro one.

@Jammer Unless it's a very cunning plan to get a Pro, you'll find it cheaper to get an A grade used one from Music Magpie, CEX, Sony Direct, etc.

For the PS5's drinking problem, I'd suggest popping off the side panels and see if you can see where the ingress ended up.

I shall be activating my 'Happy Holidays 2019' theme on the PS4 Pro soon but these PS5 "themes" are fairly useless.
I do hope the PS6 comes with a decent UI, more like the 3 or 4.

@Anthony_Daniels You can back up your entire PS5 on a USB stick or portable hard drive, true. But PS4 game saves, on the PS4 or 5, can be copied individually to a USB stick without the need to backup the entire machine.

Sony screw over existing customers AGAIN.
Still, I suppose if you want to backup your PS5 game saves, you've got no option but to pay stingy Sony a minimum of £60 a year,
Meanwhile, PS4 owners just make sure they've got a pen drive to hand...

If you need PS+, buy discounted vouchers from ShopTo to save a few quid.

@get2sammyb The PS5 has been a break even console pretty much since it was launched and the Slim is even cheaper for Sony to manufacture.
Given the ridiculous Sony-inflicted price hikes Japan has seen for the console, it's no wonder it's getting its arse kicked by the Switch 2.
Perhaps Sony could drop the price round the world that arbitrarily increased by £30 due to 'exchange rates' or some other 'we need more profits' excuse.

Still don't understand how a PS5 with nerfed firmware can cost less than a regular one..?