Games on console are typically about 10-20% more on console due to the higher cut Sony takes, so rather than £18.99, I would expect between £24.99-£29.99. Still a reasonable price.
@psmr Yeah, I added it because I realised I should have made it clear that I was thinking about today's market. I wasn't in my current role in 2020, and I wasn't analyzing prices back then.
Probably won't have a significant impact, as most consumers want a plug-and-play experience. Jailbroken consoles have been around since the PS1, and they haven't affected sales. They seem to just quietly coexist.
And no, the PS5 was not jailbroken because of the removal of Discs; it was jailbroken because every single console has been or will be jailbroken for those in the minority with the technical skills who want to play different things or get a different experience.
@psmr That was the only time they did it, from what I can recall which i was very much against. They haven't done it for a few years now on current gen consoles, and they certainly aren't doing it for the PS5 Pro yet despite the shortages.
I work for a large Toy/gaming company, and part of my job is to monitor competitor prices for the gaming section.
@ShadowRJ I have checked the current-gen consoles' prices on CeX, and none of them are above RRP. The only time I remember them going above RRP was during COVID for the PS5.
Hellbalde 1 was enough; they could have left it there and made something new that more people were interested in, but they did not, and they only have themselves to blame. MS gave them all the money, time, and freedom, and they still blew it.
All we got for years were updates about them going on a trip to Iceland.
The game feels like a single-player MMO. It felt very thin in the story department, with lots of fetch quests. There was no romance, and other systems felt undercooked or buggy. I spent nearly 100 hours in the game to give it a fair chance, and while there were some fun bits, it never got anywhere near what I was hoping for, sadly.
Clearly, Microsoft got a good deal and also a PR win. Paying far less than Sony's original budget must be down to some good negotiations. If the game flops commercially but is a critical success, the cost will be less damaging and part of the "loss leader" brand rebuilding Asha Sharma is doing with games like Gears of War E-Day.
For Sony, time will tell whether this is more money and wasted single-player gaming experiences due to Hulst's mismanagement (up to the date of cancellation), or the right decision to part ways before things got too expensive for a game that will likely get good reviews but probably won't sell much more than a few million units.
Hopefully Hulst will be long gone before the game comes out.
@cainhurst94 It was a success, especially a critical success. It was mismanaged by the previous Xbox leadership team, and the studio should have remained.
(Matt Ball joined Xbox this year, just after Asha.)
I am glad Matt Ball is clearing up misinformation that seems to be spreading on Twitter.
As he mentioned, PS5 pre-orders are in line with its install base, and so are Xbox's. PS5 will have more pre-orders because it has a higher install base.
Both platforms will do very well off of the launch. Where I work, the Series S is our best-selling console at the moment (company-wide), as people rush to get the cheapest console to play GTA 6 (Pro is sold out too).
Try tried to milk Hellbalde when players wanted other games, and it backfired. If they made games that sold well, they would stay with MS. The only reason they weren't jettisoned years ago is that Phil Spencer was too nice. Asha does not have those attachments. All she sees is that they spent a lot more money than they make.
Sadly, these poor choices by Spencer and Bond have meant Sony felt like they could get away with anything since the competition was so scarce. We need a strong Xbox back to ensure Sony has strong competition - which benefits all players.
In the earnings calls SEGA mentioned that Persona 6 is due between March 2027 and March 2028. I would suspect a reveal via thier own show or an Xbox show between March and June with a Oct/November 2027 launch.
Glad to see Push Square took the feedback around the bait images, such as changing the Xbox on a red logo/fire to a normal Xbox logo colour and background.
@AhmadSumadi, I think sometimes it is important to call something out that you dislike. I think the whole "ignore something you don't like" can be reductive and even lead to negative consequences at times (in all aspects of life)
@Markatron84 It is already reported on Pure Xbox: the whole Xbox logo in red on a PlayStation-related site; that's engagement bait designed for ad revenue. It's what online news sites have to do, sadly. It's not like PlayStation doesn't have enough of its own bad news to drive click-through at the moment, though.
It is certainly a frustrating side effect of how Google prioritizes news articles in searches these days.
None of us know the exact margins Sony will be looking for, but unless you are a shareholder or a Sony Exec, it shouldn't be of any concern. If it does well, we get an X-Men game; if it flops, we don't. That is about the extent of the impact for us as players. Herman Hulst has already wasted hundreds of millions on cancelled projects because most of Sony's profit comes from 3rd party AAA games and MTX.
Even if you forget about the disc situation, PlayStation under Hulst, Ryan, and Nishino has lost its way.
Most people don't even care about discs, but they are now finding an outlet for their anger and disapointment and Sony's mismanagement and neglect over the last 5-6 years.
It has become a soulless corporate entity focused on talking to shareholders about extracting more per person rather than engaging players in the fun, exciting ways it used to with marketing and creative IP's.
Everything is so polished, yet so bland, from the marketing to many of the games they put out these days. Don't get me wrong, the games aren't bad, but they are very safe, with the same IPs getting churned out under different titles and remakes.
Like Xbox earlier this year, before Asha came in, PlayStations brand perception has become increasingly toxic and is beginning to spread further, leading to indifference and malaise amongst the 5-10 million "hardcore" players.
Like with Xbox, if this is left unchecked, it will mean reduced sales, and they will suffer financially, as Xbox did after the 360 era or PS did after the PS2 era.
You can only get away with doing the same old bland things for so long before even the casual consumers will catch up and go somewhere else. Dropping discs won't lose Sony any meaningful amount of money, but turning the brand into a soulless, bland, safe corporate entity will.
I am about halfway through the story, and I am enjoying it so far. I think some of the review criticisms were a little bit disingenuous, especially about the hand-holding. On the highest difficulty, it is certainly a game that requires a decent skill level.
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Re: I Love K-Pop, But This New PS5 Game Ain't It
I would disagree that the art style looks low budget - a game like this is better off with this art style and some weird uncanny valley hyper realism.
The game looks to be aimed at kids and teens anyways who play Fortnite and Roblox, so this will look great to them lol.
Re: Europe Shows Up for Physical Games, 51% of Wolverine's PS5 Sales for Disc Version
Discs ended for me in 2013 lol
Re: First Forza Horizon 6 PS5 Gameplay Arrives as Release Date Is Revealed
A decent date and meets that 6-month exclusivity that will have helped Xbox's brand this year.
Re: First Forza Horizon 6 PS5 Gameplay Arrives as Release Date Is Revealed
@Grumblevolcano Forza 6 is already out on Xbox and Steam, and its PS5 early access starts about a month before Fable's.
Fable won't be delayed again, as there is no logical reason for it.
For overlapping fans on PS5, they will buy both if able.
Re: GTA 6 In-Game Radio Stations Announced, and You Can Preview Them Right Now
Another great selection!
Re: GTA 6 Gameplay Leaks Are Back with Potentially Big Spoilers
@Spider-Kev, don't share story spoilers here.
Re: GTA 6 Gameplay Leaks Are Back with Potentially Big Spoilers
It's just a bit over a month until the game comes out. At this point, it is better to just wait and get the surprises yourself.
Re: BeamNG.drive Is Looking Wildly Impressive in First PS5 Pro Footage
Games on console are typically about 10-20% more on console due to the higher cut Sony takes, so rather than £18.99, I would expect between £24.99-£29.99. Still a reasonable price.
Re: 'This Is Intentional': GameStop to Start Scalping Used PS5 Pros for $1,500
@psmr Yeah I mentioned I was very much against that. I have yet to see the Pro or Switch 2 go above RRP at CeX.
Re: 'This Is Intentional': GameStop to Start Scalping Used PS5 Pros for $1,500
@psmr Yeah, I added it because I realised I should have made it clear that I was thinking about today's market. I wasn't in my current role in 2020, and I wasn't analyzing prices back then.
Re: PS5 Jailbreaks Are Escalating at an Unprecedented Pace, and Sony Must Be Sweating
Probably won't have a significant impact, as most consumers want a plug-and-play experience. Jailbroken consoles have been around since the PS1, and they haven't affected sales. They seem to just quietly coexist.
And no, the PS5 was not jailbroken because of the removal of Discs; it was jailbroken because every single console has been or will be jailbroken for those in the minority with the technical skills who want to play different things or get a different experience.
Re: 'This Is Intentional': GameStop to Start Scalping Used PS5 Pros for $1,500
@psmr That was the only time they did it, from what I can recall which i was very much against. They haven't done it for a few years now on current gen consoles, and they certainly aren't doing it for the PS5 Pro yet despite the shortages.
I work for a large Toy/gaming company, and part of my job is to monitor competitor prices for the gaming section.
Re: 'This Is Intentional': GameStop to Start Scalping Used PS5 Pros for $1,500
@ShadowRJ I have checked the current-gen consoles' prices on CeX, and none of them are above RRP. The only time I remember them going above RRP was during COVID for the PS5.
A boxed PS5 Pro goes for the current RRP of £790
Boxed Nintendo Switch 2 go for under RRP
Boxed Xbox Series X and S go for under RRP
Re: 'This Is Intentional': GameStop to Start Scalping Used PS5 Pros for $1,500
Should be called FraudStop
Even CeX does not go above the original RRP for current-gen consoles at the moment
Re: Hellblade Dev Begins Shedding Staff, Months After Revealing New Game at Xbox Showcase
Hellbalde 1 was enough; they could have left it there and made something new that more people were interested in, but they did not, and they only have themselves to blame. MS gave them all the money, time, and freedom, and they still blew it.
All we got for years were updates about them going on a trip to Iceland.
Re: Xbox Begins Testing Its Platinum Trophy Alternative, 18 Years After Sony Introduced System
Shame Sony doesn't listen to its players anymore lol
Re: 007 First Light Gets New Game+, Photo Mode, New Missions, More in Huge Free DLC
Looks good! Curious when the Bawma DLC mission will be out
Re: Rumour: New Uncharted Game in the Works at Naughty Dog, Nathan Drake Not the Lead Character
Not confident that this will reach the heights of 1-3. Another IP that doesn't need to be milked further.
Re: Crimson Desert's Huge Expansion Pack Has Been Delayed, But Not By Much
The game feels like a single-player MMO. It felt very thin in the story department, with lots of fetch quests. There was no romance, and other systems felt undercooked or buggy. I spent nearly 100 hours in the game to give it a fair chance, and while there were some fun bits, it never got anywhere near what I was hoping for, sadly.
Re: GTA 6 Reveals Massive, Dense Open World in 13 New Screenshots, Details
Looks to be another generational game from Rockstar.
Re: Fantastic Sandbox Cop Game The Precinct Gets a Huge Update on PS5
I played it for about 12 hours, but it gets a bit repetitive. Maybe I will check the updates to see if it mixes things up a bit.
Re: 'You Guys Are Gonna Have Your Minds Blown': Troy Baker Says We're Not Ready for Intergalactic
We shall see; Troy Baker's library of games is very hit-or-miss.
Re: No Intergalactic PS5 Updates Until 2027, New Artwork for Now
For a late 2027 launch, they don't need to show anything until the Feb/March or June showcase.
Re: PS5's Welcome Hub Adds Animated The Last of Us Wallpaper
Shame we didn't get a Wolverine one
Re: Xbox Allegedly Paying a 'Fraction' of the $400 Million Budget Kojima Is Rumoured to Have Quoted Sony for Physint
Clearly, Microsoft got a good deal and also a PR win. Paying far less than Sony's original budget must be down to some good negotiations. If the game flops commercially but is a critical success, the cost will be less damaging and part of the "loss leader" brand rebuilding Asha Sharma is doing with games like Gears of War E-Day.
For Sony, time will tell whether this is more money and wasted single-player gaming experiences due to Hulst's mismanagement (up to the date of cancellation), or the right decision to part ways before things got too expensive for a game that will likely get good reviews but probably won't sell much more than a few million units.
Hopefully Hulst will be long gone before the game comes out.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Marvel's Wolverine?
A very solid 8.5 for me, I had fun with the game and even went for the Platinum, which I rarely do.
Re: GTA 6 Pre-Orders 'Heavily Skewed' Towards PS5, Xbox Exec Responds
@cainhurst94 It was a success, especially a critical success. It was mismanaged by the previous Xbox leadership team, and the studio should have remained.
(Matt Ball joined Xbox this year, just after Asha.)
Re: Rumour: PS6 Hardware Complete, Double the Power of PS5 with Handheld Model
The price is a big factor for me. For a console-only experience, I would expect to pay no more than £800.
For a hybrid console and PC experience, I am happy to pay up to £1200, as I will get the best of both.
Re: GTA 6 Pre-Orders 'Heavily Skewed' Towards PS5, Xbox Exec Responds
I am glad Matt Ball is clearing up misinformation that seems to be spreading on Twitter.
As he mentioned, PS5 pre-orders are in line with its install base, and so are Xbox's. PS5 will have more pre-orders because it has a higher install base.
Both platforms will do very well off of the launch. Where I work, the Series S is our best-selling console at the moment (company-wide), as people rush to get the cheapest console to play GTA 6 (Pro is sold out too).
Re: Xbox Is Disappearing into Activision and Bethesda, So What Does That Mean for PS5?
@get2sammyb He already did!
Re: Xbox Is Disappearing into Activision and Bethesda, So What Does That Mean for PS5?
I am way more worried about what Herman Hulst is doing with PlayStation Studios than I am about what Matt Booty is doing across Xbox.
I imagine like now, there will continue to be a mixture of exclusive and multi-platform games.
Still feel like this would have been better on Pure Xbox than Push Square, but I guess bills must be paid.
Re: Microsoft Closing Hellblade Dev Ninja Theory After Failed Buyout Talks
Try tried to milk Hellbalde when players wanted other games, and it backfired. If they made games that sold well, they would stay with MS. The only reason they weren't jettisoned years ago is that Phil Spencer was too nice. Asha does not have those attachments. All she sees is that they spent a lot more money than they make.
Sadly, these poor choices by Spencer and Bond have meant Sony felt like they could get away with anything since the competition was so scarce. We need a strong Xbox back to ensure Sony has strong competition - which benefits all players.
Re: State of Decay 3 Dev Hit with 'Significant' Layoffs After Going Independent
They took too long to make State of Decay 3; that is really the top and the bottom of it, really.
Re: Persona 6 Could Get Its Big Reveal in March, as Atlus Announces First Super Live Show in Four Years
In the earnings calls SEGA mentioned that Persona 6 is due between March 2027 and March 2028. I would suspect a reveal via thier own show or an Xbox show between March and June with a Oct/November 2027 launch.
Re: Xbox Confirms Job Losses and Studio Changes, Activision to Make Next Halo Game
Glad to see Push Square took the feedback around the bait images, such as changing the Xbox on a red logo/fire to a normal Xbox logo colour and background.
Re: 'Hundreds' More Xbox Layoffs Reportedly on the Way, Studios to Be Consolidated
@LogicStrikesAgain, I noticed you tagged me and then untagged me
Who are the "Xbox fans" you are referring to? I would imagine they are reading the same article on Pure Xbox.
Re: 'Hundreds' More Xbox Layoffs Reportedly on the Way, Studios to Be Consolidated
@AhmadSumadi, I think sometimes it is important to call something out that you dislike. I think the whole "ignore something you don't like" can be reductive and even lead to negative consequences at times (in all aspects of life)
Re: 'Hundreds' More Xbox Layoffs Reportedly on the Way, Studios to Be Consolidated
@Markatron84 It is already reported on Pure Xbox: the whole Xbox logo in red on a PlayStation-related site; that's engagement bait designed for ad revenue. It's what online news sites have to do, sadly. It's not like PlayStation doesn't have enough of its own bad news to drive click-through at the moment, though.
It is certainly a frustrating side effect of how Google prioritizes news articles in searches these days.
Re: Wolverine PS5 Tones Down 'Fart Trails' as Title Tipped to Be a Huge Sales Success
None of us know the exact margins Sony will be looking for, but unless you are a shareholder or a Sony Exec, it shouldn't be of any concern. If it does well, we get an X-Men game; if it flops, we don't. That is about the extent of the impact for us as players. Herman Hulst has already wasted hundreds of millions on cancelled projects because most of Sony's profit comes from 3rd party AAA games and MTX.
Re: Wolverine PS5 Tones Down 'Fart Trails' as Title Tipped to Be a Huge Sales Success
@KundaliniRising333 The Marvel fee will be included in that, and it's not cheap.
Re: The Last of Us Game Director Apologises for Dragging God of War Laufey into 'Boring' AAA Game Discussion
Sony games are a little too bland and safe these days.
I hope God of War: Laufey does something new that I don't expect, but I won't be waiting on it tbh.
Re: Former Sony Suits Recreate Infamous PS4 Game Sharing Skit, Only without the Disc
Even if you forget about the disc situation, PlayStation under Hulst, Ryan, and Nishino has lost its way.
Most people don't even care about discs, but they are now finding an outlet for their anger and disapointment and Sony's mismanagement and neglect over the last 5-6 years.
It has become a soulless corporate entity focused on talking to shareholders about extracting more per person rather than engaging players in the fun, exciting ways it used to with marketing and creative IP's.
Everything is so polished, yet so bland, from the marketing to many of the games they put out these days. Don't get me wrong, the games aren't bad, but they are very safe, with the same IPs getting churned out under different titles and remakes.
Like Xbox earlier this year, before Asha came in, PlayStations brand perception has become increasingly toxic and is beginning to spread further, leading to indifference and malaise amongst the 5-10 million "hardcore" players.
Like with Xbox, if this is left unchecked, it will mean reduced sales, and they will suffer financially, as Xbox did after the 360 era or PS did after the PS2 era.
You can only get away with doing the same old bland things for so long before even the casual consumers will catch up and go somewhere else. Dropping discs won't lose Sony any meaningful amount of money, but turning the brand into a soulless, bland, safe corporate entity will.
Re: Marvel's Wolverine Guide: 100% Collectibles Walkthrough
Actually handy for the plat, as some of the later maps do open up a bit and some of the crates and whiskey bottles are missable.
I feel like there are a lot of comments from people on here who have not played the game.
Re: Marvel's Wolverine PS5 Launch Marked with Celebratory Art from Other PS Studios
Some great artists at Sony studios who could no doubt make a great comic book game with Marvel or DC IP.
Re: Poll: 10 Years Later, Is Persona 5 a True JRPG Masterpiece?
It is one of the masterpieces across all time in gaming and one of my favorite games of all time (if you couldn't tell).
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Marvel's Wolverine on PS5?
I am about halfway through the story, and I am enjoying it so far. I think some of the review criticisms were a little bit disingenuous, especially about the hand-holding. On the highest difficulty, it is certainly a game that requires a decent skill level.
Re: Promising Detective RPG Decapolice Officially Delayed into 2027
Level 5 love a delay
Re: Vanillaware's 4K Remaster of Stone-Cold Classic Muramasa Carves Out February Release Date on PS5
Looks good! I'll play if I have the time amongst all the other games due out
Re: Romancing SaGa 3's PS5 Remake Looks Amazing, But Its Release Date Is a Problem
I don't think it will be a day-one purchase, but it is on my wishlist.
Re: Wolverine PS5 Is One of the Lowest Rated First-Party Sony Games of the Generation
This is a culmination of Sony's mismanagement over the last few years, sadly. It was always going to hit a boiling point.