Glad the report was corrected, although I fear the damage has been done with those who seem obsessed with seeing Game Pass fail (even though it won't anytime soon).
Like I have said before, as soon as it becomes unsustainable for MS to keep Game Pass, they will cut it quicker than a master chef with vegetables. They only care about ROI, just like Sony, Nintendo, and any other multi-trillion/billion dollar business.
@Medic_alert Maybe after next gen, it's hard to say, although they might get another company to do hardware for them like ASUS after thier own console later this decade.
@somnambulance I'm hoping for the same! I enjoyed Shadows, but I fear the vengeance plotline sounds very Naoe-esque. Hopefully, there are twists and turns to freshen the game up.
I can't say I am surprised that the majority of commentators have not heard of LISA before. Sony is targeting a younger demographic here, as they have the very real threat of Gen Z gamers moving away from console gaming, and they need to keep the PlayStation brand relevant for Gen Z and Gen Alpha.
The majority of us 30,40, 50 somethings got sucked in as a younger person in the PS1, PS2 era with some slightly younger 30 and 20 something growing up with PS3/4.
Sony has to constantly do the marketing legwork now to ensure brand loyalty remains in the future for the kids and teens of today.
The reality is that AI and machine learning will be essential for Sony and Microsoft to deliver any meaningful graphical and FPS improvements while doing so at an accessible cost base for the mass consumer.
I am concerned that the future "accessible" cost base will be around £600/$650, though.
Sony needs to start planning now to deliver a much stronger 1st party lineup for PS6. The PS5 gen has been poor with few original concepts and ideas. Wolverine and Intergalactic are fresh new IPs that should really give Sony a boost, but it's looking more and more like PS6 software.
Honestly if Square Enix didn't look at the success of Persona 5/Royal selling over 20 million copies to date and didn't pivot, I doubt they'll do it for E33.
E33 is objectively an 8/10 game which has flaws but due to our extremely low standards on games these days it's somehow the best game ever.
Hot take I don't think it's even the best game in the first 6 months of this year. It's a good game don't get me wrong but it it's not a true great like a Zelda, BG3, RDR2
Honestly, if Sony wasn't worried about Nintendo they will be now. This isn't the PS4 golden generation anymore. It's the live service laden, money wasting remake generation where new IP is sparse and the best we can hope for is a sequel which might not even be as good as the last game. I'll just get the rare PS games I want when they come to PC.i can get everything else on Switch 2 or PC.
Honestly I'm more interested in a home console that can play steam games than a PS6. I would only consider a PS6 if the 1st party output significantly improves on this generation.
@Flaming_Kaiser I'm curious how much FF7 remake sells on Xbox (if that's not on Gamepass) that's the one Xbox fans have been pushing for rather than FF16 which I haven't seen anyone pushing for.
I am seeing a lot of inaccurate information about the level of involvement Microsoft had in this device. They helped design the device and rebuilt the OS from the ground up, specifically for Xbox gaming. This is not just a Rog Ally with an Xbox button. It's a custom-built piece of hardware/software with equal inputs.
There is literally a 10-minute video on the Xbox YouTube channel which explains this, but of course, I can imagine certain people have not watched it and made assumptions.
And tbh I don't think many PS5 players care that more players get access to the games.
I would be curious to see how it lands with the mass market. I can imagine most, like me will play this on Game Pass across PC/Xbox systems. You could do a "is Fifa bad" poll and most would vote yes on here, yet it still sells millions at the $90-100 price point.
The game itself could be a AAA game, but due to the first gam,e the perception is among us hardcore gamers is that its going to be more of an AA game. I feel like MS was aware of this, but wanted to cover their backs with the US economy being unstable. When Sony does release its next AAA game (hard to know when) it will be $80 and £80 because, unlike MS they like to keep price parity via charging its large UK market more to cover cost.
@LogicStrikesAgain, I just prefer not to be locked to an ecosystem for certain games. I think that is pretty reasonable. I'm free to choose what I like and dislike just as you are. I would be very surprised if Clockwork Rev was Xbox and PC only, given Xbox seems keen now to bring all their games across to Playsation and Nintendo (where possible).
I meant the studios they brought - They kept The Outworlds Multiplat, Senua, Doom , and the other IP's they brought in.
Going to end this here as you have your own thoughts and this will just drag on.
@ChrisDeku We will see, but things have gone quiet on the marketing front since the artwork incident. Technically, almost everything is baseless speculation until it comes to fruition, your opinion or mine.
@ChrisDeku The fact is Sony does not have the same safety net as MS or Nintendo. They are doing fine for now but there will come to a point they will follow MS. It might be in 5 years time but it's happening. And we have seen what's going on with Marathon, it's not looking good.
@LogicStrikesAgain The fact is they are keeping their vast library of games multiplat, no money hatting or exclusive deals. Clockwork revolution and grounded 2 will almost certainly come to other platforms. You are making an assumption that they are exclusive despite Microsoft clearly outlining their multiplat strategy.
@ChrisDeku Sony's game have to be successful because the games cost so much to make, that's why the profit margins are thin. Every time time there is a Concord or Marathon situation that's a huge hit to finances they just can't afford.
@ButterySmooth30FPS Profit margins are already thin and if they continue in that direction Sony executives will look for ways to maximise software sales. They don't billions saved up like Nintendo or the financial muscle or MS.
The Xbox showcase was the best this year, because the games are not locked behind a system. That is a win for gamers. It's only a matter of time before Sony caves in on first-party.
@LogicStrikesAgain It's more expensive on PS5 now with the price increases, sadly. I would rather try something out on Game Pass first before I decide to buy it.
Not a surprise, I think it will outsell PS5 across their respective lifetimes.
Sony had zero issue breaking the record in the pandemic against the original Switch/Xbox Series, and any other console launch for that matter, and its almost certain it won't outsell the Switch or PS2. It might not even outsell the PS4.
A disappointing generation, I doubt I will get PS6 unless they start offering more 1P games I am interested in. The sequels so far seem to be a worse version of the original game, and this year is just 2 more sequels to add to the pile. I will use the Switch 2 for the JRPGs.
Microsoft won that case because the plan was too keep Activision games 3rd party. They stuck to their word and and now making higher revenue and profits than ever. Good for them.
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Re: 'I Much Prefer PS Plus' Lifecycle Management Strategy': Devs Chime in on Xbox Game Pass Impact
Glad the report was corrected, although I fear the damage has been done with those who seem obsessed with seeing Game Pass fail (even though it won't anytime soon).
Like I have said before, as soon as it becomes unsustainable for MS to keep Game Pass, they will cut it quicker than a master chef with vegetables. They only care about ROI, just like Sony, Nintendo, and any other multi-trillion/billion dollar business.
Re: May 2025 USA Sales: PS5 the Only Console with Growth as Xbox Price Hike Proves Costly
@Medic_alert Maybe after next gen, it's hard to say, although they might get another company to do hardware for them like ASUS after thier own console later this decade.
Re: 10 New PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Announced for July 2025
Banishers is the one I am most excited about here!
Re: Director of The Last of Us' Axed PS5 Multiplayer to Start New Studio in Japan
I can't wait to see what Gatcha game he comes up with.
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Fully Revealed in 20 Minute State of Play on 10th July
@somnambulance I'm hoping for the same! I enjoyed Shadows, but I fear the vengeance plotline sounds very Naoe-esque. Hopefully, there are twists and turns to freshen the game up.
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Fully Revealed in 20 Minute State of Play on 10th July
I'm very on the fence about the game so far, but maybe this direct will sell me just like GOT did in 2020.
That 2020 direct was so good!
Re: Tokyo Game Show 2025 Set to Be Biggest Ever, Confirms Sony, Square Enix, SEGA, More
Unless there is Persona 6, this will not even be the best show of this year.
I expect to see Pearl Abyss confirm the delay of Crimson Desert into 2026 with this event if not before.
Re: Train Sim World 6 Gears Up for PS5, PS4 Release Later This Year
They only have until September to push out many promised updates, and I don't see that happening.
It's the sad reality of being taken over by a large corporation that wants yearly updates and price increases on DLC.
Re: PS5 Fans Divided Over Helldivers 2 on Xbox Pivot
Honestly I don't care either way as it's not a game I'll play, but it's good for those who are interested to get access to a multiplayer game.
I'll probably get a PC next gen as everything is heading that way.
Re: Rumour: PS5 Disaster MindsEye Wants 'Redemption Arc' Despite Hundreds of Jobs Being 'At Risk'
You'd be out of your Mind(sEye) to play this Temu version of Saints Row Reboot (yes it's that bad).
Re: Digital Sales Make Death Stranding 2 PS5 Estimates Much Stronger
People love walking in real life so why wouldn't they like a walking sim? Haha. Plenty of Simulation games sell well.
Re: Blackpink's Lisa Is the New Global Face of PlayStation
I can't say I am surprised that the majority of commentators have not heard of LISA before. Sony is targeting a younger demographic here, as they have the very real threat of Gen Z gamers moving away from console gaming, and they need to keep the PlayStation brand relevant for Gen Z and Gen Alpha.
The majority of us 30,40, 50 somethings got sucked in as a younger person in the PS1, PS2 era with some slightly younger 30 and 20 something growing up with PS3/4.
Sony has to constantly do the marketing legwork now to ensure brand loyalty remains in the future for the kids and teens of today.
A good business move overall.
Re: PS6 to 'Push the Boundaries' of Graphics, Doubles Down on Machine Learning
The reality is that AI and machine learning will be essential for Sony and Microsoft to deliver any meaningful graphical and FPS improvements while doing so at an accessible cost base for the mass consumer.
I am concerned that the future "accessible" cost base will be around £600/$650, though.
Sony needs to start planning now to deliver a much stronger 1st party lineup for PS6. The PS5 gen has been poor with few original concepts and ideas. Wolverine and Intergalactic are fresh new IPs that should really give Sony a boost, but it's looking more and more like PS6 software.
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in PS Plus Day and Date': Sony Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
Main reason I stopped subscribing to PS plus is the stripping out of the rewards program and having to wait years to play new games.
Re: In a Surprise to Absolutely No One, Rematch Is Doing Really Well
This is a game Sony would have done well to make.
Re: Persona Fans, You Can Pre-Load a New Game in the Franchise Now
I will check this out but there is only a Japanese dub which means it's more a low budget affair.
Re: Square Enix 'Aware' of Clair Obscur's Success, Ponders Turn-Based RPG Revival
Honestly if Square Enix didn't look at the success of Persona 5/Royal selling over 20 million copies to date and didn't pivot, I doubt they'll do it for E33.
E33 is objectively an 8/10 game which has flaws but due to our extremely low standards on games these days it's somehow the best game ever.
Hot take I don't think it's even the best game in the first 6 months of this year. It's a good game don't get me wrong but it it's not a true great like a Zelda, BG3, RDR2
Re: Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice PS5 Upgrades Are Finally Getting Parole from Xbox Jail
I'm waiting for DS2 to get out of PS5 jail to join it's father DS1.. hopefully won't be too long!
Re: Talking Point: Is It Officially Game Over for PSVR2?
I think Sony will let the PSVR2 linger until the end of this generation and then exit the VR market.
Re: Round Up: Digimon Story Time Stranger Previews Are Super Positive, Set to Be a Surprise Hit on PS5
Got this one on my wishlist
Re: Red Dead Redemption 2 Star Backs Away from PS5 Version Tease
Switch 2 port is what was on about
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Says Sony Has Never Really Seen Nintendo As a Rival
Honestly, if Sony wasn't worried about Nintendo they will be now. This isn't the PS4 golden generation anymore. It's the live service laden, money wasting remake generation where new IP is sparse and the best we can hope for is a sequel which might not even be as good as the last game. I'll just get the rare PS games I want when they come to PC.i can get everything else on Switch 2 or PC.
Re: The Next Xbox Is a PC, So What Does That Mean for PS6?
Honestly I'm more interested in a home console that can play steam games than a PS6. I would only consider a PS6 if the 1st party output significantly improves on this generation.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
@Flaming_Kaiser I'm curious how much FF7 remake sells on Xbox (if that's not on Gamepass) that's the one Xbox fans have been pushing for rather than FF16 which I haven't seen anyone pushing for.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
@MakeLoveNotWars Starfeild sold over 3 million copies as of the end of 2023 so that's untrue.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
Xbox players wanted FF7 remake not this mid game.
Re: 'We Won't Make the Same Mistakes Again': Sony Reflects on PS5's Catastrophic Concord
Spoiler alert.. they will.
Re: Hands On: MindsEye Is a Boring Mess
@N0CYmr0k Some need it's quicker than others.
Re: Yep, PlayStation's PC Games Will Be Playable on Xbox's New Handheld System
I am seeing a lot of inaccurate information about the level of involvement Microsoft had in this device. They helped design the device and rebuilt the OS from the ground up, specifically for Xbox gaming. This is not just a Rog Ally with an Xbox button. It's a custom-built piece of hardware/software with equal inputs.
There is literally a 10-minute video on the Xbox YouTube channel which explains this, but of course, I can imagine certain people have not watched it and made assumptions.
And tbh I don't think many PS5 players care that more players get access to the games.
Re: 'Good Luck with That' - The Outer Worlds 2 $80 Price Has Gone Down Horribly with PS5 Players
I would be curious to see how it lands with the mass market. I can imagine most, like me will play this on Game Pass across PC/Xbox systems. You could do a "is Fifa bad" poll and most would vote yes on here, yet it still sells millions at the $90-100 price point.
The game itself could be a AAA game, but due to the first gam,e the perception is among us hardcore gamers is that its going to be more of an AA game. I feel like MS was aware of this, but wanted to cover their backs with the US economy being unstable. When Sony does release its next AAA game (hard to know when) it will be $80 and £80 because, unlike MS they like to keep price parity via charging its large UK market more to cover cost.
Re: Hands On: MindsEye Is a Boring Mess
Launched unfinished because they needed the money.
Re: Site News: Where's Our MindsEye PS5 Review?
Just saw some framerate testing, and on PS5/Xbox Series X it cannot even hold 30fps. It dips as low as 20fps, and there is no 60fps mode.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@LogicStrikesAgain, I just prefer not to be locked to an ecosystem for certain games. I think that is pretty reasonable. I'm free to choose what I like and dislike just as you are. I would be very surprised if Clockwork Rev was Xbox and PC only, given Xbox seems keen now to bring all their games across to Playsation and Nintendo (where possible).
I meant the studios they brought - They kept The Outworlds Multiplat, Senua, Doom , and the other IP's they brought in.
Going to end this here as you have your own thoughts and this will just drag on.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@ChrisDeku We will see, but things have gone quiet on the marketing front since the artwork incident. Technically, almost everything is baseless speculation until it comes to fruition, your opinion or mine.
Let's end this convo here as it is dragging on.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@ChrisDeku The fact is Sony does not have the same safety net as MS or Nintendo. They are doing fine for now but there will come to a point they will follow MS. It might be in 5 years time but it's happening. And we have seen what's going on with Marathon, it's not looking good.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@LogicStrikesAgain The fact is they are keeping their vast library of games multiplat, no money hatting or exclusive deals. Clockwork revolution and grounded 2 will almost certainly come to other platforms. You are making an assumption that they are exclusive despite Microsoft clearly outlining their multiplat strategy.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@ChrisDeku Sony's game have to be successful because the games cost so much to make, that's why the profit margins are thin. Every time time there is a Concord or Marathon situation that's a huge hit to finances they just can't afford.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@ButterySmooth30FPS Profit margins are already thin and if they continue in that direction Sony executives will look for ways to maximise software sales. They don't billions saved up like Nintendo or the financial muscle or MS.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
The Xbox showcase was the best this year, because the games are not locked behind a system. That is a win for gamers. It's only a matter of time before Sony caves in on first-party.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@LogicStrikesAgain It's more expensive on PS5 now with the price increases, sadly. I would rather try something out on Game Pass first before I decide to buy it.
Re: Sounds Like Switch 2 May Have Obliterated PS5's Launch Record in France
Not a surprise, I think it will outsell PS5 across their respective lifetimes.
Sony had zero issue breaking the record in the pandemic against the original Switch/Xbox Series, and any other console launch for that matter, and its almost certain it won't outsell the Switch or PS2. It might not even outsell the PS4.
Re: Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 + 4 Demo Out Now, TMNT Skaters Teased in Launch Trailer
@somnambulance Wait you have to pre order on PS? It's free to download on Xbox.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
Great showcase with tons to play on Game Pass.
Re: New Report Pegs Rumoured Persona 4 Remake for Imminent Xbox Showcase
Another Xbox showcase W, State of Play can only dream.
Re: First MindsEye PS5 Copies Leak, Dev Stresses to Wait for Day 1 Patch
@TheArt They know it's not good but want to gaslight us into believing it's good so we buy it.
Re: First MindsEye PS5 Copies Leak, Dev Stresses to Wait for Day 1 Patch
Sony need a patch to remove this game from the PS store haha
Re: State of Play Confirmed for 4th June, 40+ Minutes of PS5 Games
@WolfyTn I wouldn't expect Outer Worlds 2 as it has its own showcase at the Xbox Games Showcase.
Re: Second Persona 4 Voice Actor Says They're Not in Rumoured Remake
VA on strike didn't get called back.. suprise surprise haha
Re: Reaction: There's Never Been a Better Time to Buy a PS5
A disappointing generation, I doubt I will get PS6 unless they start offering more 1P games I am interested in. The sequels so far seem to be a worse version of the original game, and this year is just 2 more sequels to add to the pile. I will use the Switch 2 for the JRPGs.
Re: PS5's Black Ops 6 Bundle Takes Us Full Circle After Xbox's Activision Buyout
Microsoft won that case because the plan was too keep Activision games 3rd party. They stuck to their word and and now making higher revenue and profits than ever. Good for them.