Sony decides whether it wants to require one or both players to have PS+ for this particular game. If there were issues, they could have just not made it a requirement for this particular game. Xbox seems to be fine with just one player having a subscription. Steam has no issue letting both players play without a subscription. Seems like a Sony choice from all angles.
I am not talking about that part (most MS games have that part).
I am talking about requiring 2 PS+ subs for offline splitscreen or online, which MS itself doesn't on the Xbox version and not all on the PC version. Looks like Sony's choice to me.
Do you know factually that MS is making Sony do this? MS doesn't get anything out of it. If anything, it harms sales on PS5, so maybe this is Sony's doing due to infrastructure issues.
Better to promote to sell than just shut down studios like Sony does. Bungie is now about to lose 400 staff, which is more staff than from most of the studios Xbox plans to close down.
Engagement and views don't always translate into sales, but I am sure the games in this top tell will be among the best sellers of late 2026-late 2027.
Sales for Yotei are expected to be in the 5-10 million range, as hardcore players prefer single-player, story-driven games. I hope SIE takes this as a clear message to have at least 2-3 single-player games per year and not to waste studio resources on multiple live-service games (scattergun approach).
Bad decisions by previous leadership means Asha sadly has to make very difficult decision to trim the bloat and cut the losses.
It doesn't matter if you go multiplat or exclusive if you have bitten off more than you can chew. Hopefully Xbox gets back to a healthy position for consumer choice and for the future security of staff.
"It’s hard to find examples of platforms out there that don’t have exclusive services and content."
She knows that Xbox will fail as a platform/Ecosystem if it has no exclusive content.
We shall see how it pans out in the future, but I think that beyond Forza, COD, and TES 6, most other games wouldn't sell that much on PS5 anyway.
Fable is one that I think will sell reasonably well, and to be honest, it probably needs to go to PS5 given it was probably given a larger dev budget on the condition it was multiplat.
I don't think Halo or Senua will sell that well on PS, and it's not like these games don't cost addtional time/money to develop.
I think they are realizing that outside the big hitters, it just isn't worth the effort to spend years trying to get PS5 fans to love Halo and Gears. It's not even about growing Xbox; it's about not wasting money on an audience that doesn't want it. When you have only 300k players buying Saros, you might think Gears and Clockwork could do even worse, and that's just a waste of time.
I guess if Xbox fails, all we can expect is higher prices and less content from Sony.
"Chief Strategy Officer Matthew Ball dropped a “no comment” on the situation."
Didn't Matt Ball explain in a video to Dring that the strategy fell into 3 categories and that Xbox was having more exclusives in the future?
I still think them pulling this from PS was the right choice, even if they made a last-minute choice to undo some of Sarah Bond's deals. PS has its own exclusives, and Xbox and Nintendo should have theirs. Give consumers a real choice in the ecosystem. Just keep the same energy when Herman Hulst has to close down another studio because of another live service failure.
@Bez87 That is a lot of words to try and convince me that a 40 million plus PC install base is not enough to sell well. PS5 has a similar attach rate to Xbox and Nintendo despite having a much bigger install base. Most PS5 players are casuals who play NBA, FC and live service games, as demonstrated by player numbers. Saros has sold less than 500k units, and Gears Reloaded sold under 300K units. If I were MS, I would not bother either. Forza makes sense because they know they can get 5 million plus units sold.
No idea why people are so worried about it or see it as an issue. Especially PS5 players. There are plenty of games to enjoy on PS5. Just don't expect games from Xbox or Nintendo, and then you can't be disappointed (if you even want those games). I am fortunate enough to have all the consoles, so I get the respective exclusives for each console and take advantage of each ecosystem's best features.
I get that there is a need to drive engagement to the website for ad revenue, but it's really a non-issue for most people.
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Re: The Witcher 4 Can't Be Another Cyberpunk 2077, and CD Projekt Red Knows It
Restored enough where I'll buy the game, but not at launch or until I have seen reviews
Re: Sony May Mitigate Hardware Pricing Nightmare by Simply Selling Fewer PS5s
With the price increases, they don't need to try and sell less here in the UK, they are already achieving that easily lol
Re: Rumour: GTA 6 Price Potentially Leaked by European Retailer
It's £69.99 for the base game in the UK. Just checked with work now.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
Intr1n5ic
Signing into 2 accounts isn't the issue; charging for 2 accounts is.
However, you try to spin it, Sony charging twice is the issue here.
Your Sony Bias may get in the way of facts, but come on now.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
JoeNobody
They could have just pulled Halo from PS5 if they wanted to, but whatever you say lol.
Re: Sony Aims to Drive PS Plus Profits by 'Improving Service Proposition'
PS+ for cloud saves in 2026 is wrong.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
@Intr1n5ic
Sony decides whether it wants to require one or both players to have PS+ for this particular game. If there were issues, they could have just not made it a requirement for this particular game. Xbox seems to be fine with just one player having a subscription. Steam has no issue letting both players play without a subscription. Seems like a Sony choice from all angles.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
@JoeNobody
How do you know it's Xbox?
A) They don't ever do this on their Xbox games on Xbox and aren't doing this time either.
B) They haven't done this for any other PS5 Port
C) They don't ask Steam to do this, and they can't make Sony do this either
To me, this looks like a Sony choice
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
@Intr1n5ic
I am not talking about that part (most MS games have that part).
I am talking about requiring 2 PS+ subs for offline splitscreen or online, which MS itself doesn't on the Xbox version and not all on the PC version. Looks like Sony's choice to me.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
@viktorcode Who said this was an Xbox choice and not Sony?
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
@Mio_Nakashima
Do you know factually that MS is making Sony do this? MS doesn't get anything out of it. If anything, it harms sales on PS5, so maybe this is Sony's doing due to infrastructure issues.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
@trev666 Must be a Sony choice/they have dated infrastructure.
Re: 'There's No Ambiguity in Sony's Strategy': Trusted Journalist on PS5's Exclusivity Approach After Wishy-Washy CEO Statement
Like any business, Sony could stick with this or change its mind in the future.
Either way, it won't affect any player one bit.
Re: Poll: How Much Will GTA 6 Cost?
It will be £69.99 for the base game.
Re: Poll: How Much Will GTA 6 Cost?
@SBBuds Yep, should also have added UK prices, I think Hookshot is Brighton based.
Re: GTA 6 PS5 Pre-Orders Open on 25th June, Cover Art Revealed
Maybe I am getting old (late 30s), but I can't say I am excited by a pre-order pre-announcement with cover art.
I will digitally pre-order the game a few days before the launch date to pre-load.
A new trailer or updated website with game information would be a little more exciting to me.
Re: Opinion: This PS5 Magic Shooter Has Been the Perfect Summer Distraction
"New game releases dry up, and the news cycle slows to a crawl — unless you're Xbox, that is."
That's true, Xbox is releasing Halo in July.
Re: Sony Finally Speaks on PC Cancellations, Wants to Enhance Value of PS5
Makes sense, and it works for now if you want to drive and maintain an ecosystem. I can see why Xbox is looking to follow a similar strategy.
Re: New Senua Game Reveal Used as a Way to Sell Ninja Theory to Suitors
Better to promote to sell than just shut down studios like Sony does. Bungie is now about to lose 400 staff, which is more staff than from most of the studios Xbox plans to close down.
Re: Several Xbox Studios at Risk of Closure, in Talks to Become Independent
The games didn't sell well on Xbox, PC, or PlayStation; that's why these studios are closing down.
These studios are in high-cost areas and were left by MS to make games that people were mostly not interested in.
We can be sad about it, but most people (including PS5 players) didn't buy these games.
Re: Hellblade Studio Hunting for Buyer, Days After Announcing New Game for PS5
@Dogbreath It's a PlayStation fansite, of course there will be attacks on MS rather than realising it's the whole industry, including Sony lol.
Re: UK Gamers Question Hobby's Future as Government Bans Kids from Social Media
@nessisonett I think there should be an online ban for certain adults instead lol
Re: Rumour: Gaming Industry 'Bloodbath' Imminent, as Sony, Microsoft, and More Brace for Mass Layoffs
It will be rough, but maybe it is needed to get game development into a healthier, leaner state.
There are too many games that don't appeal to a mass audience, so of course they aren't going to sell well.
After Xbox, it will be Sony's turn to upset us with studio closures/job cuts.
Re: UK Gamers Question Hobby's Future as Government Bans Kids from Social Media
Better to do something than nothing. Doing nothing has led to many young lives lost and ruined over the last decade.
We all know that something needs to be done about gaming platforms like Roblox. They are not safe spaces for children.
This isn't about stopping kids from doing bad things; it's about keeping them away from bad adults who lack accountability and/or conscience.
This is basically the best of a bad set of outcomes, to be honest.
Re: Fable PS5 Looking Far Too Easy? Don't Fear, Harder Difficulties Will Be Available
NGL, I don't play Fable for the combat, I play Fable for the story and social sim aspects.
Re: Sony 'Hopes' to Launch PS5's God of War Laufey in the First Half of 2027
The sneak and the snoop lol
As of now nothing is even dated for 2027 unlike with Xbox and Nintendo.
Hopefully things for 2027 become clearer as we get towards the end of 2026.
Re: Xbox Wants Faster Fallout, Elder Scrolls Games to Bolster Business
Games made faster sounds good to me
Re: Even with PS5 Ports, Many of Xbox's Games Have Been Underperfoming
Now it makes sense why they are focusing on only bringing bigger live service games like COD and Forza Horizon to PS5.
I think Xbox needs to make more AAA games (excluding live service) and reduce the amount of AA output. 2-3 a year is good.
Sony needs to make fewer live-service games and more AAA games per year. Again, 2-3 Wolverines or Ghost of Yotei's would be a good cadence per year.
Re: PS5's God of War Laufey Dominated Summer Game Fest
Engagement and views don't always translate into sales, but I am sure the games in this top tell will be among the best sellers of late 2026-late 2027.
Re: Fascinating PS5 Sales Estimates Peg Ghost of Yotei as a Triumph
Sales for Yotei are expected to be in the 5-10 million range, as hardcore players prefer single-player, story-driven games. I hope SIE takes this as a clear message to have at least 2-3 single-player games per year and not to waste studio resources on multiple live-service games (scattergun approach).
Re: Xbox Planning Major Layoffs Next Month, Could Involve a Studio Closure
Bad decisions by previous leadership means Asha sadly has to make very difficult decision to trim the bloat and cut the losses.
It doesn't matter if you go multiplat or exclusive if you have bitten off more than you can chew. Hopefully Xbox gets back to a healthy position for consumer choice and for the future security of staff.
Re: Halo: Campaign Evolved Is Another PS5 Disc That Requires a Download to Actually Play
I don't expect this to sell well on PS5, probably not worth the additional dev cost to port it.
Re: Fable PS5's Innovative Life Sim Loop Has Me Smitten
I would be happy to delay GTA 6 to Feb 2027 to play this in October or November. I guess either way we are eating good.
Re: Xbox Will 'Try to Do More' Console Exclusives if the Health of Its Business Improves
"It’s hard to find examples of platforms out there that don’t have exclusive services and content."
She knows that Xbox will fail as a platform/Ecosystem if it has no exclusive content.
We shall see how it pans out in the future, but I think that beyond Forza, COD, and TES 6, most other games wouldn't sell that much on PS5 anyway.
Fable is one that I think will sell reasonably well, and to be honest, it probably needs to go to PS5 given it was probably given a larger dev budget on the condition it was multiplat.
I don't think Halo or Senua will sell that well on PS, and it's not like these games don't cost addtional time/money to develop.
I think they are realizing that outside the big hitters, it just isn't worth the effort to spend years trying to get PS5 fans to love Halo and Gears. It's not even about growing Xbox; it's about not wasting money on an audience that doesn't want it. When you have only 300k players buying Saros, you might think Gears and Clockwork could do even worse, and that's just a waste of time.
I guess if Xbox fails, all we can expect is higher prices and less content from Sony.
Re: PS5 Fans Ponder Whether Kena: Scars of Kosmora Has Been Delayed
March 2027 would be a good slot
Re: Dragon's Dogma 2 DLC Is Real, Huge Dark Arisen Expansion Releases on PS5 in October
I loved Dragon's Dogma 2, and I am so pleased to see there is finally some DLC. I can imagine playing the game on a portable will be awesome too.
Re: Kingdom Hearts 4 Magically Returns in New PS5 Gameplay Trailer
Never been a Kingdom Hearts Fan, but the trailer for this looks really good! I might have to check out the remastered Trilogy.
Re: Stunning PS Vita Action RPG Muramasa Is Being Reborn on PS5 Next Year
Another one for the wishlist!
Re: The PS5 Release Schedule for Fall 2026 Is Now Beyond a Joke
A little dry over the summer, but in autumn there's plenty to keep gamers busy until GTA 6 arrives.
Re: Rumour: Halo PS5 Trailer Was Planned for State of Play, Sony Allegedly Angered by Removal
@Naughtyottsel92 Who? lol
Re: Whoops! Xbox Accidentally Uploads Gears of War PS5 Trailer
"Chief Strategy Officer Matthew Ball dropped a “no comment” on the situation."
Didn't Matt Ball explain in a video to Dring that the strategy fell into 3 categories and that Xbox was having more exclusives in the future?
I still think them pulling this from PS was the right choice, even if they made a last-minute choice to undo some of Sarah Bond's deals. PS has its own exclusives, and Xbox and Nintendo should have theirs. Give consumers a real choice in the ecosystem. Just keep the same energy when Herman Hulst has to close down another studio because of another live service failure.
Re: Rumour: Halo PS5 Trailer Was Planned for State of Play, Sony Allegedly Angered by Removal
It's not MS's job to tiptoe around PS executives' feelings lol. I doubt they were that bothered tbh though.
Re: Xbox Revives State of Decay 3 for PS5 in 2027
@Bez87 That is a lot of words to try and convince me that a 40 million plus PC install base is not enough to sell well. PS5 has a similar attach rate to Xbox and Nintendo despite having a much bigger install base. Most PS5 players are casuals who play NBA, FC and live service games, as demonstrated by player numbers. Saros has sold less than 500k units, and Gears Reloaded sold under 300K units. If I were MS, I would not bother either. Forza makes sense because they know they can get 5 million plus units sold.
Re: Reaction: Mealy-Mouthed Microsoft Takes Us Back to 2023 with Mixed Messaging on Xbox Exclusivity
No idea why people are so worried about it or see it as an issue. Especially PS5 players. There are plenty of games to enjoy on PS5. Just don't expect games from Xbox or Nintendo, and then you can't be disappointed (if you even want those games). I am fortunate enough to have all the consoles, so I get the respective exclusives for each console and take advantage of each ecosystem's best features.
I get that there is a need to drive engagement to the website for ad revenue, but it's really a non-issue for most people.
Re: Xbox Revives State of Decay 3 for PS5 in 2027
@Bez87 "Only 40 million units." Come on, 40 million units of anything is still a lot by any metric.
Re: Xbox Revives State of Decay 3 for PS5 in 2027
This is best as a multiplayer game, so the bigger the audience, the better.
Re: 'These Are Not Timed Exclusives': Xbox Says Gears of War, Clockwork Revolution Are Never Coming to PS5
@Naughtyottsel92 Who is "you Xbox guys". I am a gamer, I like all Platforms and want them all to do well.
Re: 'These Are Not Timed Exclusives': Xbox Says Gears of War, Clockwork Revolution Are Never Coming to PS5
@Naughtyottsel92 PS5 has as many exclusives as Xbox right now. I think it is reasonable to expect all these platforms to have exclusives.
Re: 'These Are Not Timed Exclusives': Xbox Says Gears of War, Clockwork Revolution Are Never Coming to PS5
@Greifchen Might be previous agreements, State of Decay might have multiplayer, which would be better on multiple platforms.
Re: Poll: Who Had the Best Not-E3 Livestream This Week?
@Oram77 Trust me, if you are a Persona fan, you would get how big this is. If you don't get it that's cool.