I've been calling this out for years (and more recently the same issue exists with EA Play). Sony Customer Services cannot help, despite suggestions on various forums that they can revoke your license for individual games.
@get2sammyb - I've seen the option to buy one or two titles, but the issue is definitely NOT fixed on PS5.
I have the option to buy Destruction Allstars and Bugsnax, but not Worms Rumble, Oddworld Soulstorm or Control. I've redeemed, downloaded and deleted all five games on PS Plus.
Microsoft got this spot on with their "Buy To Keep" option.
@Spoonman-2 Same. In fact, I got half way through and realised I'd probably rather be playing Wipeout. Plus I've got the Hot Wheels DLC for Forza 3 which I've never got around to playing.
There's a bit more to this than has been reported. Yes the tables have been remastered with the new physics and graphics engine, but they also announced...
1. All existing FX3 tables with the exception of Portal and The Walking Dead will be made available for Pinball FX, but not all at launch
2. More will be announced in terms of pricing, with some special offers and bundles to 'soften the blow' for existing owners
3. The more realistic 'pro' physics and graphics mode (currently optional only on the Williams tables) will be enabled on all other tables
I'm a huge fan and own all tables, so I'm probably biased but also hugely disappointed that they won't carry across. I'd be happy to pay an upgrade fee, or even pay full price for the base game, but that wouldn't work for new players who would then also have to buy the tables as well. The only other viable option for them in terms of revenue would be a subscription model, which I definitely wouldn't want.
Thanks, I looked for this when it launched and it wasn't available in my region.
@David187 - Toro is a PlayStation mascot but rarely seen outside of Japan and Hong Kong. A few themes in the PS3 era, and costumes for Everybody's Golf... and of course an appearance in Astro's Playroom which was a nice touch.
I have an import copy of Toro Let's Party on PS3, and still play Everybody's Putter Golf with Toro (also PS3).
@jgrangervikings1 Nothing springs to mind, the last one I can think of was PixelJunk Racers but that was on PS3.
Super Pixel Racers (PS4) wasn't great, and had an isometric/scrolling view, rather than the entire track on screen. It reminded me a bit of Skidmarks if you remember that. Ultimate 2D Racing was also rather dull, also on PS4.
Personally I'm looking forward to Circuit Superstars later this year.
The trouble is, all this publicity is simply highlighting the opportunity to make a quick buck. So many more people (not just hardened scalpers) are now trying their luck as well.
The irony is there's very few, if any, "system-seller" games for PS5 - so my recommendation, despite having one myself, is not to pay the premium and wait until supply improves... but that could be a long time!
Unfortunately no-one cares when it involves an already expensive games console - a non-essential luxury item. Same goes for sneaker resale. At least people paid attention when scalpers applied the same practise to supplies of hand sanitiser last year. It's a worrying trend...
I'm really enjoying Vigor, checking up on my builds and a couple of encounters each day. I spent a lot of time years ago on FUT & MUT but not any more. Plenty of single player games on the pile too (GoW, GoT, Miles etc), so I agree you just can't keep up with everything.
If anyone is still having problems, trying resetting the controller. There's a pinhole on the back with a button inside, hold for 5 seconds... that's it. Do it whilst the PS5 is on and connected via USB, then press the PS button to re-pair.
From the article... "The new standalone version of Red Dead Online will require up to 123GB of disk space and will also include the option to unlock Red Dead Redemption 2: Story Mode (purchased separately)."
1. Do you know the maximum size external HDD that the PS5 supports?
2. Can you comment on the PS+ cloud save data functionality?... is it the same as PS4 or can it sync automatically like XB1?
3. Does the PS5 have a hardware-based 'beep' when switched on, and can this be disabled?
I've got a few Playlink titles, strange that Sony wouldn't list these in the non-compatible list. Makes me think they might actually work after all (strictly speaking they are not companion apps). RDR2 on the other hand... the map feature was useful.
It's quite apparent here who has first hand experience of both current gen consoles, and who doesn't. Let me add something which may help...
On PS4, although save data is automatically backed up to online storage (for PS+ members only), this is done outside of the game - they have no awareness of it and cannot access the online save data unless it's manually downloaded by the user, before loading the game. The few games that have cross-save functionality between PS3/PS4/Vita are using their own cloud storage, not the PS+ online storage.
On Xbox (for all users, Xbox Live not required), it doesn't just upload save data, it synchronises, ie. data is automatically downloaded if the cloud save is newer. That's a key difference. It also happens in-game, handled by the o/s, with no user intervention. I was genuinely impressed when I bought a Xbox One X last year (no experience of previous Xbox consoles, PS since 1995). It's like having the PS cross-save system, but implemented automatically for every single game.
So two very different approaches, one of which lends itself to cross-gen with little input/thought from the developer.
All of that aside, it doesn't explain why PS4 save data can't be used by certain PS5 games once you've copied it across manually (via online storage or USB). My guess is it's the way save data is held in specific SKU folders. The same reason why some PS3 & PS4 games have separate save data for digital and disc versions. Hopefully this doesn't become an issue when playing backwards compatible PS4 games on PS5.
Sorry for the long post, I hope it helps.
TL;DR - Xbox synchronises save data automatically, PS4 doesn't (who knows about PS5, that's pure speculation at this stage).
As expected, but still a shame, particularly for those one-off gems from PS3 era that didn't get milked with endless sequels and remasters. Thinking of Mini Ninjas, Burnout Crash, Last Guy, The Saboteur...
Still interested in why the 1% wouldn't work. I assume it's handling PS4 games natively (as opposed to emulation), so everything should run... I guess they're saying some won't be playable due to certain accessory limitations... but it has USB ports so mics, portals etc should be fine?
And so it begins... PS4 was flooded with PS3 remasters, and here we are 4 months before release and already PS4 remasters are being announced for PS5.
They are great games but not worth rebuying. Hopefully backwards compatibility allows both to run on PS5, and also the DualShock 4 can be used in multiplayer.
Maybe it's the angle, but the O (circle, whatever!) button looks incredible close to the edge of the controller. More so than the DS4 which had all 4 buttons positioned on a flat surface before the curved grip started.
I've previously been frustrated by the 'own' it on PS+ therefore can't purchase in a sale issue - also to be told by PS support they can't help.
It didn't occur to me that the same would happen with EA Access. I bought a 12 month subscription because because my youngest wanted to play Madden 20 (and it worked out cheaper than buying it) but now I realise I can't grab Star Wars BFII on PS+.... the whole situation is ridiculous. If Microsoft can do it (Buy to Keep) why can't Sony??
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Re: PS Plus Oversight Is a Bummer for PS3, PS Vita Owners
@Floki Some people prefer both 😉
Re: PS Plus Oversight Is a Bummer for PS3, PS Vita Owners
I've been calling this out for years (and more recently the same issue exists with EA Play). Sony Customer Services cannot help, despite suggestions on various forums that they can revoke your license for individual games.
@get2sammyb - I've seen the option to buy one or two titles, but the issue is definitely NOT fixed on PS5.
I have the option to buy Destruction Allstars and Bugsnax, but not Worms Rumble, Oddworld Soulstorm or Control. I've redeemed, downloaded and deleted all five games on PS Plus.
Microsoft got this spot on with their "Buy To Keep" option.
Re: Rejoice! Hot Wheels Unleashed Looks Like a Ton of Fun
@Spoonman-2 Same. In fact, I got half way through and realised I'd probably rather be playing Wipeout. Plus I've got the Hot Wheels DLC for Forza 3 which I've never got around to playing.
Re: Pinball FX Is Coming to PS5 in 2021, But You'll Need to Rebuy Your Tables
There's a bit more to this than has been reported. Yes the tables have been remastered with the new physics and graphics engine, but they also announced...
1. All existing FX3 tables with the exception of Portal and The Walking Dead will be made available for Pinball FX, but not all at launch
2. More will be announced in terms of pricing, with some special offers and bundles to 'soften the blow' for existing owners
3. The more realistic 'pro' physics and graphics mode (currently optional only on the Williams tables) will be enabled on all other tables
I'm a huge fan and own all tables, so I'm probably biased but also hugely disappointed that they won't carry across. I'd be happy to pay an upgrade fee, or even pay full price for the base game, but that wouldn't work for new players who would then also have to buy the tables as well. The only other viable option for them in terms of revenue would be a subscription model, which I definitely wouldn't want.
Re: PS4 Firmware Update 8.50 Beta Invites Being Sent Out by Sony
It's a shame we've not had any notable PS5 firmware updates (new features etc) in over 3 months since launch.
Re: Sony Shutting Down Mobile Match-Three Puzzler Toro and Friends
Thanks, I looked for this when it launched and it wasn't available in my region.
@David187 - Toro is a PlayStation mascot but rarely seen outside of Japan and Hong Kong. A few themes in the PS3 era, and costumes for Everybody's Golf... and of course an appearance in Astro's Playroom which was a nice touch.
I have an import copy of Toro Let's Party on PS3, and still play Everybody's Putter Golf with Toro (also PS3).
Re: Rule 34 Means We Don't Recommend Googling PS5's Renzo Racer
@jgrangervikings1 Nothing springs to mind, the last one I can think of was PixelJunk Racers but that was on PS3.
Super Pixel Racers (PS4) wasn't great, and had an isometric/scrolling view, rather than the entire track on screen. It reminded me a bit of Skidmarks if you remember that. Ultimate 2D Racing was also rather dull, also on PS4.
Personally I'm looking forward to Circuit Superstars later this year.
Re: PS5 Scalpers Continue to Scoop Up New Stock
The trouble is, all this publicity is simply highlighting the opportunity to make a quick buck. So many more people (not just hardened scalpers) are now trying their luck as well.
The irony is there's very few, if any, "system-seller" games for PS5 - so my recommendation, despite having one myself, is not to pay the premium and wait until supply improves... but that could be a long time!
Re: PS5 Stock Shortage Has UK Politicians Pushing for Online Bot Ban
Unfortunately no-one cares when it involves an already expensive games console - a non-essential luxury item. Same goes for sneaker resale. At least people paid attention when scalpers applied the same practise to supplies of hand sanitiser last year. It's a worrying trend...
Re: Soapbox: I Can't Keep Up with Service Games
I'm really enjoying Vigor, checking up on my builds and a couple of encounters each day. I spent a lot of time years ago on FUT & MUT but not any more. Plenty of single player games on the pile too (GoW, GoT, Miles etc), so I agree you just can't keep up with everything.
Re: Reaction: Sony's New PS Store Is Actively Preventing Fans from Spending Money
Agreed - it really is rubbish.
PSPrices is great but often overwhelmed with demand. PlatPrices.com is a good alternative...
https://platprices.com/en-gb/news/113-psn-sale-december-22-2020-united-kingdom
Re: Spider-Man Remastered May Also Get 60 FPS, Ray Tracing Mode
It's live. Downloading now...
Re: eBay Users Are Trying to Flog Photographs of the PS5
Definitely not a new low... who remembers the infamous eBay auctions for an Xbox box?
Re: PS5 Controller Not Charging in Rest Mode - How to Fix DualSense PS5 Controller Charging Issue
If anyone is still having problems, trying resetting the controller. There's a pinhole on the back with a button inside, hold for 5 seconds... that's it. Do it whilst the PS5 is on and connected via USB, then press the PS button to re-pair.
That fixed my charging issue immediately.
Re: Red Dead Online Gets Standalone Version From Next Week
From the article... "The new standalone version of Red Dead Online will require up to 123GB of disk space and will also include the option to unlock Red Dead Redemption 2: Story Mode (purchased separately)."
Re: Rumour: Red Dead Redemption Collection Leaked, But It's Almost Certainly Fake
@JapaneseSonic They meant GTA V
Re: Some PS5 Owners Are Experiencing Rebuild Database, External HDD Woes
No external HDD or Rest Mode right now?... the two things I'll be doing the most next week to download my PS4 library.
Re: Reminder: Bugsnax Is Now Available to PS Plus Members on PS5
Maybe it's me, but I genuinely couldn't find a link to add Bugsnax to my library in the PS+ section of the new store... it really is terrible.
Searched manually for it and added no problem.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered Adds Five New Trophies on PS5
@BearsEatBeets it's a new game, with a new (and separate) trophy set.
I still want to know if it will be available to buy separately to the Miles Morales special edition...
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered Reveals Two More Fantastic Suits
Do we know if/when the PS5 remaster will be available separately to the Miles Morales special edition?
Re: PS5 Review - The Future of PlayStation
Great write-up Sammy. A couple of questions...
1. Do you know the maximum size external HDD that the PS5 supports?
2. Can you comment on the PS+ cloud save data functionality?... is it the same as PS4 or can it sync automatically like XB1?
3. Does the PS5 have a hardware-based 'beep' when switched on, and can this be disabled?
Re: November 2020 PS Plus Games Are Available to Download Now
And yet the useless new PS Store still offers NFS Payback and Vampyr on the "This month on PlayStation Plus" page....
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/ps-plus/this-month-on-ps-plus/
Seriously, they haven't even spell checked it. NFS Payback encourages you to "Win aganist all odds".
Embarrassing.
Re: The New PS Store for Web, Mobile Is a Dramatic Downgrade
@RedShirtRod Seems this is the approach everyone takes these days. Apple and Google have been doing it for years.
Re: You May Not Be Able to Enjoy PlayLink Games on PS5
I've got a few Playlink titles, strange that Sony wouldn't list these in the non-compatible list. Makes me think they might actually work after all (strictly speaking they are not companion apps). RDR2 on the other hand... the map feature was useful.
Re: Sony Didn't Allow Japanese Media to See PS5's User Interface
Day one UI update incoming...
Re: Overcooked 2 Celebrates Moon Harvest Festival with Free Update
@Flurpsel You might want to try Moving Out, Tools Up, or my personal favourite Think of the Children.
Re: DIRT 5, Maneater Saves Won't Transfer from PS4 to PS5
It's quite apparent here who has first hand experience of both current gen consoles, and who doesn't. Let me add something which may help...
On PS4, although save data is automatically backed up to online storage (for PS+ members only), this is done outside of the game - they have no awareness of it and cannot access the online save data unless it's manually downloaded by the user, before loading the game. The few games that have cross-save functionality between PS3/PS4/Vita are using their own cloud storage, not the PS+ online storage.
On Xbox (for all users, Xbox Live not required), it doesn't just upload save data, it synchronises, ie. data is automatically downloaded if the cloud save is newer. That's a key difference. It also happens in-game, handled by the o/s, with no user intervention. I was genuinely impressed when I bought a Xbox One X last year (no experience of previous Xbox consoles, PS since 1995). It's like having the PS cross-save system, but implemented automatically for every single game.
So two very different approaches, one of which lends itself to cross-gen with little input/thought from the developer.
All of that aside, it doesn't explain why PS4 save data can't be used by certain PS5 games once you've copied it across manually (via online storage or USB). My guess is it's the way save data is held in specific SKU folders. The same reason why some PS3 & PS4 games have separate save data for digital and disc versions. Hopefully this doesn't become an issue when playing backwards compatible PS4 games on PS5.
Sorry for the long post, I hope it helps.
TL;DR - Xbox synchronises save data automatically, PS4 doesn't (who knows about PS5, that's pure speculation at this stage).
Re: The Dream Is Dead: PS5 Will Not Play PS3, PS2, or PS1 Games
As expected, but still a shame, particularly for those one-off gems from PS3 era that didn't get milked with endless sequels and remasters. Thinking of Mini Ninjas, Burnout Crash, Last Guy, The Saboteur...
Re: Katamari Damacy Reroll Finally Comes to PS4 This November
Awesome, I'd given up on this coming out on PS4.
Re: PS5 Is the Biggest Console Sony's Ever Made
And we thought the Series X was big!
Re: 99% of PS4 Games Can Be Played on PS5, Says PlayStation Boss
Still interested in why the 1% wouldn't work. I assume it's handling PS4 games natively (as opposed to emulation), so everything should run... I guess they're saying some won't be playable due to certain accessory limitations... but it has USB ports so mics, portals etc should be fine?
Re: PlayStation Store Essential Picks Sale Discounts Some of PS4's Best Games
I'd buy FIFA for £4.19, except I can't as I have an active EA Access subscription (that won't be renewed). I thought this was meant to be resolved?
Re: PlayStation Blog's The Drop Post Has Been Missing for Two Months Now
I miss the PS3 days when all new releases were listed in a "New This Week" section... every single game, DLC, avatar and theme.
Re: Rumoured Remaster of Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit Appears on Amazon UK
As a remaster, I wonder if this will be added to EA Access (or EA Play by then) on release.
Re: Sony's Finally Resolved the PS Store's Biggest Flaw
Not working for me. If I view Fall Guys on the PS4 store I only get the option to Start, no "Add to Cart £15.99" as per the example above.
Anyone else?
PS. Running beta firmware v8.00 b3 if that makes any difference.
Re: Disabled Gamers Raise Concerns Over Decision to Scrap PS4 Pads on PS5
A good opportunity to highlight the great work done by the Special Effect charity.
https://www.specialeffect.org.uk/
https://www.youtube.com/c/specialeffectcharity
Re: Overcooked: All You Can Eat Is a PS5 Remaster of Both Games and All DLC
In that case, I hope you enjoy them.
Re: Overcooked: All You Can Eat Is a PS5 Remaster of Both Games and All DLC
And so it begins... PS4 was flooded with PS3 remasters, and here we are 4 months before release and already PS4 remasters are being announced for PS5.
They are great games but not worth rebuying. Hopefully backwards compatibility allows both to run on PS5, and also the DualShock 4 can be used in multiplayer.
Re: PS5 Controller to Get Hands On Showcase Tomorrow
Maybe it's the angle, but the O (circle, whatever!) button looks incredible close to the edge of the controller. More so than the DS4 which had all 4 buttons positioned on a flat surface before the curved grip started.
Re: Astro's Playroom Is a Free PS5 Platformer That Comes Pre-Loaded on the Console
Is the camera required though, as it was on The Playroom on PS4?
Re: Project CARS 3 Cuts Corners on PS4 This Summer
Test Drive Unlimited 3... now there's a racing game we need some info on.
Re: All PS Plus June PS4 Games Available to Download Now
I've previously been frustrated by the 'own' it on PS+ therefore can't purchase in a sale issue - also to be told by PS support they can't help.
It didn't occur to me that the same would happen with EA Access. I bought a 12 month subscription because because my youngest wanted to play Madden 20 (and it worked out cheaper than buying it) but now I realise I can't grab Star Wars BFII on PS+.... the whole situation is ridiculous. If Microsoft can do it (Buy to Keep) why can't Sony??
Re: Mafia III: Definitive Edition Doesn't Seem to Include Any Upgrades
So basically the Deluxe Edition that I already own?
Re: Reminder: Claim Your Free Copies of Uncharted, Journey Even If They're in Your PS4 Library
@iceno1 They're yours to keep permanently.
Re: Reminder: Claim Your Free Copies of Uncharted, Journey Even If They're in Your PS4 Library
I was able to this with the Uncharted Collection, but not Journey.
Re: Sony Makes Uncharted: Nathan Drake Collection and Journey Available for Free on PS4
Lots of people asking the obvious question... will we be able to "buy" these if already redeemed on PS+?
Re: Guide: Can You Get Disney Plus on PS4?
If they had any sense they'd bring the UK launch forward... nothing else to watch with all the sport being cancelled.
Re: 2K Sports to Make 'Fun, Approachable' NFL Games for PS5
Great news, whatever the outcome.
Re: The Official PlayStation Community Forums are Being Shut Down This Month
Wouldn't be at all surprised if soon after this they remove the ability to comment on the Blog posts. Serves no purpose as no one replies.
Re: Two Point Hospital Deep Dive Is 11 Minutes of Informative Goodness
Pre-ordered ages ago, despite owning already on PC. The sofa is calling...