Wow this thread... I don't see the point of review bombing because of this. A review is supposed to be a well rounded opinon of a game. I think, given what I have read, that it would be next to impossible to objectively give TLOU2 a 0. That would have to mean the graphics, sound, gameplay, story etc. were all utterly unplayable. What it seems to be is that some people don't like the story for whatever reason.
That's fine - you do you and sure, if you were going to review you would knock some points off of it it you thought the story was bad. If enough people thought that, meta critic would take that into account and while critically well received, it might have a lower user score. That is the entire point of meta critic.
Bombing it is just juvenile - I didn't like something as much as someone else, i am going to give it a ridiculous score to show my disapproval. I love TLOU and like any fan, I'm worried the story won't go in a direction I like. I may not like the story of this game.
I see PSVR 2 to be a mid gen or later release focusing first on backwards compatibility with the existing headset. I would love for PSVR to not need an external box on PS5.
Well after getting through Bloodborne chalice dungeons I am battering through the lovely new Chinese Room game on Apple Arcade. If I get time some more Mirror’s Edge Catalyst as I wait for TLOU2 to arrive!
I still think this will be an Uncharted Lost Legacy situation. Same city, same type of missions, limited to no gameplay changes other than a few new abilities, possibly the ability to play the full spidey campaign but ultimately less than 10 hour campaign for Miles.
Nice review. I'm on the fence about the semi open world that ND has been moving to since UC4 however, I loved the world of TLOU so this may be a match made in heaven.
Regardless, I was always going to play this day one. I bought a Playstation for the first time since the PS2 primarily to play this game and it was the first PS4 game I played and it got me back into gaming big time.
The tin hat wearer in me almost thinks its like Activision WANT you to be only able to fit a few games on your HDD so you'll keep it installed and go back to it more...
... or they are just too cheap to pay for good optimization of disc space.
I have lots of the easy platinums in my list, including a few cross plat ones for Vita and PS4 (I have no shame). In terms of difficulty, a few that caused me some issue but to be honest, in comparison to those above they are way easier. Probably the ones that were 'skill' based were Wolfenstein the New Order and Old Blood just because it had a lot of challenges however those were fun plats. I looked at the trophy list of the The New Colossus and thought... nah not a chance.
This weekend will be dominated by what I hope will be the final push on getting the platinum for Bloodborne. Thanks to @Shigurui ‘s encouragement, I got passed the Watch Puppy then smashed the defiled Amygdala, farmed the last few resources for the final chalice dungeon and am on the Phtumerian Descendant. Other than that, possibly some more Mirrors Edge Catalyst
Bloodborne is one of those games that really did make people buy a PS4 to play - not necessarily in huge numbers but, for example, Souls games get a lot of views on Youtube and on Twitch and I know several youtubers comment that they have a PS4 as well as PC for this game.
I think that if Bloodborne comes to PC it will be a good thing as it will open the game up and possibly fuel funding and desire for a second game or something else which will also start as a PS4 exclusive.
As anyone who has followed my comments over the last few years the answer is Bloodborne. I have played the campaign several times, and am now going for the platinum. The truth is, I don't know why. I suck at the game - it takes me ages to do any bosses and I get proper stressed at it. I just love the world and lore I think as well as the atmosphere.
Well haven’t gone back to Bloodborne after failing to do much more than tickle The Watchdog Pooch on defiled chalice. May give it another shot. Sort of killing time now while I wait for Last of Us 2. Maybe some more Wipeout 2048 on vita and start a smaller backlog game. Possibly the Sexy Brutale
Fast Travel is a must for me given my time but I do like to at least ride or walk through each new area once rather than just dart from objective to objective. I still miss things but at least I get a feel for the location.
Backwards compatibility is a big deal for me - particularly my digital PS4 library which is pretty hefty. If those come with me to PS5 it would naturally make me favour the PS5 over other games and also mean I would be more happy to get PS5 nearer launch since i can continue with my backlog.
I think older generations would also be great but to be honest, less of a priority. I believe that platform holders are missing a trick by not giving a full library out there.
@Shigurui Wow nice, I have nowhere near the skills you do but it looks like the trick is defo to keep clear close and duck from the head. I suck at beast fights and tend to do far better at Hunter fights since I favour a skill build. Thanks for the advice!!
Finishing off Lara Croft GO on Vita, doing a collectible run now for the plat and then I will return to the Defiled Chalice dungeons and try to beat the Big Doggie thing as I painfully try and get a platinum trophy on Bloodborne. I give it 1-2 nights before I rage quit again.
Odyssey was good but too large. I found that I would go to a new area and aside from the grindy stuff, do a couple of missions and move on. I'd only ever get familiar with the hub areas, like Athens.
To me I want a full open world rather than an empty one. HZD was perfect size for me, each area felt unique, had unique enemies in a lot of cases and came with a different flavour of story missions.
Shame apart from the online only element I was looking forward to this. I wonder though if this was a victim of the post ghost recon breakwind debacle and their reorg afterwards.
I do want quicker load times. AC Odyssey when i played on XB1 was an example - the time it takes me to boot up the console, select the game and open my load was upwards of 5-7 minutes in some cases but sometimes, I only get a short window of 30-40 minutes and it means I have to plan ahead or waste some precious precious time.
I mean all media is pretty knackered from autumn onwards since no new games, films, music, tv shows can really be produced unless they are in pre-production and roll when lockdown ends or they are in post production and can be worked on from home but even then it will be difficult. Makes you wonder what the normally light first year next gen game rollout will be.
I think we need some kind of technological breakthrough or must have tech, like the DVD player element to meet PS2 sales in the future but yes, the PS4 has done gangbusters and I really wouldnt have predicted that at the start of the generation.
Console gaming is clearly in good shape and I think that if backwards compat exists for PS4 digital and physical libraries, there will be a significant people that will see this as an upgrade rather than switch boats.
@Westernwolf4 Hey, no worries! As a big fan of the franchise, I quite like the game. It is an old school AA budget game so not huge and old fashioned in a lot of ways. There are 3 difficulties and on normal you need normal resource management but haven’t found it too challenging and so would imagine easy would be a breeze. I got it in the sale for £15 and that seems like a good price for an 8 hour ish game.
Should finish off Terminator Resistance and get the Plat this weekend and then may move to Deracine on PSVR. Also going to play Burly Men At Sea on Vita and maybe more Ratchet and Clank 1 on Vita too.
The question is, will these be remakes or quick remasters with very little gameplay changes? I'd be up for a proper remaster as never played the original trilogy but going back to a slightly sexier graphic original doesnt appeal.
I agree that the tone and reveals make a difference and personally, neither have blown me away. In a lot of ways, my favourite console reveal was the Nintendo Switch, it sold the concept and the USP of the device well and then gave an indication of when you would hear more. Second major reveal had a release date
Odyssey was a very well made game but my only issue was the grind. It felt excessive and the cynic in me can only think it was to make the XP and progression boost micro transactions more attractive. For those of us who a game like Odyssey will take months to get through due to time limitations, I felt like this was a deliberate design choice.
Farming Simulator is a weird choice because it is a very niche title with a fanbase that would either buy it or not. Having two sims is so weird. Amazing how quickly people forgot Uncharted Remasters and Journey though!
@LN78 Very good example actually. People hated on the film because they didn't like the politics of the main actress. The market decides 2 things - how well something does and how it is remembered. It may make a butt ton of money but the quality will out and it won't be remembered as a good game. Captain Marvel turned out to be alright and that is how people remember it.
I'm one of those people that really didn't like The Last Jedi. No silly political reasons, just didn't like it as a movie or as a star wars movie. So when Rise of Skywalker came out, i just didn't go and see it. No fuss. No internet hate campaign. Not for me, won't support it.
Wow the world just keeps getting madder and madder?
Apart from corporate espionage, why on earth do people care that much. I very much care about workers rights and I think the reported crunch culture is an industry issue that ought to be addressed.
However, people getting angry with a game, or its creators for not catering to their personal political views, even to the point of defamation and outright lying is utter madness.
The game comes out soon. If you are interested, play it. If not, don't. If this whole anti woke thing is as widespread as its proponents suggest, no one will buy it and the game will bomb, this changing future games. Or it will do well and prove that is a vocal minority sentiment.
Only played a few AC games but in Odyssey, it was my least favourite portion and always seemed to come in the most interesting part of the historical narrative.
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Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
Wow this thread... I don't see the point of review bombing because of this. A review is supposed to be a well rounded opinon of a game. I think, given what I have read, that it would be next to impossible to objectively give TLOU2 a 0. That would have to mean the graphics, sound, gameplay, story etc. were all utterly unplayable. What it seems to be is that some people don't like the story for whatever reason.
That's fine - you do you and sure, if you were going to review you would knock some points off of it it you thought the story was bad. If enough people thought that, meta critic would take that into account and while critically well received, it might have a lower user score. That is the entire point of meta critic.
Bombing it is just juvenile - I didn't like something as much as someone else, i am going to give it a ridiculous score to show my disapproval. I love TLOU and like any fan, I'm worried the story won't go in a direction I like. I may not like the story of this game.
Re: Low-Fi Is a Cyberpunk Virtual Reality Release Coming to PS5
I see PSVR 2 to be a mid gen or later release focusing first on backwards compatibility with the existing headset. I would love for PSVR to not need an external box on PS5.
Re: Police Called to Lidl in France After Insane PS4 Deal Draws Huge Crowds
Wow that is mad that a) they would drop it that low and b) not expect crowds of people.
Hell, I'd buy a spare for that price!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 328
@Nah900 Right leg right leg!!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 328
Well after getting through Bloodborne chalice dungeons I am battering through the lovely new Chinese Room game on Apple Arcade. If I get time some more Mirror’s Edge Catalyst as I wait for TLOU2 to arrive!
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Is a Remaster of the 2018 Game with New Content
I still think this will be an Uncharted Lost Legacy situation. Same city, same type of missions, limited to no gameplay changes other than a few new abilities, possibly the ability to play the full spidey campaign but ultimately less than 10 hour campaign for Miles.
Re: The Last of Us: Part II - Essential Sequel Is Naughty Dog's Best Effort
Nice review. I'm on the fence about the semi open world that ND has been moving to since UC4 however, I loved the world of TLOU so this may be a match made in heaven.
Regardless, I was always going to play this day one. I bought a Playstation for the first time since the PS2 primarily to play this game and it was the first PS4 game I played and it got me back into gaming big time.
Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Season Four Is Out Now, But Fans Are Angry
The tin hat wearer in me almost thinks its like Activision WANT you to be only able to fit a few games on your HDD so you'll keep it installed and go back to it more...
... or they are just too cheap to pay for good optimization of disc space.
Re: Feature: Our PS5 Reveal Event Predictions, Hopes, and Dreams
Little Big Planet 4 by Sumo is my guess.
Re: The Hardest PS4 Platinum Trophies
I have lots of the easy platinums in my list, including a few cross plat ones for Vita and PS4 (I have no shame). In terms of difficulty, a few that caused me some issue but to be honest, in comparison to those above they are way easier. Probably the ones that were 'skill' based were Wolfenstein the New Order and Old Blood just because it had a lot of challenges however those were fun plats. I looked at the trophy list of the The New Colossus and thought... nah not a chance.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 327
This weekend will be dominated by what I hope will be the final push on getting the platinum for Bloodborne. Thanks to @Shigurui ‘s encouragement, I got passed the Watch Puppy then smashed the defiled Amygdala, farmed the last few resources for the final chalice dungeon and am on the Phtumerian Descendant. Other than that, possibly some more Mirrors Edge Catalyst
Re: Hands On: The Last of Us 2's World-Building Is Almost Unmatched
I loved some of the lore bits in TLOU - Ish in the bit after Pittsburgh was a great bit of storytelling, even though it was through notes etc.
Re: Sounds Like Bloodborne Will Release on PC
Bloodborne is one of those games that really did make people buy a PS4 to play - not necessarily in huge numbers but, for example, Souls games get a lot of views on Youtube and on Twitch and I know several youtubers comment that they have a PS4 as well as PC for this game.
I think that if Bloodborne comes to PC it will be a good thing as it will open the game up and possibly fuel funding and desire for a second game or something else which will also start as a PS4 exclusive.
Re: Feature: The PS4 Games We Keep Coming Back To
As anyone who has followed my comments over the last few years the answer is Bloodborne. I have played the campaign several times, and am now going for the platinum. The truth is, I don't know why. I suck at the game - it takes me ages to do any bosses and I get proper stressed at it. I just love the world and lore I think as well as the atmosphere.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 326
@Shigurui No Fear mate - had another bash and down to 20% health. This puppy will be mine...
... then another week on the defiled Amygdala!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 326
Well haven’t gone back to Bloodborne after failing to do much more than tickle The Watchdog Pooch on defiled chalice. May give it another shot. Sort of killing time now while I wait for Last of Us 2. Maybe some more Wipeout 2048 on vita and start a smaller backlog game. Possibly the Sexy Brutale
Re: Soapbox: Cyberpunk 2077 and the Question of Fast Travel
Fast Travel is a must for me given my time but I do like to at least ride or walk through each new area once rather than just dart from objective to objective. I still miss things but at least I get a feel for the location.
Re: PS5 Fans Are Panicking Over Backwards Compatibility
Backwards compatibility is a big deal for me - particularly my digital PS4 library which is pretty hefty. If those come with me to PS5 it would naturally make me favour the PS5 over other games and also mean I would be more happy to get PS5 nearer launch since i can continue with my backlog.
I think older generations would also be great but to be honest, less of a priority. I believe that platform holders are missing a trick by not giving a full library out there.
Re: Days of Play PS4 Sale - All Discounts on PS4 Games, PS Plus, PSVR, and More
@JohnnyShoulder Wow, glad I was quick!
Re: Days of Play PS4 Sale - All Discounts on PS4 Games, PS Plus, PSVR, and More
Hmm I managed to get Days Gone for £15 from Game but maybe the prices have changed.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 325
@Shigurui Wow nice, I have nowhere near the skills you do but it looks like the trick is defo to keep clear close and duck from the head. I suck at beast fights and tend to do far better at Hunter fights since I favour a skill build. Thanks for the advice!!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 325
Finishing off Lara Croft GO on Vita, doing a collectible run now for the plat and then I will return to the Defiled Chalice dungeons and try to beat the Big Doggie thing as I painfully try and get a platinum trophy on Bloodborne. I give it 1-2 nights before I rage quit again.
Re: Maneater - Underwater Far Cry Is Fintastic
Oh wow - I actually kinda want this now.
Re: Marvel's Iron Man VR Demo Edges Closer to Release with Backend Patch
The demo was great at EGX last year and really looking forward to the game. Will get at launch I think.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla Map Is Larger Than Odyssey's, According to Fan-Translated Interview
Odyssey was good but too large. I found that I would go to a new area and aside from the grindy stuff, do a couple of missions and move on. I'd only ever get familiar with the hub areas, like Athens.
To me I want a full open world rather than an empty one. HZD was perfect size for me, each area felt unique, had unique enemies in a lot of cases and came with a different flavour of story missions.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla Reveal Is the Most Viewed Trailer in Ubisoft History
Only coz I did a trailer reaction video obvs.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 324
For me it is Deracine on PSVR if I get a chance, maybe some more Metro First Light and I have some Lara Croft go on the Vita!
Re: Skull & Bones Practically Walks the Plank as Game Skips Next Fiscal Year
Shame apart from the online only element I was looking forward to this. I wonder though if this was a victim of the post ghost recon breakwind debacle and their reorg afterwards.
Re: Poll: Are You Noticing PS4 Loading Times More Since PS5's Reveal?
I do want quicker load times. AC Odyssey when i played on XB1 was an example - the time it takes me to boot up the console, select the game and open my load was upwards of 5-7 minutes in some cases but sometimes, I only get a short window of 30-40 minutes and it means I have to plan ahead or waste some precious precious time.
Re: Games Industry Will Feel Real Impact of Coronavirus Next Year
I mean all media is pretty knackered from autumn onwards since no new games, films, music, tv shows can really be produced unless they are in pre-production and roll when lockdown ends or they are in post production and can be worked on from home but even then it will be difficult. Makes you wonder what the normally light first year next gen game rollout will be.
Re: PS4 Console Sales Surpass 110 Million with 41.5 Million PS Plus Subscribers
I think we need some kind of technological breakthrough or must have tech, like the DVD player element to meet PS2 sales in the future but yes, the PS4 has done gangbusters and I really wouldnt have predicted that at the start of the generation.
Console gaming is clearly in good shape and I think that if backwards compat exists for PS4 digital and physical libraries, there will be a significant people that will see this as an upgrade rather than switch boats.
Re: Sony Breaks Silence with PlayStation Studios Reveal
Bits of me tingled that I didn't know I had...
Re: Star Wars Episode I: Racer Delays PS4 Podracing Yet Again
Pity I was going to get this as I just like the game and doesn't run well without a CRT on my N64.
Re: Soapbox: PS5 Will Be Sold on the Strength of Its Sequels
I had to vote Bloodborne but all are looking good.
As for me, i want a sequel to The Inpatient. I dub it, the Out Patient where a loony doctor gets rid of ingrowing toenails painfully.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 323
@Westernwolf4 No problem and enjoy!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 323
@Westernwolf4 Hey, no worries! As a big fan of the franchise, I quite like the game. It is an old school AA budget game so not huge and old fashioned in a lot of ways. There are 3 difficulties and on normal you need normal resource management but haven’t found it too challenging and so would imagine easy would be a breeze. I got it in the sale for £15 and that seems like a good price for an 8 hour ish game.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 323
Should finish off Terminator Resistance and get the Plat this weekend and then may move to Deracine on PSVR. Also going to play Burly Men At Sea on Vita and maybe more Ratchet and Clank 1 on Vita too.
Re: Poll: How Much Do 'True' Gameplay Trailers Matter to You?
Loved the Horizon Zero Dawn and God of War gameplay trailers, a good mix with an idea of how it plays.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla Won't Be the Longest or Biggest Game in the Series, Says Ubisoft Dev
Smaller is better - Odyssey was great but too large for me. It was just too spread out even though the world was amazing
Re: Mass Effect Trilogy HD Remaster Is Finally Happening, Apparently
The question is, will these be remakes or quick remasters with very little gameplay changes? I'd be up for a proper remaster as never played the original trilogy but going back to a slightly sexier graphic original doesnt appeal.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Trailer Showcases Incredible Gameplay and Visuals
Oooh I got the tingles. Admittedly, that could be because of a rash from an unrelated health issue but still..
This is going to be brutal.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Naughty Dog's 'Most Ambitious Game'
I cannot wait for this bad boy. Even though I had it spoilt that Joel’s beard isn’t real.
Re: Soapbox: Sony Needs to Share a PS5 Roadmap
I agree that the tone and reveals make a difference and personally, neither have blown me away. In a lot of ways, my favourite console reveal was the Nintendo Switch, it sold the concept and the USP of the device well and then gave an indication of when you would hear more. Second major reveal had a release date
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla Won't Waste Your Time with Unnecessary Grinding
Odyssey was a very well made game but my only issue was the grind. It felt excessive and the cynic in me can only think it was to make the XP and progression boost micro transactions more attractive. For those of us who a game like Odyssey will take months to get through due to time limitations, I felt like this was a deliberate design choice.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 322
Well going to be going for the platinum of Ghost Giant on PSVR and then either finishing off Metro Last light or start Terminator Resistance
Re: PS Plus May 2020 Reveal Has Been a Disaster, One of the Worst Received Months Ever
Farming Simulator is a weird choice because it is a very niche title with a fanbase that would either buy it or not. Having two sims is so weird. Amazing how quickly people forgot Uncharted Remasters and Journey though!
Re: Don't Believe Everything You Read About Naughty Dog Right Now
@LN78 Very good example actually. People hated on the film because they didn't like the politics of the main actress. The market decides 2 things - how well something does and how it is remembered. It may make a butt ton of money but the quality will out and it won't be remembered as a good game. Captain Marvel turned out to be alright and that is how people remember it.
I'm one of those people that really didn't like The Last Jedi. No silly political reasons, just didn't like it as a movie or as a star wars movie. So when Rise of Skywalker came out, i just didn't go and see it. No fuss. No internet hate campaign. Not for me, won't support it.
Re: Don't Believe Everything You Read About Naughty Dog Right Now
Wow the world just keeps getting madder and madder?
Apart from corporate espionage, why on earth do people care that much. I very much care about workers rights and I think the reported crunch culture is an industry issue that ought to be addressed.
However, people getting angry with a game, or its creators for not catering to their personal political views, even to the point of defamation and outright lying is utter madness.
The game comes out soon. If you are interested, play it. If not, don't. If this whole anti woke thing is as widespread as its proponents suggest, no one will buy it and the game will bomb, this changing future games. Or it will do well and prove that is a vocal minority sentiment.
Re: Of Course Assassin's Creed Valhalla Brings Back the Worst Part of the Series
Only played a few AC games but in Odyssey, it was my least favourite portion and always seemed to come in the most interesting part of the historical narrative.
Re: EGX Rezzed 2020 Cancelled As Coronavirus Situation Continues
@Haruki_NLI Absolutely and I think they may well be kept into the summer at the very least.