As someone that played thousands of hours between this game and the first one, I can safely say this will not fix the current state of the game.
A title that aims to be free to play but really is fleecing it's players with the new barebone season model - with the season pass gimmick included - contributing absolutely nothing but the same washed down recycled "horde-lite" activity, returning weapons and armour and maps while actual endgame is left to one raid with the same ol mechanics every year at this point while all the new and exciting looking gear is only available in the cash shop - this franchise is a slap across the face of the players that stuck by it and made it what it is today.
Endagame like Destiny? Coming from a die hard Destiny player that made the jump to PC when the game went to steam I can tell you that not even Bungie has figured out how to make a live service game, they have however figured out how to alleviate the playerbase of their cash to get the coolest stuff in game while recycling everything else but the cash store.
Destiny Y2 was an example of how live service games should work, maybe not the 3rd season so much, but current Destiny is a shallow experience that looks only to engage your wallet.
FF XIV on the other hand is a much better example.
@get2sammyb yeah, I can only compare it to XGP and every time there's an update on new games added there's some strong games in there, most of them brand new.
I'm considering PS Now because my PS plus is running out and I have no real motive to carry on since I switched to PC, so Now feels like the way to go - but I've played most of the exclusives and the rest of the offer just doesn't seem that great in comparison, which makes me wonder if I'll have any time to jump from one to the other or consider it once I ran out of gamepass games I wanted to play.
Permanent exclusives are a thing of the past, people need to get on board with that.
Playing is not just a console or a PC, it's an ecosystem, and the ones that integrate better are the ones that stand to benefit from it. In this particular regard PS is behind.
@kyleforrester87 I remember...first Vault of Glass completion still pops up on the load screen of D2 with your names on it... Good times!
@DonJorginho I have to agree with you there, I'm still playing D2 every week, but their current monetisation of the game is absolutely ridiculous, and lets not forget the fact that the game as it is now as lost all PvE and PvP endgame focus in detriment to a horde mode objective based thingamabob that comes and goes every 3 months but it's effectively the same thing. Current season is a snooze fest and I'm dreading the Dawning launch today with yet another expensive suite of skins and bullshit for way too much money. It has become a FOMOfest basically.
But the game itself and its model, it does deserve a place in these lists.
@LowTech not sure about the building someone else's base but I have gone to other players bases to get some resources from their farms, that was hilarious. Not stealing mind you, people are nice and just advertise the location of some insane farms. But I haven't played in a year, so not sure if any of that changed.
@LowTech nah, last I played I just randomly found people about the planet, and you can join or have others join you. If you go closer to the center of the universe you'll find the settlements, there are a few official "colonies" where players have gathered.
It's pretty much what they said, minus the huge sandworms.
@Hengist I mean I have a sub until 2021 and I haven't touched my PS4 or any of the free games since the GamePass on PC came out - last time I logged in was to turn off the auto renewal for the subscription to Plus. Paying a few quid a month for an expanding gallery of hundreds of games including newly released MS owned and first party studios...I don't see where there even is competition, other than Sony exclusives, but that isn't enough to bring me back, and I really wanted to try Death Stranding, but at this point if someone gives it to me for Xmas it'll sit there cuz I just can't be arsed turning the console on, when I got the PC right there...
That is actually super cool! Seems like they're going full RDR2 on this with the attention to detail. I wonder if the vehicles' balls will also be affected by the weather at this rate...
Are we paying for the same PS Plus service? The only service worse than PS Plus I can think of is the Nintendo one. Sony needs to step up its game when it comes to staying relevant on the Subscription Service side of things, paying more money for less on games and often their quality isn't an acceptable deal, far from their best service...
@Deadlyblack He never sticks with a project for long enough, apparently he's a bit of a nightmare to work with.
Hopefully they manage a few seasons out of this, but they should've gone with someone else in order to get some more longevity, there's so much story to tell.
They're gonna go through another 260 vs PS3 on the next generation in my opinion. Their services are worst than MS in terms of Plus vs Game Pass, the fact that the neXt Box is gonna incorporate game streaming and a box all in one and Playstation is just dissing it is just not very good at all.
Sure they will have exclusives and such but that will be mostly single player. The way I see it I will be getting and Xbox for 90% of my gaming needs including multiplayer and a Playstation for a few exclusives and maybe VR down the line if it improves radically.
I think the negativity it is getting it's because it's released along with PES, which is not for everyone and everyone that wanted to play it has it already. It was an incredibly senseless move from Sony.
Respect to them - work on the game you have before you try to make more money off of it on other platforms.
If only all developers had this game focused approach instead of keeping their eyes on the dollars, the gaming industry would be in a much better place.
More passion project full games with a clear vision that offer what it promises on day one and then some, less incomplete, broken, identity devoid, steaming piles of microtransactions.
Everybody is saying how Microsoft didn't capitalize on Sony not being at E3, but what I saw was MS set itself up like Sony did at the end of the 360/PS3 cycle.
And not just in terms of IP or studio power. Microsoft as stepped up and shown itself as a pro consumer company with this E3. The Game Pass offer is incredible, pretty much unbeatable in any current subscription services. On the other hand, Playstation Plus is demanding more and more of you and delivering less as time goes on. Hopefully they will be pressed by the great value offer from MS and do somehting about it, or I'll just go ahead and get a PC for Stadia and Game Pass.
"The new area itself will play host to a range of different challenges, and it’s all set to evolve over time, with the whole thing clearly designed to keep players engaged."
Just stop already. If you're already playing 1 DaS type game it's mainly a second job, hardcore players may leave for a bit but they will always come back. There's only time on anyone's calendar for one of these games and at this point, they have picked theirs.
@Eldritch And in that line of thought the reason why R*'s Red Dead Online 2 is failing is because the people that were playing GTA:O are still engaged with that game and have invested heavily in it to get back.
There's one option in this type of game, you either release a superior game to whats already existing with added bonuses to get people off other games and into yours, offer more content and better features, or you're going to release a barebones experiment that won't keep people for long.
And for crying out loud stop cannibalizing your own products, you can't sell two live service games to the same people and wonder why it's failing.
Problem is, with a games as a service model you realistically have enough time to put into one game of that kind, then you build a little community around that game and it's hard to move on. Let's just say it was fortunate that Destiny 2 made it's recovery with Forsaken when it did, or this would've been quite different I believe.
I would've given it a shot but I'm too busy with Destiny, so it's pointless to invest into another game when I know I have so much to achieve there right now.
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Re: Gallery: PS5 Fans Are Getting Creative with DualSense Colour Combos
Looks like Borat's thong to be fair, if they made it a very sick fluorescent green
Re: Borderlands 3's Next Big DLC Has One Helluva Title
@Shigurui fair dos, thanks for the info fam!
Re: Borderlands 3's Next Big DLC Has One Helluva Title
Weren't DLC free anyway? I'm confused.
Also, when's this coming to Steam?
Re: Destiny 2 Finally Brings Back Trials of Osiris Next Month
As someone that played thousands of hours between this game and the first one, I can safely say this will not fix the current state of the game.
A title that aims to be free to play but really is fleecing it's players with the new barebone season model - with the season pass gimmick included - contributing absolutely nothing but the same washed down recycled "horde-lite" activity, returning weapons and armour and maps while actual endgame is left to one raid with the same ol mechanics every year at this point while all the new and exciting looking gear is only available in the cash shop - this franchise is a slap across the face of the players that stuck by it and made it what it is today.
Re: Talking Point: What Free March 2020 PlayStation Plus Games Do You Want?
@b1ackjack that's a hell of a wait to spend a lunch break.
Re: Soapbox: 7 Things BioWare Needs to Fix to Rebuild ANTHEM
Endagame like Destiny? Coming from a die hard Destiny player that made the jump to PC when the game went to steam I can tell you that not even Bungie has figured out how to make a live service game, they have however figured out how to alleviate the playerbase of their cash to get the coolest stuff in game while recycling everything else but the cash store.
Destiny Y2 was an example of how live service games should work, maybe not the 3rd season so much, but current Destiny is a shallow experience that looks only to engage your wallet.
FF XIV on the other hand is a much better example.
Re: ANTHEM Still Has Christmas Decorations as BioWare Remains Silent on Future Plans
@frankmcma same for the Division 1 to be fair...
FOR 3 WHOLE YEARS!!!
Re: PS Now's February Update Adds The Evil Within, LEGO Worlds, and Cities: Skylines
@get2sammyb yeah, I can only compare it to XGP and every time there's an update on new games added there's some strong games in there, most of them brand new.
I'm considering PS Now because my PS plus is running out and I have no real motive to carry on since I switched to PC, so Now feels like the way to go - but I've played most of the exclusives and the rest of the offer just doesn't seem that great in comparison, which makes me wonder if I'll have any time to jump from one to the other or consider it once I ran out of gamepass games I wanted to play.
Re: Is a New PSVR Launching Alongside PS5 This Year?
If VR can drop the cables and not skimp out on the library like Quest has done in order to achieve this, you got me.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Job Listing Asks for PC Experience, Has Some PlayStation Fans in an Uproar
Permanent exclusives are a thing of the past, people need to get on board with that.
Playing is not just a console or a PC, it's an ecosystem, and the ones that integrate better are the ones that stand to benefit from it. In this particular regard PS is behind.
Re: Dying Light 2 Is Yet Another PS4 Game to Suffer From a Major Delay
At this rate, are there any games planned for the first half of 2020?!
Re: Rumour: GTA 6 Development for PS5 Supposedly Outed by UK Tax Return
@DonJorginho Please make it so.
Re: MLB The Show 19 Is the Best-Selling Baseball Game of All Time
@get2sammyb I see! Pretty cool for people that like it then, always heard good things about it to be fair.
Re: MLB The Show 19 Is the Best-Selling Baseball Game of All Time
But is it the only baseball game? Just curious, not trolling at all.
And I mean as a franchise currently, like FIFA has PES, does this one have any competition?
Re: Poll: Will PlayStation Exclusives on PC Affect Your PS5 Purchasing Intent?
@DonJorginho that is actually a fair point hahahaha
Re: Poll: Will PlayStation Exclusives on PC Affect Your PS5 Purchasing Intent?
Made the jump already a few months ago, best choice I've made.
Now I pay 3 quid a month and have access to a fantastic library of games and exclusives from microsoft - havent touched my playstation since.
Re: Call of Duty Dominates Top 10 List of the Decade's Best Selling Games in the US
Well at least FIFA is not on this least somehow..
Re: Deal: Read The Witcher Novels with The Last Wish at a Low Price
@glassmusic I totally agree, I will still get it, but I'll look a bit longer for the original or follow up edition's ones.
Re: Deal: Read The Witcher Novels with The Last Wish at a Low Price
Was about to click buy but then realized it was the TV series cover.
I ain't about that business.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Gets the Retro Demake Treatment in Amazing Dreams Creation
Quick, someone do a Game Boy cartridge before it becomes mainstream.
Feeling the OG Doom vibe
Re: Game of the Decade: Destiny Paved the Way for Games as a Service
@kyleforrester87 I remember...first Vault of Glass completion still pops up on the load screen of D2 with your names on it... Good times!
@DonJorginho I have to agree with you there, I'm still playing D2 every week, but their current monetisation of the game is absolutely ridiculous, and lets not forget the fact that the game as it is now as lost all PvE and PvP endgame focus in detriment to a horde mode objective based thingamabob that comes and goes every 3 months but it's effectively the same thing. Current season is a snooze fest and I'm dreading the Dawning launch today with yet another expensive suite of skins and bullshit for way too much money. It has become a FOMOfest basically.
But the game itself and its model, it does deserve a place in these lists.
Re: You Can Now Make Music in No Man's Sky with Latest Update on PS4
@LowTech not sure about the building someone else's base but I have gone to other players bases to get some resources from their farms, that was hilarious. Not stealing mind you, people are nice and just advertise the location of some insane farms. But I haven't played in a year, so not sure if any of that changed.
Re: You Can Now Make Music in No Man's Sky with Latest Update on PS4
@LowTech nah, last I played I just randomly found people about the planet, and you can join or have others join you. If you go closer to the center of the universe you'll find the settlements, there are a few official "colonies" where players have gathered.
It's pretty much what they said, minus the huge sandworms.
Re: Deal: Get a Year of PS Plus for £30 This Black Friday in the UK
@Hengist I mean I have a sub until 2021 and I haven't touched my PS4 or any of the free games since the GamePass on PC came out - last time I logged in was to turn off the auto renewal for the subscription to Plus.
Paying a few quid a month for an expanding gallery of hundreds of games including newly released MS owned and first party studios...I don't see where there even is competition, other than Sony exclusives, but that isn't enough to bring me back, and I really wanted to try Death Stranding, but at this point if someone gives it to me for Xmas it'll sit there cuz I just can't be arsed turning the console on, when I got the PC right there...
Re: Random: Russian Fans Recreate Hideo Kojima and Death Stranding Characters in Matryoshka
@antdickens it was obviously a comment in jest...
Re: Random: Russian Fans Recreate Hideo Kojima and Death Stranding Characters in Matryoshka
If no one is gonna say it I guess it is my responsibility to point out....
...slow news day?
Please don't ban me. <3
Re: Rumour: PS Plus August PS4 Games Leaked Well Ahead of Schedule
Would legitimately like to try SWB2
Re: An Alien Protagonist in Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Would Have Been 'Really Cool', Says Director
@KALofKRYPTON precisely. A shame for sure!
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Weapon Animations Change as You Get Better at Using Them
That is actually super cool! Seems like they're going full RDR2 on this with the attention to detail. I wonder if the vehicles' balls will also be affected by the weather at this rate...
Re: Guide: Will PS Plus Be Required on PS5?
PS Plus is one of Sony's best services?!
Are we paying for the same PS Plus service? The only service worse than PS Plus I can think of is the Nintendo one. Sony needs to step up its game when it comes to staying relevant on the Subscription Service side of things, paying more money for less on games and often their quality isn't an acceptable deal, far from their best service...
Re: PS Plus July 2019 PS4 Games Changed After Fan Backlash
Wait, what?! Sony listening to the fan backlash?! Quick ma, get the camera!
Re: The Witcher Netflix Series Gets First Real Promo Images
@Deadlyblack He never sticks with a project for long enough, apparently he's a bit of a nightmare to work with.
Hopefully they manage a few seasons out of this, but they should've gone with someone else in order to get some more longevity, there's so much story to tell.
Re: Sony Thinks PlayStation Is Too Big to Ignore
They're gonna go through another 260 vs PS3 on the next generation in my opinion. Their services are worst than MS in terms of Plus vs Game Pass, the fact that the neXt Box is gonna incorporate game streaming and a box all in one and Playstation is just dissing it is just not very good at all.
Sure they will have exclusives and such but that will be mostly single player. The way I see it I will be getting and Xbox for 90% of my gaming needs including multiplayer and a Playstation for a few exclusives and maybe VR down the line if it improves radically.
Re: Soapbox: You Should Check Out Horizon Chase Turbo When it Drifts onto PS Plus in July
I think the negativity it is getting it's because it's released along with PES, which is not for everyone and everyone that wanted to play it has it already. It was an incredibly senseless move from Sony.
Re: Infinity Ward Refutes Claims Activision Is Forcing Studio to Make Modern Warfare Darker
The war is dark and full of terrors
Re: PS Plus July 2019 PS4 Games Announced
Looks like Sony had very little to do with the previous month's 2K freebie as suspected...
If I didn't need the bloody thing for online multiplayer I'd be so done with PS plus by now, prices go up, quality goes down. Good going Sony!
Re: Kratos Almost Axed from God of War PS4 in Favour of a Brand New Protagonist
Ha!
he said Axed...
Re: The Division 2's Latest Update Seems to Break Enemy AI and Damage Output Again
@LowTech You should really go try Anthem my dude, you'll get back into Dvi 2 in no time with a renewed passion, 100% guaranteed!
Re: The Metal Gear Solid Remake Made in Dreams Has Handed Over the Tools to You
The title brought me here but it was @kyleforrester87 that really kept me going.
Solid 8.2/10 for the banter based on my 25 years experience with gaming and 27 in the use of logic to shut things down.
Re: CD Projekt RED Fully Focused on Current-Gen for Cyberpunk 2077, PS5 Version Is a 'Maybe'
Respect to them - work on the game you have before you try to make more money off of it on other platforms.
If only all developers had this game focused approach instead of keeping their eyes on the dollars, the gaming industry would be in a much better place.
More passion project full games with a clear vision that offer what it promises on day one and then some, less incomplete, broken, identity devoid, steaming piles of microtransactions.
Re: No Man's Sky Community Thank Hello Games by Hiring a Billboard Outside the Studio's Office
From death threats to a thank you billboard and lunch and beers. If this aint a success story I haven't see one just yet.
Re: E3 2019: Bethesda's Todd Howard Regrets Not Running a Larger Scale Beta for Fallout 76
@Octane you have my deepest condolences
Re: Talking Point: Should Sony Introduce a Game Pass Subscription of Its Own?
Everybody is saying how Microsoft didn't capitalize on Sony not being at E3, but what I saw was MS set itself up like Sony did at the end of the 360/PS3 cycle.
And not just in terms of IP or studio power. Microsoft as stepped up and shown itself as a pro consumer company with this E3. The Game Pass offer is incredible, pretty much unbeatable in any current subscription services. On the other hand, Playstation Plus is demanding more and more of you and delivering less as time goes on. Hopefully they will be pressed by the great value offer from MS and do somehting about it, or I'll just go ahead and get a PC for Stadia and Game Pass.
Re: Good News? ANTHEM's Cataclysm Event Is Still Coming
"The new area itself will play host to a range of different challenges, and it’s all set to evolve over time, with the whole thing clearly designed to keep players engaged."
Deja vu anyone?
Re: PSVR's Inevitable PS5 Successor Could Be a Dramatic Improvement
TBF this is what's keeping me from getting one right now.
Re: Remember Ouya, the 'PlayStation Killer'? Well Now It's Dead
It is so dead that you now have to use a Ouya board to communicate with it at this point.
Re: DayZ Is Coming to PS4 Next Week, Over Four Years After the Original Announcement
@playstation1995 Something I'd actually pay for
Re: Sony Wants to Improve Its Use of Games as a Service, Increased Output for PS5
Just stop already. If you're already playing 1 DaS type game it's mainly a second job, hardcore players may leave for a bit but they will always come back. There's only time on anyone's calendar for one of these games and at this point, they have picked theirs.
Re: The Division 2 Sales Didn't Meet Ubisoft's 'Ambitious Expectations'
@Eldritch And in that line of thought the reason why R*'s Red Dead Online 2 is failing is because the people that were playing GTA:O are still engaged with that game and have invested heavily in it to get back.
There's one option in this type of game, you either release a superior game to whats already existing with added bonuses to get people off other games and into yours, offer more content and better features, or you're going to release a barebones experiment that won't keep people for long.
And for crying out loud stop cannibalizing your own products, you can't sell two live service games to the same people and wonder why it's failing.
Re: The Division 2 Sales Didn't Meet Ubisoft's 'Ambitious Expectations'
Problem is, with a games as a service model you realistically have enough time to put into one game of that kind, then you build a little community around that game and it's hard to move on. Let's just say it was fortunate that Destiny 2 made it's recovery with Forsaken when it did, or this would've been quite different I believe.
I would've given it a shot but I'm too busy with Destiny, so it's pointless to invest into another game when I know I have so much to achieve there right now.