The Last of Us 2 Job Listing Asks for PC Experience, Has Some PlayStation Fans in an Uproar

I dont think it means much. It says console OR pc programming experience and they had the same description a while ago.

I wouldn't imagine console vs PC programming is all that different these days. Both are x86 and a lot of API/engines are shared. I would imagine if you know PC, you can quickly earn console and vice versa.

Also, adding PC versions of a game isn't a bad thing. If you love something, wouldn't you want more people to experience it?

Devs use PCs to develop games.

I mean.

Come on lmao.

Panic over just saw last of us part 2 and initlally thought delay lol. I dont mind ps exclusives going to pc as long as there is enough of a gap min 12 months. Although sony should not put every exclusive to pc as then it will cheapen the ps brand. Ive been with ps since the start and one of the reasons i continue to stay is the exclusives. Never had an xbox as none of the exclusives really appeal to me shooters or racing, doesnt justify paying for it, also batteries for controllers lol.

OMG! After all, games are developed on consoles, right?

pretty sure NDs games from the past have asked this the PS4 & PS5 has a PC architecture I even think PS3 games had this in job requirements in the past if I'm not mistaken. games are made this way.

@Deadlyblack yep they have had this on PS3 ads this is being used to stir the pot after the horizon news.

The way budgets are going in the gaming industry, it makes sense that companies are going to pay for development by allowing as many people as possible to purchase it. This is the price of flashy graphics.

Lol, loaded this site up, saw TLoU2, assumed it was delayed.

Some people right now...

@Neolit Im more excited for the Last of Us 2 then i was for Spiderman. But ND released 3 games this generation thats more then Rockstar they only released 1 and a Remaster. 😋

Horizon Zero Dawn 2 how will part 2 look. 🤯

This is an old job listing from 2018, it doesn't mean anything: https://twitter.com/AidenMux/status/1218971653146845185

Nvidia and DX knowledge is not required nor mandatory for the job. A programmer with the previous experience can learn in a relatively short time how to work on AMD hardware with Vulkan/OpenGL, even apple job listings ask for experience with any modern GPUs.

This rumour was started for a site with bad reputation (jackofallcontrollers), this was clearly a clickbait move by them so don't pay much attention.

@Neolit The first game sold 17 million between PS3 and PS4. How is it not a system seller? If it gets ported to PS5, it certainly will sell more PS5 consoles.

@Flaming_Kaiser hey now, are you counting last of us remastered or uncharted the lost legacy as a "game"? i wouldn't. lost legacy was a side story or expansion. naughty dog has only released one game this console generation — uncharted 4 and soon to be released last of us 2. larger and more expansive games eat a lot of the resources so i expect 2 games to be the norm with ps5 as well.

Bored of rumour n 'reports. Real news or none at all

Hey Sammy I need to email you something about ps5?
I don’t see any email addresses

@InsertUsername I thought he/she was being sarcastic? Last Of Us 2 is 100% a system seller imo.

@TheBuzz When they said they're looking for someone with PC experience, I don't think that's what they meant

@InsertUsername How about the Last of Us with the Last of Us 2 engine on PS5. 😀

@Porco Pay @Flaming_Kaiser no mind 😆😆 I don't know his beef with Rockstar. Bet you if GTAV or RDR2 was exclusive to PS4 it'd still sell more than any of ND's games. I'm a big fan of those 2 Devs but facts is facts.

@TheArt Isnt it true then its 2 games this generation? I was waiting for response. Atleast the Brittish people can pay taxes too support them. 😋

@Fred_Red You might want to come back to the internet in 9-10 months.

I really don't understand why anybody cares about PS games being on PC. You still get to play on your PS4 don't you? Like seriously, what's the big deal?

@tulaib_100 scroll to bottom of page. There is a contact link in the blue footer bar you can use

@Flaming_Kaiser Well yes it's 2 games - GTAV and RDR2, whereas you could say it's only 1 for ND so far - Uncharted 4. Why? Because the massive amount of content and significant enhancements for GTAV on PS4 can't be compared to PS3's. TLOU Remastered on the other hand is just that - remastered - pixels bumped up and a few extra details that's it.

Sony, hurry up and give people something concrete so all this idiotic speculation can end. It’a more nauseating than Star Wars fan theories.

One thing for sure, sony has to explain their policy on exclusive on feb ps5 meeting, don't do it like DS where's it seems it's true exclusive and 1-2 weeks before launch, kojipro announces the game will be on pc.

Man sony will have the most easy transition ever from ps4 to ps5 if they didn't screw up like ps3 era, just make ps5 as powerful as possible with the console price in mind, expand and their online service and make it better, and keep making great 1st party games, I don't know why they make weird decision like porting their exlusive games on pc, what they will get from selling their games on pc is peanut compared to the money they're getting from the playstation ecosystem.

I wish Sony would hurry and confirm all this already. Why would I save for a PS5 when I can get a gaming PC that can play their exclusives along with Xbox's exclusives?

I play everything from everyone on my pc and I couple it with the next Switch and you're set!? If Sony goes this route than PC+Switch pro is the way to go next gen.

People need to chill.

@NathanUC Well it sort of is..why should console gamers pay full price for the inferior version while pc gamers get more content, better resolution and fps for the same price?

@NathanUC The point of exclusivity is to make a console the only platform where you could play certain games on, which adds value to that console. Bringing those games to PC basically devalues that console. It's not about not wanting to reach as many players as possible, but more about upholding a console's worth.

EDIT:
Personally, if it's just for some of Sony's least popular first party games (just to entice PC only gamers to come to the Playstation ecosystem) it's probably okay. But if this is Sony's way of setting a precedent to bring all of their first party games to PC, it might be a bit of a problem for players that don't game on PC.

@Odin1985x It depends on what you value. To me, a PC version is always inferior for my use. Sure, graphics, framerate, and features are all 'better', but I'm done dealing with PC gaming. I deal with computer/application/server/network issues all day for my job. When I get home, I want to push one button and start playing a game. No dealing with drivers, updates, launchers, peripherals, etc. I did the PC gaming for 15 or so years, but I'm done with it.

You don't have to pay full price on games either. If you aren't happy with performance, wait for a sale (unless you're a Nintendo gamer...). Buying a brand new game doesn't really make much sense most of the time.

I wouldn't be surprised if something like HZD went on PC considering the fact that the CEO of Guerrilla Games is the CEO of Sony now if I am correct.

@Alfieburns The big deal is that bringing first party exclusives to PC would devalue the PS4 as the only platform where you could play certain games on.

@WildStrike The consoles worth is what the market makes it. If you plan to buy/play on PS4 anyways, why would the inclusion of a PC or Xbox version devalue the console for you? Exclusives insensitive console sales at the cost of consumer choice.

In the past, exclusivity was more important due to differences in architecture and optimization. Console exclusives might have more time to put into fine tuning and optimization rather than spreading workload to other platforms. Now that all platforms are basically the same (except Nintendo), it just makes sense to spread the love.

The whole idea is we as consumers should have more choices. This idea of exclusives is outdated and just seems to lead to toxic fanboy/girl-ism. This is the same reason why people are pushing for cross platform play. Do you believe in cross platform play? Wouldn't that also devalue the console by your definition?

@NathanUC I think you are missing the point what I said..If Ps releases their exclusives on pc on the same day as ps5 release why should ps gamers pay more money for the crappy version while pc gamers get the top notch experience for the same price. If Sony does that which I'm very certain they will, Sony just literally crapped on their ps customers for PC.

don't see anything there other than a generic job listing, and it's far from indication that last of us 2 on PC is imminent. also, PS5 won't be using AMD GCN graphics architecture, but AMD's new RDNA gpu architecture, so it's more than likely they're just looking for any graphics programmer with any GPU experience. i wouldn't be hugely surprised if there's a PS5 patch or upgrade buff for TLoU2.

@Odin1985x Likewise. I think you missed my point.

I'm saying to me and my uses, PS4 releases are superior and PC versions are inferior. Console experience is by far better than PC gaming experience for me.

What makes you think PlayStation versions will be 'crappy'? What makes you think PC versions will be 'top notch'? There are plenty examples where console games port to PC and have a ton of issues/bugs/performance problems. If you value frame rate and resolution so much, you should be thrilled Sony is releasing more games on PC because it sounds that like is where you want to play. Currently, you don't have a choice. If you want to play HZD, you have to deal with 30fps.

If Sony releases previous exclusives on PC, they will simply be respecting consumers choice.

How does opening up to the PC market make it look like Sony are going to take it's exclusives with it ??? Who thinks like that ??

If anything a high end title would be on PS5 first then maybe a year later PC, it would keep the money coming in and at mid range prices because pc games you can usually find new around £30 most of the time.

The difference in PC and console is cost. Graphics cards are so overpriced today. I have a $500 graphics card in my PC and still play my games on PS4. Sony ask Devs what would you like to see on PlayStation. Number one answer easy programing more like PC!

Got my pop corn and loving the over reaction and toys being thrown out of the pram. Why do people care if more people can play a good game????

Get some perspective on what’s important.

@NathanUC "Do you believe in cross platform play? Wouldn't that also devalue the console by your definition?"

I don't think it makes much difference, in my opinion, because the multiplayer game would already have been multiplatform from the start.

Sony sells 7 million games on PS5 only. Microsoft Xbox sells 5 million on Xbox, 5 million on PC. Microsoft wins!

And fyi that 4chan you guys reported on with all the PS5 leaks is gone😏 something tells me it was pretty legit

@WildStrike Not always though.

There were many cases with this when it came to Fortnite and Minecraft. Consumers felt they had to invest in a separate platform just to play the same games they already own with their friends. Some people were stuck playing (as you call them) inferior versions of these games because they wanted to play with their friends. Isn't this still devaluing a platform because others might not own it? I could be playing Monster Hunter World in 1440p/120hz, but because all my friends play on PS4, that's where I play. Sounds an awful lot like that devalues my PC. Plenty of MH fans bought PS4 JUST to play this masterpiece back when it was console exclsuive. That seems extremely unfair to ask them to spend $200+ sub fees. Once it finally hit PC, they were still 'stuck' on PS4 since there is no cross platform save or MP.

It's anti-choice and anti-consumer. Forcing consumers into bubbles might work well for businesses now, but it's not what is best for the consumers.

why can't i watch the witcher on amazon prime, or the mandalorian on netflix?. wouldn't that be much better for the consumer? if you want to grow a platform, you need something, exclusive content is an obvious example, to differentiate it from everybody else.

Consoles are pretty much PCs nowadays.
Also I find it outrageous! Sony porting it's games to PC so more people can enjoy them? This changes... nothing. More money means bigger budget for their next game which is beneficial for PS4/5 owners.

Who really cares about PC gaming?? Bunch of nerdy little people, not like us cool kids 🙋‍♂️

Still do not understand. I am not owning a PlayStation because if I wait 3 or 4 years I might get a PC port like HZD? 🙄

That is the same nonsense I hear at NintendLife with the Switch and waiting/begging for years to play a 3rd party old port.... Good luck with that.

I have a PC now and with the ability to trade PS4 games with my cousins or use my GameFly subscription to rent them - PS4 still wins out with enough games to make it worth owning. Exclusives or not.

Ellie nude mod in the works.

sad fanboys need to grow up.

@TheBuzz people like you always find a way to make it about their right-leaning politics.
Even chucked in a couple of buzzwords too!
Congrats.
The world is progressing, and people like you are just scared.

@TheBuzz please, explain how Naughty Dog ‘pander to SJWs’ as you put it.
Art reflects life.

They normally put looking for 'PC experience' to on most of these Job adverts tho??? So why now is the internet making such a fuss about it, Hmm, I am thinking it's just the other FanBoyz stirring things up because their Consoles so called Exclusives are on PC to

@Neolit 17 million copies on 2 consoles is quite a number though and i have too be honest i like the Last of Us better then Uncharted a big Ellie fan.

@TheBuzz Cant handle kissing girls i guess. 😆🤣🤣🤣

On the other hand you hear people cry about censorship and on the other hand you have people who canr handle 2 girls kissing.

@leucocyte That's exactly the growing problem with streaming though. It used to be that 'everything' was on Netflix and everyone rejoiced that they no longer needed 15 different cable packages. Now we are getting back to that point where you have to sub to so many streaming services. They all start to lose value at that point. Piracy is back on the rise because of it.

I get that business models have to have SOMETHING unique to offer these days, but all of this exclusivity is a horrible way for them to treat consumers. There are other more consumer friendly ways to demonstrate service worth.

Here to just insist how freaking AWESOME Shenmue III is. Sorry.

Oh. Yea. 2 yrs after PS release is it not exclusive? Song using this for mop up money

Well, they want talented developers to build their next engine, probably. It's extremely unlikely that Sony would put Naughty Dogs' games on PC. It would be similar to Nintendo adding Super Mario games to PC.

ok, this article convinced me that there’s some value to exclusives. thanks.

@TheBuzz thanks for the laugh, man

1. This listing is apparently very old and has been around for a while.

2. Consoles use PC Technology.

3. Developers make Games using PCs.

Overreaction is an understatement.

It would seem a shroud move for Sony to release it's 1st party on PC after a lengthy exclusive period. This will drive system sales. It's important to remember that very few 1st party games make real profit. Their job is to sell systems, and in turn those systems sell 3rd party games and take a cut. It's that cut which drive profit in the platform industry. It is not PS4 unit sales but the potential for their party sales each unit represents that matters to Sony's bottom line.

This Gen was.not.as good as 2nd Gen and many sales where replacement systems PS4 < PS Pro. In most cases still equal only a single user oppertunity.

Market must expand. As the new gen consoles will be more powerful than 80% of current game PCs now it the best conversation oppertunity.

@TooBarFoo ''As the new gen consoles will be more powerful than 80% of current game PCs now it the best conversation oppertunity.''

Just out of curiosity where did you pull that info?

@DominatorV93 I have probably understated in truth. While I am looking at leaked specs for the consoles, PC game specs are very well documented by the steam hardware surveys results which are openly published. In truth, if the consoles spec leaks are correct, and the rate of uplift remains constant in the PC sector. On release of next gen that figure will be 80+.

Over the life of a generation consoles loose ground to PC's just due to the constant hardware refresh. But in 2020 you will get a lot more bang for you buck, and upgrade on your current system, by buying a console for most PC players.

Link to December survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Edit:
Just had a closer look and currently, even at the low end of the console rumours, only 11.2% at the most of PC systems outperform next gen consoles as of December 2019. I based this on GPUs only. Some of these GPUs will be matched with CPUs with less than 8/16 core/threads. So I could of said 90% but I tend to take a conservative view

@TooBarFoo Keep in mind, there have been more than one spec leak for Playstation 5. So you will have to be more specific, for my old sake.

Do you have one leaked PS5 spec in mind, i mean, one that is not utterly crazy like those 14+ TF ones... ?

@Sensechat AAA pc games actually doesn't sell much compared to their console counterpart, gta v which is one of the best selling game ever sold about 100M on console, but "only" sold about 10M on pc, that's a big number but it's only about 10% of total sold. Same with cod, battlefield and others games, there's some exception like pubg, but nearly all 3rd party games sells best on console, pc is just additional money for publishers.

That's why now we didn't see exclusive AAA pc games anymore compared to decades ago, with games like unreal, unreal tournament, quake, crysis, far cry 3, starcraft, diablo 1-2, baldur gate, neverwinter night and many others developed for pc fist and downporting to consoles. Now all pc gamer get is a port of a console games that's upscaled to 4k & 60 fps, if you have expensive pc of course.

Now if you read sony latest fiscal report, you can see that what they're get from their 1st party offerings is a peanut compared to what their get from selling all of 3rd party software, hardware, accessories, subs, etc (their ecosystem). Sony 1st party exclusive games is used for attracting gamers to sony ecosystem which then said gamers will spend money in that ecosystem, if sony sells their exclusives anywhere else, all they get is a few millions which is, again, peanut compared to what they lost if said gamers buy their games on pc and not on sony hardware.

What I trying to say is, in the long run it's not worth it to port sony exclusive to pc, sony better off making mobile gatcha games from their 1st party ip like nintendo rather than porting it to pc.

@DominatorV93 No, these are not real numbers. I have 35 years in chip design (But no relevance to current or next gen MS / PS devices) , a PS5 putting out 14+ Tf will have a double usage as a space heater and airport noise simulator!

I think the DF review of possible states is in the area of reality but I do not think PS can get any with clocking GPU at 2 GHz although I have no inside knowledge of AMD I can see no path to that being practical and stable and long term. (Although MS tried a similar once, red ring of death days.) I also think current MS specs may be overstated although it is clear they are using larger silicon.

If you pretend the terrible current console CPUs don't count, The One X is already better that 60+ percent of gaming PS's But the truth is Frames, physics and game AI (Not the same as Machine learning or "true" AI which is GPU intensive) all need CPU cycles and the current consoles, pro or OG, are really really poor in this regard.

As I said I am conservative in my assumptions, So I see Zen2 8 core 16 thread cpus clocked at 1.8GHz base boost 3Ghz in both PS and MS consoles, and RNDA 2 based GPUs Hopefully not clocked above 1.6 to 1.8 with a 7% IPC uplift n current RNDA performance with 20% of silicon disabled to uplift production yields.

Most commentators would see my view as under spec, and they may well be right. It's hard for me to look beyond the silicon design where they may have a more rounded view.

But still at my "watch the watts, keep it cool" dogma. next gen consoles will kick 80% + current PCs in the butt.

Permanent exclusives are a thing of the past, people need to get on board with that.

Playing is not just a console or a PC, it's an ecosystem, and the ones that integrate better are the ones that stand to benefit from it. In this particular regard PS is behind.

ND needing people with P.C experience

it's almost as if video games are made on a P.C or something

It's sad and pathetic.

It's like these manchildren always loved the fact that they could rub the 'we got god of war/last of us/any other ps exclusive and you don't nyah nyah nyahnyah nyah' card on non-ps gamers' faces and feel superior in a moronic, childish way.

If Sony says that the last of us will cease to be released on playstation and will be exclusive to other platforms, I can understand the complaints then.

If not, shut up and grow up.

Jesus.

"thorough understanding of current GPU architectures"

Translation: "Does anyone know how to do hardware-accelerated real-time ray tracing?!"

I don’t understand why it matters so much that console exclusives may eventually come to pc down the line?? I loved my pc back in the day but constant cpu gpu upgrades to meet expectations of newer games became tiresome and that’s not to mention all the updates and drivers that needs to be installed constantly. If the PS5 is £500 at launch it would be massively cost effective seeing as an equivalent Gpu would set you back £1000 and that’s not to mention another £1000+ to upgrade your cpu motherboard ram and SSD so your gpu isn’t bottlenecked. If money’s no object to you then crack on!

@JohnKarnes but that is not happening for MS is it

@Neolit Naughty Dog

I think GamingFan4Lyf has a good point that ND could just want devs experienced with Ray Tracing. A more unlikely but awesome explanation would be PS Now overhaul next gen, becoming some sort of hybrid with elements of both native and streaming gaming. I'm thinking something along the lines of an emulator that does part of the work natively but streams other aspects.

I'm in the getting-PS5-regardless boat, and I hope PS exclusives go to PC. PC appeals to separate people than consoles and there is zero benefit to making PC gamers buy a PS5 to play PS5 games. Fans are too locked into comparing consoles sold that they don't properly consider the big picture.

Console gamers that buy all 3rd party games on PS instead of PC will still get a PS5. On the other hand only a portion of PC gamers buy a PS console for exclusives, and I imagine most of them ONLY buy the exclusives, saving multi plat for their higher end PC. Those same people would still buy the exclusives on PC so PS still gets the same software revenue, and the minor profits from hardware sales would be vastly overshadowed by the new software sales to the masses of PC gamers that weren't buying PS consoles just for exclusives.

PC launches will not threaten the PS console community. They will only give PS more money to reinvest in the ecosystem, and give MP games larger communities to fend off that inevitable day when lobbies are empty. Imagine how much Last of Us 1 would be helped by added MP gamers. Last of Us 2 will have an MP mode or spinoff next gen, so extra gamers from PC would help.

This also means people don't need to go XB if they want to play as many games as they can with a buddy who games PC, so PS is taking away a reason for buying XB over PS. XB is the only platform PS needs to compete with at the moment. Just don't put exclusives on XB, Nintendo, Google Stadia, etc.

@Neolit Why does it matter whether its sales come from PS4 owners or new comers? If it sells in the double digits, that's a system seller. Also, it would sell just as well if it hits PS5. Lol. There are many people out there who buy consoles very late in the gen, and even buy them again if there's another port. Let's not pretend they don't exist. ;P

@David187 Seems to be serious from the response I got. Lol.

Can’t see what the drama is about. Many people don’t want to faff around with PCs and PlayStation will be the only consoles to play their exclusives on. In the meantime, they can make extra money from selling them to the PC fraternity. It makes good business sense.