CynicalGamer

My friends, most of whom are restricted to playstation, refuse to buy Sega games until the TGS ends as they suspect an acquisition announcement. Honestly I wish platforms would somehow pay for the right to have a game series on their platform (that they did not have before) rather than outright exclusivity. May be a pipe dream though. Oh well.

Edit: I think Persona 6 will get a weird teaser first (like persona 5) rather than an announcement

Anyone know how great the combos feel as you get more skills? With older games I really loved figuring out how to own bosses with insanely long combos on the highest difficulties. No boss spoilers please haha.

I'll uh wait to see how it is after a few months.

Nope. Must. Clear. PS4. Backlog. Otherwise I will end up with a PS5 backlog too lol.

Thanks for reminding me that I'm waiting for Persona 6 lol. This looks interesting. Not sure if the animation style can capture the kind of character emotion that Persona does. But will keep tabs.

If they need more time then by all means. Only problem is when do I buy this now. Elden Ring followed by Horizon FW, the Tiny Tina spinoff, GT7, Forspokenz etc. Not to mention pc games as well haha.

I think I would prefer for the game not to get bigger than the original. "Massive" just gives me Ubisoft vibes.

Sony probably should not have shown a trailer for this at this PS5 event. I for one got annoyed at this game taking up a valuable portion of the allocated time. Something like Kena might have been better.

@LiamCroft Not sure if this would be a spoiler but does this have an awful cliffhanger like Dishonored? I prefer games with potential for sequels rather than a required sequel. If this is spoilerific though, ignore haha.

Naughty Dog released a big game last year. Them being absent isn't a big deal really. Patience is a virtue. Not sure why new COD needed to be shown at this show? Not a negative in my book. Looks like we can expect 3-4 high quality first party games next year on top of the first party games we already got since since launch. Xbox will be playing catch up in 2023. Maybe Kena will be good this year as well? Stray too? And let's be honest, if Hogwarts game was shown, it would be discarded as a third party game. Playstation has a healthy dose of first party and third party.

Honestly don't care about whether I'll be able to play this a few years from now. There will be newer and probably better games to play. Although tbf I guess it would suck for those in areas with bad internet coverage.

Making use of massive backlog on PS4 with performance boost on PS5. Truly amazing how many quality games there are in backlog that play better on PS5.

They released Demons Souls recently. Can afford to wait a bit. A new game likely will take some time to release unless they had another team working on it while developing Demons Souls.

@Flaming_Kaiser Agree on games. Which is why Sony already has solid exclusives this gen. Now the third party games will take over for a few months and then Sony will have more exclusives ready for us. Once PS5 stock stabilises, that is when Sony will start firing on all cylinders on exclusive front. In the short term, they are going to sell out their consoles anyway given supply issues and demand. So makes sense to keep more games on hold for marketing purposes as that's when the console race begins in my opinion.

GOW was the one that got me excited. Basically the event was a success given global reaction. Every game in the trailer will be playable on playstation. Most people won't care about which are first party and which aren't.

On a personal level, I think Tales of Arise, Lost Judgement, Elden Ring, Horizon FW, Forspoken, GT7 is enough gaming for the next few months. Then theres also Far Cry 6 and Dying Light that could fill a gap as well. Add in next gen boost to older games and even better.

@Flaming_Kaiser Fair enough. I however believe third party is just as important. (E.g. Elden Ring) Most people play more third party than first party on consoles in my opinion. First party enthusiasts are a vocal minority really. PS5 versions for first party and third party is stacked for the time being on PS5. For shiny stuff, I have PC. Most playstation gamers aren't forking out for a pc so they are happy with a console with lots of third party games.

I think it was decent. Cringed at Deathloop though. Not too fussed about new games for this year. Enough third party games all the way until Horizon. As for true PS5 exclusives, it is simply not financially worth releasing too many of those atm. Games with PS5 versions is good enough for now. Unless you think PS4 sucked. Because it started with less games. At least we saw some future games.

Honestly I see no reason why they can't revive all their old IPs that they have publish rights to. Personally a game set in Jax and Daxter universe would be awesome. Preferred gameplay of precursors legacy.

@Flaming_Kaiser @Marquez Do agree that Bethesda is a big if.

Regarding the exclusives you mentioned, those also attracted me to getting PS5. I just feel like only Ratchet is a real console seller of those three. Would love to be wrong as if my kind of gaming demographic is bigger than I think, that's good for me.

Edit: removed some redundant sentences.

@Flaming_Kaiser absolutely agree that exclusives can't hurt. I really want those to come our way soon. I just think Sony's data suggests it does not matter in terms of selling consoles. I do think it will matter eventually if the likes of Bethesda starts delivering.

Most people don't buy playstation consoles to play exclusives. They buy it to play games in general. Therefore third party games alone are enough to sell the console to the majority of console gamers. So let's not oversell the importance of this event for Sony.

That being said, I would be very disappointed if they don't deliver some semblance of the future of games from Sony as their games are high quality. Hard to plan vacation, etc around games if their big hitters are silent for a long time. But that is more a problem for me than in gamers in general, I would imagine.

There's too many icons on the map if you ask me... I think it is fine for shorter games like Tomb Raider. I will play this eventually but I less collectables with better creativity would be awesome. I mean Valhalla had some awesome creatively-located collectables as well. It's just most were dull. Same with Far Cry games.

Pretending to insert unimpressed cat face meme. This should be baked a bit...better first. Bad PR can kill a game before it gets time to refine and recover it's reputation.

My friend's wife's cousin has confirmed there will be a new IP reveal. Something to do with cleaning a Dragon's teeth.

For some reason, I really get obsessed with combo counts in these games lol. Should be good.

My significant other has give me notice that when this comes out, we won't be going outside together for hikes very often. Thank you catchy song...

Realistic: Teaser for GOW. Gameplay for GT 7. One brand new IP (maybe from Studio Bend as they must be confident if Days Gone sequel was canned)

Unrealistic: Killzone or Resistance. Imagine they countered Halo with one of these.

Don't show me: Deathloop (I know it's coming). Kena (I know it's coming). More Directors cuts. (Let's dial that down and get new IPs)

Edit: I'm keeping expectations low. Kratos taught me well.

@JB_Whiting Will check out. Thanks.

@johncalmc @JB_Whiting Thanks. Sounds great. The genre is one I have started exploring recently.

Is exploration similar to Hollow Knight where you back and forth after unlocking new skills?

@Gamer_Girl_ I think a lot of GTA purchases may come from buying the same game multiple times been cheaper than microtransactions. Or so I have heard. Another factor is that every year comes with a new bunch of young gamers and they seem to get GTA by default.

@SJBUK yeah I don't think people on this site all quite understand how coding works when making transitions between generations. They complain about crunching but don't realise that their complaints about free upgrades give headaches as well.

Edit: At least according to my game dev friends.

@SilkySmile89 Regarding architecture, I dont think you understand how testing architecture works. Ps4 was using generic engine code. The pipelines have changed for PS5 to leverage it better. They could have stuck to generic engine code. But these new pipelines will lead to more effiecient coding workflows eventually but Devs still need to master this. And yes the SSD needs additional coding given that accessing memory advantages needed this. Not all games use it but some do and that matters.

@SilkySmile89 Please note the first part of my post where I imply Sony is being arrogant somewhat. I just think it overblown.

As consoles become more like computers, Microsoft is in their home territory. Sony needs to catch up there still. They have to pay to bridge that gap.

Also Microsoft can afford to take a loss on gamepass and have their games on pc, xbox, etc. It's a much bigger risk for Sony given they need to sell their consoles as well and don't have the financial cushion that Xbox does. Their only alternative was a partnership with the likes of Google, Amazon, etc to counter Gamepass. So yeah we are possibly paying for ps4 limitations. Putting all their games on pc will affect them negatively and lead to more people to not get a PS5. It is what it is.

Sony can afford to be arrogant atm, Xbox cannot. If the roles are reversed you will eventually get the same arrogance again. At the end of the day I really only care about the games. Sony's delivered so far, Xbox still needs to. Until then, I'll be gaming more on PlayStation. I'll be happier when both Xbox and playstation have high quality games on offer.

As for prices, you can't compare free upgrades from a third party developer to that of an in-house Dev. There are more long term quarterly financial variables to consider as part of a massive corporate structure. There's a reason big corporate companies have more complex performance ratings than start ups as an example...

I can assure you that these free upgrades are a lot more work than people think. Even changing a word in a cutscene script can bring game breaking bugs. I do think it's a bit unrealistic to expect people to pay twice for a game but I don't know if $10 upgrades are that big a deal. Also why are people comparing cross gen upgrades to GPU upgrades. The infrastructure differences of the PS4 and PS5 is not comparable to different graphic cards.

I think it is a decent selection. Maybe when my backlog is less hectic, I will give Hitman trilogy a try eventually. In which case having the second game on Plus could be useful.

Would love to see Persona. My friends are worried about Microsoft reveals at Tokyo Game Show. I can play games whatever platform they come on but would suck if I cannot share my experiences with friends that only have playstations (which is most of friends). Persona appearing would ease those fears.

Reality is that Sony are the frontrunners. Playstation gamers' backlog alone (with performance boost) is better than upcoming Xbox games imo. You can't really blame Sony if their data indicates people are willing to spend a premium. Microsoft would do the same but they simply don't have the stature of Sony atm even with Gamepass. If xbox manage to deliver a series of high quality games, they may be able to pressure Sony eventually. Sony's exclusives are simply a more valuable commodity atm. It's not a case of one company been nicer. It's a case of one having the edge in games currently. Either way I hope they become full fledged rivals again rather than reversal to Xbox dominance as that's when the customer wins more often.

I think I prefer the story driven dlc to microtransactions. I think given executive pressure at these publishers, it's one or the other.

My Arsenal-supporting colleague was just telling us earlier about how he can't seem to find a safe spot anywhere, even online... Lol.

One thing to bear in mind is that this is an enthusiast-centric website. The vast majority of playstation gamers have enough in their backlog to keep them occupied. The vast majority also mostly use ps plus to play online. If you ask the majority of playstation gamers you meet on the street what they think about ps plus freebies or playstation exclusives, they won't really care. Websites like this do however give enthusiasts a unified voice which I appreciate. I personally only use ps plus to play online with exceptions like Control Ultimate.

I think this article could be a good method for determining the average sense of humour of readers. Lol

Since physical Vs digital is a topic here. The main value for me with physical games is that as soon as I'm done they get stored as an ornament. I've done this for multiple generations. Looking at my shelves always brings back fond memories, especially when I have my older fiends visiting. Don't get the same vibe from my digital games. But I guess thats what great about games with physical and digital options. Oh and some of my friends spend far less annually on physical games (due to trading, etc) than I spend on PS Plus, Game pass, etc.

There is no way every single multiplayer experience will be immensely profitable. So it will be smarter to keep up single player games. This obsession from many executives in the industry with capturing the success of other multiplayer experiences is going to cause a lot of development teams to go under. There's way more space for single player games to make a profit than there is for multiplayer.

Now that I think about it, Deathloop is well timed as a PS5 exclusive in that it has less first party competition. Not sure if Director's Cut versions for PS5 will hamper its sales. Whether it measures up well against a packed list of third party games remains to be seen though.

@Northern_munkey Well that got dark hey! As to graphics, yeah you are right about Origins. I tend to assume some disparity between trailers, etc and the final product.

Haha the Yakuza/Judgement games are the only games I forgive when I fail to get platinum. There's always a minigame I struggle with lol.

@PlayNation5 I don't necessarily find the character design bad. It just looks different so would take getting used to haha.

To be honest I find it hard to discern anything insightful from this list. Like what second place and below really mean? Head and shoulders above the rest? Or the best of an average bunch of game (by volume sold). Then again, I guess one can only really work with available data.