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Talking Point: What Does Microsoft's Massive Xbox One-Eighty Mean for PS4?

Posted by Sammy Barker

Round like a record

We didn’t expect Microsoft to stick with its digital rights management policies after the mauling that it faced from consumers and the media at E3 2013 last week, but even we’re a little stunned by the swiftness and scale of its turnaround. If you’ve been living under a rock, the Redmond-based firm has just revealed that its next generation console will no longer need to be connected to the Internet every 24 hours. Furthermore, the system will allow you to trade and resell games as you do on current generation platforms such as the PlayStation 3. In essence, the Xbox One now boasts the same policies as the PlayStation 4.

There are some caveats to the turnaround. The ‘family share’ functionality that it had previously touted is now totally off the cards. You’ll be able to loan your physical discs to friends, but you won’t be able to access your library anywhere like the platform holder had previously promised. On the plus side, regional restrictions are now off the cards – again, much like Sony already confirmed for the PS4. So, what impact does this have on the Japanese giant and its own impending console?

Microsoft was racing down a highway of public relations hiccups faster than Sony in 2006 with the Xbox One – and it's not surprising that something had to change

Well, let’s be honest, it changes the narrative immensely. There’s absolutely no denying that Sony profited from Microsoft’s fumbling last week. In terms of software, the Redmond-based firm actually put up a fairly strong showing, and we suspect that should it have levelled the playing field seven days ago, the positivity surrounding the PS4 would have been slightly more subdued than it has been over the past few days.

But let’s be realistic: this is the way it should have been. Microsoft was racing down a highway of public relations hiccups faster than Sony in 2006 – and something had to change. The platform holder deserves kudos for reversing direction at the last minute, even if it was adamant just five days ago that it wasn’t going to alter anything at all.

The problem for the PS4 is that this will temporarily swing the pendulum out of its grasp. The platform holder had its big moment last week, and now Microsoft has struck back decisively. All of a sudden it’s the Redmond-based firm that will push its nose back in front, and with no immediate means of response, the PlayStation maker will be forced to simply ride out this wave of renewed anticipation for the Xbox One.

Alas, when the dust settles, there are still a number of meaningful advantages still within Sony’s hands. For starters, the PS4 is still a significantly cheaper option than its competitor’s console, and still boasts those inherent hardware advantages that we’ve heard so much about. It may not have a camera in its box, but those looking for a system this Christmas will still see a system with a similar library and a more affordable figure attached to it. That’s huge.

Furthermore, for as much as Microsoft deserves credit for changing its stance, such a monumental backtrack – particularly after it spent much of E3 2013 vehemently defending its policies – shows a company that’s clearly out of touch and totally lost. That the firm spent upwards of two years devising these systems for them to be thrown out in a matter of days is borderline incomprehensible. An admission of error is good, but it’s clear that the organisation thought that it could get away with this one.

And that’s probably the unspoken sentiment in gaffer Don Mattrick’s clarification post. This is not a direct response to the feedback of its fans like the message is framed; this is a reaction to unsavoury pre-order numbers, best-sellers lists, and damning projections. The company knew that it was on the verge of getting stomped, and it had to do something about it. Making the change shows good business acumen, for sure, but we wouldn’t be typing this article at all if it thought that its original policies would fly.

At the end of the day, though, it sparks a positive move for the industry – and gaming as a whole. Things are back to where they should be, and now we have an honest console war on our hands. A non-fumbling Microsoft not only means good things for Xbox fans, but also for PlayStation fans, too. Whatever your opinion of the brand in green, there’s no denying that its success over the past eight years has forced Sony to step up its game. Now there’s no danger of the Japanese giant getting complacent, because the fight is well and truly back on. It’s going to be a fascinating six months.


Has Microsoft’s change in policies affected your anticipation for the PS4? Are you still planning to pick up Sony’s machine, or are you considering switching to the Xbox One? Let us know in the comments section and poll below.

How have Microsoft's policy changes affected your enthusiasm for PS4? (88 votes)

Not at all, I'm still super excited for Sony's machine

92%

Hmm, I'm not sure, this is happening too fast

  2%

Quite a lot, I'm now considering buying an Xbox One

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User Comments (119)

artemisthemp

#2

artemisthemp said:

Xbox One still is:

  • Forcing Kinect on you.
  • Asking for €100 more than PS4.
  • Rip you off with Xbox Live Gold.
  • Using EXT PSU
  • Not able to replace HDD
get2sammybAdmin

#3

get2sammyb said:

@JavierYHL Realistically, they shouldn't have to do anything. But this does give Microsoft the perceived "advantage" again for the time being. When we head into launch, though, I still think (and always have thought) that the price will be the big advantage.

I personally was expecting this moment. There was no way Microsoft were going to continue to allow this story to develop. They thought that they could get away with it, but E3 proved that they couldn't.

shingi_70

#4

shingi_70 said:

@artemisthemp

-Kinect can be configured on what it can see and share
-Great Point
-PS+ is also required and we still don't eveything about either service.
-whats a EXT PSU
-You can add a External HDD.

JavierYHL

#6

JavierYHL said:

@get2sammyb from how fast they change everything i wouldnt be surprised if they change the price to the same as ps4 when its coming soon to the released date to give sony a big surprise...

ShogunRokAdmin

#8

ShogunRok said:

All I'll say is projections must have looked very bad for Microsoft to have done this.

GameOverRedd

#9

GameOverRedd said:

I think at the end of the day, the bulk of the market are less concerned with all the nitty-gritty and will just want the cheaper console. I have no idea how Sony have managed the price point for PS4 considering the huge hiccup the PS3 had, but it will definitely work in it's favour.

zhadum5000

#10

zhadum5000 said:

I don't think I could trust Microsoft. They have a plan, if their plans aren't enacted now then it will be enacted after they sell a certain number of systems.

Ginkgo

#14

Ginkgo said:

Honestly a backflip like this just makes then look stupid. That being said, it will improve their sales prospects.

Sanquine

#15

Sanquine said:

Sorry for saying this but why is everybody praising them on the internet. I shouldnt be there in the first place ( DRM and online check).

So tell me Respawn about that cloud nonsense.. I have read some articles on Eurogamer and putting AI on the cloud is stupid because you have latency and bandwitch that slows it down....

Gamer83

#16

Gamer83 said:

Two things it means for sure... As long as MS doesn't decide to bring back the 24 hour check in garbage, I'll get an Xbox One sometime (still well after PS4) to play Halo 5. It also means Xbox One will run away with the North American market.

DevilMayDante

#17

DevilMayDante said:

I am sure they will pick up some of the sales they were about to lose, but people like me still have a lot of room to enjoy the current gen. SONY has my favorite video game franchise = MLB the Show, and as long as SONY keeps making other great first party titles, they will continue to get my business.

Gamer83

#19

Gamer83 said:

@zhadum5000

Honestly of the three Nintendo is the most trustworthy. What I'd suggest is go with whatever console you want and if bs policies are enacted later on vote with your wallet by simply not buying stuff for that console anymore.

Jaz007

#20

Jaz007 said:

Yeah, this was probably necessary. No mater what Microsoft does now though, Sony will an PR advantage over them. It may small, but there will be permanent PR effects from the whole ordeal, even if they're tiny.

MS still has some immediate bad PR issues to deal with now though. The irreparable damage of people looking at the PS4 enough to be permanently swayed has been done too.

Gamer83

#21

Gamer83 said:

@Ginkgo

Yeah they looked idiotic either way but at least this better than what was potentially going to be put in place.

irken004

#22

irken004 said:

It's one thing to remove those major components people complained about, but by doing so they shattered any integrity they had with some of their fans in the first place. This is merely a bandage on their wounds, while also scrapping many "breakthroughs" that Microsoft had planned.

Wesker

#24

Wesker said:

What a climbdown! i was always going to stick with Sony but I wonder how this will affect the majority. For years Xbots were all over the web strutting their stuff, I expect them to come back out in full force now, and we'll probably go back to some kind of parity again.

Overall though, this is a huge win for the consumers that kicked up a fuss and they deserve a pat on the back. They'll probably all by Xbones now lol.

Epic

#25

Epic said:

If they said this right at the end of their conference they would've "won" the E3 in a way it might change some people minds.
But I still prefere Sony exclusives.

Gamer83

#26

Gamer83 said:

Aside from some of the stupid policies Xbox One seems like a nice system with a great early line up. Sony has better first party that's why I'm sticking with them but I'd be lying if I said my interest in X1 hasn't shot up now.

get2sammybAdmin

#27

get2sammyb said:

@Wesker I still refuse to believe that consumers engineered this change directly. Projections and pre-order numbers made this happen. Yes, perhaps that's partially fuelled by gamers voting with their wallets, but this change wasn't initiated by message board complaints or Twitter messages.

3Above

#28

3Above said:

I personally yhink these policies will return later down the road. But xbox fans will still buy it and NA will go crazy for it now. Sigh, here we go again. ..

ShogunRokAdmin

#29

ShogunRok said:

@get2sammyb Have to agree. It was great to see so many people against these policies and letting their disapproval go public, but no company - especially Microsoft - will take the word of the internet seriously, especially when it comes to message boards. It's the money that's done the talking.

Wesker

#30

Wesker said:

@get2sammyb

There must have been a knock on effect. The sheer volume of negativity on the internet does trickle down to consumers and influence there purchases. Bad news spreads like wildfire, and nearly everyone likes the used game market so they were quite easily convinced. And that's why they got the poor projections and preorders, so the haters can feel partly responsible IMO.

Paranoimia

#31

Paranoimia said:

Sure, you can praise them for changing, but it's not because of any other reason than they realised they were going to get annihilated. No matter what spin they try to put on it, it's still massively embarrassing for them.

It's also interesting that I'm seeing a lot of people who said they were switching from Xbox to PlayStation still standing by that decision, saying they're still no going back. Of course, whether they do or not remains to be seen.

Personally, I won't be getting one. I've seen nothing exclusive that interests me, I'm not interested in all the TV guff, and I don't see any point wasting money on another console when I've had the first two and barely used either.

get2sammybAdmin

#32

get2sammyb said:

@Wesker Absolutely, but if the narrative was exactly the same and the pre-orders were slightly higher, we would not be having this discussion. I agree that the figures have been impacted by what's happened, but, like I say, I doubt that Microsoft would give two hoots about the bad press/reaction if it wasn't affecting the numbers, which it clearly has been.

rjejr

#33

rjejr said:

For the love of god man, can you stop it w/ the DOA references already, you're killing me. Every time I come here it takes me hours to get that stupid song out of my head. (jk, but you are killing me)

ahem, "If you’ve been living under a rock" - this just just just happened, I was in my basement - mine, not my parents, playing Jak and Daxter in HD that I just purchased. That game is still awesome.

"it wasn’t going to alter anything at all." - MS just came out w/ Windows 8 and that dreadful awful Metro interface and was never going to back. Win 8.1 comes out this fall. The stockholders have spoken.

"It may not have a camera in its box," - Now that MS has all that DRM nonsense out of the way I'm sure they'll be emphasizing this point. I know the camera only adds $59 to the $399 so it's still $40 cheaper but MS can boast stronger integration - like it or not.

And speaking of integration - I wonder how much, if any, the whole NSA big brother snooping stuff (US) had an affect on all the DRM stuff.
Here's a link, can't recall if the Guardian is a respectable paper or a rag like the Sun but the info is covered:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/10/obama-pressured-explain-nsa-surveillance

This news doesn't affect me personally, wasn't buying an X1 maybe ever, but it certainly is newsworthy.

jgrangervikings1

#34

jgrangervikings1 said:

Microsoft is in a no win situation right now. At E3 they announce their policies on used games and always-on connections, and gamers revolt. Mattrick tries to spin the "no-internet needed" issue into a marketing opportunity to sell more 360's, and that fails miserably. Now Microsoft is doing a 180 and getting rid of its policies on used games and always-on internet, but at the expense of gamers accessing their games from the cloud and playing on a friend's machine by logging in on their friend's machine...so, now this nifty benefit has been removed from MS's plans. That stinks. And, now we're thinking Microsoft doesn't know what they're doing, they're flip floppers, and they can't be trusted. Talk about a PR nightmare!

Reverend_Skeeve

#35

Reverend_Skeeve said:

@Sony_70 Yes, MS says you can chose when Kinect will monitor...but afaik, it's still obligatory to connect Kinect to the X1 for the system to even start. Which brings me...

BTT: Kinect is still a deal breaker for me. I don't want to HAVE to pay for it. And foremost, I don't want it to be connected to the console 24/7, especially not after the prism-scandal. With PS4 I can chose motion control, but am not forced to accept a permanent cam on my TV. So: nice try MS, but no.

I'm afraid this raises MS' chance for success quite a lot. Sure, gamers won't forget, but the general public often hasn't even heard of the former DRM, so...

But I agree with Sammy...it's a good thing, because in the end the gamers win and Sony has to keep up its game.

SuperKMxAdmin

#36

SuperKMx said:

@artemisthemp With respect...in response to your points.

  • Forcing Kinect on you - Yes. Now motion-controlled games will be better, as will integration. (For many reasons - mainly because the target audience for motion-controlled games will be much bigger. Like it or not, some people play them.)
  • Asking for €100 more than PS4 - Yes. Do bear in mind that if you want a PS Eye game down the line, expect to pay €30-€50 for the hardware so you can play it.
  • Rip you off with Xbox Live Gold - Sort of. PS4 also requires PlayStation Plus for online play. If you don't play online, then sure (but why would you buy Xbox Live if you don't play online?)
  • Using EXT PSU - Why does this matter? Not being rude. I just don't see what the problem is.
  • Not able to replace HDD - You can add multiple USB drives (from any manufacturer) of practically unlimited size, without needing to buy them from Microsoft.

Y'know. Just saying.

Wesker

#37

Wesker said:

@get2sammyb Yes. We'll never know of course, but what if Sony had have gone down a similar route at E3? Surely together they could have killed the used game market. Maybe MS expected Sony to join them...

But you bring up a good point that even though it would seem like we're back to level pegging, in fact Microsoft are still in a bit of a mess because obviously much of their planning has just been thrown out of the window. Sony should still (rightfully) seem like the safer bet for a lot of people. Plus it's cheaper.

BTW don't you get a PS Eye boxed in with the PS4? In the article you say it comes without a camera.

Reverend_Skeeve

#38

Reverend_Skeeve said:

@Wesker The PS4 comes without the Eye...Sony released the prices for the hardware and controller and handled the Eye as a seperate shipping unit.

Itachi

#40

Itachi said:

I don't think Microsoft can come on top anymore. The price is still the biggest factor and Microsoft already lost a good portion of their fanbase to Sony already. Playstation fans are a loyal bunch and for good reason as demonstrated at E3 so don't expect Sony's fanbase to change. When you factor in the large fanbase Sony has already, plus the fans Microsoft has lost, with the $100 price differential, on top of dominating pre orders with nothing but good press, Sony is still in a very comfortable and demanding position. Besides the price I think what will ultimately defeat Microsoft is Sony's games. Everyone knows by now that Sony is a beast on the game scene and you have to suspect they are holding some secret weapons. How big would it be were they to reveal a God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us level title that clearly shows the graphical power over Xbox One at possibly the Tokyo game Show? Every move Sony has made leading up to now has been all strategy and I'm almost positive they saw this coming. After all it was Sony who put Microsoft in this position to begin with.

Wesker

#41

Wesker said:

@SuperKMx Wow somebody here likes Kinect! "Xbox on!, Xbox TV, Xbox game!" Are you really gonna walk around in your living room talking at your TV? And 100 euros is a big difference irrelevant of camera attachments. It should be the consumers choice if they want to pay for it or not so saying that you'll have to pay an extra 30-50 euro for the PS eye is a good thing, so you can decide yourself, if you want it or not. For most gamers those accessories are hindrances more then anything, unless you really enjoy FIFA knowing when you say a naughty word. And sorry but where are the free games with Xbox live? Go and google all the Plus games that have been made available to it's subscribers, Xbox live has offered nothing that can be considered comparable in value.

get2sammybAdmin

#42

get2sammyb said:

@Wesker He has got a point, though. No one's ever going to make PS Eye games, where the Kinect will get much stronger support. I suppose it depends on your personal tastes as to whether that's a good thing or not.

rjejr

#43

rjejr said:

@SuperKMx - b/c everything's better w/ bullet points :-)

I wasn't going to bother posting that but the comment above me convinced me I should.

Edit: OK, the post before Sammys, but it's ok, it's his site.

SuperKMxAdmin

#44

SuperKMx said:

@Wesker I was partial to Kinect 1.0, until every game released for it was trash. "Are you really gonna walk around in your living room talking at your TV?" - No. But then again, Kinect offers more than that when it comes to GAMES.

The fact is that motion gaming won't move forward in any way while a motion control device doesn't come as standard. There were MANY attempts at motion controllers before the Wii came out - all of them failed. Wii hits the shelves, everyone loves it. Outsells HD machines by 20 million plus units.

That PS Eye is going to get as many games made for it as the current one has, meaning that it'll end up gathering dust. Unless you love Wonderbook. Xbox One developers can choose to support Kinect 2.0 or not, knowing that either way, they're not limiting their sales. With the PS4, supporting the PS Eye is less likely to happen as only a percentage of the user base will own the hardware required to play their game.

(Disclaimer: I own an Xbox 360. I own a PS3 with a PS Eye. I run Nlife's Xbox site. I've preordered an Xbox One. I've also preordered the PS4.) :)

rjejr

#45

rjejr said:

@get2sammyb - Did you create that 180 photo? You should hurry up and patent it and claim the domain. That's awesome. Though I'm simply modifying my consistent use of X1 to X180 'cuase I'm lazy.

Just realized 180 is 1/2 of 360 - duh.

Wesker

#46

Wesker said:

@get2sammyb So where exactly were all these great Kinect games at E3? Because if making great games for it was so easy they must have been showing them all of right? Yeah, they weren't showing jack because it basically had/has 2 purposes - jump on the Wii's bandwagon and offer a Minority Report type experience where people can navigate menus with there hands, which they still haven't got right!

SuperKMxAdmin

#47

SuperKMx said:

@Wesker Same place all the great PS Eye games were, I'd imagine.

Nobody said developing games for it was easy. What's being said is that one of the main barriers to developing for it has been removed.

rjejr

#48

rjejr said:

@SuperKMx - "I run Nlife's Xbox site. I've preordered an Xbox One. I've also preordered the PS4."

Working at NL must pay really well. :-)

OK, I'm going to have dinner now, you guys can continue w/o any further interruptions from me.

Wesker

#49

Wesker said:

@SuperKMx So what console is Occulus Rift getting bundled with? Because they sure do seem to be doing rather well don't they. Funny that, if people really want something they'll get behind it. No amount of bundling makes any difference.

Wesker

#50

Wesker said:

@SuperKMx Which nicely comes back to my original point. Why force it onto people if they don't want it? People wanted Wii Sports because they wanted Wii Sports, it wasn't because they wanted Zelda and Mario and ended up with Wii Sports and thought oh! This is actually quite good!

How you have so much faith in Microsoft I don't know.

Reverend_Skeeve

#51

Reverend_Skeeve said:

@Wesker I agree with @SuperKMx that motion gaming won't really advance if it's a niche product. So for those who enjoy motion gaming, the X1 might be a good system, as presumably almost every game there will have some sort of Kinect funtionality added to the controller input.

I have a 360 with Kincet but found the games underwhelming (some exeptions, though). So I have no interest in motion gaming just now and are happy that the PS4 offers me that choise. Also, I'm so disgusted with MS that I don't want to give them any more money.

But I also agree with you...people will use and buy what they like, not what's forced on them.

Slapshot

#52

Slapshot said:

This is a great move for the industry itself. Sony didn't need to dominate the next generation of the home console sector so easily - the end result of this is gamer's getting 'lesser' games. Competition is what drives our industry forward - not one company dominating the other (excluding Apple, of course).

Microsoft's Xbox has become a trademark of sorts for Western gaming as a whole, which is why it has, and remains to be the dominate console in the States. Seeing Microsoft's policies it wanted to implement with the Xbox One was disheartening. Not only were they anti-consumer, but they risked damaging consumer confidence in digital media in the gaming sector as well.

Personally, I have little faith in Microsoft these days. Windows Vista was a nightmare and Windows 8 is as well. It's corporate strong arm used against small independent developers - $40k USD to patch an XBLA game for Indies! - and it ongoing arrogance simply rubs me the wrong way. I get so tired of hearing Microsoft tell me how it is "innovating" and "revolutionizing" - I'll make that judgement for myself.

I've gotten off of Windows near completely, by swapping to Apple and Google (Chromebook), leaving only one laptop running Windows 7. I've long since rid myself of an Xbox 360, after multiple RRODs. The Xbox 360 is a fantastic console - I will never deny this! - but until the Xbox One finds itself a nice catalog of "must have" games (and a price drop), I will not be investing in anything Microsoft.

My 3DS XL will continue to be my primary gaming console for the foreseeable future.

SuperKMxAdmin

#53

SuperKMx said:

@Wesker Who says I have so much faith in Microsoft? You've just flat-out made an assumption there.

All I've said is that as a gamer, I'm excited to see where motion gaming will go now that there will be a definite installed base of devices. I'm a gamer. I play games. I don't play brands. If Kinect being bundled with the Xbox One makes motion-controlled games better as a whole...count me in.

Then again, they could remove it from the box and drop the price of the console by $100...

mibtar

#54

mibtar said:

I'm sure all is forgiven now in Xbox land. Even with the PS4's 100 dollar advantage, NA will probably still go for Xbox. I'm sure MS will be bragging about TV and kinect as their advantage and people will eat it up.

TasukiStaff

#55

Tasuki said:

This was great news today. Still the big factor for me is the price. I can say that while the Kinect is a nice option I myself dont really enjoy it. Yes I have used the Kinect (which was bundled with my Star Wars Edition 360) and just found it to annoying to use. I am sure that the Kinect with Xbox One will be alot better but for me price is everything and I dont really want to spend $100 more on something that I probably wont use.

Now if they made a Kinect free bundle of the Xbox One for the $400 price than I would be all over it.

Dont get me wrong though at some point I will have an Xbox One sitting next to my Wii U and PS4 this gen just not at the launch.

MaxaMod

#56

MaxaMod said:

they just proved that Sony was the right choice .. and all that Bs about the future, now ppl will know that ms can just update the x1 after a year or two and we r back to where we began

everyone was expecting Sony to follow ms in the drm rubbish and suprisses everyone at e3, and ppl voting with their money so MS had to follow Sony steps which mean Sony is the one leading to next gen

BornOfEvil

#57

BornOfEvil said:

The exclusives are still disappointing, kinect is still mandatory for the system to function, it's still region locked, the HDD is still unupgradeable, Microsoft is still giving indie devs the middle finger, XBL gold is required for practically everything, etc.

In short, I am still not interested in the XBO and I highly doubt I ever will be. Plus they've already shown that their ready and willing to take away our rights as consumers - that's not something I could ever forgive.

TasukiStaff

#58

Tasuki said:

The one good I can see is that all the PS4 preorders that MS fanboys bought are probably now cancelled so they could get the Xbox One. Which would make finding a preorder for the PS4 easier to find.

rjejr

#59

rjejr said:

So how long until MS announces it's doing away w/ discs and games will only be available via digital download? (you know, as opposed to analog download)

Or will EA announce it first for their next gen games?

KALofKRYPTON

#60

KALofKRYPTON said:

This is good news for everybody, and the industry as a whole.
On the point of external hard drives and the X bone, is there any solid information that you'll be able to install games to it?

Ps4all

#61

Ps4all said:

I would rather have Microsoft out of the equation. They have no respect for anything except money.

SuperKMxAdmin

#63

SuperKMx said:

@MaxaMod I know this isn't going to be popular, but Sony can do exactly the same thing. System update, all of a sudden your console has DRM. It was always the case. Hell, they could do it to the PS3 if they wanted, and Microsoft could do it to the Xbox 360 (not that either would ever happen.)

Both companies are in a similar-looking boat now, and it would be foolish to think that Microsoft are the only ones that can make mistakes.

MaxaMod

#65

MaxaMod said:

@SuperKMx i know that sony can just do it at any time, but MS had the attention and now some gamers are ask for the family share pool over the used game

''we listen to u and brought it back" and they are back on track

SuperKMxAdmin

#66

SuperKMx said:

@MaxaMod They won't switch back to DRM just for the family option. They're more likely to introduce a "premium" tier to Xbox Live (over and above the "Gold") that allows you to do it is all.

I've heard from several people that most of the publishers didn't know that you could share the game and have two people playing at the same time. I think that's why they've taken it out, more than anything. ;)

MaxaMod

#68

MaxaMod said:

@SuperKMx ok let back up .. if sony wasn't in the pic 'd MS do this? i think the answer is clear and that's why i wont fall for ms ever again

Gamer83

#69

Gamer83 said:

@Tasuki

Honestly, I don't think pre-orders for either system will be hard to find pretty soon. The last couple times I've gone into Gamestop since I pre-ordered the PS4 the people there have told me both Sony and MS were allowing for more pre-orders to be taken. I'd imagine it's the same at other retailers. It's a matter of which shipment you get on though. I was one of the first people to order a PS4 at the GameStop I frequent so hopefully I'll be on the list to get the system on launch day.

Jaz007

#70

Jaz007 said:

@Gamer83 Oh crud, I didn't even think a pre-order might be available on launch day. I guess it is possible, hope mine is pre-ordered soon enough.

Gamer83

#71

Gamer83 said:

@Jaz007

I'm not actually sure how they decide who's on which shipment but I remember back in 2006 when I pre-ordered the Wii, sort of early, I was on the second shipment but when I pre-ordered a 3DS, a few weeks after most everybody else, I got it day one. For the Wii U when I was working at GameStop it didn't seem like there was really any kind of process but we also didn't get a ton of pre-orders on it.

HeatBombastic

#72

HeatBombastic said:

@ajay708 I dunno about that. If the Kinect booms out again and customers think that it's worth the extra value, Sony might be in some doo-doo.

Squiggle55

#74

Squiggle55 said:

I will never forgive Microsoft for so blatantly trying to ruin gaming's future. This move is a scramble to save their own butts, and it will result in better competition that will probably be very close to a 50/50 split in the end. But MS stands no chance to win any portion of my support anytime in the future because of their blackhearted, game-changing, future-of-gaming-ruining true plans for this generation that they only cancelled because of the terrible press and the fact that many people were smart enough not to stand for it. Good work world.

TasukiStaff

#75

Tasuki said:

@Gamer83: Yeah you are probably right on the pre order amount. I do know however the Gamestop that I preordered my PS4 from at the time the guy their said that the amount of PS4 preorders were about 4 times more than the Xbox One. Its probably safe to say that the numbers are probably going to be more even in the next couple of days.

BornOfEvil

#76

BornOfEvil said:

@HeatBombastic That's a pretty big 'if" though. Even Nintendo has dropped motion-gaming and they're the ones who popularized it.

The Kinect is going to fade ito obscurity, and if it does get some good games then good for them.

Gamer83

#77

Gamer83 said:

@Squiggle55

I don't like it anymore than you but we have to remember each of these companies, Nintendo included, are giant corporations that in the end only care about money. And despite its despicable original plans we have to be fair to MS and realize that Sony very likely had similar plans but when the people there saw the backlash MS was getting they back tracked to try and win a PR battle at E3. More importantly, for the time being, the complaining and, as Sammy mentioned, probably low tracking pre-order numbers for X1, have led MS to back out of its deal with the piece of sh*t company that is EA as well. If nothing else it shows gamers can at least still somewhat dictate what goes on. I'm sure the corporate filth that runs these companies are hard at work on other bullsh*t plans though.

mibtar

#78

mibtar said:

Smart for MS to do a 180 so early. The thing about Xbox's previous issues is that they will be totally forgotten by the time Xbox launches. They'll make it look like they're a company that listens to its consumers, rather almost screwing the consumers. MS gets away! Genius! Evil but genius.

Gamer83

#79

Gamer83 said:

@Tasuki

The pre-order numbers will definitely be move even and going beyond this year MS took back control of the North American market with this move for sure. Honestly, I always figured it would 'win' here even with the stupid policies but it would've been much closer than I think it will be now. I think it's going to be an absolute blood bath, will outsell PS4 and Wii U combined. I hope I'm wrong because I believe the PS4 will be the better console and even competition is always better than a one-sided fight, but NA is Xbot land.

Sanquine

#82

Sanquine said:

@Gamer83 Out of the blue this guy comes here defending the xbox one. Figures ^^

Oke, maybe some of us also most go to there to share our opinion about all of this

Itachi

#84

Itachi said:

@HeatBombastic It's not the hands free aspect of Kinect that bothers people. It's the always on nature of the device. Just so you know, it will still be collecting your data and studying your soul.

DeHorror1975

#86

DeHorror1975 said:

Everyone I talk to says the kinect is just garbage, the only exception being my brother's wife, but I just dont see kinect being something gamers are ever going to love. Sitting or standing and waving your hands in the air for hours just isnt fun. I remember someone in the industry talking about motion control versus a standard control and just how much faster and more precise movements are with your fingers in a game compared to motion controls. I just dont ever seeing motion control becoming standard in any way.

Anyway, I do believe this micro 180 will definitely even things out, but at launch I think there are a good chunk of people that saw microsoft and EA showing their true colors and they will never forgive them for it. I also thing this is going to be a sony generation due to games....I said this way back when they converted to pc architecture.

Sanquine

#87

Sanquine said:

@DeHorror1975 The thing is... No one want to play a game for hours if you have to wave your hands.... Imagine playing the last of us with kinect.If you want to hit someone ( Melee) you have to make a move.... If you do that for a couple of hours you are going to hate that.. No thanks kinect, im going to the gym for my exercise ^^

DeHorror1975

#90

DeHorror1975 said:

@sanguine

I completely agree, its an innovative technology, but once the novelty wears off it just seems gimmicky. I bought a wii waaay back and realized this within a half hour of playing mario. There are so many reasons now I wouldnt buy an xbox and gimping the system specs to accommodate the kinect was a huge mistake IMO, hell, so was the cable idea. Micro essentially has the most innovate and expensive cablebox in the world that happens to play games with gimped specs compared to the ps4. I am willing to bet the difference in gpu and reserved mem in each OS begins to show within a year.

Wesker

#91

Wesker said:

@SuperKMx Just a gamer, who seems to be quite prepared to make the case for Mircosoft and then claim neutrality. Just a gamer that thinks that Microsoft is doing something good for motion-based gaming. Come on bro! You need to check out Oculus Rift and Razer Hyrda. Motion-based gaming needs Microsoft like Nintendo needs more colourful characters. Kinect has done nothing for motion-based gaming, in fact it's done more to stimagtise it then anyone else.

Sanquine

#93

Sanquine said:

@DeHorror1975

I dont know.. the power of the cloud blabla could work. If you render backgrounds and some effects it could work.

Ps4 is 40% stronger... However, MS will let developers sign a contract that the xbone version is almost as good as the ps4 version

get2sammybAdmin

#94

get2sammyb said:

@Sanquine I think that sometimes people give Microsoft a little too much credit. It doesn't have enough clout to make third-parties dumb down their games. If the PS4 really does prove to be a stronger piece of hardware, you'll start to see those (presumably very minor) differences.

Again, this is all stuff that we can't really discuss until the consoles are out, though.

MadchesterManc

#95

MadchesterManc said:

In my view this is worse than launching with DRM. After spending the whole of E3 defending thier policies and talking up TEH CLOUD, they've now done a 180 all of a sudden losing any integrity they had as a company. Dumping the DRM deosnt hide the fact that this is a knee-jerk reaction by a company thats clearly on the ropes, especially with the games shown at E3 not being good enough to gloss over all the bad publicity beforehand. I cant really see many people cancelling pre-orders to switch over. The cries of 'I bet sony are worried now lol' via a text from a friend last night were laughable considering the guy had just spent about 3 weeks trying to convince me of the benefits of M$ DRM system. It was obviously falling on deaf ears :P

Wesker

#96

Wesker said:

@MadchesterManc A quick look at Amazon bestsellers list tells you that the market has reacted: It's now ahead of PS4 after always being behind, but still in second place to The Last Of Us, which perhaps shows that it hasn't been a massive jump.

ViciousDS

#97

ViciousDS said:

@Wesker its launch day console has been ahead of the PS4 for awhile......but there are 8 bundles in that top 20 list with only X1 launch...........it means that even the launch day supply for amazon hasn't ran out yet while PS4 has already been split into 2 categories and PS4 has 8 bundles selling insanely well also.

Sanquine

#98

Sanquine said:

@get2sammyb For me ... I hope Sony destroys Microsoft and get them out of the console bussiness. I bought the xbox. That was a great gaming machine ( in comparison to the playstation 2) ^^( Ps2 is my favorite one). Then the xbox 360 came. I got 3 RRoD in 4 months time. Then after kinect was introduced MS got all casual... The xbox 360 is my most hated console of all time ( the RROD's made their scars) .

The exclusives: Some people say MS has more exclusives for the Xbone one.However, sony has the biggest first party developers team of the big three ^^ So i expect more titles to come. I think Microsoft showed most of their games at E3. I think sony has something up their sleave

KALofKRYPTON

#100

KALofKRYPTON said:

A very good point was made elsewhere, concerning what a setback Microsoft's U turn is in relation to digital media on consoles. As poorly received as it was, it was the first step forward towards something similar to Steam on consoles. Valve's service wasn't always the much loved community focus of PC gaming as it is these days, their pricing structure and rigidity on DRM was similar to what Microsoft announced. But, find me a PC gamer who doesn't use Steam for the majority of purchases, community interactions and taking advantage of an excellent pricing structure.
Obviously MS wouldn't be just like Steam straight out of the gate, certainly where pricing is concerned due to their many retail partnerships and publishers views on console gaming markets. But it was a first step.
Microsoft's ideas were muddled, and they presented them in a very incoherent way-based on a business model that many of us found hard to swallow, but it will happen, eventually.
As crazed as the game sharing feature sounded, IF you were to take a game to a friends house and sign in to your account, that game data could be retrieved, so whatever you've unlocked and any progress made could come with it, and any progress made with your friends can save back your account, and theirs too.
Think how publishers would relish a used game hub, where the license to use a game can be purchased by a second hand owner-guaranteeing the publisher makes money on that sale. Yes, it's in essence charging more for a second hand game, but that point of sale price would drop in the face of the license fee-and while publishers continue to gain revenue from used game sales, the knock on effect would eventually be a cheaper price point for new games, specifically new digital games.

While I'm pleased in a way that the X1 is a more attractive choice to gamers for the U turn, it could've proved to be an invaluable proving ground for a significant advance in digital distribution and console gaming on the whole.

ThreadShadow

#101

ThreadShadow said:

MS still has it's evil empire contract policies. Third-parties not allowed to have more content on rival discs, for example.

ViciousDS

#102

ViciousDS said:

@KALofKRYPTON I use CD key sites to get my games on steam.....$36.99 for a new release as composed to $59.99........if a game is going to last me a long time aka battlefield i will pay full price but games like Remember Me where i was able to beat it in a matter of 6 hours.........yes no thanks.

DeHorror1975

#104

DeHorror1975 said:

Wow, it took less than a day for xbox one to come back out on top on pre orders. I dont get it. The exclusives suck with the exception of 1 or 2 games on xbox.

Aj_Dono

#106

Aj_Dono said:

@get2sammyb I feel there is now gonna be a trust issue for microsoft. Also, with that in mind who's to say they wont switch it back 12+ months after its release. A dodgy company indeed.

DeHorror1975

#108

DeHorror1975 said:

@ViciousDS
I think Sony is still going to be ahead, and the further down the line we go, the more I believe it will pull ahead and I believe this simply because Sony cares about games...micro does too, but they never have any good games, with the exception of gears, which is now just so repetitive.

DeHorror1975

#109

DeHorror1975 said:

@ViciousDS
Respawn has stated that they want Titanfall to reach everyone, implying it would be on the PS4, although that would be in 2015, since it won't be out until 2014 on xbox one eighty.

hydeks

#112

hydeks said:

This doesn't change my mind at all, I still want a Wii U :P PS4 will probably eventually be a secondary console, or Xbox One, both system feel basicly the same :s

ViciousDS

#113

ViciousDS said:

@jgrangervikings Sony doesn't get any money from blu-ray they don't own it......the BDA chooses who gets rights to the blu-ray media.....sony is but a fraction in say power of who gets to use blu-ray.

KALofKRYPTON

#114

KALofKRYPTON said:

TV Integration is what MS has always wanted, dominance of the living room and advertising space on your TV.
They started back in the 90s when they aquired webTV, using their tech on Sega's Dreamcast, which went on to become the xbox (and 360) team.
A connected, all in one entertainment box is what Microsoft wanted to achieve deom the start, now they have.
Sony wanted in on the video game market partnering with Nintendo for the PlayStation until Ninty got gready so Sony went to dominate a couple of console generations. They're well positioned to lead in the here and now, in what could easily be the last dedicated home console generation.

Turkishflavor

#115

Turkishflavor said:

@artemisthemp
1. kinect is awesome!
2. you have to use to pay for online gaming on PS4!
3. you can ADD another hdd via USB 3.0! is has 3 usb 3.0 ports! PS4 only has 2 ports!

Turkishflavor

#116

Turkishflavor said:

@DeHorror1975 exclusiveles suck? are you fucking serious? XBOX ONE has MUCH MUCH better games announced than PS4! Games like TITANFALL, PROJECT SPARK, DEAD RISING 3, SUNSET OVERDRIVE, QUANTUM BREAK, FORZA 5, Killer Instinct, Below, Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare and HALO. What about PS4? There is NOTHING really good announced for ps4!

Reverend_Skeeve

#117

Reverend_Skeeve said:

@Turkishflavor

Kinect may function very well, yes, but motion gaming is not to everyones taste, so I can understand why there's many people who don't wanna be forced to buy it. Also, the fact that Kinect HAD to be connected to the X1 for the system to start at all is a no-go for me. I want the choise.

And the exclusives...well, that's up to personal taste, I'd say. I won't buy an X1, but I'll miss Halo and Gears...also, Quantum Break, Forza 5 and some other games on the X1 looked nice/interesting...but I'm also very looking forward to inFamous and Killzone. So: personal taste again.

I think both systems have great games...but MS just blew it for me with their policy and greed, so I'll go with Sony this time.

DeHorror1975

#118

DeHorror1975 said:

@Turkishflavor
Wow, with the exception of titanfall (not an exclusive) and halo, maybe forza (I dont play racing games) the list you posted for exclusives is god awful! On the other hand playstation has, the last of us, uncharted, killzone, infamous, god of war, beyond two souls, heavy rain, knack, drive club, the order, gran turismo 5, resistance, little big planet, possible a new ip from naughty dog, but probably uncharted 4,possibly deep down, which looks amazing on ps4, there are also 30 games in development from SCE worlwide studios, 20 out in first year of PS4, 12 of which are new exclusives...these will be announced in august at gamescon in Europe.

Also Turkishflavor, titanfall will most likely be coming to ps4 and that ryse looks good, but it also looks heavily scripted and that is just boring. The only thing that caught my eye on xbox is titanfall, possibly the new black tusk ip, but there is no way I am paying 500 bucks for that kinect garbage in addition to the xbox being overpriced and underpowered compared to the ps4. Xbox one will be the next dreamcast imo, thats if micro doesnt just pay off all the third party studios for timed dlc like they always do. Sony makes friends, Micro buys friends...'nuff said!

I look at all exclusives that will have sequels on the ps4 carried over from the ps3, sorry, I know for that on xbox all you can cite is gears, the rest of the xbox exclusives are garbage.

DeHorror1975

#119

DeHorror1975 said:

@Sanquine
Sony has already commented on this and says cloud computing is also possible with gaikai, he says that people just dont want it, but if it ever became viable, they could start using gaikai for cloud computing.

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