honestly i always thought this was the case , that they would release some games on pc , and then eventually say hey well you liked these games , but the next batch of games , you'll need to buy a ps5 to play them.
@Bez87 people keep saying this but when they say "remake the back cat" they never mention any games , i'm guessing people would mention infamous , killzone or reistance , but it has to make sense in the first place to work on these games , when most of them weren't exactly big sellers on the ps3. i'm sorry but reading your whole post is just a lot of assuming with very little to no facts , i just don't think bluepoint is as good as to what you've built up in your head about them. and clearly sony saw the progress or lack of in the studio.
we finally get answers that go on to more questions though , why would from software block it? i'm guessing they didn't give the okay on the demon souls remake , but since sony owned it they did it anyways , and from software's back lash is to deny a bloodborne remake? also it sounds like they were at a stand still the studio wasn't big enough to fully complete its own original game , and it would have cost too much to vs disbanding the studio and spreading the staff out to other sony first party studios , a side story game in the ghost universe would have been cool though. hopefully at the end of the day things work out and having bp talent in the other studios will help those studios with their current projects. or even rebrand some bluepoint staff with ready at dawn staff and make a new studio.
@get2sammyb thanks! this is a must buy , maybe its a pipe dream , but some one needs to make simpsons game collection to happen both hit and run along with the arcade game.
@IOI i feel like you need to re-read what i wrote i didn't say they replaced them , but imo , sony sees them as a replacement as a port dev. also you must have missed the part where they have said several times they plan on keeping a lot of the staff from them. you are letting your personal feelings cloud your judgement on this one , a lot of ppl liked bluepoint , but lets be honest a major studio? all they did was remakes , they never created a single original game ever. i was honestly more upset when ready at dawn was closed after meta bought them and did nothing with them personally.
@IOI except those are their studios that pretty much hold sony studios together, its obvious they re-evaluated bluepoint , and to make it successful they had to put more money and expand the studio , which in their eyes didn't much sense with all the concerns were the industry is going with increasing prices. if they retain a bunch of the talent from the studio and use them in their other studios i think it will be a better idea long term. at this point nixxes replaced them in terms of remaster/ remakes / pc ports , maybe they'll essentially be combining bluepoint and them.
at one point they did send out a survey to playstation users asking if they were interested in seeing a remote play feature released on the switch , that was years ago though.
@jFug the problem is when people say a gold mine of ip's , they'll bring up resistance ( didn't sell on ps3 ) , killzone (didn't sell their ps4 didn't sell either) , infamous ( another low seller even though the ps4 game did decent? maybe?). i'd say the ps5 era is the most difficult not only did they have a pandemic which caused a large stock shortage , but now we are coming up on another major shortage due to difficulty in getting parts , luckily sony stock piled ram , or we'd be facing shortages bad now, at least we have a few years to worry about that. being able to throw money at these games they need to make money or they aren't going to be made , and studios need to get re-evaluated in how they operate.
i'll say this forbiden west , and zero dawn on the ps5 pro look amazing, and to me to crank out a game that looks like that on something like the the ps5 pro , is crazy , when you would need to buy a pc at least easily over 2,000 - 3,000 dollars to produce the same.
@GamingGod i doubt they would buy the ip , but hear me out konami did have a big part in the last state of play , and konami does have a bunch more to announce. i don't think its going to happen , but im not going to say its impossible either.
@somnambulance i'll take that perfect world statement and take it like 100 times beyond that knowing this is 99.99% not the case , but what if sony did the impossible and were able to talk konami into letting them make a metal gear solid game ( which they are out sourcing most of their games as it is ) , and Physint is actually a metal gear solid game.
@AhmadSumadi give it a few weeks ppl will forget , not to mention Nixxes pretty much filled in for what bluepoint did and worked on the ps5 versions of last of us 1+2 , and horizon zero dawn , which all 3 look amazing on the ps5 pro. not to mention sony has already said they are looking at the staff from bluepoint and plan on keeping a lot of them to work at their other studios. so realistically this could end up better.
honestly once they she sees the sales numbers for fable , halo , and forza 6 on the ps5 , i doubt she'll want to take that away , realistically i can see them going back on well there is a 3 month or a little bit longer delay instead of day 1 releases , or early releases on game pass. or the ultimate pipe dream that will never happen since both run amd the ultimate hybrid console that will never happen would be a playstation 6 that can run every game that the series x can run including 360 bc games that is supported on series x ( yes i know this will never happen).
@lazymike lets be realistic xbox was never actual competition to playstation, it was just there. there have been at least 620 million playstations sold vs around 195 million xbox's.
@amatmulisha i think you don't understand what freedom of speech actually is , and that it has nothing to do with posting on message boards online , you have to agree to the terms of service to even post in the first place , and when you break them your comment gets deleted.
prob one of my favorite series in video games tbh , i still have a bunch i gotta finish up , hopefully we will see resynced soon , hopefully the full reveal for hexe with an offical name, and what else would be next ? i wouldn't mind seeing a return to ac1.
@hoffa007 i'm sure bungie is safe for now , but who are they going to sell bluepoint to? thats not how it works lol. they aren't the first studio to be closed they aren't the last either , no one likes it but its the reality in the video game industry.
@Chupa_loyzer honestly its fake out rage , like what normally happens on the internet , people won't even talk about it a few weeks from now. all sony has to do is show off firesprites game , and coreys game , and people will be happy.
@wilky2988 honestly i doubt that. and thats coming from some one that enjoyed their games but i can't imagine they made much money off of the remakes they did. and it sounds like sony realized this after they bought them , and they were still working with them to try to build a new game.
@D6rkLordS6t6n this is the real world , and when you put an opinion out there online people can respond to it, i thought you could maturely handle a conversation but its pretty evident that you can't.
@D6rkLordS6t6n i mean its pretty clear you are letting your personal feelings cloud your judgement on this one, the tech industry has a high turn over rate , studios get closed down , people get laid off , they are going to be last studio to cut back and shut down. i like bluepoint as much as you , i wish they got another shot , but its clear sony evaluated the studio and it made more sense to close it then to dump money in it.
@D6rkLordS6t6n the irony is they are actually looking out for their employees now more then ever , the reason why they were able to crank out games like crazy was because they forced their workers into forced over time , working 60-80 hour days , now they no longer do that but obviously games are going to take longer to make. i think you miss the point though , as you just focus on the " wealthy businessmen" but a video game has to make money for the studio shuts down and people are out of a job.
@D6rkLordS6t6n of course they want profits , its their job. thing about the thousands of people that get paid from a game being successful and they depend on the game being successful to make money and pay their bills like every one else.
@tselliot like who microsoft? microsoft has shut down more studios then sony including canceling perfect dark reboot and laid off thousands of people. you shouldn't take these things personal , studios shut down , there is a lot of turn over in the tech industry.
@KundaliniRising333 guerilla games seem to be sonys best studio tbh with how much horizon series sells, san monica had god of war a few years ago , now they are working on a remake of the trilogy and they still have corey's project to reveal. keeping in mind we lost 2-3 years in game development , i'd say gt7 is their most successful live service game if anything.
@lazymike as much as i would have loved to see that , i don't think sony is going to put millions of dollars into an ip that didn't really sell that well.
@Northern_munkey honestly i think it sucks i liked them , but im sure there is way more we don't know about in why they closed down. somtimes it just doesn't work out, but honestly i think in a few weeks people will forget about it. hopefully a good amount of them get picked up by other sony studios.
@8bit4Life as some one who enjoys bluepoint as much as every one else please explain how they would be more valuable then bungie? i could see marathon do decently if they listen and up date the game enough.
i'm gonna be that guy that brings reality into this , but with how expensive games are to develop if more people bought games instead of waited for sales , or just supported them in general then bluepoint wouldn't have shut down. i like bluepoint as much as every one else , but its not the end of the world.
@UltimateOtaku91 to put this in perspective the ps5 has over 90 million consoles shipped and sold , but there was only about 2 million copies of demon soul remake sold from bluepoint.
@RatmCky but i mean if you had to pick between the ps5 version and the ps3 version and you have a modern tv , why would you just now buy the digital version in 2026? i can't imagine there would be a lot of people looking for the digital version of a ps3 game though , just my opinion.
i'm going to be honest i don't think the ps6 was ever going to come out next year. maybe 2027 was the announcement year , but i still think it will be 2028 or 2029 that the actual console would be released , maybe it still does.
theres a lot of comments so i can't read all of them, but i'm sure there is way more to the story then we'll actually know. it sounds like they'll spread out the rest of the people from the studio they are keeping , either that or they'll rebrand it into a new studio. if it was me i'd resturcure whats left either into sony bend , or san monica ( to do the god of war remakes).
that being said i hope they have the disc add on like the ps5 pro , its much easier to get a disc drive replacement you can install your self vs sending the whole console out to get a used console back.
@oc1d this generation was plauged with many issues including the pandemic , and developers have cracked down on time crunching forcing over time on teams to crank out games much faster.
@RatmCky i also easily found the game on amazon to buy , i'm sure a lot of used game stores sell it as well. how many people are going to go out and play the ps3 version when there will be a ps5 version that will look and play much better on modern tv's.
@TrollOfWar i mean its going to be interesting , not sure if im interested in something like that or not , i'll just stick with the ps5 and series x for now , but i'll probably check it out.
@CP2 nd brought on extra teams for the online game , they've said it a few times but it didn't take resources or time from other games , the reason why they released so many games between ps3/ps4 is because they forced people to work forced over time 60-80 hours a week which they backed off of which means its going to take much longer to release games.
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Re: Sony Quietly Decided to Scale Back PC Ports Last Year, Insider Claims
honestly i always thought this was the case , that they would release some games on pc , and then eventually say hey well you liked these games , but the next batch of games , you'll need to buy a ps5 to play them.
Re: Shuttered Dev Bluepoint Wanted to Remake Bloodborne, FromSoftware Blocked It
@Bez87 people keep saying this but when they say "remake the back cat" they never mention any games , i'm guessing people would mention infamous , killzone or reistance , but it has to make sense in the first place to work on these games , when most of them weren't exactly big sellers on the ps3. i'm sorry but reading your whole post is just a lot of assuming with very little to no facts , i just don't think bluepoint is as good as to what you've built up in your head about them. and clearly sony saw the progress or lack of in the studio.
Re: Shuttered Dev Bluepoint Wanted to Remake Bloodborne, FromSoftware Blocked It
we finally get answers that go on to more questions though , why would from software block it? i'm guessing they didn't give the okay on the demon souls remake , but since sony owned it they did it anyways , and from software's back lash is to deny a bloodborne remake? also it sounds like they were at a stand still the studio wasn't big enough to fully complete its own original game , and it would have cost too much to vs disbanding the studio and spreading the staff out to other sony first party studios , a side story game in the ghost universe would have been cool though. hopefully at the end of the day things work out and having bp talent in the other studios will help those studios with their current projects. or even rebrand some bluepoint staff with ready at dawn staff and make a new studio.
Re: Konami's Iconic X-Men Arcade Game Coming to PS5 Alongside Other Marvel Classics
@get2sammyb thanks! this is a must buy , maybe its a pipe dream , but some one needs to make simpsons game collection to happen both hit and run along with the arcade game.
Re: Wolverine PS5 Release Date Reveal Sparks Bluepoint Cover-Up Claims
@IOI i feel like you need to re-read what i wrote i didn't say they replaced them , but imo , sony sees them as a replacement as a port dev. also you must have missed the part where they have said several times they plan on keeping a lot of the staff from them. you are letting your personal feelings cloud your judgement on this one , a lot of ppl liked bluepoint , but lets be honest a major studio? all they did was remakes , they never created a single original game ever. i was honestly more upset when ready at dawn was closed after meta bought them and did nothing with them personally.
Re: PlayStation Visited Kojima Productions Lately, But What For?
@Porco im pretty sure its a ps5 exclusive though w/ pc release , but from what i've seen sony is funding it like they did with death stranding stuff.
Re: Wolverine PS5 Release Date Reveal Sparks Bluepoint Cover-Up Claims
@IOI except those are their studios that pretty much hold sony studios together, its obvious they re-evaluated bluepoint , and to make it successful they had to put more money and expand the studio , which in their eyes didn't much sense with all the concerns were the industry is going with increasing prices. if they retain a bunch of the talent from the studio and use them in their other studios i think it will be a better idea long term. at this point nixxes replaced them in terms of remaster/ remakes / pc ports , maybe they'll essentially be combining bluepoint and them.
Re: For Some Reason, Sony Apparently Got Gran Turismo 7 Running on Switch 2
at one point they did send out a survey to playstation users asking if they were interested in seeing a remote play feature released on the switch , that was years ago though.
Re: Wolverine PS5 Release Date Reveal Sparks Bluepoint Cover-Up Claims
@jFug the problem is when people say a gold mine of ip's , they'll bring up resistance ( didn't sell on ps3 ) , killzone (didn't sell their ps4 didn't sell either) , infamous ( another low seller even though the ps4 game did decent? maybe?). i'd say the ps5 era is the most difficult not only did they have a pandemic which caused a large stock shortage , but now we are coming up on another major shortage due to difficulty in getting parts , luckily sony stock piled ram , or we'd be facing shortages bad now, at least we have a few years to worry about that. being able to throw money at these games they need to make money or they aren't going to be made , and studios need to get re-evaluated in how they operate.
Re: Guerrilla Games Came Up with Its Own Upscaling Tech for Decima Engine, and It Rivals PSSR
@Andy22385 it looks amazing , that alone was worth upgrading my tv for the ps5 pro for , not only does it look so good but it plays so smooth too.
Re: Guerrilla Games Came Up with Its Own Upscaling Tech for Decima Engine, and It Rivals PSSR
i'll say this forbiden west , and zero dawn on the ps5 pro look amazing, and to me to crank out a game that looks like that on something like the the ps5 pro , is crazy , when you would need to buy a pc at least easily over 2,000 - 3,000 dollars to produce the same.
Re: PlayStation Visited Kojima Productions Lately, But What For?
@GamingGod i doubt they would buy the ip , but hear me out konami did have a big part in the last state of play , and konami does have a bunch more to announce. i don't think its going to happen , but im not going to say its impossible either.
Re: Konami's Iconic X-Men Arcade Game Coming to PS5 Alongside Other Marvel Classics
@get2sammyb is this only on disc or can you get it from the playstation store as well ? the xmen arcade game was so good though.
Re: PlayStation Visited Kojima Productions Lately, But What For?
@somnambulance i'll take that perfect world statement and take it like 100 times beyond that knowing this is 99.99% not the case , but what if sony did the impossible and were able to talk konami into letting them make a metal gear solid game ( which they are out sourcing most of their games as it is ) , and Physint is actually a metal gear solid game.
Re: PlayStation Visited Kojima Productions Lately, But What For?
@AhmadSumadi give it a few weeks ppl will forget , not to mention Nixxes pretty much filled in for what bluepoint did and worked on the ps5 versions of last of us 1+2 , and horizon zero dawn , which all 3 look amazing on the ps5 pro. not to mention sony has already said they are looking at the staff from bluepoint and plan on keeping a lot of them to work at their other studios. so realistically this could end up better.
Re: 'The Plan's the Plan Until It's Not the Plan': Xbox All Over the Place on Future PS5 Ports
honestly once they she sees the sales numbers for fable , halo , and forza 6 on the ps5 , i doubt she'll want to take that away , realistically i can see them going back on well there is a 3 month or a little bit longer delay instead of day 1 releases , or early releases on game pass. or the ultimate pipe dream that will never happen since both run amd the ultimate hybrid console that will never happen would be a playstation 6 that can run every game that the series x can run including 360 bc games that is supported on series x ( yes i know this will never happen).
Re: 'The Plan's the Plan Until It's Not the Plan': Xbox All Over the Place on Future PS5 Ports
@lazymike lets be realistic xbox was never actual competition to playstation, it was just there. there have been at least 620 million playstations sold vs around 195 million xbox's.
Re: Here's How Beefy a PC You'll Need for Death Stranding 2
@Markatron84 honestly it has a better story , and more game play then the first one.
Re: 'I'm Confident in the Direction We're Headed': Under-Fire PlayStation Boss Tries to Explain Baffling Bluepoint Closure
@EfYI he has no successes other then the ps5 being the most profitable console in sony's history.
Re: 'I'm Confident in the Direction We're Headed': Under-Fire PlayStation Boss Tries to Explain Baffling Bluepoint Closure
@amatmulisha i think you don't understand what freedom of speech actually is , and that it has nothing to do with posting on message boards online , you have to agree to the terms of service to even post in the first place , and when you break them your comment gets deleted.
Re: 'I'm Confident in the Direction We're Headed': Under-Fire PlayStation Boss Tries to Explain Baffling Bluepoint Closure
@Gbarsotini you have to be trolling with that one , you want them to shut down an actual successful studio , for one that does remakes?
Re: Origins, Black Flag Creative Director Made Head of Assassin's Creed Franchise
prob one of my favorite series in video games tbh , i still have a bunch i gotta finish up , hopefully we will see resynced soon , hopefully the full reveal for hexe with an offical name, and what else would be next ? i wouldn't mind seeing a return to ac1.
Re: Sony Goes Silent on Social Media for Over 72 Hours as Fans Turn Feral Following Bluepoint Closure
@hoffa007 i'm sure bungie is safe for now , but who are they going to sell bluepoint to? thats not how it works lol. they aren't the first studio to be closed they aren't the last either , no one likes it but its the reality in the video game industry.
Re: Sony Goes Silent on Social Media for Over 72 Hours as Fans Turn Feral Following Bluepoint Closure
@Chupa_loyzer honestly its fake out rage , like what normally happens on the internet , people won't even talk about it a few weeks from now. all sony has to do is show off firesprites game , and coreys game , and people will be happy.
Re: Sony Goes Silent on Social Media for Over 72 Hours as Fans Turn Feral Following Bluepoint Closure
@wilky2988 honestly i doubt that. and thats coming from some one that enjoyed their games but i can't imagine they made much money off of the remakes they did. and it sounds like sony realized this after they bought them , and they were still working with them to try to build a new game.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
@D6rkLordS6t6n this is the real world , and when you put an opinion out there online people can respond to it, i thought you could maturely handle a conversation but its pretty evident that you can't.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
@D6rkLordS6t6n i mean its pretty clear you are letting your personal feelings cloud your judgement on this one, the tech industry has a high turn over rate , studios get closed down , people get laid off , they are going to be last studio to cut back and shut down. i like bluepoint as much as you , i wish they got another shot , but its clear sony evaluated the studio and it made more sense to close it then to dump money in it.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
@D6rkLordS6t6n the irony is they are actually looking out for their employees now more then ever , the reason why they were able to crank out games like crazy was because they forced their workers into forced over time , working 60-80 hour days , now they no longer do that but obviously games are going to take longer to make. i think you miss the point though , as you just focus on the " wealthy businessmen" but a video game has to make money for the studio shuts down and people are out of a job.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
@D6rkLordS6t6n of course they want profits , its their job. thing about the thousands of people that get paid from a game being successful and they depend on the game being successful to make money and pay their bills like every one else.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
@tselliot like who microsoft? microsoft has shut down more studios then sony including canceling perfect dark reboot and laid off thousands of people. you shouldn't take these things personal , studios shut down , there is a lot of turn over in the tech industry.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
@KundaliniRising333 guerilla games seem to be sonys best studio tbh with how much horizon series sells, san monica had god of war a few years ago , now they are working on a remake of the trilogy and they still have corey's project to reveal. keeping in mind we lost 2-3 years in game development , i'd say gt7 is their most successful live service game if anything.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
@lazymike as much as i would have loved to see that , i don't think sony is going to put millions of dollars into an ip that didn't really sell that well.
Re: Incoming Xbox Boss Promises a 'Renewed Commitment to Console', and 'Hears' Fans on Skipping PS5
@Northern_munkey honestly i think it sucks i liked them , but im sure there is way more we don't know about in why they closed down. somtimes it just doesn't work out, but honestly i think in a few weeks people will forget about it. hopefully a good amount of them get picked up by other sony studios.
Re: Sony Goes Silent on Social Media as Fans Turn Feral Following Bluepoint Closure
@8bit4Life as some one who enjoys bluepoint as much as every one else please explain how they would be more valuable then bungie? i could see marathon do decently if they listen and up date the game enough.
Re: Phil Spencer Stepping Down, Sarah Bond Leaving Microsoft in Huge Xbox Shake-Up
@Dan12836666 i doubt they'll stop , i mean its like a money glitch since the games sell so well on the ps5.
Re: Sony Goes Silent on Social Media as Fans Turn Feral Following Bluepoint Closure
i'm gonna be that guy that brings reality into this , but with how expensive games are to develop if more people bought games instead of waited for sales , or just supported them in general then bluepoint wouldn't have shut down. i like bluepoint as much as every one else , but its not the end of the world.
Re: Phil Spencer Stepping Down, Sarah Bond Leaving Microsoft in Huge Xbox Shake-Up
@UltimateOtaku91 to put this in perspective the ps5 has over 90 million consoles shipped and sold , but there was only about 2 million copies of demon soul remake sold from bluepoint.
Re: God of War Dev's Next Big PS5 Exclusive Plotted for 2027 Release
@CP2 i don't think you even read what i wrote tbh.
Re: Konami Cruelly Delists Several Metal Gear Solid Games on PS3, PSP without Notice
@RatmCky but i mean if you had to pick between the ps5 version and the ps3 version and you have a modern tv , why would you just now buy the digital version in 2026? i can't imagine there would be a lot of people looking for the digital version of a ps3 game though , just my opinion.
Re: Memory Crisis Threatening to Delay PS6 Could Last 'Another 10 Years'
i'm going to be honest i don't think the ps6 was ever going to come out next year. maybe 2027 was the announcement year , but i still think it will be 2028 or 2029 that the actual console would be released , maybe it still does.
Re: Sony Makes Shocking Decision to Shut Down Bluepoint Games
theres a lot of comments so i can't read all of them, but i'm sure there is way more to the story then we'll actually know. it sounds like they'll spread out the rest of the people from the studio they are keeping , either that or they'll rebrand it into a new studio. if it was me i'd resturcure whats left either into sony bend , or san monica ( to do the god of war remakes).
Re: Here's Why Shawn Layden Thinks Sony 'Can't Get Away' with Making PS6 Digital Only
@Rhaoulos ya that would never happen , unless 3rd party shops sold console games, strait up pc games wouldn't even work.
Re: Here's Why Shawn Layden Thinks Sony 'Can't Get Away' with Making PS6 Digital Only
that being said i hope they have the disc add on like the ps5 pro , its much easier to get a disc drive replacement you can install your self vs sending the whole console out to get a used console back.
Re: Opinion: The Euphoric Reaction to PS6's Rumoured Delay Really Confuses Me
@oc1d this generation was plauged with many issues including the pandemic , and developers have cracked down on time crunching forcing over time on teams to crank out games much faster.
Re: Konami Cruelly Delists Several Metal Gear Solid Games on PS3, PSP without Notice
@RatmCky i also easily found the game on amazon to buy , i'm sure a lot of used game stores sell it as well. how many people are going to go out and play the ps3 version when there will be a ps5 version that will look and play much better on modern tv's.
Re: 'Not Likely': Spider-Man 2 Dev Crushes Xbox Port Dreams
@TrollOfWar i mean its going to be interesting , not sure if im interested in something like that or not , i'll just stick with the ps5 and series x for now , but i'll probably check it out.
Re: Opinion: The Euphoric Reaction to PS6's Rumoured Delay Really Confuses Me
@Stonecold730 you are just trying to trick us so you can get a ps6 at launch.
Re: God of War Dev's Next Big PS5 Exclusive Plotted for 2027 Release
@CP2 nd brought on extra teams for the online game , they've said it a few times but it didn't take resources or time from other games , the reason why they released so many games between ps3/ps4 is because they forced people to work forced over time 60-80 hours a week which they backed off of which means its going to take much longer to release games.
Re: God of War Dev's Next Big PS5 Exclusive Plotted for 2027 Release
hopefully we can see what they've been putting all that work into for years already.
Re: Konami Cruelly Delists Several Metal Gear Solid Games on PS3, PSP without Notice
@RatmCky i mean if you own the digital copy already you can still play it , you can even redownload it , you just can't buy it.