Spoilers for Major Upcoming Games Made Public in Achievements Leak

I smell a fishy rat about these supposed "leaks"

Massive shame whenever something like this happens. If memory serves me correct, this was also how Doctor Octopus was found out to be in Marvel's Spider-Man.

HOPEFULLY, this does mean that Persona 6 is a late 2027 game, and doesn't cross over to the dreaded year of 2028.

@themightyant We don't even have a release date for Kingdom Hearts 5 yet, let alone 6.

@ShadowRJ KH5 will come out at the same time Winds of Winter does, source? Trust me bro

@Oram77 As I said in the article, these leaks come from an extremely reliable source that doesn't make things up. They pull data from the backend of PSN and have been accurate for years.

Xbox Store used to be notorious for accidentally leaking release dates and listings. But this is on another level lol.

Someone/some people at either Exophase or Steam are getting shouted at profusely today 😂

@themightyant I would guess things like achievements/trophies are set a little earlier in the development phase than we think like for example once the story and general gameplay structure is set in stone.

It's a shame for anyone waiting for any of these games. Dodging spoilers over the coming months or years is going to be awful.

I think most devs will use placeholders during development from now on. I wouldn't be surprised if some studios start adding-in the final names in a day-one patch or something like that.

Judas hasn't had it's achievements leaked, it only shows one generic sample achievement, which might not be part of the full release. The Kena list is also all placeholder names that give nothing away about the achievements.

I understand you might not have wanted to click it but if you're gonna name drop the games and say they have had their achievements leaked maybe you could have at least glanced to double check?

@themightyant kh4 is confirmed for next year

Surely this is nonsense, do devs really prepare the achievements this early in game development.
I thought Persona 6 would be 2028 at the earliest!

@ShadowRJ SEGA already confirmed that the PS5 version of Persona 6 is the only version that will have a physical release, so it will come out next year.

@Vyse_the_Legend They did, but to the best of my knowledge, that was before the Sony July announcement.

Ahhh poor Square Enix, specifically Tetsuya Nomura… part of the KH hype thrives off world reveals…

Oh thank Christ, I won't have to reach the Final Level of Awesomeness again to platinum Rayman Legends: Retold.
That was a grind and a half in the original Legends.

As I always say, only a tiny percentage of people unlock games at midnight and play them non stop such that they compete them before all the gaming sites have published guides and wikis and word is all over forums and YouTube videos.

For 95% of gamers, spoilers are out there before they get home from work on launch day. You either develop behaviours to avoid seeing them, or you don’t.

Whether spoilers are released a month before launch, or on launch day as per normal, really makes no difference to me and most gamers.

@Futureshark it’s real and P6 is actually rumored to release late next year

@ShadowRJ We only found out about it last month and I believe SEGA would know about the ceasing of physical media months before us.

@themightyant The games are basically done content wise, it's all polish for now until going gold. And localisation, so they can do the simultaneous launch.

The P6 leak really isn't that bad. I took a look and without context, it's hard to know what the trophies mean (I have only finished P3 and P5.)

The list looks very similar to P3 Reload and P5 Royal, wherein, finish game, date someone, do some (if not all confidants) and do specific in game actions.

I’m happy to see Kena included, that game has been MIA of late for a game supposedly releasing this year.

I mean I honestly doubt it is at this point, probably Feb-March, but close enough.

@ShadowRJ I'll ask you because you know your Persona. I've only played Five, and 'played' is selling the game short. It was an experience not just a game, it felt like I'd really lived through the game not just observed and pushed some buttons. It was my first game of it's type and made a huge impression. Do you know if Six takes place right after Five and has the same characters/theme or do they change it up with each game?

I'd like too experience something like Five again with all of it's human elements/dungeon system/etc, but obviously without spoiling the game. I know there are other Persona games too but again they might play very differently. I tried Disgaea 5 and absolutely loved it, I asked and was told to stick with Five and not go backwards, would you say that counts for Persona too?

@GirlVersusGame Persona 3, 4 and 5 take place in the same world but you can play each one independently without missing out on anything. There are references like a poster for a character from 4s new album in the subway in 5 but nothing that would ruin anything. I would be very very surprised if 6 changed this.

The one exception is in 4 where you go on a school trip that happens to be the location where 3 takes place. This still isn’t a major deal just has some cameos, 4 was my first Persona game back in 2012 and it did not affect my love of the game (in my top 5) at all. But if you were really sensitive to these things then play 3 first then 4, which is good news since there’s already a remake of 3 and you have 6 months until the 4 remake is out.

@GirlVersusGame The basics have already been explained with by @Glassneedles. They all take place in the same world, but they have very little connection.

The exception to this would be Persona 1 and the Persona 2 duology. Persona 2 Eternal Punishment actually features a lot of characters from Persona 1, including its human main antagonist. However true connections between 3, 4 and 5 have been limited mostly to the spinoffs.

I will say that in terms of the games being playable from a modern standpoint, 3 Remake is still an excellent game. The only questionmark you may have is that it takes an extremely long time for the story to get interesting. It's kind of the reverse of 5 for me. 5's story is at its most interesting at the start, 3's is at its most interesting at its ending.

You shouldn't have any issues with Persona 4. It's a legendary game for a reason. A terrific plot all the way through, amazing gameplay, and an English dub that had a quality that very few anime games had at the time.

@Glassneedles Thank you, if there were references in Five to previous games then I definitely missed them. That's the risk that comes with playing any game that's already a couple of jumps ahead in the franchise. I was recommended the Royal version which for me meant physical. I'm not big into steel-books, when I saw and felt that one, just wow. And that wow was even before putting the disc in the machine. I instantly understood why people like JRPGs, even talking about it makes me want to play again. I don't know if there is such thing as the perfect game, it's all subjective. That to me was perfect, I made a note of what you said, I'm going to look into the others.

@ShadowRJ Thank you for the added input, it's a series I see mentioned a lot. I saw it was included with the original PS5 collection, was ready to try it and 'nope you need to go with the Royal edition'. That free collection introduced me to so many games, my first Monster Hunter (world) my first Final Fantasy, so many others.

You can see it for yourself. All of those were free with the PS5 at launch. If they do the same thing with the PS6 they'll earn some good faith from their customers, but I'm not holding my breath.

@GirlVersusGame I still can't believe Persona has gotten to a point where it stands alongside these other triple AAA games in that screenshot.

My first Persona game was Persona 4 on PS2. A game that barely anyone at the time was talking about, but got good review scores, and I'd only then finally gotten into JRPGs.

To see Persona (and Danganronpa for that manner) get as big as they have done, to the point that most enthusiast gamers know what they are is something I never expected back when I inserted that disc into my PS2.

As others have pointed out, I’m shocked developers publish this information so early. You can pretty easily assume KH4 is targeting a release for next fall, so over a year out. It makes sense they’d have a preliminary trophy list, but isn’t this something you’d want feedback on during QC? The fact it’s sent out to the stores seems to imply it’s more or less final (though we know you can even make some changes after release).

Took a quick peek at the Persona 6 ones and basically I now know the premise of the game. Which has me even more interested.

@themightyant Persona 6 and KH5 are very much slated to launch in 2027. SEGA has already confirmed that Persona 6 is due to launch between March 2027 and March 2028, while Kingdom Hearts has had its first marketing push, so you should expect to see both by the end of 2027.

@ShadowRJ I thought it was a Triple-A game until you said that, it feels like a Triple-A game to me, well in-terms of quality/content/characters/playability, I don't rate games on how bright and shiny they are, that to me felt really well made and deserving of it's place there among those giants/franchises. I read 'Persona 4 the Ultimax Ultra Suplex Hold Official Design Works Art Book' too, like a lot of those books it was in Japanese so it spoiled nothing, I just wanted to see the art itself. I read the Persona 5 one too, also entirely in Japanese (which I don't speak)

It's five-hundred pages of art from the game. I've read stacks of books for games I've never played, almost every Final Fantasy art-book, every Resident Evil, a bunch of what I call Sammy books, I think they are Gacha. At the end of the day games are art. Losing physical games will be terrible, but losing physical books? I'd be on the next shuttle to another planet.

@AndyKazama Yeah, if anything its a relief that it is more Persona but with a twist on "crew" and how and where bad people are defeated. I did not see anything that surprised me.

I will be honest: I did look at the Persona 6 achievements, and yeah, it's more of the same, which I am very happy about.

@GirlVersusGame the biggest reference is the poster I mentioned on the subway, the rest are like little dialogue things when you watch the TV or hear on the subway and it’s just stuff like mentioning a young female police officer really into martial arts which fits with a character from 4.

The Persona rereleases are always interesting to me since they always add a lot of quality of life stuff (Morgana in original 5 stopped you going out at night a lot) and a few new minor and then one or two big new things which most people love but a vocal minority really dislike. The person who recommended Royal definitely steered you right there.

Only note I’d add on is with 3 Reload is almost definitely the way to go playing it now but if you ever decide to replay it then the port of Portable off the PSP has a character selection so you can play through as a girl (normally referred to as FeMC) which they decided to not include in the remake… 3 was already in a weird position of not having a definitive version (it got a rerelease on PS2 that added an epilogue (this is DLC for reload) and then the aforementioned PSP release) and now there are still reasons to play through portable…

@ShadowRJ thanks for covering 1&2 duology which I have played a bit of but not finished any of them. Kinda hoping we get ports of the PSP versions to preserve the originals before getting the remakes that keep getting brought up. Also nice to see someone who jumped in with 4 as well! I imported the US copy of Golden to the UK to justify my PS Vita perch use and was instantly hooked. It’s also the only game in my top 5 that I didn’t play as in the crucial kid/teenager age range.

@darylb24 probably another game where you can do the platinum in one run, which given my time available as an adult, I welcome.

@GirlVersusGame By today's standards, Persona 5 is 100% a triple AAA game. Persona 3 and 4 certainly weren't, even for their time, but Persona 5 wasn't really viewed as a AAA until after the fact (at least in my experience).

You need to remember that back in 2017, AAA gaming was still viewed as the games with the most realistic graphics. Atlus were also not owned by Sega yet. In fact Atlus at the time were so small, the original printing of Persona 5 was published by Deep Silver in Europe. Nowadays, I think everyone can agree that a game's quality isn't equal to how big the budget was, and 2017 was a place in time where that outlook was SLOWLY begining to unfold.

@ShadowRJ I'll be honest I hardly heard of them before trying Unicorn Overlord, that game made me look even closer. It's why I bought (haven't tried yet) Thirteen Sentinels. I tried Odin Sphere and Dragon's Crown too. The first time I saw their name mentioned was on my PS3 copy of Demon's Souls, I saw them on the Catherine box too (haven't played it yet) When I started gaming there were publishers and regional publishers.

Russia is massive so we have interior publishers too, they handle rosters of games and then re-publish. Example I thought Bethesda was a publisher not a Developer until I played Fallout 3 and Oblivion in the same weekend, then realized the difference. I know the difference now but back then it was one publisher for thousands of games. Music and film too, media gets re-published. Probably because of piracy too, also censorship.

Heads will definitely roll at SE today. xD

@ShadowRJ Sega bought Atlus in 2013. No idea why Deep Silver published in Europe, the collectors edition of that was the last one I bought. I realised I was rapidly running out of shelf space and the bigger boxes for these things made it much worse. Glad I did as I had been eying up that enormous Sonic Mania one that would have been even harder to fit on a shelf.

@themightyant nvidia leak and it took up till this year to confirm everything 😅

@Vyse_the_Legend The PS5 version is the only one getting a physical release in Japan, to be specific. I think it's very much possible that the Xbox and Switch 2 versions will get physical releases in the West as well (the latter likely being a game-key card)

So judas isnt fake? The GOAT Ken Levine is actually coming back??

@Cjam36 Platform features rely on server-side infrastructure, and things like achievements are tied to a particular product ID. While simpler fallbacks are usually used during early development, actual testing of platform-specific integration requires registering your game with that platform.

@Questionable_Duck I see, I was wondering why XBox wouldn't have a physical version but that would explain it since XBox isn't very popular in Japan.

I'm curious why they needed to be put on so long before release to somewhere I assume a "publish" button was pressed too soon or something. Like, obviously they'd need to go on in plenty of time before a game's release, but this early? And to somewhere so close to, again I assume, that "publish" button?