Paranoimia

@TheIdleCritic Ha, very true!

Let's just hope Yodel don't do their all-too-frequent trick of throwing the package over the garden fence if someone isn't home. Hell, they did it to us once when we were home, without even knocking on the door, breaking both glass items inside.

No self-respecting retailer should be employing Yodel anyway.

@StonyKL For Xbox, yes. PlayStation... not so much.

PS2 released in March 2000 in Japan. PSP released in March 2005 in the US. PS3 released in March 2007 in Europe. Vita released in February 2012 outside of Japan.

All these little things only reinforce my opinion that Sony wasn't planning/ready to release now, and were probably initially aiming for the first quarter of next year at the earliest.

@GreedyGoblins Ho ho! :rolleyes:

My bathroom fan also has the same number of exclusives as XSX!

@Dan_ozzzy189 Indeed. But at least I'm only £50 out of pocket, and not £600.

@David187 It's not paranoia at all. It's not a decision I took lightly. I even have a DualSense which I ordered, despite not having a confirmed day-one system. If there was a game I actually wanted to play, I'd have let the order stand, regardless. There were similar reports when PS4 released, but I was there day one because it had games I wanted

Yes, these are minor issues which will be patched. But with nothing I actually want to play on day one, I may as well wait until they resolve them and there's something I want to play. For me, it's the common sense move.

I've just cancelled my pre-order. Too many niggly little issues... expansion slot disabled, issues with external drives, crashes in rest mode, now this.

Add those to the fact that there's nothing on it initially that I really want to play, and (for me) it's not worth it. I'll wait until next year when they've hopefully worked the kinks out.

That's a first for me. I've pre-ordered every system since PS2, and this is the first time I've ever cancelled. 😮

I've still got PS4 games I haven't even started, and by next year a suitable TV will be more affordable as well.

I'm really starting to think that they've rushed it a bit. I suspect they were planning on launching early next year, but the MS announcement caught them on the hop and they don't want to be too far behind again, as they were with PS3. So... I'll wait until March or so, or until a game I want is due... perhaps Horizon 2.

The extractor fan in our bathroom makes more noise than that.

Who?

Isn't Dual IPA what you get when you order two pints of ale in a pub? 🤔

I was lucky number 7 in the queue outside my local GAME store when PS2 released. Where's my PS5? 🤔😥

All those traced rays, and somehow the engine still makes everyone look like a waxwork. 🤔 Been an issue in EA games since PS3.

Anyway... I skipped this version, but my mate bought it and he says that since the last update, it keeps crashing. He's deleted it and re-installed it, and it still happens. Anyone else experienced this?

@Unlucky13 Pretty much, yes. My PC, PS3, and PS4 are wired. The speeds on all are what I'd expect, at between 9 and 12 megabytes per second, depending on what else is happening on my LAN. It can be lower at peak usage times due to contention in the area, but that's just the way things are... nothing Sony can do about that.

When it comes to large patches for games, it actually takes the PS4 much longer to copy/install than it does to download. Last night I downloaded an 8GB update for Breakpoint in around 20 minutes, with other stuff using the network.

"We want 4K! We want 4K! We want 4K!"

"Okay, here... have 4K!"

"We want 1440p! We want 1440p! We want 1440p!"

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L And well you should! Shame! SHAME! SHAAAAAAAME! 😆

Never had an issue with download speeds, even going back to the PS3. I've got a Virgin 100Mb connection, and I usually get near to the full speed. But then, my consoles are connected via ethernet cables. And that's the same now, when Sony is supposedly throttling speeds due to the pandemic.

PS6 will double as a stand for your TV.

They weren't coloured on the PSP or Vita either, so no big deal.

"You’ll want to play with headphones due to 3D audio, of course"

No I won't, as I can't stand having anything on my head. It'll be connected to my hi-fi, like every system before it.

As for the PS4 Pro in the video... jesus, mine's never made a racket like that.

People only ever moaned about the browsers on PS3 and PS4 anyway, so no great loss.

I can think of no valid, realistic reason why you can't store your games on an external drive - be it SSD or even a 5400rpm HDD - right from the off.

As much as I've loved Sony's consoles and games, they seem to have made a string of bizarre decisions with the PS5, which is puzzling given that they got so much right with the PS4.

Because of the games available, I wasn't overly fussed when I learned that I wouldn't be getting a PS5 for launch day. At this moment in time, I'm actually starting to feel glad that I'm not. I am actually wondering whether to cancel my current pre-order and wait until they've sorted this stuff out.

Hang on... I know this report specifically talks about Sony, but Game Pass aside, isn't this the next-gen price generally - i.e. Xbox too? Why are Sony catching so much flak?

Apart from that, as I've said before, I personally think the hike is a bit much anyway, especially for those of us outside the US who had a hike at the beginning of the current generation whilst the US retained it's $60 pricing.

Yes, I know the US pricing doesn't include tax etc., but even then the highest average US Sales Tax (Tennessee, as far as I've been able to determine) is under 10% - some are as low as 5%, most seem to be around 7%. In the UK, the equivalent (VAT) is 20%.

So a $70 game in Tennesee costs just under $80 after tax. At current exchange rates, the same game, including VAT and costing £70, equates to over $90.

Definitely needs an "Absolute c*nt" badge. 🤣

Joking aside, I'm all for the 'positive reinforcement' vibe, but sometimes you just need to call a spade a spade, and you should be able to warn people off of a potentially bad (maybe even harmful) experience.

Any review system is only worth it if you can help people to actively avoid problems and not pretend they don't exist; not being able to do so only papers over the cracks.

There should be a method of giving people a black mark (not necessarily visible to the public), and a threshold below which matchmaking lumps all the a-holes together, so the rest of us can enjoy the games.

This is just nonsense, and something I sincerely hope is (re)added in future firmware.

With the slow release of info over the last several months, the internal expansion port disabled, and now this - a feature apparently once present but now removed for release - I'm starting to think Sony weren't really ready for release, and were maybe caught on the hop by Microsoft. Perhaps they were aiming for an early 2021 release as with PS3.

@GADG3Tx87 Well, I hope you're right. Seems a ridiculous limitation if this article is correct. If you can't do it at launch, hopefully it'll be enabled in the future.

So it seems my concerns about the use of a fancy new SSD are proving to be correct. Anyone with a large collection is going to be consistently juggling installs or forced to buy expensive (at least initially) expansion modules.

Even if you can only play PS5 games from internal storage, I don't see why you can't at least shunt them to an external HDD for storage when space requires, rather than having to delete and re-install, or worse (for some) re-download them.

How long does a disc-based game take to install?

Does the space of the installed OS include a reserve for gameplay recording, or does that take up further space?

@GADG3Tx87 The article seems to be very clear that you can't store PS5 games on an external drive.

I'm waiting until next Spring, I think. You'll get more TV for less money.

If it's anything like the DS4, connect it via USB and it just works.

@nessisonett It is getting a bit ridiculous.

Damage? Proper/decent opponent AI? Or just a prettier version? If it's another series of pretty processions, I'll pass.

@Dr-M Oh, it's quite diverse, and I'm not saying they're bad games... there's just not much of real interest to me.

I used to like R&C, but got bored of them with A Crack in Time, so the new one isn't the 'must play' it once would have been. I might pick it up, but later when it's cheaper.

Similar with Miles Morales - I enjoyed Spider-Man, but I picked it up late and cheap in a sale; the new game isn't a system seller for me.

Probably the one game I would get day one (if I had a confirmed PS5) is Watch Dogs Legion as I enjoyed the first two, but again... I don't feel like I absolutely have to play it.

The PS Plus Collection would probably be my biggest day-one draw, but most of what I'd want to play, I already own on PS4, so not exactly a system seller; I don't really care about higher resolutions and frame-rates when I've already played perfectly good versions on my Pro.

If you want to see what games interest me:
https://psnprofiles.com/Paranoimia

Horizon 2 or something from Naughty Dog would have had me excited, or a sequel to Days Gone. For what's available at launch, I'm happy to wait. I didn't really feel we needed the next generation yet anyway - I could happily have waited another year or two. Plus, I'm still not entirely convinced we're going to see much improvement in games beyond 'prettier' and 'more frames', at least not outside of Sony's first-party stuff. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I refuse to get my hopes up, as the only innovation many devs/publishers seem interested in is how to cram more MTX into games.

None. For the first time ever, there's nothing at launch which appeals to me... which makes it easier that it seems I won't get one for launch. It's a pretty dire line-up, in my personal opinion.

Used to love R&C, but lost interest with A Crack in Time, so probably won't be bothering with this.

Can you set the system to record gameplay footage to an external drive, rather than the internal SSD? If not, is there already space reserved for the recording so you don't lose more when you record?

Any indication as to whether you can shunt PS5 games to an external HDD when the internal storage is full, rather than deleting and re-installing?

Is PS5 any quicker at installing games from disc than PS4?

When you copy media to USB, does it copy at full speed unlike PS4? Can copies be done in the background so you can get on with something else?

Can you install PS4 games on the internal SSD if you wish?

With the system out in 2 weeks, why is some info still embargoed?

@KnightRider1982 The download speed will depend on your internet, as it always has. I've got 100Mb broadband, and it took me about half an hour.

Well, I'm not unhappy as I still get enough from Plus to justify the cost... but there's nothing here I'll be downloading.

"PS5 fans are very concerned..."

Are they, though? Really? Or is it just the usual overly-vocal minority of people who only seem to be happy when they're whining about something?

Good grief, Penfold. 😔🙄

My personal favourite game of the generation, and coincidentally was just about to start playing it again. Will have to leave this downloading and installing, and wait until tomorrow now.

@Makina Whether you bought it on disc or digitally, it's still installed on and run from the HDD, and you'd still have to download the patch, so...?

It's a 'no' from me, Bob.

Honestly, social media just needs to die now. There's nothing "social" about it any more. And the tribalism it generates is spilling over into the real world, making people more hateful than ever over the most ridiculously trivial things.

"stiff to begin with, before you push past the initial resistance and slide into the thrust"

Ooohhhhhhh, Matron! 😮🤪

@Arnna I don't. Up to this point, there's been very little need for one; I don't own any 4K movies, and there's precious little TV content either. That said, it's also never been an issue for me - I also only have a 1080p monitor for my PC, even though it's more than capable of 4K.

It was only ever going to be gaming which nudged me towards a 4K TV, and even now I'm thinking I'll hold off until next spring to get one, when not only will PS5's capabilities be better known, but there'll also be a wider range of fully compatible TVs available... and probably at lower price points than they are now. Until then, a PS5 will run perfectly well on my current 1080p Bravia.

I've considered a large (32+ inches) 4K gaming monitor, but they get stupidly expensive compared to 4K TVs, even though on the surface they're offering you less (no tuners, etc.); yes, I know there are other technical issues which supposedly justify the prices, but it still strikes me as ludicrous. I certainly wouldn't want to put a PS5 on anything smaller than 42 inches, so monitors are out of the running... it'll have to be a TV.

Well, that's officially the first Plus game on PS5 that I won't be bothering with.

So someone posted complete BS on Twitter, and half the internet has taken it as absolute truth? 🤔

Huh. There's a novelty. Never known that to happen before.

I don't mind the layout. Some curious decisions, though.

Also, what's "included"?

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Showing my age...

What superstar who? 🤣

Does it grate with anyone else that these "influencers" get sent them for free, while some long-time fans can't buy the thing for love nor money?

If there's no half-tuck, is it really Drake? 🤔😉