I don't care what the games are: it would simply price me out of consoles entirely. I'd transition to PC full time, without a second thought.

I think this could have become the next Rocket League had they launched into PS+ the way RL did. I liked the demo (even without being a soccer fan) but couldn't convince any friends to buy it.

I actually expected it to be on PS+ or have some free weeks of play for the World Cup. Odd to me they didn't try to capitalize on any hype.

@nielsonjuan I got it for free and could only handle a handful of hours before getting bored.

When 20 developers can put this together, you have to call into question the need for hundreds of developers on a single AAA release.

The industry isn't in trouble because of anything other than its own excess, mismanagement, and lack of vision.

Bigger dev teams don't equate to better games, no matter what the big studios seem to believe.

I HOPE there's a reset across the industry. One that brings along with it dozens of smaller studios that put out games like THIS instead of constantly rehashing the same big budget drivel.

Gamers can't always tell the difference between TPS and FPS. You think we were going to notice a change in writing style?! You give us too much credit. 😜

The big issue is pricing. Straight up.

You can't launch AA titles at $70 and expect incredible numbers. You just can't. This is true for Playstation and Xbox. The market is simply saturated with choice, much of it decent quality at low prices, especially on PC (where Xbox competes even moreso than Playstation).

Game Pass complicated matters but the PC market has always been the bigger thorn in the side of AAA market. The moment someone gets their hands on a laptop that they can throw just a few titles on and play casually, their eyes get opened to how bad the AAA market truly is.

Depending on one's tastes, you can get a literal arm load of titles for the same price as one new $70 AAAA "hit" from Ubisoft or whomever else. And that's before they upsell you with special editions and battle passes and DLC.

I love Borderlands. You think I want to spend $130 on B4's ultimate edition bundle or grab myself more than a dozen PC titles (possibly for even less money depending on sales)? Which will give me more enjoyment as a player of games?

The AAA market is F'ed.

Saros' problem was its price. I'm sorry, I loved Returnal (one of my most proud platinums) but single player rogue likes, no matter the production costs, are NOT $70 titled these days.

The biggest juggernauts in the genre can be had for a fraction of the cost. You can buy the entire Hades series (the critical darling of the genre) at full price and have money to spare.

Saros should have launched for $50 max.

@Bluemoon2008 Damn. You must hate sports.

That Fortnite season showed you could do a really great job of capturing the show's look in 3D so I'd love to see this happen.

Come in at a budget price like $40-50 and this is a top notch AA purchase in my book.

DMZ was my jam in MW2. This mode alone may convince me to buy 4 and I legit swore off COD after MW2. I wish this was F2P like Warzone, but alas...

@old_gamer74 Because you got release dates and "wishlist now" announcements at SoP and not game reveals like at SGF.

Whipped the pants off of SoP, that's for sure.

@LogicStrikesAgain See, that's your problem: you think such characters are "full grown" and "adult" when they are, in fact, neither.

@Ashkorsair In what world is 206 hours "not invested"???

@AdamNovice The problem is there's a difference between being interested in the games shown and still not being IMPRESSED by what was shown ABOUT those games.

I am literally all in on titles like Dune and No Rest for the Wicked. I've been interested in their PC releases but am holding out for PS5 so I can potentially play with more friends... but that doesn't mean I want an E3-like presser to waste time on something that could be a blog or twitter post.

I expected brand new announcements. We mostly got release dates and demo announcements. THAT'S what was disappointing (to me, at least).

I wanted to see brand new game announcements. I mostly got release date announcements.

The show was a solid SoP if it were a mid-year or out of the blue one. It was not, by any metric, deserving of the hype it got as an E3 presser replacement.

@FreasurePlanten It was an average SoP. Average isn't good enough when it's the SoP replacing your E3 presser.

Too many release date announcements, not enough new game announcements.

My buddies and I have been itching for a co-op shooter, so getting Darktide is great in my book.

The tonal dissonance certainly affected me. Playing matches with ninja turtles and celebrities running around is a large part of what ruined MW2 for me. I haven't been back since and likely won't be. They've lied before. They'll do it again.

And that sucks, because DMZ was my jam. I'm glad to see it coming back. But I'm not dropping $70 to get my ***** kicked in by Cheech and Chong.

I stand by the fact a co-op-enabled campaign with this extraction mode as the multiplayer suite would have sold like gangbusters. It would have been a shot in the arm to Sony's AAA franchises that they need since letting all their FPS franchises die on the vine.

I hope this game doesn't take itself too seriously.

Put Bungie on Killzone and make it the true first-party must-have AAA FPS it always deserved to be.

Give it its own SoP or some sort of re-reveal showcase to show it off in the best light possible. Then all the inevitable negativity won't taint this broader SoP.

Flintlock Siege of Dawn is awesome. Just throwing that out there.

@Balaam_ Someone doesn't understand the PC crowd...

People don't seem to have actually watched the gameplay where you can clearly hear Moon Girl providing commentary for DD's actions and then you see her star motif used in some of his effects. This seems like she'll not be playable but instead incorporated off screen, which to me makes some sense.

I was JUST wanting to play Outlaws. Good month for me.

And Flintlock is one of my favorite games in recent years.

Damn good month, by my estimation.

@Retron Heaven forbid you read the article.

@DartLOD What does Highguard have to do with Sony live service projects?

I can't wait for the Jet Set revival. Bomb Rush Cyberfunk was a banger.

Considering, in hindsight, Sony had dev studios waiting in the wings for a hit to save themselves from closure, the mismanagement/misunderstanding of their resources is the biggest issue here.

Think: Why not have Naughty Dog lead Factions' development but then hand it off to Bluepoint or Firewalk (or someone else) who has now been entirely shuttered anyway? If Factions was going to be "too big" to let ND focus on single player titles (a fact the ENTIRE MANAGEMENT SUITE should have seen coming from a mile away, mind you, given what ND was being tasked with producing), then Sony should have let someone else focus on its upkeep. Then they'd at least have not wasted the entire Factions development budget, had a game in the market to try and make money back, AND saved a studio or two (not to mention public/fan sentiment). If COD can support something like 8 studios, Factions could have been supported by 1-2, easily.

I understand Sony wanting some live service hits to call their own. I really REALLY do. It was a smart strategy, no one can convince me otherwise. Where they failed was in the management of the assets they had at their disposal. They completely dropped the ball regarding what studios worked on what and how. THAT'S the biggest failure of this generational strategy and I blame 2 people for it: Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst. Simple as.

I certainly can't be the only person who looks at this and, as great as Returnal is, doesn't see its spiritual successor as a $70 title. If you're a rogue like fan, you can snag Hades and its sequel for less (even when both are at full price). I don't understand companies pricing themselves out of sales so frequently.

I have this downloaded thanks to PS+ but I haven't gotten around to it yet due to my backlog. It may have to be my next AAA on the docket. Itching to turn my brain off and blast some stuff.

Ubisoft may be one of the most tone deaf collections of developers in the business. It's like they're allergic to understanding what fans actually like about the successes they achieve. Rarely does a Ubisoft game actually take what's good about one iteration and improve upon it, instead usually throwing out a ton of what people love and shoehorning needless bloat.

As a publisher known for sequels, you'd think they'd understand that "the same, but just more of the good stuff" was a really, really easy strategy for making ***** tons of money. Instead, we get absolutely bizarre sequels and reboots that make next to no sense. Or, we get nothing out of series that are begging for literally just "more of the same." It's wild they are still in business.

I've always wanted an Invincible game, but I don't do fighting games :/

"Shoryuken resist it" is an all-timer. Bravo.

@Exerion76 Uh, you absolutely have to start over when you lose all your lives in arcade games. What are you talking about?

There are differences, I'm not saying there aren't, but they are pretty damn similar when you think about it.

I always enjoy how much hate rogue likes get, when they're fundamentally just arcade games with upgrades.

There's fundamentally little different between playing a roguelike and playing, say, Pacman except that a roguelike gets easier over time.

People are weird.

Choosing to go back to not to making money would be an interesting business decision, to say the least.

I was excited for this game but this breakdown has completely turned me off from even attempting to engage with this game's systems. This BS can f all the way off.

@lazarus11 23% of us appreciate y'all paying to beta test the game while we sit back, enjoy other titles, and wait for it to be finished.

When we grab it for cheap it'll be a better game than any of y'all played through for way less money.

Deciding to go back to not selling copies of their games is certainly a choice.

Which is worse: Cyberpunk having this happen on launch at a larger scale, or Starfield having it happen 2 years post-release but at (presumably) a smaller scale?

I wish I had time for Hades 2 and Pragmata, but they're going to have to wait until I cut down on my backlog a bit.

Made by 4 people in a matter of months. Sold like gangbusters at $8. But people say that gaming is broken. I hold stuff up like this and argue it's specifically AAA gaming that is broken.

A single player campaign with full co-op, with this as the multiplayer mode, would have absolutely crushed.

Thinking this product, as it stands, is worth anywhere close to $200mm in upfront costs is staggeringly stupid.

I don't know what is happening at Sony internally (and neither do you, let's be clear), but they ABSOLUTELY need to be firing some of these studio leads that are just utterly botching one game after another. The whole generation will be remembered for what it failed to release, not what it managed to put out.

I still don't understand how Sony can't figure out how to design interesting multiplayer games.

What good are skins in an FPS game that doesn't have multiplayer?