@Bdbrady I'm playing on the Pro and when indoors and in dungeons it's perfectly fine. Just outside and in the Oblivion gates, performance can get rough with the stuttering but this is the case on every platform and PC and is certainly an engine/design issue at the moment.
I'd say its still very playable for the most part, just how much performance issues bother you personally
I'm looking forward to this, Sonic Racing Transformed is still amongst my favourite Kart racers, so if this can get to that level of quality we are in for a treat.
As others have and will point out, the network test was a bit too chaotic at times, so it'll be interesting to see how the full release balances this out
Not sure about regret but I have stopped playing it until it gets a patch to smooth out the stuttering. It should never have released in such a state and this notion of simply slapping an old game in a UE5 frock needs to stop as performance is often abysmal with that engine
Perhaps that key on a disc did have an impact after all, I myself was going to buy the physical version on PS5 but have instead played it through PC Gamepass.
On the other hand are we all guilty of simply being way more interested in how players play Xbox games than Microsoft themselves? They seemed pretty happy that more players played at launch than ever before and with over 40% completion of the achievement for finishing chapter 4, it seems players are enjoying it
It's hard to look forward to something that's likely at least a decade away but I will say that Cyberpunk 2077 as become one of my favourite games of recent years
I played it back at launch on PC and it was easily the worst game I played last year, probably even this full generation. Consisting of walking around some dull empty environments, solving boring stand in the right spot to line up some symbols puzzles and a bit of dull, seemingly scripted combat, looked pretty though.
Played Still Wakes The Deep a week later and enjoyed that so much more
I wonder if this is the danger of them effectively splitting their own fan base through game design. I'm a huge fan of classic Doom and Doom 2016 but not so much Eternal but from what I've seen and heard of this it may not fully satisfy either camp
I love Doom but Eternal never clicked for me after the excellent Doom 2016 and watching gameplay of this, I keep going back and forth over getting it now or waiting for a sale
I originally got premium for the PS1/2 classics but the support for them has been pretty poor so I never renewed and now I just buy the ones I want. In all fairness I've got too many games to play before even looking at anything on a subscription
I think its more just people clutching at straws at what is simply a reference to the other games. Could there be a one off mission there? Sure but I find it incredibly unlikely they've built Liberty City for GTAVI, as that would be an extraordinary amount of work at this level of fidelity for limited benefit to the game.
This isn't like RDR2 where many textures and environmental details can be used across the map. Liberty City would have to have completely different buildings, interiors, cars, npc's amongst many other things
As long as they don't needlessly slap it into Unreal Engine and destroy the artwork and whilst they're at it, why not give us a 60fps patch and resolution boost for RDR2?
@Secryt what a ridiculous thing to say. There is nothing entitled about buying a product and wanting it to function as intended.
I've looked at Amazon, Argos and GAME and there is no mention of any download being required, except for one line of small print on Amazon, which you have to scroll the page many times to see, at least those Switch Game Key Cards make it very clear on the box.
It matters to many people if the full version is on the disc or cartridge as it should be
@Secryt they absolutely do not need to stop. If you only buy digitally then this is none of your concern anyway, but millions of people still buy physical media and they deserve to have it work as such, not some bull***t glorified access key
I cancelled my physical Doom preorder because of this and now I'll wait for a digital sale to play it.
On Switch 2, at least there is a financial reason as those cartridges are expensive and they're very up front about it but here, discs are cheap and they've already paid for them. No PS5 game should release on disc without a complete playable build on the it
Well if it maintains the standard of the excellent season 1 then I'm happy with that. I'm a big fan of the Fallout franchise in general but even my wife loved the show. Oh and I just had to get the replica Pip-Boy
Nearly £700 for a standard PS5? It's kind of funny to see the true cost of modern consoles gaming up front, where you need a subscription to play online or even for cloud saves (depending on platform). Still, you can get 24 months of premium for under £200 on CD Keys and it'll probably be on offer on black Friday, so I'd say this bundle is pretty poor value
@LikelySatan there's a creative mode that gives you unlimited resources and by default turns off dinosaur aggression and needs but you can configure all the settings as you like.
My 8 year old can play it by himself after watching me for a bit to see how to put the fences in and add dinosaurs by himself. If your kid is a bit younger, you'd probably have to make a park for them but it can be done pretty quickly and saved to mess about in
I've just picked up Jurassic World Evolution 2 on the last sale and I'm absolutely loving it. I used to play Theme Park many years ago and the Roller Coaster Tycoon games but haven't played one for a while. So this has been a great mix of reliving my dinosaur living youth along with theme park building and accidentally on purpose leaving gaps in the fence to see if people can get eaten 😂
This is an absolute joke, it's bad enough on Switch 2 but at least there is some kind of financial reason for it with those cartridges being pretty expensive. But here, they've already paid for the f***ing disc.
Xbox bang on about preservation but are a complete joke with none of their games available as a genuine physical product
I'm delighted that it's slowed down and dumped the platforming after Eternal, I much prefer Doom being grounded and simply about shooting big monsters and hopefully the story doesn't get in the way
I got the platinum on the first one and loved it, so I'm very excited for this release and whilst I'm disappointed about GTA's delay, it does now mean that I can take my time with this one
Sadly this is standard for Xbox these days as they simply don't care about physical games. I can't even think of the last Xbox release that's playable from a disc.
EDIT, it seems even worse on Xbox where the disc only has a 328MB install and booting that simply opens the store page for you to install the game 🙈
I wouldn't be surprised if that new Xbox backwards compatibility is to get their existing bc games running on PC. It seems increasingly likely their next "console" will be a PC in a box and there's that new Xbox handheld PC on the way. So I'm not convinced this about bringing more old games forward.
As for Playstation, I'd much rather see them remaster stuff like Resistance, Infamous and Motorstorm as opposed to backwards compatibility
All these devs jumping on Unreal Engine 5, yet the 2 proprietary engines for GTAVI and Death Stranding 2 are producing better results than anything I've seen on UE5 and won't be suffering from the performance issues of it either.
I absolutely loved the first, playing it at launch and seeing roads and zipline routes being developed between yourself and gamers across the world, was an incredibly unique experience. Plus this was a game that genuinely made the environment itself an obstacle and there was none of that just sprint from point A to B that often plagues open world games.
I'm very much looking forward to this, even more so now that I can take my time without having GTA6 looming on the horizon
It's definitely a level above anything we've seen so far in other games, with some quite extraordinary attention to detail such as those beer bottles. This is one game that I'm happy to have the PS5 Pro for and looking through the images on their website, I think half the joy in this game will simply be exploring its gorgeous open world
@brakeman90 the new lighting model likely takes up more resources and they've also abandoned the checkerboard rendering which produced really good results
There are certainly some things that have been improved but also downgraded. From everything I've seen, I really can't say that it looks better overall most of the time
I'll certainly have a look through but I've just picked up Jurassic World Evolution 2 on the last sale and I'm absolutely loving it. I used to play Theme Park many years ago and the Roller Coaster Tycoon games but haven't played one for a while. So this has been a great mix of reliving my dinosaur living youth along with theme park building and accidentally on purpose leaving gaps in the fence to see if people can get eaten 😂
Whilst I still personally prefer Resident Evil 2, it's hard to argue against Resident Evil 4 being top, especially when taking into consideration its exceptional VR mode as well. No matter how ypu look at it though, Capcom have been on a fantastic run
Its a 7 from me, whilst there have been some nice improvements overall to the visuals and gameplay, there is absolutely no excuse for this game to have such poor performance and it should have easily been a locked 60fps and this drops it down a couple of points
This looks absolutely incredible and a level above any open world game I've seen. Shame we didn't see any actual gameplay but given their previous games, I see no reason why the in game visuals won't match the cutscenes
I mean, I have Gamepass until November but bought Oblivion on PS5. Gamepass has been useful to me (though I won't be renewing) but for games such as these that I know I'll really enjoy and likely replay (the upcoming Doom as well), I'll buy them and often on Playstation
@ThaBEN this isn't Nintendo's fault, it's the reality that we live in. Costs are going up everywhere, between power costs, wages and now components due to Trump and his tariffs. Sony have already raised the prices of their consoles twice this generation before Nintendo announced anything
I said this was inevitable and not just a Nintendo issue when they announced their prices. Unfortunately we are living in a reality where everyone's costs are increasing and sadly any next generation console is now going to be very expensive.
Anyone thinking that the PS6 is going to be cheaper than the Pro is now, is out of their mind
This is a great format to showcase games and has made me more interested in this game than just a trailer did.
My own history with Borderlands is enjoying the 1st, getting the platinum on the 2nd and being my most played game on PS3, to bouncing off the 3rd as I hated most of the characters and the writing. Because of that, I was happy to largely ignore number 4 but having watched that, I'm actually quite interested in it. The new Siren is looking like great fun to play as too, so I'll now be keeping an eye on this
Just caught up with this and as many others are saying, this looks way better than Borderlands 3 from a character and tonal point of view and they even have a Vault hunter that I want to play as again. I've always played as the Siren and the new one looks great.
This has gone from me not caring, to I might actually have to play this
It's great to see this coming to the PS5 as well and I'm assuming this "Arcade Archives 2" is going to be a set of games aimed at the 3D era of arcade gaming? At least I hope so, as I'd love to see more of them come to home consoles
I played it on Xbox and PC and whilst i enjoyed it, its not something I'm likely to return to, especially as you can't migrate save files. I'm now waiting for Mario Kart and Sonic for my racing fix
@themightyant yep, we have no idea how much these cost to make and nobody seems to take into account the distribution costs incurred with those 64GB cartridges, which is a significant portion of each sale.
I've said something similar before on here but when it's costing me £40 for a takeaway for the family or more than double that for a night out, then me spending £10 extra on a game I'm going to play for years, doesn't even register anymore
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Re: Oblivion Remastered Updates Still Nowhere to Be Seen a Month After Release
@Bdbrady I'm playing on the Pro and when indoors and in dungeons it's perfectly fine. Just outside and in the Oblivion gates, performance can get rough with the stuttering but this is the case on every platform and PC and is certainly an engine/design issue at the moment.
I'd say its still very playable for the most part, just how much performance issues bother you personally
Re: Age Rating Suggests Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Isn't Too Far Down the Road
I'm looking forward to this, Sonic Racing Transformed is still amongst my favourite Kart racers, so if this can get to that level of quality we are in for a treat.
As others have and will point out, the network test was a bit too chaotic at times, so it'll be interesting to see how the full release balances this out
Re: Oblivion Remastered Updates Still Nowhere to Be Seen a Month After Release
Not sure about regret but I have stopped playing it until it gets a patch to smooth out the stuttering. It should never have released in such a state and this notion of simply slapping an old game in a UE5 frock needs to stop as performance is often abysmal with that engine
Re: Analytics Firm Predicts Paltry Full-Price Sales for DOOM: The Dark Ages on PS5
Perhaps that key on a disc did have an impact after all, I myself was going to buy the physical version on PS5 but have instead played it through PC Gamepass.
On the other hand are we all guilty of simply being way more interested in how players play Xbox games than Microsoft themselves? They seemed pretty happy that more players played at launch than ever before and with over 40% completion of the achievement for finishing chapter 4, it seems players are enjoying it
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Sequel Stays in Night City, But You'll Also Visit 'Chicago Gone Wrong'
It's hard to look forward to something that's likely at least a decade away but I will say that Cyberpunk 2077 as become one of my favourite games of recent years
Re: Hellblade 2 Announced for PS5, Out This Summer
I played it back at launch on PC and it was easily the worst game I played last year, probably even this full generation. Consisting of walking around some dull empty environments, solving boring stand in the right spot to line up some symbols puzzles and a bit of dull, seemingly scripted combat, looked pretty though.
Played Still Wakes The Deep a week later and enjoyed that so much more
Re: Rockstar Quietly Increases Prices of Red Dead Redemption Games on PS4
That's just a f***ing joke and just pure greed as they have long since made their money on these games
Re: Inquiry Already Underway Over Lacklustre DOOM: The Dark Ages Opening
I wonder if this is the danger of them effectively splitting their own fan base through game design. I'm a huge fan of classic Doom and Doom 2016 but not so much Eternal but from what I've seen and heard of this it may not fully satisfy either camp
Re: Random: Hideo Kojima Gave His Studio a USB Stick with All His Ideas on It
I heard Randy Pitchford did the same thing, just hope he left the right one this time...
Re: Poll: Are You Playing DOOM: The Dark Ages?
I love Doom but Eternal never clicked for me after the excellent Doom 2016 and watching gameplay of this, I keep going back and forth over getting it now or waiting for a sale
Re: PS Plus Premium Members Stunned at Dramatic Decline in Quality
I originally got premium for the PS1/2 classics but the support for them has been pretty poor so I never renewed and now I just buy the ones I want. In all fairness I've got too many games to play before even looking at anything on a subscription
Re: Fallout Season 2 Set for December, Season 3 Also Gets the Green Light
@BleedingDreamer I've got that preordered as well, so glad it's finally getting a physical release and hopefully they all do
Re: GTA 6 Fans Debating Whether Trailer 2 Teases Bonus Liberty City Map
I think its more just people clutching at straws at what is simply a reference to the other games. Could there be a one off mission there? Sure but I find it incredibly unlikely they've built Liberty City for GTAVI, as that would be an extraordinary amount of work at this level of fidelity for limited benefit to the game.
This isn't like RDR2 where many textures and environmental details can be used across the map. Liberty City would have to have completely different buildings, interiors, cars, npc's amongst many other things
Re: GTA 4 Could Be Getting a PS5 Port to Help Ease the Wait for the Next Game
As long as they don't needlessly slap it into Unreal Engine and destroy the artwork and whilst they're at it, why not give us a 60fps patch and resolution boost for RDR2?
Re: Reaction: Game Key PS5 Discs Are a Disgrace, and Sony Should Put a Stop to Them
@Secryt what a ridiculous thing to say. There is nothing entitled about buying a product and wanting it to function as intended.
I've looked at Amazon, Argos and GAME and there is no mention of any download being required, except for one line of small print on Amazon, which you have to scroll the page many times to see, at least those Switch Game Key Cards make it very clear on the box.
It matters to many people if the full version is on the disc or cartridge as it should be
Re: Reaction: Game Key PS5 Discs Are a Disgrace, and Sony Should Put a Stop to Them
@Secryt they absolutely do not need to stop. If you only buy digitally then this is none of your concern anyway, but millions of people still buy physical media and they deserve to have it work as such, not some bull***t glorified access key
Re: Reaction: Game Key PS5 Discs Are a Disgrace, and Sony Should Put a Stop to Them
@Stickleman well I'm certainly not buying a disc that basically has nothing on it. I'll still get the game digitally, just not yet
Re: Reaction: Game Key PS5 Discs Are a Disgrace, and Sony Should Put a Stop to Them
I cancelled my physical Doom preorder because of this and now I'll wait for a digital sale to play it.
On Switch 2, at least there is a financial reason as those cartridges are expensive and they're very up front about it but here, discs are cheap and they've already paid for them. No PS5 game should release on disc without a complete playable build on the it
Re: Fallout TV Show Could Be Around for Another 5 Seasons
Well if it maintains the standard of the excellent season 1 then I'm happy with that. I'm a big fan of the Fallout franchise in general but even my wife loved the show. Oh and I just had to get the replica Pip-Boy
Re: PS Plus Premium Sub Is the Highlight of New PS5 Console Bundle
Nearly £700 for a standard PS5? It's kind of funny to see the true cost of modern consoles gaming up front, where you need a subscription to play online or even for cloud saves (depending on platform). Still, you can get 24 months of premium for under £200 on CD Keys and it'll probably be on offer on black Friday, so I'd say this bundle is pretty poor value
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 580
@LikelySatan there's a creative mode that gives you unlimited resources and by default turns off dinosaur aggression and needs but you can configure all the settings as you like.
My 8 year old can play it by himself after watching me for a bit to see how to put the fences in and add dinosaurs by himself. If your kid is a bit younger, you'd probably have to make a park for them but it can be done pretty quickly and saved to mess about in
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 580
I've just picked up Jurassic World Evolution 2 on the last sale and I'm absolutely loving it. I used to play Theme Park many years ago and the Roller Coaster Tycoon games but haven't played one for a while. So this has been a great mix of reliving my dinosaur living youth along with theme park building and accidentally on purpose leaving gaps in the fence to see if people can get eaten 😂
Re: PS5 Fans Furious As Microsoft Ships DOOM: The Dark Ages with Just 85MB on the Disc
@antlion PS5 discs hold 100GB, which is bigger than this game is
Re: PS5 Fans Furious As Microsoft Ships DOOM: The Dark Ages with Just 85MB on the Disc
This is an absolute joke, it's bad enough on Switch 2 but at least there is some kind of financial reason for it with those cartridges being pretty expensive. But here, they've already paid for the f***ing disc.
Xbox bang on about preservation but are a complete joke with none of their games available as a genuine physical product
Re: DOOM: The Dark Ages (PS5) - Medieval Mashup Slows Down for FPS Excellence
I'm delighted that it's slowed down and dumped the platforming after Eternal, I much prefer Doom being grounded and simply about shooting big monsters and hopefully the story doesn't get in the way
Re: A Useful New PS5 Welcome Hub Widget Is Rolling Out to Some Users in Beta
I'll be honest, I just turn off most of the widgets so I can see the background properly 😂
Re: PS5's Next Big Game Death Stranding 2 Is Complete and Ready for Release
I got the platinum on the first one and loved it, so I'm very excited for this release and whilst I'm disappointed about GTA's delay, it does now mean that I can take my time with this one
Re: Rumour: DOOM: The Dark Ages PS5's Physical Edition May Require a Download to Start
Sadly this is standard for Xbox these days as they simply don't care about physical games. I can't even think of the last Xbox release that's playable from a disc.
EDIT, it seems even worse on Xbox where the disc only has a 328MB install and booting that simply opens the store page for you to install the game 🙈
Re: Xbox Is Stepping Up Its Backwards Compatibility Efforts Again, to the Envy of PS5 Fans
I wouldn't be surprised if that new Xbox backwards compatibility is to get their existing bc games running on PC. It seems increasingly likely their next "console" will be a PC in a box and there's that new Xbox handheld PC on the way. So I'm not convinced this about bringing more old games forward.
As for Playstation, I'd much rather see them remaster stuff like Resistance, Infamous and Motorstorm as opposed to backwards compatibility
Re: Gallery: Death Stranding 2 PS5 Screenshots Take Guerrilla's Decima Engine to New Horizons
All these devs jumping on Unreal Engine 5, yet the 2 proprietary engines for GTAVI and Death Stranding 2 are producing better results than anything I've seen on UE5 and won't be suffering from the performance issues of it either.
This game is another stunner
Re: Round Up: Death Stranding 2 PS5 Previews Describe a Metal Gear Glow Up for Kojima Sequel
I absolutely loved the first, playing it at launch and seeing roads and zipline routes being developed between yourself and gamers across the world, was an incredibly unique experience. Plus this was a game that genuinely made the environment itself an obstacle and there was none of that just sprint from point A to B that often plagues open world games.
I'm very much looking forward to this, even more so now that I can take my time without having GTA6 looming on the horizon
Re: Rockstar Silences the Sceptics, Confirms GTA 6 Trailer Was a Mix of Gameplay and Cutscenes on Base PS5
It's definitely a level above anything we've seen so far in other games, with some quite extraordinary attention to detail such as those beer bottles. This is one game that I'm happy to have the PS5 Pro for and looking through the images on their website, I think half the joy in this game will simply be exploring its gorgeous open world
Re: Days Gone Remastered PS5 Amplifies the Horror Compared to Its PS4 Predecessor
@brakeman90 the new lighting model likely takes up more resources and they've also abandoned the checkerboard rendering which produced really good results
Re: Days Gone Remastered PS5 Amplifies the Horror Compared to Its PS4 Predecessor
There are certainly some things that have been improved but also downgraded. From everything I've seen, I really can't say that it looks better overall most of the time
Re: Almost 2,500 Top-Notch PS5, PS4 Games Discounted in New PS Store Sale
I'll certainly have a look through but I've just picked up Jurassic World Evolution 2 on the last sale and I'm absolutely loving it. I used to play Theme Park many years ago and the Roller Coaster Tycoon games but haven't played one for a while. So this has been a great mix of reliving my dinosaur living youth along with theme park building and accidentally on purpose leaving gaps in the fence to see if people can get eaten 😂
Re: Best Capcom Games on PS5
Whilst I still personally prefer Resident Evil 2, it's hard to argue against Resident Evil 4 being top, especially when taking into consideration its exceptional VR mode as well. No matter how ypu look at it though, Capcom have been on a fantastic run
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Oblivion Remastered?
Its a 7 from me, whilst there have been some nice improvements overall to the visuals and gameplay, there is absolutely no excuse for this game to have such poor performance and it should have easily been a locked 60fps and this drops it down a couple of points
Re: GTA 6 Trailer 2 Is Finally Here, Graphics are Jaw-Dropping
This looks absolutely incredible and a level above any open world game I've seen. Shame we didn't see any actual gameplay but given their previous games, I see no reason why the in game visuals won't match the cutscenes
Re: PS5 Exclusive Ghost of Yotei Rockets Right to the Top of PS Store Pre-Orders Chart
@Fuzzymonkeyfunk same but with CDKeys, in a recent PS store sale I spent £100 on a few games but in reality it only cost me about £78
Re: PS5 Exclusive Ghost of Yotei Rockets Right to the Top of PS Store Pre-Orders Chart
I do find it funny that the Internet is seemingly completely against $80 games and then when given a choice, most choose the $80 variant.
As for preordering, I don't see the point in giving my money months in advance for something that I can just buy on the day
It's not just Ghost either, the more expensive versions of F125, Doom and Death Stranding are also the better selling variants
Re: Plenty of People Are Playing Expedition 33 on PS5, Despite Having to Actually Buy It
I mean, I have Gamepass until November but bought Oblivion on PS5. Gamepass has been useful to me (though I won't be renewing) but for games such as these that I know I'll really enjoy and likely replay (the upcoming Doom as well), I'll buy them and often on Playstation
Re: GTA 6 Delayed to 2026, Out on 26th May 2026
I can't say I'm surprised and hopefully this frees up other publishers to announce their release dates now
Re: PS5 Pro Is No Longer the Most Expensive Console You Can Buy
You'd have to be out of your mind to pay more for an Xbox than a PS5 Pro
Re: Xbox Now Selling PS5 Games for $80, Joins Switch 2 in Price Increase
@ThaBEN this isn't Nintendo's fault, it's the reality that we live in. Costs are going up everywhere, between power costs, wages and now components due to Trump and his tariffs. Sony have already raised the prices of their consoles twice this generation before Nintendo announced anything
Re: Xbox Now Selling PS5 Games for $80, Joins Switch 2 in Price Increase
I said this was inevitable and not just a Nintendo issue when they announced their prices. Unfortunately we are living in a reality where everyone's costs are increasing and sadly any next generation console is now going to be very expensive.
Anyone thinking that the PS6 is going to be cheaper than the Pro is now, is out of their mind
Re: Sony's New State of Play Proves the Value of Deep Dives, Trends on YouTube
This is a great format to showcase games and has made me more interested in this game than just a trailer did.
My own history with Borderlands is enjoying the 1st, getting the platinum on the 2nd and being my most played game on PS3, to bouncing off the 3rd as I hated most of the characters and the writing. Because of that, I was happy to largely ignore number 4 but having watched that, I'm actually quite interested in it. The new Siren is looking like great fun to play as too, so I'll now be keeping an eye on this
Re: State of Play Presents Borderlands 4 Deep Dive on PS5 Pro
Just caught up with this and as many others are saying, this looks way better than Borderlands 3 from a character and tonal point of view and they even have a Vault hunter that I want to play as again. I've always played as the Siren and the new one looks great.
This has gone from me not caring, to I might actually have to play this
Re: It's Ridge Racer! Riiidge Racer! And It's Coming to PS5, PS4 Next Month
It's great to see this coming to the PS5 as well and I'm assuming this "Arcade Archives 2" is going to be a set of games aimed at the 3D era of arcade gaming? At least I hope so, as I'd love to see more of them come to home consoles
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Forza Horizon 5 on PS5?
I played it on Xbox and PC and whilst i enjoyed it, its not something I'm likely to return to, especially as you can't migrate save files. I'm now waiting for Mario Kart and Sonic for my racing fix
Re: Ghost of Yotei's PS5 Price Provokes Fresh Switch 2 Fury
@themightyant yep, we have no idea how much these cost to make and nobody seems to take into account the distribution costs incurred with those 64GB cartridges, which is a significant portion of each sale.
I've said something similar before on here but when it's costing me £40 for a takeaway for the family or more than double that for a night out, then me spending £10 extra on a game I'm going to play for years, doesn't even register anymore