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@danzoEX that’s all my brain saw at first. PS5 disc and Red redemption. I immediately went to excited for RDR2.

@Enuo what’s incomplete about it? The game runs at launch better than previous ambitious RPGs at launch. Quality of life improvements listening to real community feedback of paying customers doesn’t mean a game is incomplete. Artists oftentimes have a vision and go with it. We are lucky this dev is humble enough to receive feedback. As recently we have seen many developers especially in the west be nasty if fans don’t like something.

People hold this game to different standards. Plenty of games before it that launched with continuous updates with much worse gameplay and I’m not even talking about cyberpunk. Even starfield which was rated higher by journalists at launch. Despite that game not even being optimized. Give this dev a break! They launched at current generation RPG which to me feels next generation just like when the Witcher 3 came out.
The devs are being humble and listening to community feedback to make the game better. As internally what they had before they thought was fine. And their paying customers whom are their base didn’t like some gameplay elements.

@Andy22385 which is why I never respect any game ratings! In general unless I agree with the person on many things and have the same tastes, a rating means nothing to me.

Do it. So buying whatever the next Xbox becomes is actually compelling. Keep the traditional IPs that were multi plat that were bought the same. Increase the cost of windows and other MS subscriptions by 0.02$ each calendar year. A lot of money will still be made by the corporation.

It happens to the best of us. They should still be embarrassed as they make so much money and should have the best cybersecurity measures implemented by the quarter. They can afford the best engineers, hardware and software. If it’s an insider breech then that is harder to defend against.

@WolfyTn we shall see. The A team who made the Witcher 3 what it was is no longer with the studio. I don’t have any confidence that CDPRs new hires will deliver the same ethos that made the trilogy popular to the mainstream. Sure it will be popular at launch just because of what the previous blokes built but most likely not like before. Studios are just names. It’s the blokes that make the games not the name. Just look at BioWare. Also they are using the Toyota Camry engine that is Unreal Engine X.

I hope the game doesn’t go on sell anytime soon. I hope it remains full priced for the years to come. I also hope that they release a complete edition in the coming years with a real physical media release. I will buy it again.

@Dyn_Arall besides performance patches, as long as a game is playable quality of life updates for what the fans deem necessary is just extras. The devs likely thought how they had the game setup worked for them. But many fans didn’t like what they had. So they are listening to the majority of people who purchased the game’s feedback. They could always say take it as it as were only updating performance, like some ego driven devs might do.

Not the first ambitious current generation game to have frame drops for any console generation. CD has received so much negativity in my opinion for its performance. Launched better than studios that use the Toyota Camry engine! DF should help them code to find a comprise but they won’t. Witcher 3 had its rough spots for the consoles last generation and was given much more grace!

@Gaia093 this game has had such an interesting reception. From my perspective seems that it has been judged harder than many other releases. I wish more eastern devs luck as they are bringing interesting stuff to the market! This title is very ambitious and the devs did get it working on the very old 7+ year console chipsets. They have had various performance modes. Being a gamer of many years, each generation has had an ambitious game which the devs didn’t want the throttle back their vision all the way. I remember when the Witcher 3 came out. It was still playable to me and I enjoyed it. Despite the performance being not good on xbox. Anyways there is a disconnect between gamers, random YouTube critics and mainstream critics. Lastly, I think people should learn to not take critics seriously especially if the taste of the critics doesn’t match with one’s own. I’d never take beer advice from someone whom doesn’t like premium Belgian beer like me for example.

Kudos again for them releasing sells numbers. Sales aren’t subscriptions nor player engagement counts. Good for the studio! It’s always a risk launching a new title and hoping it sticks with people. I hope that they have good profits and are past the break even point. I also hope it doesn’t go on sell anytime soon. So that they can make as much as possible for future projects.

This is why number ratings should be followed by the genre for the rated game in question. This game wasn’t the most popular but because it was on subsidized gamepass it had more players whom would most likely not purchase it outright. Meanwhile different genre games like crimson desert get judged harder despite being more ambitious and having more hours of new content.

I’d have respect for digital only if there was an option to download a purchased game once to a verifiable removable media device sold by MS, Sony or Nintendo. That way people can always boot up the game indefinitely. And they would be able to easily ensure that it’s only downloaded once or ensure it’s deleted for being downloaded again.

@LifeGirl that’s the plan for internet of everything. Keep people beholden to servers. Fans are at the mercy of a studio keeping a game listed.

lol at people having a problem for this in a fantasy world which has many elements across different periods. I see no problem for procedural generation for petty things. For this I hope that the game doesn’t receive a price cut anytime soon. As the studio works diligently to deal with petty things like AI art that is background noise.

@Oram77 that’s honestly what turned me off from this game. I get it that is how Bethesda designs games. But one thing I like and appreciate about modern hardware is the ability for faster loading maps and assets.

@Hyena_socks I like the American system. People get more of their own money and can manage their funds accordingly for healthcare. It just seems more expensive in general when people need to use it because they didn’t plan. Whereas in Europe money is already taken for the general public. Obviously this case the companies greed got to them and there isn’t a good system in place there to take care of people whom fall terminally ill. No one asks for that. So I would like to see some concessions and more compassion for those cases.

The west has itself to blame here. No reason we cannot make more of these high tech products across all western nations. We seriously should have never let production get so lop sided with all things related to semiconductors. By (WE) I’m not talking about you and I. I’m not a board member whose eyes turned green at East Asian cheap production for decades. I digress! I hope next generation is delayed. And with it Sony re-designs the SOC so it will be a year or so less behind by the time it comes out.

@Rich33 ha! The boys will be okay in regard to the cellphones. But graphic card bros whom like to upgrade often won’t like what is to come!

@twitchtvpat gaming has always been a luxury hobby. Growing up my parents got my siblings and I nearly every console when they could. But we didn’t get every game just a few to hold us over as there were other things. I think many people forget gaming is a hobby and most of the world just cannot afford it. Hobbies are always a luxury when we have spare change. No one is entitled either to it. Yes I’m very familiar with how much these games cost to make. Fans don’t appreciate or understand how much it costs to run these studios. Developers and engineers need good compensation to keep talent as there are other industries that want talent too. It’s all a cycle. Lastly, most people only play a few games at a time anyways. So not sure why the cost for one game is such a sticking point. Modern games provide so much entertainment value!

@Sulleymonster my thoughts exactly. The developers probably liked how the game played upon release. They release their game and the core audience didn’t like some things. They adjusted and listened to their fans. At least they are humble enough about it.

@twitchtvpat my points exactly. Modern gamers expect consoles and games to cost nothing. Or better yet be free while offering so much! Personally I think games should cost more! As developers require increased compensation just like you and I.

Consoles are still cheap and gaming remains a good value. People pay more for phones and other vanity goods which they don’t hang on to. I’ve said it before on this site. It costs money to get production allocations in China or Taiwan. The only two countries which have the production capacity for semiconductors. Worldwide demand for consumer electronics has also gone up. So those two countries get to set the tone for pricing. Until manufacturing gets cheaper by other places getting serious capacity this will be the norm for chip production. At the end of the day, gaming is a vanity hobby. Hobbies aren’t cheap and it costs money. I want Sony to continue to be in the business and have money to innovate. Things like PSSR cost money for their teams to develop. Nothing is free.

@carlos82 gaming has still remained cheap over the past several decades. People make more than they did three decades ago and inflation has gone up too. Yet consoles have remained rather steady. For the value these machines provide and for how long they are expected to last, console manufacturers do such a good job.

Game is good. My favorite RPG last generation the Witcher 3 didn’t run the best on the base consoles but the experience was still phenomenal. Generation pushing RPGs should be given more grace! As each generation the engineers and designers push the envelope and move the needle. Especially compared to other safe genres.

@MidlifeCrisis this is why I don’t place any weight on reviews. As there are games that are praised on this site like the Sony Astrobot game. For me that type of game is beneath consideration. Reviews and scores take away from the various game genres. I wish people would just play what games interest them if they deem them playable. Let us return to enjoying the art form of gaming. There is something for nearly everyone at this point.

AI is nothing new. People have been using specialized software for a while now. I don’t see the problem with using AI for a fake fantasy game. How about people be mad about how the lack of privacy laws got companies like google rich and now they aim to keep their leverage.
And what do people expect? It’s a massive game. I expect more studios to use procedural generation (AI) to take care of mundane things in a game world. People already complain about the cost of new games. So studios are leveraging many tools. I still wish them success.

Congratulations to the team! Glad to hear that they sold this much and said it clearly. Not some bragging about subscription player count. This is a big feat for an RPG game like this.

@Futureshark nah! I hope it remains full priced as it’s an RPG. Besides the more money the studios make brand new per unit, the more time and backing they have for new projects. I don’t understand this wanting a title so soon to be nearly free in this day and age. Then tomorrow people will outcry when people lose their job in this industry.

@Aleksei yea man I don’t understand the outrage for this game. The YouTube title is so misleading. I think it looks good like a current generation game. Definitely not possible for last generation.

I think the game looks good for the PS5! Especially considering how old the PS SOC is! The team will only improve. At least it’s playable at launch just like the Witcher 3 was last generation. And that game wasn’t smooth for last generations base consoles.

@Alps_Stranger I disagree mate. Ambitious games tend to struggle for current generation hardware every time they are released. Like this for every generation. Last generation it was the Witcher 3. I loved the game so much and thought it was playable on my Xbox one. I didn’t care at all what others said. Now people are obsessed with critic outlets like FPS foundry and cannot appreciate the art that studios put out. Then there is modern gamers not wanting to pay a high price for strong hardware to last a generation. Sony learned its lesson with the bespoke expensive for the time cell engine. I think people are really overreacting for this particular title.

If people make their choices based on what normies say in life, one will miss out on many experiences. People need to stop putting so much weight on these reviews from any journalist and stop idolizing publications opinions. The reviews being over 50% means the game isn’t horrible. Back in my favorite generation which was the PS3/X360 most games would get roasted by the modern crowd. Yet there was so much variety for every gamer. Now this marvel 0 or 100 mindset has polarized the industry. I’m still excited for this current generation game. As the world is more full unlike last generations Witcher 3 which set the tone for that generation. It’s also hard to beat books which are based upon centuries old mythology. Anyways the scores are fine and never tell the full story.

@DennisReynolds anything over 50% means something is liked or good! People need to get over this utopian mindset that everything needs to be 100% liked. This isn’t grade school.

@Oram77 ideally it would have native support! For those of us that still have our discs this is really desired. Native PS2 support would be ideal also.

@Othatguy that’s fair. Personally it’s worth it for me. As the anticipated game for me has been crimson dessert and I like what the pro can do for it. I’m glad the pro had success as it’s the test bed for the PS6. Also I really think that the PS6 will be cross generation for the first few years. So the pro will hold me over. Until they start making PS6 games only largely I will wait to cross over to next generation. For everyone’s sake, I hope that I’m working and that PS6 becomes current generation only very early into its generation.

@SeanOhOgain people shouldn’t put frames per second digital foundry on such a pedestal. Let them focus on being critics of others coding and game engines. They are good at talking about the tech and presenting how OTHERs works perform.

Unfortunate that companies are going this way. Those of us that want real physical understand that there will be continuous patches. Just give us the full game version for whenever the disc was written to. I hate the internet of everything mindset.

@ButterySmooth30FPS that’s not the point. I can plug up my OG Big boy 60gb PS3 to play with younger people in my family. No internet needed. The gross to me being beholden to the internet to get games that I paid for physically.

Sony is in a strong position with the PS5. Why are we so worried about the PS6?! It will come. And it seems like the last 1.5 years we just got current generation only games. I would have a different tune if this generation wasn’t cross generation mostly. The only thing Sony has to fear is if the next Xbox is priced like a PS5 PRO very powerful than their planned SOC, MS goes back to exclusives plus PC library, and sales take off among consumers. But that would require a unified consistent long term MS strategy. Even so MS has a huge uphill battle to climb outside of the Anglosphere. As PS is more of a worldly brand.

I’m glad they released the console specs. We still want to see how it looks with the same action scenes as the PC version. I.e. will the same density of enemies be present in castle battles for example that they have shown. And now downgraded the graphics are to keep the listed specs. People are just curious including myself.

@JDINCINERATOR nah he’s a warrior and is better suited to marry a lady!

The next Xbox will be a PC so it has to be very powerful. PC development isn’t made for a specific setup. By MS not having some exclusives that cater to their custom PC they won’t show it off properly. Developers will optimize for the two consoles and do a PC build. In which it will be up to the end user for how they want their Xbox game to run. I hope MS has other things up their sleeve for the console experience. I’ll stay positive as I like competition.

Silly. Why would they need to break their PS6 silence? Sony is in a good position with the PS5. This generation has been mismanaged for them built upon the grace of the PS4. They are lucky that MS has mismanaged Xbox for the past decade. Let Sony focus on the PS5 experience and giving us cool games. As just now we are getting good current generation only content.

I’m sure it will easily push 120 FPS at 4K since it will be a gross generation affair well into its lifespan. We can expect to see the last of us remastered again and other PS4 games. Bespoke PS6 games which are ambitions won’t be able to run that easy unless designers go for simple graphics. Technically PS5 can do 120 FPS at 4K if even 8K. But designers won’t be able to make the most robust game that people would feel is current generation. I’d rather developers use more power to create more in depth game worlds. The pixel count doesn’t make the game for me.

@AverageGamer yes I’m tracking that MS owns the halo IP. I’m being serious I had no idea that destiny is that popular! My friends and I grew up playing halo, none of us latched onto to destiny. Anyways, Sony needs some wins with FPS games. So they must knock it out the park with destiny 3. Should have let bungie do something with Killzone instead of marathon!

Oh wow! I didn’t realize Sony paid 3 billion for Bungie?! They don’t even own the Halo IP lol. I doubt marathon will be able to make the money that they seek in the time span bean counters will be satisfied with. These live service games are such a gamble. Are style would have been better used for their own “cyberpunk” style game IMHO.

I’m really looking forward to this game. I agree with others that it’s odd to not have footage this late till release. Also deceiving with the PC version to have the PS controller layout buttons shown on screen. I’ll be optimistic that this game will be playable at launch.

@1970sGamer it’s partly why I bought a pro. As I have a strong feeling that PS6 will be cross generation for its first several years. Us PS5 pro owners will not miss much I suspect. Just like the first four years of PS5. Of course I hope that i will be completely wrong and that Sony has many good things in store for the PS6.