Before people praise the price they need to remember that Take Two Interactive has Rockstar as one of their subsidiaries. So they can afford to have this "low" price. Its likely that this game will be shorter and since its not open world, less going on from a development standpoint.
@Rich33 people are really stressing over these price increases. If we look at the past 2.5 decades, console games haven't really gone up much in price compared to the value provided. More polygons, better voice acting, bigger games, etc. These things cost time and money.
The price will go up next generation just like everyone else and just like every other vanity good (unnecessary) in life. Games really haven't gone up much in price over the past 2.5 decades. People just need to prioritize what games they buy. And if people supported physical media then one could get a used game later if the budget cannot add more vanity goods.
@thefourfoldroot1 a business gets to set the price for their goods. Doesn't matter if its considered "old." Besides many PS gamers are enjoying it. Forza horizons are worth the money.
Team Xbox isn't going to help out SE much with their ambitious sells targets for final fantasy games. As the Xbox base is accustomed to paying their "high" subsidized gamepass fees. I say high as reading what people say about the price one would think its 200$ a month. Even so a new game costs 70 dollars digitally and subsidized gamepass would still be a good deal.
@LifeGirl exclusivity isn't over for consoles. Sony and Nintendo have a lot of convincing to do to get folks to buy into their ecosystem. Exclusive features and software is the way. Same for any brand in any industry. As it stands now both Sony and Nintendo aren't huge publishers nor show any signs of becoming one. Also both cannot afford to outright do large acquisitions like MS. So both firms want people on their ecosystems only if possible.
What needs to happen is that game studios reduce the cost of game development and leverage automation tools (AI) to assist with mundane game development tasks. SE is going to be disappointed because team Xbox has never really been into these types of JRPGs and these days the base doesn't really purchase games. SE as an entity just needs to be more lean and efficient. Lastly PC and consoles are two different bases. PlayStation games going to the PC crowd doesn't cannibalize PS sells. As plenty of casual gamers know PS and buy into the platform.
@ApostateMage yea exactly. RDR2 looked like the trailers for the most part and the 30fps was playable on the consoles it was designed for. GTA 6 has been developed fully for this current generation of consoles and they have had a lot of time. So I’m confident it will look nearly similar to the trailers just like RDR2. This generation people are so used to cross generation PS4 Xbox one games holding things back thinking it’s the series s. With time to learn the hardware talented developers can create great art.
Looks like Sony did get some marketing rights. As at the end of the trailer it did say captured on the PS5. MS better leverage that the Series S is the cheapest way to play this game!
I tried to get into the first one but just could not. But like all RPGs there is a lot to do and a gamer definitely gets their moneys worth. Especially compared to other games that cost the same amount of money. I TRULY have no problem with RPGs costing more than other games as they provide a lot of entertainment value and multiple play throughs. What’s funny to me is that people are paying that much for a digital access right. When the physical game still costs the same and Sony still puts its base games on discs.
@OldGamer999 it’s really that companies have expenses just like every other for profit company. The people that they employ need compensation and benefits. The company has energy and rent or a mortgage to pay as. Couple that with increased demand for developing these games which have more polygons, more content, better voice acting etc…. I could really go on. Then people are sad when companies let go of people for various reasons. The price of games is really still so low and only recently have the prices gone “up” over the past two decades. Meanwhile everything else in the world has gone up. Especially needs and gaming is just vanity at the end of the day.
Of course of the CEO is happy that the Xbox subsidiary is doing well on PS. As PS owners mostly buy games still. And subsidized gamepass isn’t free. The CEO would be even more pleased if subsidized gamepass went away and Xbox owners had to mostly buy games again even if it’s just digital “licenses.” One can argue if MS did that they would lose the Xbox fan base. Which is possible. But multiplat publishers only care about making money everywhere.
@PlatinumMikey I hope that MS will come up with something that latches on or resonates with many people. As competition is good. I hope that their handheld and next Xbox plans work out very well.
@PlatinumMikey yup! If Xbox was more competitive and sells were like PS since the Xbox one, then subsidized gamepass would look different. Then this generation the series consoles would likely be poised to win. Unfortunately Xbox has suffered still from that Xbox one initial reveal. Then they got beat up the entire generation about how weak the console is by outlets like frames per second foundry. Then this generation MS launches a more powerful console and an affordable place to play next generation. Only to still be rejected with power not mattering now, and the series s holding us back statements. Meanwhile PS4 was hiding in plane site. None of this helped the perception of the Xbox brand to the average consumer.
It’s going to be an interesting case study in the future. As MS has a history of revealing concepts or products well before people are ready. I.e. tablets and what the Xbox one wanted to do based on consumer media trends.
Subsidized subscriptions aren’t the future for gaming. It’s easy to see why they have become stagnant. Getting access to all candy in the store for one little fee is cool at first. Then after some time it’s not special anymore. And having rushed to try all of the candy, one will beg for something new. Putting pressure on the candy makers to offer such quality choices that will be edible. Gaming, tv subscriptions, and movies are the same. One can argue that the best games are from previous generations and that previous generations put out more content. Compared to this current generations messed up output schedule due to the cough era and companies using data sets in front of them. Cough cough Sony with their live service fantasizes.
And I don’t believe that new IPs or new titles should be on a service immediately as the developer needs to make money or loose money for a poorly received product. Subsidizing gaming isn’t the way to go.
No surprise here. Inflation impacts all industries and the gaming industry is not immune. Remember these entities need to pay for employees whom are just like you and I. Also research and development for the next generation is factored in too. Then there is the fact that China and Taiwan make nearly all of the semiconductors for the world. So production is competitive and those two countries can set the terms. Its why the switch 2 is priced higher despite it not being a "powerhouse" like many outcry about. The days of being able to reduce the costs of console hardware are gone. Especially as the cost of making the software has gone up and being outcrying about that. So it is a delicate balance that these companies have to take. Especially Sony and Nintendo whom aren't backed up by windows which is like a reserve currency for the Xbox subsidiary. At the end of the day, Gaming is a vanity hobby and is still relatively cheap for what we are all getting for entertainment.
Well that’s so unfortunate! I reject the idea that my physical game disc doesn’t have the base game on it, therefore not playable in the future without internet. This isn’t the way for console gaming if there is to be physical media. MS is just being cheap with their blu-rays, not wanting to pay for the latest version, and wanting to control the narrative. I understand that products are rushed out the door. But if I cannot play the base game from a physical disc. That is a huge problem for me for preservation.
@OldGamer999 you miss the point mate and are thinking for today. Which is what these entitles want for the internet of everything. Just because everyone does something doesn’t mean it’s right. As most people aren’t Shepards whom can see the bigger picture. The precedent has been to put full games on a disc with whatever patch version is available at the time when a game is written to a disc at the factory. Sure games get updates no one is disputing that is the trend because the art form is continuously perfected. By not having the full base game on a disc that limits those of us in the future whom actually hold onto our physical media. It’s not acceptable for me to have a physical disc in which I need to connect my obsolete console to the internet just to “quickly” play again. The beauty of previous generations is that I’m able to play anything with my young nephews on demand if they want to hook up an older console. Which I don’t keep my older consoles on the net. I don’t accept these trends for console gaming. But hey I’ll let everyone else enjoy the internet of everything world.
@Northern_munkey most companies still put the full game on the disc. Whatever patch version that is. MS just doesn’t want to pay for newer Blu-ray Discs to put to full game onto a disc. Also they want everyone to be tied to them. As this is the internet of everything way. Entities want people always tied to them.
@The_Decline_99 the characters for 4 and 5 are weak sauce. The blokes in the originals trilogy are good IMO. The story felt more real. The gears trilogy is similar to the mass effect trilogy. Then there was mass effect andromeda. Clearly a different ethos.
Sizes won’t be smaller the further games and assets grow with more polygons. It’s a delicate balance to get the consoles to do what they do for a very reasonable price. People just need to learn patience and install what they desire to presently play. Not a big deal. If it is just to buy more storage options which are available. Besides this game appears to be quality based off of the Xbox release.
The PS3 was worth the high cost. It was a truly impressive state of the art machine at the time. With a more bespoke SOK. Also worth noting some PS3s launched with PS2 hardware onboard it. Sony was betting on a lot of technologies at the time. Blu-ray and let us not forgot all of the physical storage cards it could receive. Contrast this to the very cheap PS4 and its less impressive SOC. PS5 is cheaply designs too. Sony learned its lesson that console gamers want a lot but the price has to be very low regardless of inflation numbers. So we get cheap PlayStations hence forth.
People can always buy a switch 1 which will likely still be on sell till December. No one is forcing anyone to participate in any hobby spending their spare money or going into debt. Nintendo will be fine. I think the switch 2 price is align with inflation as are the cost of new games. People that work in the gaming industry demand good compensation and benefits too. Just like the very people whom work in other industries and want stuff.
@Ogbert best comment. I have been telling people this. At the end of the day gaming is a luxury hobby. Gaming studios have expenses too. People get sad when studios get shut down or gaming industry employees get axed. Well folks people need to buy the products to pay for wages, benefits, company expenses, and new products. Gaming is still a cheap form of entertainment at the end of the day.
@MrPeanutbutterz Gaming is one of the cheaper hobbies anyone can do. Which is why I defend every few years when developers ask for more coin for their products. I’m in agreement with you. Like you I have spent and still do buy CDs and physical movies. The price of a new 4K UHD sometimes is like 30-40 USD. Only giving me maybe 2 hours of entertainment and perhaps I’ll never visit that movie for a while. Contrast that to the average video game.
Anyways, My point was really for the family man whom has other more important expenses. As overall in the world gaming is still a luxury.
@MrPeanutbutterz I’ve done coding before and am not taking away from any software developer. I’m just saying that not every game is created equal nor provides the same amount of hours for new content.
@RagnarLothbrok gaming has always been an expensive hobby. I remember growing up my dad didn’t buy my siblings every title we wanted. Just a selection of games he wanted and some for us. It wasn’t only till I started working in my teens in which I got to buy more games whether new or used. So people need to realize that gaming as a hobby does have a cost. Just like anything else that is vanity at the end of the day. I think switch 2 will be successful initially with hardcore fans. You know the folks whom will buy a new console at launch regardless of what is presented. Now after that we shall see if people can be convinced to get a switch 2. Nintendo has an uphill battle to climb.
Video games have slowly risen in cost the past few decades. Contrast this to the increased entertainment value that they provide. Gaming studios have increased expenses like normal people like you and I. In the grand scheme these are still modest increases for the value that consumers get. We have always had to choose how carefully we spend our spare money on hobbies so folks will just have to choose more wisely.
Lastly I don’t believe that video games need to all follow a similar price structure. I always found it funny that a simple 1v1 fighting game costs as much as a game like Skyrim new. I say let studios set their own MSRP for individual software.
@get2sammyb it will be a hard sell to those whom already own a switch for sure. New console launches generally are for the enthusiasts of said whom must have the new hardware. As for the ports, it’s no different than the PS5 launch and counting. Nintendo’s challenge will be how quickly to bring new exclusive content and experiences to the switch 2.
Price is fine and what I expected. The cost of new consoles really hasn’t skyrocketed in the past few decades despite inflation increasing costs across all industries. Plus components for SOCs are made almost exclusively in two countries. So it costs money to keep or open a new line. Despite the increased costs, it will sell well. As there are many Nintendo fans. Gaming is a hobby at the end of the day let’s not forget. With each new generation more value is provided to consumers. So it’s fair IMHO to ask for more coin. Consumers will dictate what pricing people will accept. I’m curious now what MS has in store for its handheld.
@Wilshiire I’m a huge Killzone fan. Well 1-3 that is. I think someone else should do something with the IP. As the blokes and ethos of old studio is mostly gone. And the present studio would make a soft, overly clean Killzone story, and less masculine entry. I’m willing to pay full price for a physical remastered PS5 set. Some people want bloodborne. I want KZ.
Sony will likely make a deal to get these games blocked. But it will be a difficult argument. As if the Xbox is just a branded PC, then they will have a hard time in court if it came down to it. As if a dude purchased a legal digital access right on steam then they should be able to play it on any medium that supports steam. Sony will have made their money from that guy. If the next xbox is as powerful as MS says then this could be very interesting next generation! Hopefully Sony isn’t making a weak sauce SOC for the PS6.
@nomither6 why would they share their IP with Microsoft? MS has only done so because they are all in on subsidized gamepass and while MS is rich due to windows, their executives want to see more money from the Xbox brand. So they sell their games to other platforms even if before the acquisitions their studios would have done that already. Sony and Nintendo need to keep a tight grip on their IPs. MS has done what they have done due to Xbox not selling well since Xbox one compared to the x360 which was on par with PS3. It would be a different story if MS was on top and Sony couldn’t move hardware. So MS has changed their approach drastically.
@Boxmonkey yes which is why I have not been a fan of the subscription services for gaming. As I could see the writing on the wall for the future. Sure these services are good for an already existing backlog of old games. Just look at Netflix at first and its success. Then once other IP owners removed their content or made it more costly, Netflix had to go into debt to make more shows to justify people keeping their cheap subscription. It’s harder for game companies to put out many games especially since there is what I call a marvel effect in which every suit type wants to only create big budget games with hopes of striking gold.
Yes the steam numbers are very misleading. Especially for games which have a bigger base on consoles historically speaking.
Subscription models make it very hard for gaming companies to make new content. Especially those outside of the Windows corporate umbrella.
In my opinion it’s basically fraud if a single player game that is launched physically requires an internet connection. One should be able to play their game without an internet connection day 1 for whatever version of the game was written to the disc. As one will always be able to play that in the future whenever one decides to hook up said console.
Sounds like they want to control the narrative about this game so they can at least make as much money as possible. Since they know how polarizing it has been due to the choices they consciously made with this title. They really want to reverse their precipitous fall as of late. So much is riding on this title.
With that said I wasn’t even tracking that people waste their time doing digital threats to developers in the video game industry. Very silly. At the end of the day it’s just entertainment and people should vote with their wallet as the strongest form of protest against any company.
@KillerBoy yea exactly mate. From what I’ve seen from the sidelines, modern developers in this realm just don’t like the critique of their artwork if fans don’t agree with it. It’s all funny to me because I remember as a young lad growing up with the mindset that words can never hurt me but sticks and stones can. Cyber bullying is so silly to endure because all one needs to do is block or unfollow. It’s that simple. People’s negatively online shouldn’t impact an individual. With that said I don’t know the laws across each western country but serious threats in person or online can be prosecuted.
@johncalmc people expect everything to be free and cheap. All while the gaming industry suffers from inflation like everything else. Then people get sad when studios close. Video games are such a cheap form of entertainment compared to the hours of value they provide.
No it’s not high at all. It’s a “new” game for the PS base. Besides Forza horizons are full games. If the price is too high then one can always get subsidized gamepass to play Microsoft games. The price is competitive with every other digital release on PS.
@naruball most gamers don’t care what outlets like frames per second foundry has to say about performance. The casual gamer just wants entertainment to their liking.
@OldGamer999 no we don’t have to get over it. There will always be people like me that pay a premium for physical media. I buy 4K UHDs, CD, and albums still. I’ll pay a premium for whatever physical game release going forward. As I’m not going to be beholden to servers for my single player console games.
@Rich33 I expect cross generation is here to stay. I don’t have any delusions about this. Especially since they went to the cheaper SOC designs. As we have seen this generation IMHO they let it go too far into the generation. We are nearly at the halfway point of the console generation. Obviously the cough era and the suits wanting live service messed things up.
My problem with cross generation stems from the fact that developers will be limiting their visions for games. Sure at a consoles launch that cross generation is fine but I’d like to see first party be the justification for one getting the new hardware.
Yes the PS6 will be more expensive on the surface. The reality is that gaming hasn’t kept up with inflation and the gaming industry like all other industries has bills to pay. I’ll get roasted for this but personally I’d like to see a very expensive PS6 to build that is a powerhouse at launch that has a very strong CPU.
@ChrisDeku not a ridiculous comment from the standpoint if one was on the fence about buying a PS5. Up until very recently in this generation, I could not sell anyone on personally on getting at PS5 despite me owning one if they have a PS4.
@MrPeanutbutterz yes Sony had plenty of PS4 ports to ps5 I’m not denying that. And yes it’s a fact that Microsoft acquired so many studios to get to where they are. But at this point we just have to accept that. I’m tracking Sonys push for live service games which they wanted to be the future during the cough era when the decisions were made.
MS closing those studios was MS just doing their usual corporate thing. No reason for them to shutter a game studio that made profit.
And it’s true Sony is a hardware company at its core. From TVs, walkmans, stereo equipment, and speakers. The PlayStation is hardware. And Sony won’t be liberal with its IPs like MS since they need people to buy into their system. Consoles do sell at a launch at first. But the PS4 and PS5 lowered the usual margin. As the SOCs were cheaper as well as the overall design.
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Re: Mafia: The Old Country Looks Glorious in Gameplay Trailer, PS5 Release Date Confirmed
@Cerny yup that is because the PS4 is no longer holding the current generation back. Its really nice to see current generation games only!
Re: Mafia: The Old Country Looks Glorious in Gameplay Trailer, PS5 Release Date Confirmed
Before people praise the price they need to remember that Take Two Interactive has Rockstar as one of their subsidiaries. So they can afford to have this "low" price. Its likely that this game will be shorter and since its not open world, less going on from a development standpoint.
Re: Good Guy EA Resists Temptation to Raise PS5 Game Prices to $80
@Rich33 people are really stressing over these price increases. If we look at the past 2.5 decades, console games haven't really gone up much in price compared to the value provided. More polygons, better voice acting, bigger games, etc. These things cost time and money.
Re: Good Guy EA Resists Temptation to Raise PS5 Game Prices to $80
The price will go up next generation just like everyone else and just like every other vanity good (unnecessary) in life. Games really haven't gone up much in price over the past 2.5 decades. People just need to prioritize what games they buy. And if people supported physical media then one could get a used game later if the budget cannot add more vanity goods.
Re: Xbox's Forza Horizon 5 Is Selling Extraordinarily Well on PS5, Surpasses 1.2 Million Copies Since Launch
@thefourfoldroot1 a business gets to set the price for their goods. Doesn't matter if its considered "old." Besides many PS gamers are enjoying it. Forza horizons are worth the money.
Re: Xbox's Forza Horizon 5 Is Selling Extraordinarily Well on PS5, Surpasses 1.2 Million Copies Since Launch
@thefourfoldroot1 it’s already a reasonable price mate. It’s a full game! Just buy a physical Xbox copy if you want it for cheap.
Re: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy 7 Remake's Future May Not Be PS5 Exclusive
Team Xbox isn't going to help out SE much with their ambitious sells targets for final fantasy games. As the Xbox base is accustomed to paying their "high" subsidized gamepass fees. I say high as reading what people say about the price one would think its 200$ a month. Even so a new game costs 70 dollars digitally and subsidized gamepass would still be a good deal.
Re: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy 7 Remake's Future May Not Be PS5 Exclusive
@LifeGirl exclusivity isn't over for consoles. Sony and Nintendo have a lot of convincing to do to get folks to buy into their ecosystem. Exclusive features and software is the way. Same for any brand in any industry. As it stands now both Sony and Nintendo aren't huge publishers nor show any signs of becoming one. Also both cannot afford to outright do large acquisitions like MS. So both firms want people on their ecosystems only if possible.
What needs to happen is that game studios reduce the cost of game development and leverage automation tools (AI) to assist with mundane game development tasks. SE is going to be disappointed because team Xbox has never really been into these types of JRPGs and these days the base doesn't really purchase games. SE as an entity just needs to be more lean and efficient. Lastly PC and consoles are two different bases. PlayStation games going to the PC crowd doesn't cannibalize PS sells. As plenty of casual gamers know PS and buy into the platform.
Re: GTA 6 Trailer 2 Attracts Over 45 Million Views in 12 Hours
@ApostateMage yea exactly. RDR2 looked like the trailers for the most part and the 30fps was playable on the consoles it was designed for. GTA 6 has been developed fully for this current generation of consoles and they have had a lot of time. So I’m confident it will look nearly similar to the trailers just like RDR2. This generation people are so used to cross generation PS4 Xbox one games holding things back thinking it’s the series s. With time to learn the hardware talented developers can create great art.
Re: GTA 6 Trailer 2 Is Finally Here, PS5 Graphics Are Jaw-Dropping
Looks like Sony did get some marketing rights. As at the end of the trailer it did say captured on the PS5. MS better leverage that the Series S is the cheapest way to play this game!
Re: Ghost of Yotei PS5 Pre-Orders Show Players Are Willing to Pay $80, Even When They Don't Have To
I tried to get into the first one but just could not. But like all RPGs there is a lot to do and a gamer definitely gets their moneys worth. Especially compared to other games that cost the same amount of money. I TRULY have no problem with RPGs costing more than other games as they provide a lot of entertainment value and multiple play throughs. What’s funny to me is that people are paying that much for a digital access right. When the physical game still costs the same and Sony still puts its base games on discs.
Re: Ghost of Yotei PS5 Pre-Orders Show Players Are Willing to Pay $80, Even When They Don't Have To
@OldGamer999 it’s really that companies have expenses just like every other for profit company. The people that they employ need compensation and benefits. The company has energy and rent or a mortgage to pay as. Couple that with increased demand for developing these games which have more polygons, more content, better voice acting etc…. I could really go on. Then people are sad when companies let go of people for various reasons. The price of games is really still so low and only recently have the prices gone “up” over the past two decades. Meanwhile everything else in the world has gone up. Especially needs and gaming is just vanity at the end of the day.
Re: Gears of War: Reloaded Remasters the Original Game This August, Confirmed for PS5
This is what a third party publisher looks like! PS gamers will surely buy it which helps support subsidized gamepass.
For those whom haven't played the original gears trilogy, they are great. Just pretend 4 and 5 don't exist.
Guess that means the Gears origin game will also be coming to PS once it comes out in the future.
Re: Xbox's Multiformat Move to PS5 Seems to Be Working Out Very Well for Microsoft
Of course of the CEO is happy that the Xbox subsidiary is doing well on PS. As PS owners mostly buy games still. And subsidized gamepass isn’t free. The CEO would be even more pleased if subsidized gamepass went away and Xbox owners had to mostly buy games again even if it’s just digital “licenses.” One can argue if MS did that they would lose the Xbox fan base. Which is possible. But multiplat publishers only care about making money everywhere.
Re: PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass Are Not the Future of Gaming, Says US Analyst
@PlatinumMikey I hope that MS will come up with something that latches on or resonates with many people. As competition is good. I hope that their handheld and next Xbox plans work out very well.
Re: PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass Are Not the Future of Gaming, Says US Analyst
@PlatinumMikey yup! If Xbox was more competitive and sells were like PS since the Xbox one, then subsidized gamepass would look different. Then this generation the series consoles would likely be poised to win. Unfortunately Xbox has suffered still from that Xbox one initial reveal. Then they got beat up the entire generation about how weak the console is by outlets like frames per second foundry. Then this generation MS launches a more powerful console and an affordable place to play next generation. Only to still be rejected with power not mattering now, and the series s holding us back statements. Meanwhile PS4 was hiding in plane site. None of this helped the perception of the Xbox brand to the average consumer.
It’s going to be an interesting case study in the future. As MS has a history of revealing concepts or products well before people are ready. I.e. tablets and what the Xbox one wanted to do based on consumer media trends.
Re: PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass Are Not the Future of Gaming, Says US Analyst
Subsidized subscriptions aren’t the future for gaming. It’s easy to see why they have become stagnant. Getting access to all candy in the store for one little fee is cool at first. Then after some time it’s not special anymore. And having rushed to try all of the candy, one will beg for something new. Putting pressure on the candy makers to offer such quality choices that will be edible. Gaming, tv subscriptions, and movies are the same. One can argue that the best games are from previous generations and that previous generations put out more content. Compared to this current generations messed up output schedule due to the cough era and companies using data sets in front of them. Cough cough Sony with their live service fantasizes.
And I don’t believe that new IPs or new titles should be on a service immediately as the developer needs to make money or loose money for a poorly received product. Subsidizing gaming isn’t the way to go.
Re: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Already Surpassed 500,000 Sales Despite Oblivion Launch
See when a company has success, they are happy to post copies sold as that is a real metric that is used to gauge success. Good for them.
Re: PS5 Price Increases Announced by Sony, Immediately Affects UK, Europe, and More
No surprise here. Inflation impacts all industries and the gaming industry is not immune. Remember these entities need to pay for employees whom are just like you and I. Also research and development for the next generation is factored in too. Then there is the fact that China and Taiwan make nearly all of the semiconductors for the world. So production is competitive and those two countries can set the terms. Its why the switch 2 is priced higher despite it not being a "powerhouse" like many outcry about. The days of being able to reduce the costs of console hardware are gone. Especially as the cost of making the software has gone up and being outcrying about that. So it is a delicate balance that these companies have to take. Especially Sony and Nintendo whom aren't backed up by windows which is like a reserve currency for the Xbox subsidiary. At the end of the day, Gaming is a vanity hobby and is still relatively cheap for what we are all getting for entertainment.
Re: Microsoft Short Changes Indiana Jones PS5 by Only Putting 20GB on the Blu-ray
Well that’s so unfortunate! I reject the idea that my physical game disc doesn’t have the base game on it, therefore not playable in the future without internet. This isn’t the way for console gaming if there is to be physical media. MS is just being cheap with their blu-rays, not wanting to pay for the latest version, and wanting to control the narrative. I understand that products are rushed out the door. But if I cannot play the base game from a physical disc. That is a huge problem for me for preservation.
Re: Microsoft Short Changes Indiana Jones PS5 by Only Putting 20GB on the Blu-ray
@OldGamer999 you miss the point mate and are thinking for today. Which is what these entitles want for the internet of everything. Just because everyone does something doesn’t mean it’s right. As most people aren’t Shepards whom can see the bigger picture. The precedent has been to put full games on a disc with whatever patch version is available at the time when a game is written to a disc at the factory. Sure games get updates no one is disputing that is the trend because the art form is continuously perfected. By not having the full base game on a disc that limits those of us in the future whom actually hold onto our physical media. It’s not acceptable for me to have a physical disc in which I need to connect my obsolete console to the internet just to “quickly” play again. The beauty of previous generations is that I’m able to play anything with my young nephews on demand if they want to hook up an older console. Which I don’t keep my older consoles on the net. I don’t accept these trends for console gaming. But hey I’ll let everyone else enjoy the internet of everything world.
Re: Microsoft Short Changes Indiana Jones PS5 by Only Putting 20GB on the Blu-ray
@Northern_munkey most companies still put the full game on the disc. Whatever patch version that is. MS just doesn’t want to pay for newer Blu-ray Discs to put to full game onto a disc. Also they want everyone to be tied to them. As this is the internet of everything way. Entities want people always tied to them.
Re: Rumour: Gears of War Could Finally Be Revealed for PS5 at the Xbox Showcase
@The_Decline_99 the characters for 4 and 5 are weak sauce. The blokes in the originals trilogy are good IMO. The story felt more real. The gears trilogy is similar to the mass effect trilogy. Then there was mass effect andromeda. Clearly a different ethos.
Re: Indiana Jones and the Great Circle Download Size Is Still Massive on PS5
Sizes won’t be smaller the further games and assets grow with more polygons. It’s a delicate balance to get the consoles to do what they do for a very reasonable price. People just need to learn patience and install what they desire to presently play. Not a big deal. If it is just to buy more storage options which are available. Besides this game appears to be quality based off of the Xbox release.
Re: Nintendo Is Displaying Hubris Which Would Make Even PS3 Era Sony Blush
The PS3 was worth the high cost. It was a truly impressive state of the art machine at the time. With a more bespoke SOK. Also worth noting some PS3s launched with PS2 hardware onboard it. Sony was betting on a lot of technologies at the time. Blu-ray and let us not forgot all of the physical storage cards it could receive. Contrast this to the very cheap PS4 and its less impressive SOC. PS5 is cheaply designs too. Sony learned its lesson that console gamers want a lot but the price has to be very low regardless of inflation numbers. So we get cheap PlayStations hence forth.
People can always buy a switch 1 which will likely still be on sell till December. No one is forcing anyone to participate in any hobby spending their spare money or going into debt. Nintendo will be fine. I think the switch 2 price is align with inflation as are the cost of new games. People that work in the gaming industry demand good compensation and benefits too. Just like the very people whom work in other industries and want stuff.
Re: Almost All PS5 Fans Are Against $80 Games
@Ogbert best comment. I have been telling people this. At the end of the day gaming is a luxury hobby. Gaming studios have expenses too. People get sad when studios get shut down or gaming industry employees get axed. Well folks people need to buy the products to pay for wages, benefits, company expenses, and new products. Gaming is still a cheap form of entertainment at the end of the day.
Re: Nintendo Is Raising the Price of Games with Switch 2
@MrPeanutbutterz Gaming is one of the cheaper hobbies anyone can do. Which is why I defend every few years when developers ask for more coin for their products. I’m in agreement with you. Like you I have spent and still do buy CDs and physical movies. The price of a new 4K UHD sometimes is like 30-40 USD. Only giving me maybe 2 hours of entertainment and perhaps I’ll never visit that movie for a while. Contrast that to the average video game.
Anyways, My point was really for the family man whom has other more important expenses. As overall in the world gaming is still a luxury.
Re: Nintendo Is Raising the Price of Games with Switch 2
@MrPeanutbutterz I’ve done coding before and am not taking away from any software developer. I’m just saying that not every game is created equal nor provides the same amount of hours for new content.
Re: Nintendo Is Raising the Price of Games with Switch 2
@RagnarLothbrok gaming has always been an expensive hobby. I remember growing up my dad didn’t buy my siblings every title we wanted. Just a selection of games he wanted and some for us. It wasn’t only till I started working in my teens in which I got to buy more games whether new or used. So people need to realize that gaming as a hobby does have a cost. Just like anything else that is vanity at the end of the day. I think switch 2 will be successful initially with hardcore fans. You know the folks whom will buy a new console at launch regardless of what is presented. Now after that we shall see if people can be convinced to get a switch 2. Nintendo has an uphill battle to climb.
Re: Nintendo Is Raising the Price of Games with Switch 2
Video games have slowly risen in cost the past few decades. Contrast this to the increased entertainment value that they provide. Gaming studios have increased expenses like normal people like you and I. In the grand scheme these are still modest increases for the value that consumers get. We have always had to choose how carefully we spend our spare money on hobbies so folks will just have to choose more wisely.
Lastly I don’t believe that video games need to all follow a similar price structure. I always found it funny that a simple 1v1 fighting game costs as much as a game like Skyrim new. I say let studios set their own MSRP for individual software.
Re: Poll: PS5 Fans, Are You Sold on the Nintendo Switch 2?
@get2sammyb it will be a hard sell to those whom already own a switch for sure. New console launches generally are for the enthusiasts of said whom must have the new hardware. As for the ports, it’s no different than the PS5 launch and counting. Nintendo’s challenge will be how quickly to bring new exclusive content and experiences to the switch 2.
Re: Poll: PS5 Fans, Are You Sold on the Nintendo Switch 2?
Price is fine and what I expected. The cost of new consoles really hasn’t skyrocketed in the past few decades despite inflation increasing costs across all industries. Plus components for SOCs are made almost exclusively in two countries. So it costs money to keep or open a new line. Despite the increased costs, it will sell well. As there are many Nintendo fans. Gaming is a hobby at the end of the day let’s not forget. With each new generation more value is provided to consumers. So it’s fair IMHO to ask for more coin. Consumers will dictate what pricing people will accept. I’m curious now what MS has in store for its handheld.
Re: Remaster Specialists Are Ready to Target the PS3 Next, And We Can't Wait
@Wilshiire I’m a huge Killzone fan. Well 1-3 that is. I think someone else should do something with the IP. As the blokes and ethos of old studio is mostly gone. And the present studio would make a soft, overly clean Killzone story, and less masculine entry. I’m willing to pay full price for a physical remastered PS5 set. Some people want bloodborne. I want KZ.
Re: Fans Unsure Whether Sony Will Block PS5 Games on Xbox's Rumoured PC Hardware
Sony will likely make a deal to get these games blocked. But it will be a difficult argument. As if the Xbox is just a branded PC, then they will have a hard time in court if it came down to it. As if a dude purchased a legal digital access right on steam then they should be able to play it on any medium that supports steam. Sony will have made their money from that guy. If the next xbox is as powerful as MS says then this could be very interesting next generation! Hopefully Sony isn’t making a weak sauce SOC for the PS6.
Re: Fans Unsure Whether Sony Will Block PS5 Games on Xbox's Rumoured PC Hardware
@nomither6 why would they share their IP with Microsoft? MS has only done so because they are all in on subsidized gamepass and while MS is rich due to windows, their executives want to see more money from the Xbox brand. So they sell their games to other platforms even if before the acquisitions their studios would have done that already. Sony and Nintendo need to keep a tight grip on their IPs. MS has done what they have done due to Xbox not selling well since Xbox one compared to the x360 which was on par with PS3. It would be a different story if MS was on top and Sony couldn’t move hardware. So MS has changed their approach drastically.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Broke PS Store Sales Records for Ubisoft
@Boxmonkey yes which is why I have not been a fan of the subscription services for gaming. As I could see the writing on the wall for the future. Sure these services are good for an already existing backlog of old games. Just look at Netflix at first and its success. Then once other IP owners removed their content or made it more costly, Netflix had to go into debt to make more shows to justify people keeping their cheap subscription. It’s harder for game companies to put out many games especially since there is what I call a marvel effect in which every suit type wants to only create big budget games with hopes of striking gold.
Yes the steam numbers are very misleading. Especially for games which have a bigger base on consoles historically speaking.
Subscription models make it very hard for gaming companies to make new content. Especially those outside of the Windows corporate umbrella.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Broke PS Store Sales Records for Ubisoft
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Re: Ex-Xbox Console Exclusive Indiana Jones Will Be Available Physically on PS5, But May Require an Internet Connection
In my opinion it’s basically fraud if a single player game that is launched physically requires an internet connection. One should be able to play their game without an internet connection day 1 for whatever version of the game was written to the disc. As one will always be able to play that in the future whenever one decides to hook up said console.
Re: Ubisoft Will Reportedly Fight for Assassin's Creed Shadows, Anti-Harassment Plan in Place
Sounds like they want to control the narrative about this game so they can at least make as much money as possible. Since they know how polarizing it has been due to the choices they consciously made with this title. They really want to reverse their precipitous fall as of late. So much is riding on this title.
With that said I wasn’t even tracking that people waste their time doing digital threats to developers in the video game industry. Very silly. At the end of the day it’s just entertainment and people should vote with their wallet as the strongest form of protest against any company.
Re: Ubisoft Will Reportedly Fight for Assassin's Creed Shadows, Anti-Harassment Plan in Place
@KillerBoy yea exactly mate. From what I’ve seen from the sidelines, modern developers in this realm just don’t like the critique of their artwork if fans don’t agree with it. It’s all funny to me because I remember as a young lad growing up with the mindset that words can never hurt me but sticks and stones can. Cyber bullying is so silly to endure because all one needs to do is block or unfollow. It’s that simple. People’s negatively online shouldn’t impact an individual. With that said I don’t know the laws across each western country but serious threats in person or online can be prosecuted.
Re: This PS1 Logo Stand Plays the Console's Iconic Startup Sound, and Now We Want One
@nessisonett thanks for advice mate. I’ll be sure to not do it once I cross that bridge haha.
Re: Disc Rot Already Afflicts Your Physical Game Collection
Physical media like VHS and film will rot faster if not stored properly. People with CDs and blu-rays will be fine for the years to come.
Their digital media equivalent will be delisted from a server sooner than the physical media will rot.
Oh and my 60gb PS3’s blu-rays are just fine as they are stored indoors with their original packaging. Same for my Xbox 360.
Re: Talking Point: Is Forza Horizon 5's PS5 Price Point Too High?
@johncalmc people expect everything to be free and cheap. All while the gaming industry suffers from inflation like everything else. Then people get sad when studios close. Video games are such a cheap form of entertainment compared to the hours of value they provide.
Re: Talking Point: Is Forza Horizon 5's PS5 Price Point Too High?
No it’s not high at all. It’s a “new” game for the PS base. Besides Forza horizons are full games. If the price is too high then one can always get subsidized gamepass to play Microsoft games. The price is competitive with every other digital release on PS.
Re: Monster Hunter Wilds Breaks Records within Hours of Releasing
I truly didn’t know how popular these monster hunter games are. I’m slow haha!
Re: Monster Hunter Wilds Breaks Records within Hours of Releasing
@naruball most gamers don’t care what outlets like frames per second foundry has to say about performance. The casual gamer just wants entertainment to their liking.
Re: PS5 Fans Are Desperate for a Physical Version of Xbox Game Forza Horizon 5
@OldGamer999 no we don’t have to get over it. There will always be people like me that pay a premium for physical media. I buy 4K UHDs, CD, and albums still. I’ll pay a premium for whatever physical game release going forward. As I’m not going to be beholden to servers for my single player console games.
Re: Xbox Games on PS5 Is a Win for PlayStation Owners, Says Yoshida
@Rich33 I expect cross generation is here to stay. I don’t have any delusions about this. Especially since they went to the cheaper SOC designs. As we have seen this generation IMHO they let it go too far into the generation. We are nearly at the halfway point of the console generation. Obviously the cough era and the suits wanting live service messed things up.
My problem with cross generation stems from the fact that developers will be limiting their visions for games. Sure at a consoles launch that cross generation is fine but I’d like to see first party be the justification for one getting the new hardware.
Yes the PS6 will be more expensive on the surface. The reality is that gaming hasn’t kept up with inflation and the gaming industry like all other industries has bills to pay. I’ll get roasted for this but personally I’d like to see a very expensive PS6 to build that is a powerhouse at launch that has a very strong CPU.
Re: Xbox Games on PS5 Is a Win for PlayStation Owners, Says Yoshida
@ChrisDeku not a ridiculous comment from the standpoint if one was on the fence about buying a PS5. Up until very recently in this generation, I could not sell anyone on personally on getting at PS5 despite me owning one if they have a PS4.
Re: Xbox Games on PS5 Is a Win for PlayStation Owners, Says Yoshida
@MrPeanutbutterz yes Sony had plenty of PS4 ports to ps5 I’m not denying that. And yes it’s a fact that Microsoft acquired so many studios to get to where they are. But at this point we just have to accept that. I’m tracking Sonys push for live service games which they wanted to be the future during the cough era when the decisions were made.
MS closing those studios was MS just doing their usual corporate thing. No reason for them to shutter a game studio that made profit.
And it’s true Sony is a hardware company at its core. From TVs, walkmans, stereo equipment, and speakers. The PlayStation is hardware. And Sony won’t be liberal with its IPs like MS since they need people to buy into their system. Consoles do sell at a launch at first. But the PS4 and PS5 lowered the usual margin. As the SOCs were cheaper as well as the overall design.