@4fold This isn't next gen though, infact it's weaker than the base PS5. If this costs £600+ then it's going to make the PS6 look well worth it's price especially to tech nerds. Instead of trying to lure console gamers to PC it will be pushing current PC players to this new Steam machine who then may want to try other more powerful consoles.
@Deadhunter The sale definitely starts the 21st, over the years Black Friday has gone from a one day sale to a whole month long sale so it's understandable how people don't actually know the proper date.
@RoomWithaMoose Yeah I agree it's nice to see Sony's top brass wanting to claw back the Japanese market, now we just need some big Japanese exclusives or invest in more Japanese developers (or bring back Japan Studio). I will be buying any Japanese made games on the PS5 over my Switch 2, unless they are Nintendo exclusive like Rune Factory Guardians of Azuma and Hundred Line Last Defence Academy.
@IntrepidWombat Exactly, also has a better metacritic rating and user scores than both of those games. But it's the same every time, this show also looks over the nicher games especially jrpgs. I wouldn't be surprised if E33 was made by an Japanese dev that it wouldn't get as much attention or nominations.
Just saw that this game is only coming to PC via NCSofts purple launcher, which doesn't run on the Steam Deck which means it won't be running on the new Steam Machine either.
@cragis0001 I wouldn't be surprised if the Horizon online game from Guerrilla is exactly like Monster Hunter. Where you have a main hub where you can see other players, take quests and upgrade weapons etc and then go out into large Zones to hunt the machines in 4 player squads. That way they can release and maybe support it for 12-24 months with smaller free updates like Capcom do with their Monster Hunter games. All whilst working Horizon 3 at the same time, but if it was an MMO like Steel Frontiers is then they would have to be supporting it for many years with substantial updates which I don't think Sony want them doing.
People don't seem to understand that Playstation fans don't want games to go to PC not because we have some fixation on exclusives or because we don't like PC, but because we care about Playstation as a brand, putting all their exclusives day one onto PC makes Playstation weaker, more and more players will shift over to PC resulting in less console sales and less money for Sony to pump into making games and developing and buying new Studios. That loss in revenue will then be recuperated elsewhere such as price increases, lay offs and Studio closures, we've seen it happen with Xbox.
The exact same would happen with Nintendo, imagine having Mario, Pokémon and Zelda on PC (or other consoles), the software sales would be increased but their hardware sales would be down and console gaming in general would decline whilst PC would grow even further. For me I care about console gaming, I care about the state of Playstation and Nintendo and do not want them jeopardising their brand by following Microsoft.
Is it so bad for people to want console gaming not to decline and stay relevant? We are already seeing physical slowly die off, and cloud streaming becoming more of a norm, so the last saving grace is traditional consoles still being highly sought after.
@RoomWithaMoose I wouldn't call $2.2 billion not worth it (and that's not including Pokémon Go). That's just from Mario Kart Tour, Fire Emblem Heroes and Animal Crossing Pocket Camp.
Releasing mobile games is another piece of the puzzle, and it's an important one of which Sony has yet to take full advantage.
Sony own Crunchyroll and Aniplex, who have both released multiple mobile games and they also have Destiny Rising which apparently has been doing quite well and was well received by players. So it is something they are already taking advantage of, but now they just need to double down on using their PS IP's for these mobile games.
I think it will be a success, the player base is absolutely huge and Sony would be smart to cover a lot of genres which it seems they are doing as they now have an Hero Arena Shooter (Ratchet and Clank), Gacha (Fate Grand Order), MMO (Horizon Steel Frontiers) and RPG Shooter (Destiny Rising).
They should also think about an MLB The Show mobile game, or even look further into their Anime IPs since that market is growing. Aniplex and Crunchyroll already make their own Anime mobile games, So if anything Sony are already quite experienced in this field.
It would be a smart decision for Sony to pull away from PC in terms of their single player games, whilst still releasing live service games on PC. They need their big single player games to stay exclusive to Playstation consoles for a big selling point, especially if Xbox goes the same route as the steam machine which would then mean there's 3 "consoles" of choice for Sony made games, well eventually.
Instead they should double down on mobile releases, there's way much more money to be made on mobile than on PC. They will make more money form the Horizon MMO and Destiny mobile game than all of their single player PC releases combined.
It's going to be very niche, there's no reason for current console owners to jump ship as its a weaker console than the base PS5 and Series X, and in two years will be even more outdated when the next Playstation and Xbox release. Plus they have tried this "steam machine" before back in 2015, it was discontinued 3 years later as it flopped.
@Oram77 I don't mind AI for QA but using it for game design and in game art is just lazy and cheap, any games that are substantially using AI should cost less for the consumers, it's especially worse for free to play games that want you to spend hundreds on a gacha system (not sure of this has a gacha yet).
What I don't understand is if they want to use art and assets then why not just ask Guerrilla who should have a whole data base full.
Makes sense why Sony would want the game from NCSoft not to be on Consoles as it would clash with Guerillas online game. Either way I will be playing both as I love Horizons setting and combat.
Some people really are clueless, people make out like this game is a Sony made game and it not being on PS5 means it's dying 😂. The game is being made by a mobile developer, if only people did their research first.
Oh wait, there's Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing and Mario games on mobiles that aren't on Nintnedo Switch, NINTENDO IS DYING.....
Also now makes sense why Sony want to put a stop to that Tencent rip off, having two similar games with similar styles would clash and confuse casuals.
@get2sammyb There should be no anger, people were angry because Sony themselves were making the live service games but this game isn't occupying any of Sony's studios time.
@PuppetMaster Yeah you need to spend over a thousand (if not double that) to get a high end PC that can play everything without any tinkering in the settings and downloading additional software and drivers to make sure games run well. I've seen the state some games run on the deck and how many loopholes you have to jump through to get games running reasonably and that's at 720p 30fps locked which is something some playstation games get mocked for.
This new Steam box being weaker than the PS5 and most likely cost more than the PS5 is just not worth it in 2026, it's going to be very niche.
Tbf reading about this new Steam box it doesn't sound like anything special, it's weaker than the PS5 so will launch next year already out dated with the next gen consoles a year away, can't see it selling more than a couple of million. There's a reason their previous steam machine (2015) got discontinued after three years.
@GamingGod That's just their way of coping with the downfall of Xbox, they try and justify it by saying Playstation is stalling yet figures say otherwise.
Must be hard times for them as steam just announced an hybrid console before them and will most likely gain more attention than the new Xbox.
Playstation 5 has been the best console yet in my opinion, there's been more games I've played and would rate a 9 or 10 so far on PS5 than the entirety of the PS4 gen.
They should loan out their IP's more often for mobile games, the more attention these mobile games get the more likely people will buy the actual console games.
Also the Destiny mobile game is doing quite well so maybe we will get a Killzone or Resistance mobile game at some point.
@SuntannedDuck2 Fate Trigger has nothing to do with the Type Moon Fate series, it's just that the game has used the word "Fate" in its name to bait people into thinking it's related to the more popular IP.
The next actual Fate game is "Fate/EXTRA Record" which is a remake of a PSP game and is due next year.
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Re: Valve's Steam Machine May Not Be As Affordable As a PS5
@4fold This isn't next gen though, infact it's weaker than the base PS5. If this costs £600+ then it's going to make the PS6 look well worth it's price especially to tech nerds. Instead of trying to lure console gamers to PC it will be pushing current PC players to this new Steam machine who then may want to try other more powerful consoles.
Re: Free Mafia PS5 Update Adds Open World Mode, Gear, and Challenges Tomorrow
@StitchJones Ask Bandai Namco...
Re: Tales of Berseria Remastered Set for PS5, $40 Game Out on 27th February
That's just not worth it, it's a PS4 game so your basically paying £35 for a PS5 patch that most games got for free.
Re: PS Store's Enormous Black Friday Sale Set to Go Live 21st November
@BLKxHER0 Yeah Dispatch and E33 are top of the list, il probably start both this weekend if I get them.
Re: PS Store's Enormous Black Friday Sale Set to Go Live 21st November
@Deadhunter The sale definitely starts the 21st, over the years Black Friday has gone from a one day sale to a whole month long sale so it's understandable how people don't actually know the proper date.
Re: PS Store's Enormous Black Friday Sale Set to Go Live 21st November
This may be the time I finally buy Clair Obscura, Hell is Us and Dispatch (if they're on sale).
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 7 UK Sales Plummet 61% Compared to Black Ops 6
Love to see it, the more and more Microsofts spending spree comes back to bite them the better.
Re: PlayStation CEO Pushed Through Cut-Price PS5 in Japan After Seeing System Slump Against Switch 2
@RoomWithaMoose Yeah I agree it's nice to see Sony's top brass wanting to claw back the Japanese market, now we just need some big Japanese exclusives or invest in more Japanese developers (or bring back Japan Studio). I will be buying any Japanese made games on the PS5 over my Switch 2, unless they are Nintendo exclusive like Rune Factory Guardians of Azuma and Hundred Line Last Defence Academy.
Re: Talking Point: The Game Awards 2025 Nominations Announced: Who Are Your Winners?
@IntrepidWombat Exactly, also has a better metacritic rating and user scores than both of those games. But it's the same every time, this show also looks over the nicher games especially jrpgs. I wouldn't be surprised if E33 was made by an Japanese dev that it wouldn't get as much attention or nominations.
Re: Xbox Partner Preview Officially Confirmed for 20th November, Includes 'Brand New Reveals'
So basically everything shown will be coming to PS5 day one, may give it a watch then.
Re: Talking Point: The Game Awards 2025 Nominations Announced: Who Are Your Winners?
Wow no nominations whatsoever for Trails in the Sky Remake, what a joke.
Re: Mobile MMO Horizon Steel Frontiers Seems to Have Captured Lots of Attention Already
Just saw that this game is only coming to PC via NCSofts purple launcher, which doesn't run on the Steam Deck which means it won't be running on the new Steam Machine either.
Re: Mobile MMO Horizon Steel Frontiers Seems to Have Captured Lots of Attention Already
@cragis0001 I wouldn't be surprised if the Horizon online game from Guerrilla is exactly like Monster Hunter. Where you have a main hub where you can see other players, take quests and upgrade weapons etc and then go out into large Zones to hunt the machines in 4 player squads. That way they can release and maybe support it for 12-24 months with smaller free updates like Capcom do with their Monster Hunter games. All whilst working Horizon 3 at the same time, but if it was an MMO like Steel Frontiers is then they would have to be supporting it for many years with substantial updates which I don't think Sony want them doing.
Re: 'Very Vague' Rumour Claims Sony May Scale Back PC Ports of PS5 Games
People don't seem to understand that Playstation fans don't want games to go to PC not because we have some fixation on exclusives or because we don't like PC, but because we care about Playstation as a brand, putting all their exclusives day one onto PC makes Playstation weaker, more and more players will shift over to PC resulting in less console sales and less money for Sony to pump into making games and developing and buying new Studios. That loss in revenue will then be recuperated elsewhere such as price increases, lay offs and Studio closures, we've seen it happen with Xbox.
The exact same would happen with Nintendo, imagine having Mario, Pokémon and Zelda on PC (or other consoles), the software sales would be increased but their hardware sales would be down and console gaming in general would decline whilst PC would grow even further. For me I care about console gaming, I care about the state of Playstation and Nintendo and do not want them jeopardising their brand by following Microsoft.
Is it so bad for people to want console gaming not to decline and stay relevant? We are already seeing physical slowly die off, and cloud streaming becoming more of a norm, so the last saving grace is traditional consoles still being highly sought after.
Re: Talking Point: Will PlayStation's Mobile Push Be a Success or a Flop?
@RoomWithaMoose I wouldn't call $2.2 billion not worth it (and that's not including Pokémon Go). That's just from Mario Kart Tour, Fire Emblem Heroes and Animal Crossing Pocket Camp.
Re: Talking Point: Will PlayStation's Mobile Push Be a Success or a Flop?
Releasing mobile games is another piece of the puzzle, and it's an important one of which Sony has yet to take full advantage.
Sony own Crunchyroll and Aniplex, who have both released multiple mobile games and they also have Destiny Rising which apparently has been doing quite well and was well received by players. So it is something they are already taking advantage of, but now they just need to double down on using their PS IP's for these mobile games.
Re: Sony Trying to Silence Concord Revival Project After Fans Brought PS5, PC Disaster Back
Bring it back, make it free to play and put it on mobile, surely it should start making some money then.
Re: Talking Point: Will PlayStation's Mobile Push Be a Success or a Flop?
I think it will be a success, the player base is absolutely huge and Sony would be smart to cover a lot of genres which it seems they are doing as they now have an Hero Arena Shooter (Ratchet and Clank), Gacha (Fate Grand Order), MMO (Horizon Steel Frontiers) and RPG Shooter (Destiny Rising).
They should also think about an MLB The Show mobile game, or even look further into their Anime IPs since that market is growing. Aniplex and Crunchyroll already make their own Anime mobile games, So if anything Sony are already quite experienced in this field.
Re: 'Very Vague' Rumour Claims Sony May Scale Back PC Ports of PS5 Games
It would be a smart decision for Sony to pull away from PC in terms of their single player games, whilst still releasing live service games on PC. They need their big single player games to stay exclusive to Playstation consoles for a big selling point, especially if Xbox goes the same route as the steam machine which would then mean there's 3 "consoles" of choice for Sony made games, well eventually.
Instead they should double down on mobile releases, there's way much more money to be made on mobile than on PC. They will make more money form the Horizon MMO and Destiny mobile game than all of their single player PC releases combined.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 607
On PS5 i will be playing Borderlands 4, TLOU 2 Remastered and Digimon Story Time Stranger
On the Switch 2 it's more Hyrule Warriors Age of Imprisonment, Pokémon Legends Z-A and the Kirby Air Riders Global Test.
Re: Poll: Does the Steam Machine Pose a Threat to PS5?
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Re: Poll: Does the Steam Machine Pose a Threat to PS5?
It's going to be very niche, there's no reason for current console owners to jump ship as its a weaker console than the base PS5 and Series X, and in two years will be even more outdated when the next Playstation and Xbox release. Plus they have tried this "steam machine" before back in 2015, it was discontinued 3 years later as it flopped.
Re: 'We'd Love to Do It': Sounds Like NCSOFT Wants Horizon Steel Frontiers on PS5 as Much as You
If Guerrillas online Horizon game is 1-2 years away then it makes sense not to put this onto PS5.
Re: Hi-Fi Rush Now Officially in the Hands of 'AI-First' Publisher Krafton
@ButterySmooth30FPS Staring your favourite character chAI.
Re: Hi-Fi Rush Now Officially in the Hands of 'AI-First' Publisher Krafton
Get ready for the sequel, Ai-Fi Rush.
Re: Steel Yourselves: The Game Awards Nominees Are Being Announced Imminently
I will be super disappointed if Trails in the Sky Remake gets nothing, easily the best jrpg this year.
The nominees should be
Re: Here's Why Sony Is Making a Japan-Specific PS5 Console
@Oram77 oh he knows...
Re: Horizon MMO Uses AI 'Extensively' in Development, Says NCSOFT
@Oram77 I don't mind AI for QA but using it for game design and in game art is just lazy and cheap, any games that are substantially using AI should cost less for the consumers, it's especially worse for free to play games that want you to spend hundreds on a gacha system (not sure of this has a gacha yet).
What I don't understand is if they want to use art and assets then why not just ask Guerrilla who should have a whole data base full.
Re: Horizon MMO Uses AI 'Extensively' in Development, Says NCSOFT
And just like that I'm out, I'm sure most people will also change their stance and be happy it's not on console.
Re: Another Horizon Online PS5 Game Is Coming Before Horizon 3, It's Claimed
I see the trolls just keep on trolling 😂
Re: Another Horizon Online PS5 Game Is Coming Before Horizon 3, It's Claimed
Makes sense why Sony would want the game from NCSoft not to be on Consoles as it would clash with Guerillas online game. Either way I will be playing both as I love Horizons setting and combat.
Re: Another Horizon Online PS5 Game Is Coming Before Horizon 3, It's Claimed
@OldGamer999 Microsoft are releasing live service games so are you going to moan about them?
Re: Horizon Dev Guerrilla Won't Abandon PS5, Has 'More' Games Coming
@OldGamer999 Earlier you mentioned MP4, is that a big budget super polished blockbuster AAA? Or is it just Playstation you hold to those standards?
Re: Horizon Dev Guerrilla Won't Abandon PS5, Has 'More' Games Coming
More Horizon is welcome but would be nice to see them work on something new, just not Killzone though.
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO for Mobile and PC, Prompting Fury from PS5 Fans
@Dan12836666 Well it's free to play....
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO for Mobile and PC, Prompting Fury from PS5 Fans
Some people really are clueless, people make out like this game is a Sony made game and it not being on PS5 means it's dying 😂. The game is being made by a mobile developer, if only people did their research first.
Oh wait, there's Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing and Mario games on mobiles that aren't on Nintnedo Switch, NINTENDO IS DYING.....
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO for Mobile and PC, Prompting Fury from PS5 Fans
@MrStark So by your standards the Xbox Series Consoles are also the worst Xbox Consoles Ever?
Just a shame you don't have the same energy to say that over on PureXbox.
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO by NCSOFT for PC, Mobile
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@ZeroSum It's PC and Mobile only......for now. There's no way this doesn't come to Playstation at some point.
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO by NCSOFT for PC, Mobile
Also now makes sense why Sony want to put a stop to that Tencent rip off, having two similar games with similar styles would clash and confuse casuals.
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO by NCSOFT for PC, Mobile
@get2sammyb There should be no anger, people were angry because Sony themselves were making the live service games but this game isn't occupying any of Sony's studios time.
Re: The Next Horizon Game Is an MMO by NCSOFT for PC, Mobile
Looks really good, this is the type of live service Sony need and hopefully does well, should also help the main games with boosted sales.
Re: PS5 Is the Second Fastest Selling PlayStation Ever in the US, Despite Price Hikes and Production Issues
@PuppetMaster Yeah you need to spend over a thousand (if not double that) to get a high end PC that can play everything without any tinkering in the settings and downloading additional software and drivers to make sure games run well. I've seen the state some games run on the deck and how many loopholes you have to jump through to get games running reasonably and that's at 720p 30fps locked which is something some playstation games get mocked for.
This new Steam box being weaker than the PS5 and most likely cost more than the PS5 is just not worth it in 2026, it's going to be very niche.
Re: PS5 Is the Second Fastest Selling PlayStation Ever in the US, Despite Price Hikes and Production Issues
Tbf reading about this new Steam box it doesn't sound like anything special, it's weaker than the PS5 so will launch next year already out dated with the next gen consoles a year away, can't see it selling more than a couple of million. There's a reason their previous steam machine (2015) got discontinued after three years.
Re: New Ratchet & Clank Game Announced, But Not for the Platform You Want
@Questionable_Duck There's no reason why they can't do both, their last Ratchet and Clank game came out in between Spiderman 1 and Spiderman 2.
Re: PS5 Is the Second Fastest Selling PlayStation Ever in the US, Despite Price Hikes and Production Issues
@GamingGod That's just their way of coping with the downfall of Xbox, they try and justify it by saying Playstation is stalling yet figures say otherwise.
Must be hard times for them as steam just announced an hybrid console before them and will most likely gain more attention than the new Xbox.
Re: PS5 Is the Second Fastest Selling PlayStation Ever in the US, Despite Price Hikes and Production Issues
Playstation 5 has been the best console yet in my opinion, there's been more games I've played and would rate a 9 or 10 so far on PS5 than the entirety of the PS4 gen.
Re: New Ratchet & Clank Game Announced, But Not for the Platform You Want
They should loan out their IP's more often for mobile games, the more attention these mobile games get the more likely people will buy the actual console games.
Also the Destiny mobile game is doing quite well so maybe we will get a Killzone or Resistance mobile game at some point.
Re: PS5's Biggest Game Has Not Released Yet, PlayStation Boss Teases
If he's including third party then yeah it's GTA 6, if they are talking about their owm games then I think it may be the next God of War.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced in Sony's State of Play Livestream for November 2025?
@SuntannedDuck2 Fate Trigger has nothing to do with the Type Moon Fate series, it's just that the game has used the word "Fate" in its name to bait people into thinking it's related to the more popular IP.
The next actual Fate game is "Fate/EXTRA Record" which is a remake of a PSP game and is due next year.