I love the lore of 40K etc but I actually missed Ultramarine. I only ever played Dawn of War on PC. I take it based on the comments above it was a good game? Either way I'll give this one a go.
I think if they are going to get a subscription service why not offer them separately and allow the customer to pick and choose what they want; as a tier system sounds quite pricey. For instance I subscribe to PS Plus but PS Now doesn't interest me and I think endeavours like it such as Gamepass in the long run are harmful to the Devs. So I would say a PS Plus sub and a "PS Classics" sub which offers the PS1-3 games with things like trophy support would be great.
I think in that sense PS are losing the console war, they've got a treasure trove of classic titles which if they granted access would be a huge money maker. Also they need to start thinking more ambitious. Instead of lamenting the loss of Devs such as Bethesda and their titles, why not think "hmm well let's get one of our own studios to develop our own versions of Elder Scrolls/Fallout".
PS4 gen was a big win for Sony but they can't afford to rest on their laurels, so hopefully this new service if done right will give them an edge.
Why do companies seem intent on releasing unfinished and broken products? I'm sure the fan base would respect a delay more than paying full price for a faulty product which will be patched "later"
@Rob_230 I was literally coming on to ask this question. I remember people saying it was good when it was released but never heard about it since so I'll pick it up thanks.
I think the older the game the easier we found it. Most games when I was young in the 90s had either fixed camera angles or were 2d platformers (I started on the Amiga).
Then move onto the PS1 which were initially restricted in what the games did with analogue controls being introduced in games as the generation aged meant we were gradually introduced.
This process combined with the fact that I started young certainly helped me. Give my Dad a modern day shooter and he's shooting everything except the enemy.
I don't have that much faith in this release. I think it will be a graphical update, maybe a few glitch/AI fixes but nothing more. Archaic feeling gameplay is just something I think players will need to get used to if they want to return to these old gems.
Still playing through my PS3 backlog which takes a while when trophy hunting.
Just completed Quantum of Solace (textbook FPS of the late noughties) and got all single player trophies. Will miss out on the platinum because of MP trophies and servers are now shut down, a problem many PS3 games will face.
@BoldAndBrash Don't get me wrong I did use the other weapons on the first couple of play throughs and they had their uses but I always found the plasma cutter most useful, especially when upgraded. Which was odd bearing in mind it was the default weapon.
@Korgon Agreed, the other weapons didn't have the effectiveness of dismemberment like the Plasma Cutter did. You were often better off using credits on armour and suit upgrades.
@Jarobusa We the consumer can stop them charging more. The more they hike up the prices the less people will buy the games and products, especially newly released.
@Jarobusa Maybe it does but they're not alone in charging people for a slightly better version of their product. How many times was CoD reskinned with a bit better better graphics and a new story every year. Was merely an upgrade when you think about it but it still sells.
Companies are there to make money, some value PR, some value the profit to invest back into the games. Just different ways of doing things.
If they give stuff away for free then why should they charge you for anything? You could just apply the "but I'm a loyal customer" rule to absolutely anything.
I've been eating Walker's Crisps all my life but I've never had a free bag off them.
@Jarobusa Affordability doesn't really come into it. Could Sony afford to give this update away for free? Certainly. Why should they though if people are going to buy it? It's a company not a charity after all.
I'm sure the company behind Metro will have good PR but it will be forgotten quite quickly.
@The_New_Butler "What I care about is the fact that Sony are charging a fee for minimal upgrades and is essentially charging money for a patch."
Fair enough but it's up to them and the fact that other gamers will buy it is motivation for Sony to charge. If a company can make money from people by doing something they'll do it. Just the way it is.
@Spiders "paying $30 to play a title you already played again with marginal improvements is a sucker’s game, especially with what you can get for that price in other places."
Couldn't agree more. That's why I won't be buying it. I don't blame Sony either for charging because they needed to pay staff to pull off those upgrades and they know people will buy them.
We can just play whatever else in the meantime until titles like GoT become cheaper.
@The_New_Butler If you play cross platform there is obviously a reason you are playing Sony games/platforms because they have something you want.
You don't have to take anything what any company does, you can go to a competitor or as you've hinted at buy it at a cheaper price. Why do you care that you can't play the PS5 upgrade straight away for free?
There's loads of games on PS4/PS5 and other gens to keep you busy. The catalogue will only get bigger which will cause GoT at least to drop in price.
If you don't want to pay for the upgrade then don't. There are thousands of gamers who will buy it though.
The price may not be justified but surely at the same time, there are players out there who will pay for this so why shouldn't Sony charge for the upgrade? If other companies want to give upgrades away for free then great, it benefits consumers but not necessarily the company themselves (except maybe PR).
As a consumer we have the right not to buy or wait until the price inevitably drops and buy it then.
Dragon Age 2 on PS3. Not as bad as people say but I understand the complaints. Nor do I agree with the "DA2 is secretly a masterpiece" crowd. Definitely not as good as Origins.
Played through RDR on PS3 recently. Still an awesome game, I'm not sure it needs the remaster treatment just yet though.
There's plenty they could do with older titles. Bully is one, also I think a Max Payne remake of the first two games and the 3rd getting the remaster treatment would be a much better use of the company's time.
I remember Medal of Honour: Underground on the PS1 having a woman on the cover but then again you actually played as a woman in the French Resistance. I don't remember any outrage at that but a woman fighting in the resistance was a thing historically and we didn't have a culture war to fight back then. Simpler times indeed.
Time to wait and see if the woman in these images is shoehorned like females fighting in the US army or something more plausible like a resistance fighter.
@naruball Well said, I think we're at the point where buying a console at launch with very few and expensive games available isn't necessarily the best course of action. Especially when there is still so much available for way cheaper on previous gens to play.
@Fenbops Well yeah but they don't just sit on that profit, it also get invested back into the company to improve services, complete R&D which in turn leads to the new technology and products that we all enjoy. They get rich because they were the ones who used their own cash to invest, they took the risks with all their millions and had a lot to lose because of it.
The more things cost to make the higher the return needed = higher price for the end product.
@AdamNovice I think with certain games though there is an expectation of what it provides. For example a CoD game usually provides a Campaign/Multiplayer/Zombies (or some other special mode) The removal of one or two of these modes and charging full price for something that we got as standard and more of in previous titles is bad practice I'd say. Also when games shoehorn in multiplayer modes (looking at Tomb Raider) where there was no need is a joke when they charge the player base for it. However at the same time it is up to the players whether they pay full price for something they don't really want.
Whether the delay is true or not, I'm sure every fan would just want the game to be finished and polished to a good standard, if that means a delay then so be it.
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Re: First and Third Party PlayStation Studios Wish You Happy Holidays with These Greetings Cards
@ApostateMage
Can't offend the 0.00001% of people who are offended by a religious festival marked by celebration and gift giving old boy.
Re: Warhammer 40K: Space Marine Is Getting a Sequel on PS5
I love the lore of 40K etc but I actually missed Ultramarine. I only ever played Dawn of War on PC. I take it based on the comments above it was a good game? Either way I'll give this one a go.
Re: Reaction: Merging PS Plus and PS Now Makes Sense, But an Xbox Game Pass Competitor Can't Be Half-Arsed
I think if they are going to get a subscription service why not offer them separately and allow the customer to pick and choose what they want; as a tier system sounds quite pricey. For instance I subscribe to PS Plus but PS Now doesn't interest me and I think endeavours like it such as Gamepass in the long run are harmful to the Devs. So I would say a PS Plus sub and a "PS Classics" sub which offers the PS1-3 games with things like trophy support would be great.
I think in that sense PS are losing the console war, they've got a treasure trove of classic titles which if they granted access would be a huge money maker. Also they need to start thinking more ambitious. Instead of lamenting the loss of Devs such as Bethesda and their titles, why not think "hmm well let's get one of our own studios to develop our own versions of Elder Scrolls/Fallout".
PS4 gen was a big win for Sony but they can't afford to rest on their laurels, so hopefully this new service if done right will give them an edge.
Re: Battlefield to Become a Connected Universe with Multiple Games and Experiences
Next up:
Call of Duty to Become a Connected Universe with Multiple Games and Experiences
Re: Rockstar Apologises for the State of GTA Trilogy on PS5, PS4
@MyThoughts31 Give me a remastered trilogy any day but I'm not sure if R* own the rights to the first two games.
Re: Rockstar Apologises for the State of GTA Trilogy on PS5, PS4
I'll accept your apology R* IF you make it up to us by doing a proper remaster of Max Payne 3....
Re: Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy - Definitive Edition (PS5) - A Stain on Rockstar's Record
Why do companies seem intent on releasing unfinished and broken products? I'm sure the fan base would respect a delay more than paying full price for a faulty product which will be patched "later"
Re: GTA Trilogy Adds Iconic 90s Cheat Big Head Mode
Ah big head mode. That'll make all those drawbacks worth it!
Re: New Mass Effect Legendary Edition Stats Show 15% of Players Didn't Even Recruit Garrus
@Deadhunter "Didn't I stop you from joining me on my galaxy saving mission one time?"
Re: New Mass Effect Legendary Edition Stats Show 15% of Players Didn't Even Recruit Garrus
I didn't know it was possible not to recruit Garrus. Who is Archangel in the 2nd one then? 🤔
Re: Round Up: Call of Duty: Vanguard Reviews Praise Fun WWII FPS
@Nintendo4Sonic "Campaign is stealing only 20GBs from the SSD"
Well yeah but you need the 19TB of patches to come in the next three months yet.
Re: PS Store Remasters & Retro Sale Lists PS4 Games for Cheap
@Rob_230 I was literally coming on to ask this question. I remember people saying it was good when it was released but never heard about it since so I'll pick it up thanks.
Re: Sony Flying in PS5 Stock to Meet UK Christmas Demand
Coming to a scalper near you soon!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 400
Dead Space. Halloween and all that.
Re: Poll: What's the Best GTA Game on PlayStation?
Vice City all day! You know I'm right!
Re: GTA Trilogy Now Removed from PS Store Ahead of PS5, PS4 Remasters
Awesome. I now own a game which cannot be bought again. That'll impress the ladies!
Re: Soapbox: Some Games Assume You Know How to Play Them, and It's Kinda Weird
I think the older the game the easier we found it. Most games when I was young in the 90s had either fixed camera angles or were 2d platformers (I started on the Amiga).
Then move onto the PS1 which were initially restricted in what the games did with analogue controls being introduced in games as the generation aged meant we were gradually introduced.
This process combined with the fact that I started young certainly helped me. Give my Dad a modern day shooter and he's shooting everything except the enemy.
Re: PS3, PS Vita to Remove PS Store Payment Methods
Wish they'd have a big one time sale. Bet they'd make more money from PS3 products at full price. Plenty of games/DLC I'd buy if it was reduced.
Re: GTA Trilogy Trophy Art Leaks Online, References in Rockstar Launcher
I don't have that much faith in this release. I think it will be a graphical update, maybe a few glitch/AI fixes but nothing more. Archaic feeling gameplay is just something I think players will need to get used to if they want to return to these old gems.
Re: Video: Are People Still Playing PS3 Games Online in 2021?
Still playing through my PS3 backlog which takes a while when trophy hunting.
Just completed Quantum of Solace (textbook FPS of the late noughties) and got all single player trophies. Will miss out on the platinum because of MP trophies and servers are now shut down, a problem many PS3 games will face.
Re: Gulp! PS5 Stock Shortages Could Last Until 2023
@Deadlyblack
I hate the scalpers as much as the next gamer but they wouldn't be an issue if people didn't buy from them.
Re: Dead Space PS5 Will Double Down on Dismemberment
@BoldAndBrash
Don't get me wrong I did use the other weapons on the first couple of play throughs and they had their uses but I always found the plasma cutter most useful, especially when upgraded. Which was odd bearing in mind it was the default weapon.
Re: Dead Space PS5 Will Double Down on Dismemberment
@Korgon
Agreed, the other weapons didn't have the effectiveness of dismemberment like the Plasma Cutter did. You were often better off using credits on armour and suit upgrades.
Re: Dead Space PS5 Will Double Down on Dismemberment
Give me a Plasma Cutter and I'll take on any Necromorph you can dream up. Except that one that you can't kill!
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Cybrshrk
"but it's close enough to say they pulling some very shady practices and I for one and NOT on with it."
Well here's a crazy idea, don't buy it straight away. Let it drop in price, then buy it.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Gamer_Girl_
Spot on!
You'd think Sony were putting a gun to people's heads and telling them to buy their stuff.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Jarobusa
We the consumer can stop them charging more. The more they hike up the prices the less people will buy the games and products, especially newly released.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Jarobusa
Maybe it does but they're not alone in charging people for a slightly better version of their product. How many times was CoD reskinned with a bit better better graphics and a new story every year. Was merely an upgrade when you think about it but it still sells.
Companies are there to make money, some value PR, some value the profit to invest back into the games. Just different ways of doing things.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Jarobusa
All the negative press will be forgotten. Charging for this upgrade will not go down in the history books as some great betrayal.
R* have charged people for the same iteration of GTAV 3x over and it's still regularly in the top 10 selling games charts (combined with online).
Being charged for a product isn't as big a deal as you think it is. Yeah it can be a rip off some time but I can see both sides of the argument.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@The_New_Butler
Apology or not, it's logic.
If they give stuff away for free then why should they charge you for anything? You could just apply the "but I'm a loyal customer" rule to absolutely anything.
I've been eating Walker's Crisps all my life but I've never had a free bag off them.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Jarobusa
Affordability doesn't really come into it. Could Sony afford to give this update away for free? Certainly. Why should they though if people are going to buy it? It's a company not a charity after all.
I'm sure the company behind Metro will have good PR but it will be forgotten quite quickly.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@The_New_Butler
"What I care about is the fact that Sony are charging a fee for minimal upgrades and is essentially charging money for a patch."
Fair enough but it's up to them and the fact that other gamers will buy it is motivation for Sony to charge. If a company can make money from people by doing something they'll do it. Just the way it is.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Spiders
"paying $30 to play a title you already played again with marginal improvements is a sucker’s game, especially with what you can get for that price in other places."
Couldn't agree more. That's why I won't be buying it. I don't blame Sony either for charging because they needed to pay staff to pull off those upgrades and they know people will buy them.
We can just play whatever else in the meantime until titles like GoT become cheaper.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@The_New_Butler
If you play cross platform there is obviously a reason you are playing Sony games/platforms because they have something you want.
You don't have to take anything what any company does, you can go to a competitor or as you've hinted at buy it at a cheaper price. Why do you care that you can't play the PS5 upgrade straight away for free?
There's loads of games on PS4/PS5 and other gens to keep you busy. The catalogue will only get bigger which will cause GoT at least to drop in price.
If you don't want to pay for the upgrade then don't. There are thousands of gamers who will buy it though.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
@Spiders
I highly doubt anyone will stop buying Sony products because they charge consumers for upgrades.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut Is Superb, But Sony Shouldn't Be Charging Extra for PS5 Upgrade
The price may not be justified but surely at the same time, there are players out there who will pay for this so why shouldn't Sony charge for the upgrade? If other companies want to give upgrades away for free then great, it benefits consumers but not necessarily the company themselves (except maybe PR).
As a consumer we have the right not to buy or wait until the price inevitably drops and buy it then.
Re: Two New PS Store Sales Contain Over 1,500 PS5, PS4 Game Deals
Think I'll pickup Death of the Outsider....and the backlog just gets bigger!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 389
Dragon Age 2 on PS3. Not as bad as people say but I understand the complaints. Nor do I agree with the "DA2 is secretly a masterpiece" crowd. Definitely not as good as Origins.
Re: Spyro: Reignited Trilogy Guide - All Collectibles Walkthrough and How to Play
Also get ready for the huge difficulty spike against Gulp. Hope you've got plenty of lives because you're gonna need them!
Re: Rumour: Red Dead Redemption Remaster Planned, But Could Depend on GTA Success
Played through RDR on PS3 recently. Still an awesome game, I'm not sure it needs the remaster treatment just yet though.
There's plenty they could do with older titles. Bully is one, also I think a Max Payne remake of the first two games and the 3rd getting the remaster treatment would be a much better use of the company's time.
Re: Call of Duty: Vanguard Key Art Leaks, Reveal Reportedly Next Week
@Korgon
100%. Writing an angry letter to a gaming magazine was much more laborious.
Re: Call of Duty: Vanguard Key Art Leaks, Reveal Reportedly Next Week
I remember Medal of Honour: Underground on the PS1 having a woman on the cover but then again you actually played as a woman in the French Resistance. I don't remember any outrage at that but a woman fighting in the resistance was a thing historically and we didn't have a culture war to fight back then. Simpler times indeed.
Time to wait and see if the woman in these images is shoehorned like females fighting in the US army or something more plausible like a resistance fighter.
Re: UK Sales Charts: PS5 Stock Shortages Force Sony Exclusives Out of the Top 10
@naruball
Well said, I think we're at the point where buying a console at launch with very few and expensive games available isn't necessarily the best course of action. Especially when there is still so much available for way cheaper on previous gens to play.
Re: Sony Is Absolutely Flying Financially Right Now
@Fenbops
Well yeah but they don't just sit on that profit, it also get invested back into the company to improve services, complete R&D which in turn leads to the new technology and products that we all enjoy. They get rich because they were the ones who used their own cash to invest, they took the risks with all their millions and had a lot to lose because of it.
The more things cost to make the higher the return needed = higher price for the end product.
Re: Sony Is Absolutely Flying Financially Right Now
@Fenbops
Great, no need to be depressed about high prices then.
Re: Sony Is Absolutely Flying Financially Right Now
@Fenbops
Wait and buy them in a sale then or when they inevitably drop.
Re: Battlefield 2042 Doesn't Have a Campaign, But It Is Getting a Short Film
@AdamNovice
I think with certain games though there is an expectation of what it provides. For example a CoD game usually provides a Campaign/Multiplayer/Zombies (or some other special mode)
The removal of one or two of these modes and charging full price for something that we got as standard and more of in previous titles is bad practice I'd say.
Also when games shoehorn in multiplayer modes (looking at Tomb Raider) where there was no need is a joke when they charge the player base for it.
However at the same time it is up to the players whether they pay full price for something they don't really want.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Delay Rumours are Doing the Rounds, But It's All Speculation
Whether the delay is true or not, I'm sure every fan would just want the game to be finished and polished to a good standard, if that means a delay then so be it.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced at EA Play 2021?
I wonder if the military will be able to handle one Necromorph landing on its ship in the remake?? 🤔
Re: PS Store Summer Sale Discounts So Many Big PS5, PS4 Games
Oh well, saving money for the future is overrated