Update: Well, it looks like this is probably happening after all. Following on from a rumour outbreak earlier today, Bloomberg's Jason Schreier has weighed in on the situation, reporting that Horizon Forbidden West will indeed be delayed into the first quarter of 2022. The PS5 and PS4 game had been targeting a 2021 release window, but has never received a concrete date.
Again, like the earlier rumours, this hasn't been confirmed by Sony just yet — but the company may be forced to release a statement in the near future if this story gains traction (which it most likely will).
Original Story: Fridays are always pretty slow when it comes to news, and so a lot of websites (just like Push Square!) end up latching onto even the most questionable gossip. To be fair, this latest "rumour" isn't all that ridiculous, but it is gathering momentum as more and more sites run with it. As such, we just wanted to offer our own take on the matter.
So, as you may have already noticed, there's a lot of ongoing chatter regarding the release date for Horizon Forbidden West. It all stems from the words of Jeff Grubb, who, speaking on his Giant Bomb show (as reported by VGC), said that Sony could be looking to delay the open world game into 2022 — as per an unnamed source.
The thing is, a delay would hardly come as a huge surprise. After Forbidden West was shown off in a dedicated State of Play broadcast, PlayStation Studios boss Hermen Hulst couldn't confirm whether the title would hit its targeted 2021 launch window. According to Hulst — speaking in June — development was still on track, but again, he wasn't "certain" about the finished product dropping before the end of the year.
Of course, Sony wants Forbidden West to hit around the holidays — it would be a tentpole title for the PlayStation 5 roughly one year after the console's launch. However, the Japanese giant has always been against releasing its games before they're ready. There's no doubt that if it's necessary, Sony will delay the game, as it's done numerous times before with other projects.
It's also worth noting that Grubb doesn't say that a delay is nailed on — it's very much speculation on his part, based on things that he's heard. "I don’t know for sure, I think it’s still undecided, but I think it’s leaning towards Horizon Forbidden West in 2022," he explains.
And that's about it, really. Nothing much has actually changed on the Horizon Forbidden West front — despite what current headlines might suggest. As always, we're just going to have to wait for official word from Sony.
Do you think Forbidden West will make it out this year, or will Sony hold it back? Draw your bow in the comments section below.
[source giantbomb.com, via videogameschronicle.com]
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Well, I don't mind the delays to be honest. I would rather a 'full' game on release rather than constant updates to make it right after launch.
I really want it for Christmas, but I think maybe I've always half expected it to be delayed.
There's plenty to play between now and 2022 without this, but it would be a little deflating to see it pushed.
Still, like we always say, they wouldn't do it without good reason. Better to delay it than rush out a PS4 version that stutters and crashes.
I fully expect this game to slip into 2022 just like every other high-profile game coming out.
Halo Infinite might be the only highly-anticipated game to make 2021 Holiday season this year.
Thanks COVID - [Expletive] you!
Whether the delay is true or not, I'm sure every fan would just want the game to be finished and polished to a good standard, if that means a delay then so be it.
I predict a late fall release. And I have absolutely no evidence to back that up.
@nessisonett LMAO! It wouldn't surprise me one bit.
As for a delay, if it does happen, it was expected. I don't see this game coming out this year and I kinda hope it doesn't, take your time. I'm sure Sony will make it up by giving a heavy 3rd party title for free or something on Plus.
I'd rather they waited to release it when it's ready. It looks like it's going to be one hell of a game so don't rush it out just to get it out there by Christmas (am I allowed to call it that?).
Lets just be very clear about something here.
Jeff Grubb is NOT a reliable source of information.
Sony needs an blockbuster for the Christmas time but as long as the console isn’t widely available they don’t need to rush the game.
I think it will be delayed to next year - unfortunately.
Wouldn't mind, there's so many games still releasing this year anyway
I really thought Sony couldn't announce the release date because of their marketing deal with Activision and Call of Duty.
Sony wouldn't want to announce a release date for HFW then delay it when its in the same week as Call of Duty. Spending so much money for marketing deal just to cannibalize their own game with a game they got out of a market deal shouldn't occur at all. Release management is a thing after all. Guess, I was wrong about that.
@GoodGame This is 2021... The game will be delayed and still need constant updates after launch.
It will be 2022, that's what my sources told me anyway. By my sources I mean Herman Hulst when he said in an interview that its not certain, which means its out next year. Don't think Jeff Grubbs special insider sources are required for this one.
I feel like it's just going to be 2022 at this rate. No way in hell will Sony release this game in the crowded fall season.
Darn. I was hoping it wouldn't release in the same year as God of War R and Breath of the Wild 2, which, judging by previous years, will be notorious awards hogs.
I am keeping the faith for 2021...
Sony does not want to Cyberpunk their customers 2 years in a row. Especially with one of their own titles. They'll delay as necessary.
With it being a PS4 title I barely care. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll buy it day one, but, it’s whatever.
I certainly hope it makes it this year but if not then it's cool. We got plenty to play this fall already so I'm not too bothered either way. At least it would setup next year to be a banger year with both this and God of War possibly.
@nessisonett haha, had a solid chuckle. Thanks for that.
Could see it happen but delaying is best if more time is needed. If it does get delayed I think Sony will fill the gap with another Director's Cut (TLoU2 perhaps?).
If it comes this year it could be shortly before Elden Ring which would affect my commitment as Im playing Elden Ring day 1 lol. Chances are I would pause progress which would be annoying as I may forget stuff.
I think lost judgement, ghost dlc, Dying light 2, Far Cry 6, Takes of Arise, etc are enough to make use of playstations until the next exclusive.
I would rather get the playstation exclusives when third party runs dry since playstation is meant to play third party games too.
Grubb couldn't land a correct guess even if his life was on the line.
Hardly surprising but I'm positive it'll be worth the wait!
If be very shocked if this came out this year. I'd bet its probably going to be an April 2022 release.
2022 is going to be absolutely nuts, whether HFW launches then or not
@MFTWrecks Uh...Cyberpunk isn't even a first OR second party Sony release...😓
@Ralizah really good point
Just to be clear, this game never had a release date, correct? I don't mean "2021" or "launch window" or "next year" I mean a date like 9/27/21.
I could see it coming out this year, but I'm 85-15, actually 90-10, 2022.
Must be hard for game devs to decide what to lock behind the next Gen versions, like lip synching. Gotta find a reason for that extra $10 price point.
@TowaHerschel7 I'm well aware. But they are still dealing with the fallout of someone releasing a marque title on their platform and it performing less than acceptably.
My point was they will not let that happen again, ESPECIALLY with one of their own titles.
Has nothing to do with whether CDPR is a first or second party developer.
I hate Jeff Grubb
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Can you really delay a game that never actually had a release date?
@nessisonett they're gonna make aloy happy? Sounds weird, but okay.
There is a reason I don't follow and avoid podcasts etc that Jeff Grubb is on because of course Horizon could be delayed, the same could be said for Halo and many other games. If you're going to publish his crap rumors put so in the title so I don't waste my time. Only so many of these posts I can take before I find a site that doesn't jump on every ,It's a slow news week, rumor mill, click bait headlines.
@nessisonett "Turned"? My Aloy was already gay. If only I'd had some romance options to act on it.
I'll assume it to be delayed if we don't get a release date in August.
@nessisonett She always struck me as being asexual.
@PossibLeigh That's a good point. She either had no interest in or no time for that BS.
The real tragedy here is that 2022 is set to be of of Playstation's best years ever with this, God of War and GT7, not none of them will even be in the running for game of the year because of Breath of the Wild2.
I’m really looking forward to this game, but honestly September and October are so stacked that I don’t know if I’d mind or not because I’d possibly still be working on all those. I’m getting nervous about 2022 having too many games now though! Lol. I can only play so much at once! I just wish they’d tell us though. I think transparency is nice to have.
In all honesty I'm seeing a Feb/March 2022 release window.
If they had the confidence this was going to hit 2021, they would at least commit to 'Fall 2021' rather than dead silence.
The last we heard from Herman Hulst is they are trying for 2021 but won't rule out a delay until 2022 if quality demands it.
A 2022 release would mean PS5 has a poor line-up for the rest of the year, but 2022 could be something magical!
If this ends up true then 2022 is going to be the best year in gaming history with all these delays lol
Day One, whenever it finally launches.
If a 2022 release means more people get to play it on PS5 then that's fine by me, I've got more than enough games to last me for the rest of 2021.
Of course it will be delayed. They won’t announce it officially until nearer the release date because they still need to sell consoles with the false hope that one of the most anticipated games is still coming later this year. If people know it’s not coming, people will wait.
At this point, Playstation just needs to have a State of Play to confirm their slate for the rest of 2021.
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@PossibLeigh This is the correct answer.
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And now Aloy loses another GOTY to Zelda. Poor girl can't catch a break
Best Playstation related news I've heard in a while honestly. I neither want to hassle with trying to find a PS5 nor is this a good time for me to be buying a console anyway. Spring 2022 looks good though. Or better anyway.
Bah, was looking forward to playing this game this year, ah well I'm sure there will be something else to hold me over till then 😔😔
@fR_eeBritney I can’t tell if you are joking or not but this game being delayed isn’t going to stop people wanting a PS5. These things are flying off the shelf as is and HZ:FW is also available on PS4 so it’s not a huge reason for people to buy the PS5.
@uptownsoul From a cheapskate perspective the sooner they release PS5 games the more likely they are to be cheaper when I can get a PS5 easily.
This is fine. Take the time you need. Better to be polished than be the next Cyberpunk
Man....Sony really need to not announce games until 5 minutes before they are set to release.
Eh, it's expected. In fact, with all these delays, you would think gaming companies would be wise to announce a release date, at least until a game is guaranteed on a working state
@nessisonett Well I do ship her and Talanah so no complaints here 😅
Hahahahahahaha. Who is surprised? No one, literally no one. It's fine. 2023 will be the best year to get a ps5.
Most of the times delays are good. In Sony's case, a delay on their IPs is always a good delay. Unlike CD Projekt Red.
I want to play the game badly, but as a current supporting industry dev.
They feel they need a delay, so its best for them and us to have a delay
They need more time to try and make Aloy at least a bit interesting 🤣
I enjoyed the first game thanks the world and its gameplay but my god the story was awful and characters bland.
@Reeneman they'll have a blockbuster ready for xmas - that joyous and jubilant game's remake, the last of us part 2, native ps5.
@Ichiban
Well.... same for Microsoft. Did they even release a game they announced in the last 2 years?? Just proving a point. At least sony shipped at least 5 first party games so far on ps5. Damn probably at least 10 games to this point
I believe this, nearly every games delayed to 2022. I hope aloy use this delay to exercise so she’s slimmer than the last cg trailer though 😛
@TheDudeElDuderino haha really? Do you think so?
I think that would be a bit disappointing then. At least it should be a so called directors cut with an additional Singleplayer extension.
@Yaycandy wait until E3! All will be mind blowing on the worlds most powerful console!!
@Danloaded ok so probably the native and fixed Cyberpunk 2077 is my game for Q4 2021.
@nessisonett I figured they needed to put her on a diet looking at the last trailer.
@Reeneman lol fixed
You know what would cushion the blow, a nice 60fps update for Zero Dawn
@Yaycandy Who said anything about Microsoft?
But now that you've brought them up, they have Halo Infinite & Forza Horizon 5 lined up for the holiday season this year. Not to mention Flight Simulator just dropped, to great reviews.
A real pet peeve, but hey look at them over there!
Nooooooooo!!!!
Yes, damn it, that is all I have to say!
bloomberg no thanks 🤦♀️
I think Covid situation in Netherlands has just gotten worse so yeah, this might be true unfortunately.
@nessisonett is that a real rumour or are you just messing with us
Maybe waiting to get a PS5 until 2022 was smart afterall...
For those worried about BOTW2 there’s a very good chance that it will slip to 2023. Covid is a pandemic and it’s ramifications are just too numerous.
Personally any game launching right now is a miracle.
@AdamNovice I’d settle for the 60fps patch! I’ve been holding off replaying it in the hope that it does drop sometime soon. The Witcher 3 next gen patch sometime this year too so maybe that could pass some time... it’s a shame if it is delayed but there’s plenty going on for me to not feel like I’m missing out too much.
We've all known this to be coming
Freaking damn it.
And now I must ask exactly how much time Guerilla lost in porting HZD to PC...
looks at the huge back log she has
I'm ok with this news!
Anytime there’s a new gen launched it doesn’t start to “get kicking” until the second year anyway. Even the second year isn’t that great in terms of numbers of quality games released, but it’s damn sight better than the first. It’s the 3rd year where it finally hits full speed and releases the numbers and the quality were used to. Gettin this game any earlier than that is a blessing
I guess that means GOTY is between tiny-niche Returnal, default-choice Halo Infinite, and guaranteed-to-win Skyward Sword Copypasta?
@Ralizah What makes you think GoW2 will be in 2022?
@CielloArc
That post didn't age well my friend.
@NEStalgia
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-06-02-god-of-war-ragnarok-delayed-into-next-year-now-confirmed-for-release-on-ps4
This makes this years game of the year so interesting. Think this is the first time I find it somewhat difficult to predict.
Btw, the best games are it takes two, returnal, ratchet and clank, hitman 3, re8, monster hunter rise.
There's no clear defined winner and I think either of these (except maybe re8 and hitman 3) could win. I would personally go for monster hunter rise first and it takes two second.
Anybody want to make a prediction?
@NEStalgia
I wouldn't bet on those. Last year Hades blew away the likes of TLoU2 and Ghost of Tsushima for GOTY honours. This year there's Death's Door, Forza Horizon 5 and we might still have a surprise game launch to sweep us gamers off our feet. I don't see Returnal as GOTY. Ratchet maybe.
Good, kinda, gives me time to finish the first one.
I personally have Death’s Door at the top of my GoTY list right now. Amazing game!
@gollumb82 I would recommend you to check out this website: gameawards.net
Hades was probably closer than any other indie game has ever been to winning the most gotys but nowhere close to tlou2.
Disappointing and from a competitive stand point makes Xbox Series X the much more enticing Holiday buy for people looking to enter the current gen with Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5. PS5's had the better start but still needed something big for the Fall shopping season.
@gollumb82 Hades cleaned up well, but (unfortunately) TLoU2 seemed to win pretty much everything every time I saw awards. (I don't agree with the result, but hipsters gonna' hipster.)
And yeah, Returnal was a joke. But....on this site....I probably should have clarified it because 40% of posters probably think it's the sure fire winner all 600,000 AAA blockbuster copies later.
@Ralizah Yeah, GoW2 is confirmed for 2022. After it was confirmed for 2021. Along with HzD2, GT7, Hogwarts, Stray......
What makes you think GoW2 will be in 2022?
@reek @NEStalgia
Fine. I stand corrected. Still, it's amazing that an indie game gave TLoU2 a run for its money in terms of sheer recognition. I have yet to play Hades but it comes to GP soon so I'll check it out.
As for TLoU2, I think it deserved all those awards (I feel it's an unpopular opinion here, contrary to what NEStalgia said).
@Reeneman for sure, dude, and you are right, they'll call it director's cut. They will also have tlou p2 multiplayer but i think they'll release that as a standalone installer.
@gollumb82 Just remember its an indie game and its really addictive once you get into it. Kinda like more addictive 'runs' than returnal.
As for tlou2 hate, that's everywhere where the core gaming community is. The vocal minority makes sure to let everybody know how much they hate it. But personally, I think it speaks more for the game when it gets so much praise while also being so much hated by a core. Shows they took creative risks and then delivered rather than a safer, predictable product that would be liked by all.
@NEStalgia GoW2 is not going to see 2022, just no way. GoW development ate 4 years and they had just one platform to worry about. The game came out in 2018 and the team for sure did not start their work on the next one in 2018, so 2019 at best. There is no way that thing is coming out any time in the next 17 months (game development under covid conditions, two platforms etc.), yeah, no, man.
@reek how cute that you think THAT was brave and not the safer, predictable product. Oh, sweet, sweet, child.
Why did you remove the first comment by @nessisonett
Can we not have a laugh at a clear joke anymore at PushSquare? @shogunrok
Or was it reported for being offensive so how 😂
@NEStalgia GoW R being delayed two years in a row seems unlikely. Although, if you want to get pedantic, nothing is ever actually confirmed to release in any year until it goes gold.
The only game on that list I'd be unsure about is BotW2. "Targeting [x year]" for Zelda games usually means a delay into the following year.
@TheDudeElDuderino Actually while interesting I wasn't that amazed (I thought plenty of other stories ,particularly in novels, had done this kind of "subversion" before) but my hype might have been too high given the hatred towards it. (Yeah, the hate made me think it was going to be more unique admittedly).
However, with that said, for a 'big project' I think it was still somewhat confident. And it did piss off an army of very vocal people while getting acclaim which itself is very impressive in some ways.
@TheDudeElDuderino A safer, more predictable product would probably be Ellie and Joel hanging around and saving each other (deus ex machina). OR 'evil' person who ****** Joel being the big boss at the end. So in that sense, it was definetly gutsy. Why, what would have been the 'brave' story in your opinion?
I am hoping that Sony at least has something on the docket for PS5 for the holiday season. I mean, I’m pretty thrilled with my gaming line-up for September and October and I could probably float through to 2022 without needing much in November or December, but it is bad optics for the Holiday season to be a showdown between Halo and the Gen 4 Pokémon remake. I’m mean, that sort of clearly puts Halo and Xbox in pole position for most people… except for me, who is most excited about the holiday release of Advance Wars. Still, I want to keep my PS5 healthy and active. I’d like to see the Q4 lineup. Hoping we get an announcement in August.
@reek
Could not agree more about TLoU2! 👍
@Jacko11 I don’t really mind. It was a pretty low bar joke.
@Jacko11 Sorry! Yeah, I don't think it's that the comment was particularly bad, we know @nessisonett isn't around to cause trouble, but it was giving people an excuse to say some stupid stuff. Hopefully you understand!
No surprise if true but I was hoping for the end of this year. I'm looking at all the RPG releases for 2022 like Crimson Desert, Forspoken, Hogwarts Legacy, GoW for starters and shaking my head in pity for my wallet.
Mmmmmm, that leaves Sony with no big AAA exclusive for Christmas and Xbox with Halo and Forza Horizon 5.
But then thinking about it there are not enough consoles available to sell anyway so does it matter at this stage.
If Xbox can make more consoles and with those two exclusives at Christmas, they definitely could take advantage. But then again Microsoft makes less series x consoles currently than Sony do PS5.
It’s all good fun.
@Ralizah corporate (Jimbo) keeps throwing around release dates for things that have zero chance of releasing to build a certain image. Cory basically said "whenever we're darn well ready, that's when it'll release"..... I'm not really expecting 2022 at all.
@TheDudeElDuderino Yep, exactly what I'm thinking!
@Deadhunter Sometimes I wish I were asexual. Would make being single and ugly much less concerning!
@nessisonett Yay, me?
OOF. Super rough for Sony, they don't have anything exciting left for 2021, and with Halo and Gamepass...really bad imo! This could be another huge step for Xbox
@TheDudeElDuderino I’ll take you words
@AFCC I don’t think that Halo will be that good. It will be good yes, but nothing special.
their just right no point rushing it.
Anyone that thought horizon, gran turismo and god of war would release this year is an idiot
@MatthewJP Out of those 3, I would have said this one was the only one of them that had a real shot at coming out this year. Even without COVID, there would have been basically no chance of the other two. Us having doubts about Horizon coming out as well at least makes the inevitable delay easier to stomach.
Now onto my original comment before I added the above...
Obviously it would be great if it was ready to release at some point before the end of the year given that this is my most anticipated game, but if this becomes official, it's not something that's unexpected.
Also obvious that some people will blow this completely out of proportion like other things have been of late, but it is what it is. It doesn't change the fact that us that have a PS5 are lucky, and it won't change the fact that this will be a strong contender for Game of the Year regardless of what year it releases in.
One positive is that I'll play more of the releases that come out starting next month when the volume of big releases start. Tales of Arise and Kena should both be quite good, and I'm too lazy to look up more right now.
For me, the delay of Horizon will make this one of the worst years in gaming I can remember.
@Nessisonett Tbf it was pretty low bar 😂
@Shogunrok nar of course, does makes sense now you mention it
Schreier and Grubb are massive tools, but I believe their reporting. They're rarely wrong when it comes to leaking info.
God of war and horizon in 2022 it is then.word up son
I'm still hoping it's not delayed - but I'd rather have to wait until 2022 than get Horizon: 2077 this year. I expect most everyone can agree with that.
Yes, that's my contribution - call every game "Name of Game 2077" for the next year or two. After that, people will forget and will start acting like idiots over every game delay all over again, until someone else releases a half-baked game and generates a ton of bad feelings and press.
@MFTWrecks The Firstparty titles are always high quality. I rather wait a few months then get a Ubisoft, EA, Activision release.
@blinx01
Confirmation from another gossiper but still no confirmation form Sony.
My comment still stands.
Super excited for Horizon, but I have Battlefield, Forza Horizon 3, and Halo to play this fall, so I’m good waiting until next year. There’s really no shortage of games.
Ahh whatever happens happens I have a ton to get through and I just started Monster Hunter Rise anyway for the Okami Armour and I absolutely love it so I'll be occupied with this game for a long time to come. If this game is delayed so be it, better a finished functioning product than a rushed one.
Also I hope you don't mind me asking but what did Nessisonett say? my curiosity always gets the better of me.
Well that sucks. It would be nice to get something official from Sony if true.
@art_of_the_kill Think the pandemic will have contributed more then a PC port
I think most of us expected 2021 to be a year for the smaller indies while all the massive AAA games were delayed to 2022. Next year will be a very exciting year!
@nessisonett ‘s comment got banned? BOOOOOOOO!!! One of the best posters.
So we are getting a AAA ps4 game in 2022? And then we get gow5 which is another ps4 game in 2023? This generation is super exciting lol
I’m still at Ghost of Tsushima and Tales of Arise on my list.
I want to play it as much as the next person... but this was never even relevant till months from now one way or another.
I hope they don't expect me to be satisfied buying Madden and Fifa or something. Obviously it's a shame that it's getting delayed but what exactly do we have to look forward to from Sony now? I've got a PS5 and all I've played on it are PS4 games, Besides Hitman which has been killing it with content updates btw
Just another thing to prove that you really don’t need a PS5 until next year.
Damn, not a surprise, but certainly a disappointment.
If it's confirmed, that's fine. Doesn't bother me waiting a little more time, and still got games to finish in the mean time.
@reek that would have been the least safe way to go. The thing is, tlou2 is full of faux bravery in writings fueled by hipsters salivating over unleashed beardman.
What would have been a brave tlou2 imo?
This:
Spend more time showing us Abby's father and his relentless (wrong) conviction that he can save the human race by dissecting people resistant to infection. He put that goal above remaining human. Don't idolise him, humanise him. Spend more time showing us how Abby actually idolised him and how their relationship was good.
Let us live through the shock of Abby losing her only parent (she should have been a hidden witness unable to move and scared for her life). From then on she is obsessed with revenge.
Bring some reality into the story. Show Ellie actually being a part of surviving human community. She is still lesbian but throughout her growing up she does go through what they did with Dina. Ellie would have had a boyfriend and would have become a mom, because that's what you do in an apocalypse if humanity is to restore itself, people will birth new children. This would of course make Ellie deeply sad as she would NOT be able to openly consume her love to Dina (let's face it, in a world where all civilization advances are lost, there would be zero tolerance for anything out of the norm and you would have authoritarian form of government in any setup). Then, as a parent, Ellie would find out about being lied to but would take this news as an adult and not as a child understanding what lengths you'd go through to save your child. Her bond with Joel grows stronger.
@reek
THEN you let Abby have her revenge. But let Joel have a dignified death, he should be older, weaker and well cognisant of his sins, the situation must be such that he accepts his faith, makes a move to actively remove Ellie from the scene, knowing that he has it coming, and forgives Abby (who is still blinded by rage of revenge) for what she is about to do. Abby kills Joel quickly but this act actually breaks her as it brings her no joy and no resolution. Ellie manages to get there too late and is defeated by Abby who spares her life and tells her what Joel did to her.
Abby goes back to her band. Ellie back to hers.
Tommy swears revenge and goes hunting for Abby.
Ellie is sent to bring Tommy back.
This part would play out pretty much the same with Ellie having some nice moments with Dina but they sadly know they can't have the life they wished for. People are the actual monsters angle etc.
Abby misunderstands Ellie's involvement and we have a showdown pretty close to what we had in the game WITHOUT Ellie murdering a pregnant woman but surely murdering some of Abby's friends BUT it would have been as a result of big misunderstanding as is the whole showdown of this part. It's less about people being obsessed by rage and more people failing at trying to do good because of lack of trust and the baggage of history.
The part when Abby is coming to terms with her demons and her sins (including killing Joel) would be parts where she meets the trans boy and his sister. That's an opportunity to show the struggles of that with the thing DEFINITELY NOT ending in the only trans character murdering their mother. No, that mother should have been shown as going through the difficulties herself as well.
The end game of Ellie finding Abby imprisoned and tortured would still happen but Ellie would not be there driven by hate but coming to terms with who Joel was and driven by "I was, although not willingly, a part, a reason why this girl lost her father" so she would actually be trying to find and rescue Abby and after their unification they both go at it to end that slaveowning bunch of *****. We would need some coming to terms that they both had not ideal fathers/father figures but as the next generation they find a way to move forward.
Obviously, this is written like ***** right here and there are a lot of places to work out who, why how and driving motivation etc. etc. but my belief is that they went the easy cheesy cheap cheap way with a lot of pandering to what is seen as being progressive today with no real depth and courage. I know it looks like it was but it ain't IMO.
Picked up a Series S today - perfect timing
Schreier? I'm weary after he said this game wouldn't be on PS4. I'll wait for the official confirmation
With this probably delayed and no real PS5 exclusives lined up for the next nine months im sooo glad I haven't bought a PS5 to this point.
Thank you so much Sony for causing your own problems, with the existence of the PC version of the original, so that months of development time that should have went into the new sequel were wasted.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2021/01/horizon_forbidden_west_production_efforts_boosted_as_pc_patches_wind_down
@The_New_Butler I have been thinking about getting a series s, but bit unsure as I read it doesn't do true 4k and some games don't run well on it, and that maybe once the true next gen games come it will probably struggle. But I think if I was to get one it would be just for a few games on gamepass, do you think it's worth getting for something alongside the ps5? Or would you just wait for a price drop for X?
@The_New_Butler sweet thanks mate, yea it would mostly be for gamepass and a few games, think I would still use the ps5 as main machine but use the s for games like Hades and few other Xbox games on gamepass. Might pick one up soon.
@NEStalgia I don't think Infinite will be eligible for GotY, with Forza Horizon 5 launching November 9th it seems likely that Infinite would launch early December where the cutoff point for eligible GotY has been mid-November in the past. My guess for GotY nominees if HFW is delayed are:
Maybe SMTV gets the slot over Ratchet & Clank but doubt it as SMT is a lot more niche than Persona.
@Reeneman Like always to be honest! But people praise it a lot. The original trilogy is fine but not the masterpiece people claim to be. But still Halo vs NOTHING is bad for Sony
@PossibLeigh Oof, man, I can relate to that. If you need to talk, just say so.
@Daleaf
I also have a PS5/Series S combo and I'm very happy with it. What you'll get out of Game Pass largely depends on if you like Xbox first party games and/or indies/low profile games. And there's a lot of those on GP. I enjoyed some of them more than AAA+ games. For me my Series S is also a great backwards compatibility machine for games from PS3/X360 era. Just today I played Banjo Kazooie with my daughter and it was a blast It's also nice to see what quick resume is and wonder why Sony hasn't implemented something similar yet.
@AFCC The original Halo trilogy are some of the best rated and most played games of their day. Unless you are using some arbitrary metric to class games as "masterpieces" (which in all honesty, is a pretty much the only way people use that term) then I think the original trilogy class as masterpieces.
@gollumb82 Yea I have ordered one from Amazon today arriving tomorrow 😁, yea will mostly use it for indie games and Xbox exclusive games and a few backwards compatible games, think it might save me some money in the long run, and just use the ps5 for exclusive games and true next gen games. Did have a look at gamepass games and there are a few that I want to give a go to so will be playing that tomorrow just got to decide what to play first lol.
@RainbowGazelle Aw, cheers, buddy! Self deprecating humour is kinda my thing. 🤭 I've actually got a lady, but haven't seen her in over a year due to the pandemic. In the UK I'm considered sub standard, in China I'm a blonde haired god! Confidence in oneself is key.
I found the original to be a typical overrated open-world affair so I'm not heartbroken about the delay for this personally, but I'm sorry for those who are looking forward to it of course. 2022 is going to be a big year for PlayStation, that's for sure.
@RubyCarbuncle He joked that they were gonna turn Aloy gay and then put, like, 20 different scared / vomiting emojis.
As he's said he's bi himself before in posts, he was obviously joking that this would be a bad thing, but it wasn't up to his usually level for sure.
Possibly a bit overly sensitive of the mods, but storm in a tea cup really.
@Daleaf
Congrats! I'm sure you'll like it. It is easy to be overwhelmed when you first fire up Game Pass. Add the games you want to play to a list. It really helps. Cheers
Thanks mate, yea I'm going to have to try and download only what I want to play then move on, it will be hard tomorrow as everything will be new and want to play everything lol, but I think it will be a great companion to the ps5 just for indie games or games I'm not too sure I will enjoy and some exclusive games.
@Grumblevolcano That's a rediculously bad gotta list! R&C would win it all because it's the most movie like, and that's just hilarious. Even as a massive R&C fan, that's just wrong lol
I'm still working through Returnal. Made it to the third Biome boss and got killed after the floor broke apart. I'm at 25% on Ratchet & Clank and haven't completed a mission on Miles Morales. I know Demon Souls and Sackboy are on sale right now, but given my backlog and the aforementioned games, I'm waiting for a deeper cut before I buy them. All this to say...Horizon can wait. Polish it up and make it glorious, as Sony does.
I anticipate more delays to come, across all platforms. Halo Infinite in 4 months? They couldn't even launch the technical test without a full server reset...and that's a technical test. More akin to an Alpha than a Beta. Bethesda? If Deathloop launches in September, I will be surprised. Ghostwire has already been delayed to early 2022, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it push out further. Starfield for November 2022? This is the first Xbox console exclusive from the $7.5 billion acquisition, so I'm sure the crunch is intense on this one...but it won't launch in 2022.
Is it true that this has been delayed to make Aloy gay?
The lack of transparency and extremely consumer unfriendly stance from Sony amidst this awful console launch have been what's most frustrating.
They sold a console initially on the promise of these game releases and certain functionalities. Yet in terms of the games they drag out announcing delays clearly to ensure the overhype doesn't die down. As far as functionalities, we are just now seeing the storage expansion promised, nearly a year later, and VRR still is nowhere to be found. Not to mention that the ps5 doesn't support the entirety of HDMI 2.1 bandwidth, and cant hide the many technical issues we are experiencing in terms of widespread crashing, and HDR issues for much longer.
Its this nonsense that is irritating. It's irritating to have Sony vaguely perpetuate hype with this game specifically by saying its likely to release this fall, all the while more likely knowing it never was going to. It's important to understand that delays are not always for the reason of creating a quality finished product. They are often to maximize profits or strategically give space in time to compel consumers to buy other games, much like movie release dates, and what Ubisoft does every year
I suspect Kena, and horizon are examples of this, and I'm tired of it. God of War on the other hand was never going to release this year, that was just a blatant attempt at hype selling consoles. It's insane to me to think as a loyal fan of Sony since the PS1, that I have actually considered just setting this console aside for a while, and for the first time ever, pickup the other console...
@Saucymonk
Is she not happy enough?
@KundaliniRising333
To be fair, Sony launched the PS5 with more games than most PlayStation launches. Astrobot, Miles Morales, Demons Souls, Sackboy...followed by Destruction Allstars, Returnal and Ratchet & Clank. The competition launched with literally nothing, unless you consider The Medium (coming to PlayStation Sept. 3) a system seller.
I do agree that I would like to see VRR implemented as promised, but reading the Digital Foundry reviews, the PS5 is pretty stable at 60FPS. It's the Xbox that struggles and needs VRR (which it has).
Right now Sony's target release dates all have ZERO credibility.
@Oscarjpc exactly. I would go on to suggest sony itself has zero credibility. What I think happened here, is that sony saw right of the bat, that the demand for the PS5 was so high, that all focus then became on making more and maximizing profit on that front. No more communication, push back releases, delay updating functionalities and watch the dollars roll in.
They no longer need a reason to sell their console, hype and FOMO alone are doing that.
@PossibLeigh Ah, good to hear. Sucks about the pandemic, of course. Stay safe, and hopefully you can see your lady again soon!
Dont mind a delay, as I wouldnt have Day 1'd it anyway, due to the fact I've got too much glorious gaming on my plate already! Making my way through Metro Exodus PS5 edition and Blasphemous, plus still awaiting that PS5 version of Cyberpunk at Christmas (CDProjekt Red
xmas present?).
@Oscarjpc
Since June 2020 we've seen Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us 2, Astrobot, Demon Souls, Miles Morales, Sackboy, Destruction Allstars, Returnal, and Ratchet & Clank.
That's a pretty solid slate of games, especially considering that the "competition" hasn't released anything, outside a flight sim, in that time.
@RainbowGazelle Cheers, buddy!
@Richnj I rate the OG between 7 and 8. It's good, but not as good as they say! Rose tinted glasses are always a problem
@AFCC Well what games are you categorising as masterpieces?
@lacerz lol
@Cyxn1d3 will be march 22
RIP Horizon 2's 2021 release window, we hardly knew ye.
Hopefully this will be the final delay though.
@Richnj The Last of Us 1. Metal Gear Solid 1. Many my point is, a masterpiece is a game you can play YEARS after and still be as good as it was...Halo aged really poorly, imo
@AFCC "imo"
I think that part is the key here though.
I think the people calling Halo a masterpiece do, in their opinion, think it's a masterpiece.
And there's plenty of parts of MSG1 that aged poorly.
@Richnj I think there might be someone in the world thinking that any particular game is a masterpiece. But yeah people that say that about Halo haven't played it recently maybe...
I will always stand by my point, I don't think Xbox ever had a masterpiece but they have some great franchises
@PossibLeigh Ahh right.
@RubyCarbuncle Having now read the community rules myself, it may have been the multitude of emojis that did it.
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