@TDHorizon I also wasted my time during that era. A lot of which was spent on those trend setting games. I also missed out on those classic PS1 and PS2 RPGs, and my wallet is paying for it dearly.
@TDHorizon We can go even further than that. Doom clones were dime a dozen on the PC. The PS2 bargain bins were full of God of War rip offs. The PS1 had loads of Crash Bandicoot clones. Even back in the 1980s, everyone was trying to rip off Pac Man and Space Invaders.
The gaming industry has always been a trend chasing industry.
@Titntin Game Freak have always done this. They have a surprisingly large portfolio of non Pokemon games, though their track record has been mixed overall. Drill Dozer is easily their best non Pokemon game, and it's very hard to find nowadays.
Not the best Game Freak game, but not the worst one either. You do have to respect them though for allowing their developers to do something original, and not kept them in the Pokemon mines forever.
Yeah, I think he can pull it off. Probably a more exciting casting choice than his predecessor (with all due respect to his injury, I hope he recovers quickly).
I still think this series is going in the wrong direction by starting with the Norse games, but Bautista is a good choice to play Norse Kratos.
@DennisReynolds Fully in agreement. For as slow as the generation started, people forget that the PS4 generation also started super slow, in fact I would argue that it's start was significantly worse.
@sanderson72 I'm curious as to why your collection is so small. Even if a lot of games are crossplay, I would've thought you would've chosen to get the games on PS5 in comparison to PS4.
@cainhurst94 I have a lot of problems with that Venom. Him not being in it until the 3/4 mark (arguably 4/5 mark) is just the starting point.
I just think that Insomniac missed the mark with him though. The biggest being that it's not Eddie Brock but Harry Osborne. Some may argue it's just a name change, but to me the change ruins a lot of the subtleties that made Venom so great.
Venom is essentially the bigger, badder Spider-Man, and a lot of that is reflected in Brock. Brock is middle aged man, Parker is a young man. Brock is jacked, Parker on the surface is not. Brock is a journalist, Parker is merely a photographer. Brock should have more authority on the social ladder compared to Parker.
Even compare it to Spectacular Spider-Man where Brock was much younger. He had just left high school, but at that age, a few years is more than enough for that difference in authority to be felt.
It may feel like nitpicking, but to me, this was a huge reason why Venom was so scary. Oh, and they got the perfect voice actor for him, and they barely used him.
I will say that historically Microsoft have been much worse than Sony or Nintendo in getting the prices lowered. Having said that, the next gen systems are going to have a rough time trying to get people excited.
@species that’s not exactly true. There’s a lot of money to make from physical. The problem is that there’s even more to made from digital.
It’s weird corporation logic where instead of letting a profitable part of the business continue, it can be better to kill it entirely and use the money on something that may or may not work, but if it works, it will make even more money.
It’s the same logic that leads to beloved single player developers into the live service mines.
@Fyz306903 that certainly seems to be the strategy. But in that case, I find it VERY peculiar that they’d make a decision that would anger the sort of people who Sony would wish to target with this device.
@FuzzieGinge88 well…it’s very easy to buy blu ray instead of Netflix if you want to. A few months, and I’ll probably have Brand New Day on blu ray.
And yeah, we are a minority, but that doesn’t mean that our opinions aren’t important. If you dislike Sony for pushing ahead with it’s live service plans instead of narrative based single player games, you too are part of a minority.
She does make a comment about saying how they need to think about how to address that feedback. All we can hope for is that thinking actually results in something tangeible.
@Swandivetotheasphalt @Splat No, they don’t, and I readily admit that. If PlayStation 6 is going to fail, it won’t be because of a hashtag, it will be because the product is undesirable. Given the online backlash is still going on (and I don’t expect it to really end at this point) Sony will need to do something to make PS6 desirable, because it isn’t going to be with price.
@tangyzesty it’s not just a matter of walking things back. And you’re right, they’re no obligated to say anything,
The problem is that whenever a company doesn’t fill in all the details, people tend to fill in the blanks themselves. We see this all the time with console specs, and we’re seeing it here now with the PS store.
Considering that Sony has not communicated anything at all, I’m willing to bet that they have no plans at all to improve it, and the company has given me any assurances or good will to convince me otherwise.
@Northern_munkey well the problem there is that because they decided to remain silent, the forfeited any opportunity to take control of the narrative. Even if they didn’t backpedal, they couldve at least made a vague statement about promising to improve the digital purchasing experience.
By going silent, others have written the narrative for Sony, pretty much all of the. Painting them in an antagonistic light. Maybe Sony was hoping for it to blow over, but heading into August, the anger is still loud and intense. There is zero chance that it’s going away. This narrative is staying for a long long time, and Sony staying quiet makes them look tone deaf. Not saying that it is the case, but it looks like the case.
@Dragon83 I’m not sure how doable that is due to how licensing works, but this is something that Sony and Xbox need to get on top of. Both companies internally develop huge games with licensed content. Microsoft can’t even keep their Forza games alive for six years.
My worry is that PlayStation don’t intend on making any changes. But to add my two cents…..
It needs to be more accessible worldwide. This isn’t thinking about what I want, there are gamers out there in countries where PSN isn’t supported, and will have to risk Sony’s terms of service just to be able to continue to play games.
I’m sure that isn’t a large market, but those people have just as much rights to play the latest and greatest than somebody living in Europe or America.
@Grumblevolcano That is the truely worrying part. People want them to act "come on men, here's our one last hurrah" but some companies may be like "discs are dead in 2028, don't bother."
And if Sony are like "you bough discs? sucks to be you" then they'd come across totally unhinged.
@Glotny I understand that this a topic that is getting pretty much all the attention. I understand that it's making gaming seem like a very negative place right now.
The problem is that for many of us, commenting on the issue is the best way to get out our frustrations and our anger. And that's not going to go away...not while Sony is keeping tight lipped.
@PuppetMaster This is why I hate the "it's a vocal minority" argument. If we treat every backlash as a "vocal minority" then every single PlayStation studio would be making their own Fortnite right now. And we'd have no right to complain, because gamers who don't play the same game for years, and buying tonnes of microtransactions are in the minority.
Personally I would've thought that the price it would cost any company to put out a disc in 2027 would heavily outweigh the fan backlash they'll receive if they decide to go digital only that year.
@Flaming_Kaiser Really? I'm struggling to think of a recent Capcom game that ISN'T all on the disc on day one. I was even lucky enough to get RE4 Remake early, and I was already at the island before the game was even officially out.
@Imaculado_Lord it’s not quite as simple as that. If the PS6 doesn’t get off to a strong launch, it could end up like the Wii U, especially as I doubt Sony can show anything that can convert any doubters.
@Ryu_Niiyama it should also be noted that in the past, people would buy games for their systems. I know it sound “duh” but you need to remember that a lot of casuals don’t buy any games nowadays. They just play Fortnite or other free to play games.
@LogicStrikesAgain it should be noted that historically, Xbox has been much worse in being able to manufacture their systems for cheap. Not my words, that’s what former executive Laura Fryer said.
In this current market, PlayStation need to gain the confidence of its hardcore fans. It needs to make the PS6 as attractive as possible, especially at that price, however they seem to be doing the exact opposite of that. If Sony want to reverse course on their reputation, they need to start talking.
If this was released ten years ago, it would’ve been a sales juggernaut, but Halo has been given too many chances. Not that it’s still popular, but it isn’t the king of all gaming like it was in the 00s.
@The_Jobbo I get you, I really do. The way I see it, Sony's at fault for taking the fun out of the hobby for most of us who are complaining. And sadly, the comments sections for the most part are the only way we can vent our frustrations.
I do want to make a point though about the all games on disc. I own 53 PS5 games not from Limited Run, and all of them bar 3 run just fine off of the disc. However, as you've noted, none of those games are of the COD or Fortnite variety (though it does have a lot of AAA in it).
This might surprise you though (it certainly did me)...EA's Fifa games (or whatever they call it nowadays) are all playable from the disc.
@Cry_Zero Look, I'm as pro physical as you can get, but Capcom can't lie about these numbers to their stakeholders, otherwise they'd be liable for fraud.
I do think that the numbers are a little bit misrepresented here. More than 60% of the sales were all on PC, so the numbers we should be looking at are the 32% of console games that were sold. Of that 32%, about a fifth of them were physical.
@For-Kier I can’t say I agree there. I think the ending would be a lot more hollow if it were given as a choice, not to mention that if there was a Part 3, they would have to either ignore the ending of 2, or decide to make the choice for them in order to make that narrative.
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Re: Reminder: The PS5 Release Schedule Is About to Become the Busiest It's Ever Been
For me it’s Rayman, Onimusha and Ace Combat. Also hoping to finally play Hollow Knight Silksong in October once the physical release comes out.
Re: Beast of Reincarnation (PS5) - Pokémon Dev's Flower Power Action RPG Is Nearly in Full Bloom
@Dalamar Agreed. Stellar Blade lacks a lot of other aspects that makes souls likes a souls like, but it does have those elements.
Re: Beast of Reincarnation (PS5) - Pokémon Dev's Flower Power Action RPG Is Nearly in Full Bloom
@Dalamar To be fair, Stellar Blade does have souls like elements, though I agree that it isn't a souls like overall.
Re: Beast of Reincarnation (PS5) - Pokémon Dev's Flower Power Action RPG Is Nearly in Full Bloom
@TDHorizon I also wasted my time during that era. A lot of which was spent on those trend setting games. I also missed out on those classic PS1 and PS2 RPGs, and my wallet is paying for it dearly.
Re: Beast of Reincarnation (PS5) - Pokémon Dev's Flower Power Action RPG Is Nearly in Full Bloom
@TDHorizon We can go even further than that. Doom clones were dime a dozen on the PC. The PS2 bargain bins were full of God of War rip offs. The PS1 had loads of Crash Bandicoot clones. Even back in the 1980s, everyone was trying to rip off Pac Man and Space Invaders.
The gaming industry has always been a trend chasing industry.
Re: Beast of Reincarnation (PS5) - Pokémon Dev's Flower Power Action RPG Is Nearly in Full Bloom
@Titntin Game Freak have always done this. They have a surprisingly large portfolio of non Pokemon games, though their track record has been mixed overall. Drill Dozer is easily their best non Pokemon game, and it's very hard to find nowadays.
Re: Beast of Reincarnation (PS5) - Pokémon Dev's Flower Power Action RPG Is Nearly in Full Bloom
Not the best Game Freak game, but not the worst one either. You do have to respect them though for allowing their developers to do something original, and not kept them in the Pokemon mines forever.
Re: Ex-Wrestler Dave Bautista in Talks to Take Over from Ryan Hurst as Kratos in God of War TV Show
Yeah, I think he can pull it off. Probably a more exciting casting choice than his predecessor (with all due respect to his injury, I hope he recovers quickly).
I still think this series is going in the wrong direction by starting with the Norse games, but Bautista is a good choice to play Norse Kratos.
Re: Sony's Spider-Man Games Enjoy Player Boost on Back of Brand New Day's Box Office Success
@Starkei for me it’s Neversoft Venom
Re: These New Xbox Prices Are Truly Terrifying for PS6
@sanderson72 May I ask what PS4 games you own? Might help me give you some PS5 reccomendations.
Re: These New Xbox Prices Are Truly Terrifying for PS6
@DennisReynolds Fully in agreement. For as slow as the generation started, people forget that the PS4 generation also started super slow, in fact I would argue that it's start was significantly worse.
Re: These New Xbox Prices Are Truly Terrifying for PS6
@sanderson72 I'm curious as to why your collection is so small. Even if a lot of games are crossplay, I would've thought you would've chosen to get the games on PS5 in comparison to PS4.
Re: Sony's Spider-Man Games Enjoy Player Boost on Back of Brand New Day's Box Office Success
@cainhurst94 I have a lot of problems with that Venom. Him not being in it until the 3/4 mark (arguably 4/5 mark) is just the starting point.
I just think that Insomniac missed the mark with him though. The biggest being that it's not Eddie Brock but Harry Osborne. Some may argue it's just a name change, but to me the change ruins a lot of the subtleties that made Venom so great.
Venom is essentially the bigger, badder Spider-Man, and a lot of that is reflected in Brock. Brock is middle aged man, Parker is a young man. Brock is jacked, Parker on the surface is not. Brock is a journalist, Parker is merely a photographer. Brock should have more authority on the social ladder compared to Parker.
Even compare it to Spectacular Spider-Man where Brock was much younger. He had just left high school, but at that age, a few years is more than enough for that difference in authority to be felt.
It may feel like nitpicking, but to me, this was a huge reason why Venom was so scary. Oh, and they got the perfect voice actor for him, and they barely used him.
Re: Sony's Spider-Man Games Enjoy Player Boost on Back of Brand New Day's Box Office Success
@TrollOfWar There's more chance of me being fluent in dog barks, cat meows and Finnish than Spider-Man 1 EVER getting a Switch port.
Re: Sony's Spider-Man Games Enjoy Player Boost on Back of Brand New Day's Box Office Success
MTS and Wolverine will almost certainly benefit from it.
I think the games are wierd, because they handle some Spider-Man elemets to perfection, but others they drop the ball on. Venom upseted me the most.
Re: These New Xbox Prices Are Truly Terrifying for PS6
@sanderson72 I'm intruiged. From a fellow gamer who really dislikes Sony right now, how many PS5 games do you own? (approximately)
Re: These New Xbox Prices Are Truly Terrifying for PS6
I will say that historically Microsoft have been much worse than Sony or Nintendo in getting the prices lowered. Having said that, the next gen systems are going to have a rough time trying to get people excited.
Re: Could Xbox Get Its Revenge on PS6 by Supporting Physical Games?
@species that’s not exactly true. There’s a lot of money to make from physical. The problem is that there’s even more to made from digital.
It’s weird corporation logic where instead of letting a profitable part of the business continue, it can be better to kill it entirely and use the money on something that may or may not work, but if it works, it will make even more money.
It’s the same logic that leads to beloved single player developers into the live service mines.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 644
@Zuljaras wow! You even have Vspire Kiss on the SNES, I thought that game was more expensive than Sotn, but that’s one hell of a collection.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 644
@Zuljaras ooh, you’re showing off with that Sotn PS1 box. I hope it gets you as much enjoyment as you invested in it.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 644
Will be starting Smash Bros Brawl on a brand new save file.
Re: 'We Are Not Seeing Any Impact on Our Business': Sony Says Physical Disc Backlash Is Having Zero Effect
@dschons if they can somehow license out the discs to Limited Run esque companies, wonderful. Problem solved.
Re: 'We Are Not Seeing Any Impact on Our Business': Sony Says Physical Disc Backlash Is Having Zero Effect
@Fyz306903 that certainly seems to be the strategy. But in that case, I find it VERY peculiar that they’d make a decision that would anger the sort of people who Sony would wish to target with this device.
Re: 'We Are Not Seeing Any Impact on Our Business': Sony Says Physical Disc Backlash Is Having Zero Effect
@FuzzieGinge88 well…it’s very easy to buy blu ray instead of Netflix if you want to. A few months, and I’ll probably have Brand New Day on blu ray.
And yeah, we are a minority, but that doesn’t mean that our opinions aren’t important. If you dislike Sony for pushing ahead with it’s live service plans instead of narrative based single player games, you too are part of a minority.
Re: 'We Are Not Seeing Any Impact on Our Business': Sony Says Physical Disc Backlash Is Having Zero Effect
She does make a comment about saying how they need to think about how to address that feedback. All we can hope for is that thinking actually results in something tangeible.
Re: 'We Are Not Seeing Any Impact on Our Business': Sony Says Physical Disc Backlash Is Having Zero Effect
If they do feel the backlash, it won’t be now. It will be with the PS6. Possibly 2028, but it won’t be now.
Re: Tom Holland Loves The Last of Us 2 So Much He Won't Watch the HBO Series
Never watched the shows, but I did like both games. I think the first game is more consistent, but the second has higher highs.
I’d give both of them 8/10
Re: Sony Knows How You Feel About No More Discs, But It's Not Going to Reverse Course
@Swandivetotheasphalt @Splat No, they don’t, and I readily admit that. If PlayStation 6 is going to fail, it won’t be because of a hashtag, it will be because the product is undesirable. Given the online backlash is still going on (and I don’t expect it to really end at this point) Sony will need to do something to make PS6 desirable, because it isn’t going to be with price.
Re: Sony Knows How You Feel About No More Discs, But It's Not Going to Reverse Course
@AlexPorto in fact, unless I’m getting my facts wrong, the overall sales of physical games is overall higher compared to physical DVDs, vinyl etc.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Re: 8 Ways Sony Must Improve the PS Store for Our All-Digital Future
@tangyzesty it’s not just a matter of walking things back. And you’re right, they’re no obligated to say anything,
The problem is that whenever a company doesn’t fill in all the details, people tend to fill in the blanks themselves. We see this all the time with console specs, and we’re seeing it here now with the PS store.
Considering that Sony has not communicated anything at all, I’m willing to bet that they have no plans at all to improve it, and the company has given me any assurances or good will to convince me otherwise.
Re: 8 Ways Sony Must Improve the PS Store for Our All-Digital Future
@Northern_munkey well the problem there is that because they decided to remain silent, the forfeited any opportunity to take control of the narrative. Even if they didn’t backpedal, they couldve at least made a vague statement about promising to improve the digital purchasing experience.
By going silent, others have written the narrative for Sony, pretty much all of the. Painting them in an antagonistic light. Maybe Sony was hoping for it to blow over, but heading into August, the anger is still loud and intense. There is zero chance that it’s going away. This narrative is staying for a long long time, and Sony staying quiet makes them look tone deaf. Not saying that it is the case, but it looks like the case.
Re: 8 Ways Sony Must Improve the PS Store for Our All-Digital Future
@Snackfood I think you can safely remove the word “secretly” there
Re: 8 Ways Sony Must Improve the PS Store for Our All-Digital Future
@Dragon83 I’m not sure how doable that is due to how licensing works, but this is something that Sony and Xbox need to get on top of. Both companies internally develop huge games with licensed content. Microsoft can’t even keep their Forza games alive for six years.
Re: 8 Ways Sony Must Improve the PS Store for Our All-Digital Future
My worry is that PlayStation don’t intend on making any changes. But to add my two cents…..
It needs to be more accessible worldwide. This isn’t thinking about what I want, there are gamers out there in countries where PSN isn’t supported, and will have to risk Sony’s terms of service just to be able to continue to play games.
I’m sure that isn’t a large market, but those people have just as much rights to play the latest and greatest than somebody living in Europe or America.
Re: Will Final Fantasy 7 Revelation Get a Physical PS5 Edition? Director Can't Confirm Anything Yet
@Grumblevolcano That is the truely worrying part. People want them to act "come on men, here's our one last hurrah" but some companies may be like "discs are dead in 2028, don't bother."
And if Sony are like "you bough discs? sucks to be you" then they'd come across totally unhinged.
Re: Will Final Fantasy 7 Revelation Get a Physical PS5 Edition? Director Can't Confirm Anything Yet
@Judal27 Square Enix went out of their way to print Rebirth on two discs, so I'm presuming they will do.
When it comes to game key releases on PlayStation, the big culprits to keep an eye on are Microsoft, Ubisoft and TakeTwo.
Re: Will Final Fantasy 7 Revelation Get a Physical PS5 Edition? Director Can't Confirm Anything Yet
@Glotny I understand that this a topic that is getting pretty much all the attention. I understand that it's making gaming seem like a very negative place right now.
The problem is that for many of us, commenting on the issue is the best way to get out our frustrations and our anger. And that's not going to go away...not while Sony is keeping tight lipped.
Re: Will Final Fantasy 7 Revelation Get a Physical PS5 Edition? Director Can't Confirm Anything Yet
@PuppetMaster This is why I hate the "it's a vocal minority" argument. If we treat every backlash as a "vocal minority" then every single PlayStation studio would be making their own Fortnite right now. And we'd have no right to complain, because gamers who don't play the same game for years, and buying tonnes of microtransactions are in the minority.
Re: Will Final Fantasy 7 Revelation Get a Physical PS5 Edition? Director Can't Confirm Anything Yet
Personally I would've thought that the price it would cost any company to put out a disc in 2027 would heavily outweigh the fan backlash they'll receive if they decide to go digital only that year.
Re: Amidst Sony's Disc Debacle, Capcom Sales Data Is a Brutal Reality Check for Fans of Physical Media
@Flaming_Kaiser Really? I'm struggling to think of a recent Capcom game that ISN'T all on the disc on day one. I was even lucky enough to get RE4 Remake early, and I was already at the island before the game was even officially out.
Re: This Revelation Should Terrify All Console Fans, Particularly Those Looking Forward to PS6
@Imaculado_Lord it’s not quite as simple as that. If the PS6 doesn’t get off to a strong launch, it could end up like the Wii U, especially as I doubt Sony can show anything that can convert any doubters.
Re: This Revelation Should Terrify All Console Fans, Particularly Those Looking Forward to PS6
@Ryu_Niiyama it should also be noted that in the past, people would buy games for their systems. I know it sound “duh” but you need to remember that a lot of casuals don’t buy any games nowadays. They just play Fortnite or other free to play games.
Re: This Revelation Should Terrify All Console Fans, Particularly Those Looking Forward to PS6
@LogicStrikesAgain it should be noted that historically, Xbox has been much worse in being able to manufacture their systems for cheap. Not my words, that’s what former executive Laura Fryer said.
Re: This Revelation Should Terrify All Console Fans, Particularly Those Looking Forward to PS6
In this current market, PlayStation need to gain the confidence of its hardcore fans. It needs to make the PS6 as attractive as possible, especially at that price, however they seem to be doing the exact opposite of that. If Sony want to reverse course on their reputation, they need to start talking.
Re: Early Data Suggests Unspectacular Start for Halo on PS5
If this was released ten years ago, it would’ve been a sales juggernaut, but Halo has been given too many chances. Not that it’s still popular, but it isn’t the king of all gaming like it was in the 00s.
Re: Amidst Sony's Disc Debacle, Capcom Sales Data Is a Brutal Reality Check for Fans of Physical Media
@The_Jobbo I get you, I really do. The way I see it, Sony's at fault for taking the fun out of the hobby for most of us who are complaining. And sadly, the comments sections for the most part are the only way we can vent our frustrations.
I do want to make a point though about the all games on disc. I own 53 PS5 games not from Limited Run, and all of them bar 3 run just fine off of the disc. However, as you've noted, none of those games are of the COD or Fortnite variety (though it does have a lot of AAA in it).
This might surprise you though (it certainly did me)...EA's Fifa games (or whatever they call it nowadays) are all playable from the disc.
Re: Amidst Sony's Disc Debacle, Capcom Sales Data Is a Brutal Reality Check for Fans of Physical Media
@Cry_Zero Look, I'm as pro physical as you can get, but Capcom can't lie about these numbers to their stakeholders, otherwise they'd be liable for fraud.
Re: Amidst Sony's Disc Debacle, Capcom Sales Data Is a Brutal Reality Check for Fans of Physical Media
I do think that the numbers are a little bit misrepresented here. More than 60% of the sales were all on PC, so the numbers we should be looking at are the 32% of console games that were sold. Of that 32%, about a fifth of them were physical.
Re: Naughty Dog's Intergalactic Targeting 2027, Reliable Snoop Says
@For-Kier I can’t say I agree there. I think the ending would be a lot more hollow if it were given as a choice, not to mention that if there was a Part 3, they would have to either ignore the ending of 2, or decide to make the choice for them in order to make that narrative.
Re: Newly Independent Double Fine Has to Lay Off 23 Devs to Ensure Survival of the Studio
It’s stories like Xbox’s mass layoffs this month that makes me wonder why people bother to get into game development.