Because it sucked, live service is fine but the F2P market needs to die. Glad this failed. Marathon is going to be absolutely fine, all you need to do is look at the top 20 most played wherd live service dominates but hey, who cares about facts. Or look at the most played this year, or last year, or the year before that, or the year before that or.....the last ten years and beyond....
Yup can't wait, will be on both Arc and Marathon. Fully expected wipes as is the norm for this type of genre. CoD, Destiny etc are not this type of genre. If they didnt do wipes the game would get stale. Arc was advertised as a casual extraction shooter, Marathon was advertised as the opposite.
I think it's one of the best months for a while, Slime Rancher was on my list to buy, I loved the first but never played it on GP because it was early access and left when it was full release. MH Rise is good also, the other two I'm not interested in. The last game I played and enjoyed off of any of the subscriptions was V Rising, since then it's been crap for me personally. Doubt I'll play any if them though, I pre ordered Marathon and I'll be getting Crimson and there's another game on the 24th I'll be getting (forgot the name) an open world survival that looks good. Gonna be a busy boy. Also there's Arc, what a time to be alive.
Lol, it's only places like these that live service is hated, you only need to look at the most played on EVERY platform bar Nintendo to see that live service games are the most popular by a huge margin. Sony need to make live service games, they just need to make good ones. Shame for Bluepoint but whatever, life goes on and tbh I couldn't really care less. I didn't even know who Bluepoint was until this 'shocking' news and I'd bet at least 90% of gamers didn't either. No skin off my nose, I have plenty of good quality games to play and I'm looking forward to a good few that are coming out in the next couple of months.
Sp games don't generate money, Arc has shown the AAA market how to do it. Hopefully Marathon will follow suit, make a decent game and don't try and overcharge for everything and people will play, and pay. Arc has embarrassed the AAA bigwigs saying that games will have to be priced at £100 just to make money. They have been proven wrong.
Great game, still play it every night. Looking very forward to Marathon now as I've heard it has a solo queue which is my thing. Tbh I probably would have bought it at launch even without it but me and my mate prefer solos. There are others I can recruit but I just don't like their wingey attitude, it's always the blame game when we die instead of just accepting it's part of the game, to old for all that drama. Love AR though, it's a breath of fresh air the MP gaming community needed.
Arc, Absolum and BF6, nearly time for expedition 2 on Arc so I'm smashing the PvP. Have plenty of rank 4 everything to lose after being on friendly servers for about a week.
Arc mostly, 401 hours topside but time played is something silly like 700 hours 😉 last I looked which was today, love it. On the last boss of Mandragora, need to grind some levels to beat that, very tough boss and just started Absolum, not a bad game. Dashings of Bf6 to mix things up but i really cant seem to click with it. All on PS.
Probably won't play any of them but if i was going to I'd play subnaughtica, that's my kind of genre. Have plenty to play with games I've recently bought. Meh to ok from me.
Bought this a few months back but really couldn't get into it. it feels like a game that is impossible to play without using a guide so not my cup of tea at all. Oops nvm, thought it was KCD2 which is what I bought, can KCD2 be played without a guide? I hate using guides.
Bought this game yesterday but also bought Terminator enchanced (£10 bargain) and The Forest as I have a week off work. Will get round to it at some point but I still can't put Arc raiders down for long at all. 80% through Mandragora so I'm a busy gamer 😎 love it.
I was interested in this game until I found out it doesn't have dedicated solo servers. You will still come up against squads even when queing solo. They have a 'Rook', a solo class but that's very limiting if you prefer solo. I'll wait and see if they do anything about this but I think they are ignoring a huge chunk of a community, the most played on Arc is solos so they are kinda shooting themselves in the foot with this one. I'll keep an eye on it but will not be jumping in at launch.
I'm defo interested, hadn't heard much about it, i'll bang it on the wishlist and check it out in the near future. I don't really want to start another RPG until i'm done with Mandragora Whispers of the Witch Tree (great game) which i'm not sure I will actually complete yet tbh. Kinda hard and I don't use guides but this sounds like a great game.
Nothing for me, might try Darkest Dungeon, can't stand Yakuza games and went off Resi games a long time ago. Will probably browse, check out then not bother with the others, they don't sound like my cup of tea at all. Premium still just a joke, good job it's cheap, I don't play old games, nostalgia just doesn't appeal to me at all. Played it a long time ago, loved it, don't want to revisit and ruin my memory of the game.
Great game, it's smashing records on Steam, I think it's the only game that has retained its initial player base so long after release almost beating its peak amount of players online at the same time so long after release in the last few days. That's two months after release. It recently bested the amount of players logging on over a 24 hour period with an amazing 3.2 million players in 24 hours across all platforms, with PS making up a quarter of those numbers, slightly ahead of Xbox! Love it, things are indeed looking good for Embark and well deserved.
Right now on PS timetracker there are 2 SP games in the top 20 most played, Cyberpunk at 17 and Yotei at 19. They do play other games just not for as long.
Doesn't surprise me at all, MP games are infinite and SP games have a short life span. If it wasn't these titles it would be a different MP game. My youngest is always on Minecraft, pretty much every night but on PC. Pretty sure 6 to 10 are the same, probably more. I regularly keep an eye on PS gametracker and the most played games are always MP with dashings of SP as they come out then inevitably die off.
I dont really care who makes it, Ai or humans, couldn't care less, if it's a good game i'll play it but if it's slop I won't. I think he might be out of touch, the last thing you should do is ask the internet to stop doing something.
Arc ofc, the REAL GOTY Bought Dragons Dogma 2 in the sale to try and scratch my SP itch but I don't think it's going to drag me away from Arc tbh, can't stop playing that gem.
Should be top of the tree, best game and the most fun i've had for generations on console. Sets the bar higher than it's ever been before. Amazing, puts every other game to shame, especially other MP games.
Arc ofc and I took advantage of the award sales and snagged KCD2 at a very reasonable 50% discount, liked what i've played so far but Arc keeps me from really getting into it, enjoy your weekend
@BamBamBaklava89 Love it m8, absolutely love it, no need to feel bad for me though but thanks for the thought 170 hours topside! With stash combined i'm only about 300k short of 5 mill, should smash that easy today. Actually more like 200k!
Arc should win, it's the best game I've ever played. Not surprised it won't though. Also people should stop bitching 5 mill is easy, I have 3.7 mill in coin already, no problem 😊. Let's face it, these awards are a joke and always have been.
Only killing floor 3 for me, the rest are very meh, Neon White i've tried on GP and wasn't for me at all. Better than last months offering though so kinda happy.
Love the optimism , terrible month though, nothing remotely interests me here, I have loads to play though so I don't care. Still have a couple of games from last months offering to try and V Rising is awsome so plenty to fall back on if for whatever reason I was to get bored (which I doubt very much).
Just means that they will run alongside the PS5 as they annoyingly (for me at least) keep making the games playable on the previous gen. I'd prefer them to drop last gen games a year or so into the new gen. An unpopular opinion here I imagine but as a whole I think it is the most popular as everyone I ever play with or talk to in real life agrees that PS4 support should of stopped a long time ago. Same with Xbox.
GOTY for me, loving it. Even has people scared that it will win goty awards Not that it means much anyway but it would be nice that a MP game wins it as they are the most popular games.
Lol at the people that are complaining about D-bags ambushing them, it's literally the point of the game The map design, extraction mechanic right down to the safe pockets show this game is clearly designed to encourage such behaviour. I do it and have been victim to it many times, just dust yourself off and go again.
9/10 for me and for all you topsiders a lil advice, turn crossplay OFF. If PC meddle with the settings they can remove shrubbery so they can see you in the bushes because shrubbery = bushes and you'll never know
Lol, picking on the little people again. never mind the elite jetting off here there and everywhere, scam. Remember not to use your fans in the summer so the elite can carry on regardless and squeeze in another jet set holiday or fly to their important business meetings..
Pretty sure the 'just for you' deals on Xbox are for the people that subscribe to Ultimate or own the game already and it's the DLC, i've had a few but not bought them. The supermarkets in the UK also adjust their prices depending on the average local wage so the prices vary depending on where you live, the distance between stores can be as little as two miles. A Tesco near us is more expensive than the Tesco two miles away. Sucks but that's life. Could be the same thinking behind this.
Crossplay off since day 1 and i'm finding bots unless I play in the evening but when it starts to hit 12am the bots start showing up. Sucks, I won't play against PC or bots so meh, the game is dying for me.
Good stuff, still preferring solo atm and abusing don't shoot, I shoot 99% of the time, it just screams 'I have loot I don't want to lose'!! I don't always win though, i'm 50/50 with the PvP thereabouts..Should defo not go PvE, it would split the playerbase and potentially ruin the game in my opinion. Suppose I will team up to kill the Queen or something, I have plaenty of friends to play it with that prefer teaming up. Can only play for an hour or two before switching games, plenty to play though so np. Great support, long may it continue.
I've stayed away and can genuinely say I have never TocTok'd at all, my kids do but whatever, give it 12 months and some other internet thing will be the next big err, thing? Anyway i'd say this comparison is daft, other platforms and real life are the main comp and real life should be as well. Family, gym and work for me, in that order as well.
Arc Raiders, V Rising and splatters of BF6. Rising and Ark are great and BF6 to scratch that itch. Dropped B4 for now after that terrible Halloween 'event'?!?!? Wtf was that all about lol.
Amazing game, love it. There is solo, I play solo it's how I prefer to learn to play these games, I will jump in with friends as they are constantly bugging me to play but if you queue solo you only come up against other solo players. PvP is amazing and if you say don't shoot to me you're going down suckers. I've not once come up against any teams, solo is definitely there, love it. Dying is part of the fun I'd recommend solo to learn the mechanics and then play with friends once you have the game down. Game queues are short and you'll be back in the thick of it within two minutes. Go freeload so you don't lose any of your own gear so dying is risk free. 9/10, good score.
Good, always hated exclusives. PSs are all SP story games anyway, 90% of the games I play are multiplat. We should be able to choose where we play our games. I'll buy both or go PC, the services they provide should be the deciding factor and that's why I still and always will have an Xbox, unless I go PC then I won't own a console at all, no point.
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Re: Highguard Permanently Shuts Down on 12th March
Because it sucked, live service is fine but the F2P market needs to die. Glad this failed. Marathon is going to be absolutely fine, all you need to do is look at the top 20 most played wherd live service dominates but hey, who cares about facts. Or look at the most played this year, or last year, or the year before that, or the year before that or.....the last ten years and beyond....
Re: Bungie Confirms First Two Marathon Seasons, Both Adding Free Content
Yup can't wait, will be on both Arc and Marathon. Fully expected wipes as is the norm for this type of genre. CoD, Destiny etc are not this type of genre. If they didnt do wipes the game would get stale. Arc was advertised as a casual extraction shooter, Marathon was advertised as the opposite.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for March 2026?
I think it's one of the best months for a while, Slime Rancher was on my list to buy, I loved the first but never played it on GP because it was early access and left when it was full release. MH Rise is good also, the other two I'm not interested in. The last game I played and enjoyed off of any of the subscriptions was V Rising, since then it's been crap for me personally. Doubt I'll play any if them though, I pre ordered Marathon and I'll be getting Crimson and there's another game on the 24th I'll be getting (forgot the name) an open world survival that looks good. Gonna be a busy boy. Also there's Arc, what a time to be alive.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
Lol, it's only places like these that live service is hated, you only need to look at the most played on EVERY platform bar Nintendo to see that live service games are the most popular by a huge margin. Sony need to make live service games, they just need to make good ones. Shame for Bluepoint but whatever, life goes on and tbh I couldn't really care less. I didn't even know who Bluepoint was until this 'shocking' news and I'd bet at least 90% of gamers didn't either. No skin off my nose, I have plenty of good quality games to play and I'm looking forward to a good few that are coming out in the next couple of months.
Re: Memory Crisis Threatening to Delay PS6 Could Last 'Another 10 Years'
Meh, it'll be fine. Gaming needed a reset anyway, it's getting ridiculous.
Re: Sony Will Offset Soaring RAM Prices by Further Monetising PS5 Players
Sp games don't generate money, Arc has shown the AAA market how to do it. Hopefully Marathon will follow suit, make a decent game and don't try and overcharge for everything and people will play, and pay. Arc has embarrassed the AAA bigwigs saying that games will have to be priced at £100 just to make money. They have been proven wrong.
Re: There's No Stopping Multiplayer Sensation ARC Raiders, Reaches 14 Million Copies Sold
Also ty Pushsquare for the positive reporting of the game, much appreciated 👏
Re: There's No Stopping Multiplayer Sensation ARC Raiders, Reaches 14 Million Copies Sold
Great game, still play it every night. Looking very forward to Marathon now as I've heard it has a solo queue which is my thing. Tbh I probably would have bought it at launch even without it but me and my mate prefer solos. There are others I can recruit but I just don't like their wingey attitude, it's always the blame game when we die instead of just accepting it's part of the game, to old for all that drama. Love AR though, it's a breath of fresh air the MP gaming community needed.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 619
Arc, Absolum and BF6, nearly time for expedition 2 on Arc so I'm smashing the PvP. Have plenty of rank 4 everything to lose after being on friendly servers for about a week.
Re: GTA 5 Gives ARC Raiders a Run for Its Money on the PS5 Download Chart
Arc still smashing it, it's sold more than any other game for the last 3 months on PS, Xbox and Steam. 15 million, yup 15 on Steam alone since launch.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 618
Arc mostly, 401 hours topside but time played is something silly like 700 hours 😉 last I looked which was today, love it. On the last boss of Mandragora, need to grind some levels to beat that, very tough boss and just started Absolum, not a bad game. Dashings of Bf6 to mix things up but i really cant seem to click with it. All on PS.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for February 2026?
Probably won't play any of them but if i was going to I'd play subnaughtica, that's my kind of genre. Have plenty to play with games I've recently bought. Meh to ok from me.
Re: New Kingdom Come: Deliverance PS5 Version Seems Real in PS Store Leak
Bought this a few months back but really couldn't get into it. it feels like a game that is impossible to play without using a guide so not my cup of tea at all. Oops nvm, thought it was KCD2 which is what I bought, can KCD2 be played without a guide? I hate using guides.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for February 2026 Announced
Not to bad but I probably won'tr bother with them.
Re: Hands On: Highguard Is Real and Potentially Great on PS5
Pfft I couldn't care less how much time they have spent on the game, the F2P market needs to die, I hope it bombs hard.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Highguard?
F2P.....thanks but no thanks.
Re: Awesome Beat-'Em-Up Absolum Slaps February Release Date on Huge PS5 Patch
Bought this game yesterday but also bought Terminator enchanced (£10 bargain) and The Forest as I have a week off work. Will get round to it at some point but I still can't put Arc raiders down for long at all. 80% through Mandragora so I'm a busy gamer 😎 love it.
Re: Marathon's Slick Sci-Fi Visuals Will Look Particularly Crisp on PS5 Pro
I was interested in this game until I found out it doesn't have dedicated solo servers. You will still come up against squads even when queing solo. They have a 'Rook', a solo class but that's very limiting if you prefer solo. I'll wait and see if they do anything about this but I think they are ignoring a huge chunk of a community, the most played on Arc is solos so they are kinda shooting themselves in the foot with this one. I'll keep an eye on it but will not be jumping in at launch.
Re: Skyrim-Like RPG Tainted Grail Proves a Huge Success
I'm defo interested, hadn't heard much about it, i'll bang it on the wishlist and check it out in the near future. I don't really want to start another RPG until i'm done with Mandragora Whispers of the Witch Tree (great game) which i'm not sure I will actually complete yet tbh. Kinda hard and I don't use guides but this sounds like a great game.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for January 2026?
Nothing for me, might try Darkest Dungeon, can't stand Yakuza games and went off Resi games a long time ago. Will probably browse, check out then not bother with the others, they don't sound like my cup of tea at all. Premium still just a joke, good job it's cheap, I don't play old games, nostalgia just doesn't appeal to me at all. Played it a long time ago, loved it, don't want to revisit and ruin my memory of the game.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for January 2026?
Might try nfs, played core keeper on xbox not bad but Mocky isn't for me, they're ok.
Re: ARC Raiders Battles Sports Games for PS5 Download Dominance in December
Great game, it's smashing records on Steam, I think it's the only game that has retained its initial player base so long after release almost beating its peak amount of players online at the same time so long after release in the last few days. That's two months after release. It recently bested the amount of players logging on over a 24 hour period with an amazing 3.2 million players in 24 hours across all platforms, with PS making up a quarter of those numbers, slightly ahead of Xbox! Love it, things are indeed looking good for Embark and well deserved.
Re: You'll Never Guess the Most Played PS5, PS4 Games of 2025 in the US
Right now on PS timetracker there are 2 SP games in the top 20 most played, Cyberpunk at 17 and Yotei at 19. They do play other games just not for as long.
Re: You'll Never Guess the Most Played PS5, PS4 Games of 2025 in the US
Doesn't surprise me at all, MP games are infinite and SP games have a short life span. If it wasn't these titles it would be a different MP game. My youngest is always on Minecraft, pretty much every night but on PC. Pretty sure 6 to 10 are the same, probably more. I regularly keep an eye on PS gametracker and the most played games are always MP with dashings of SP as they come out then inevitably die off.
Re: Microsoft CEO Really Wants You to Stop Calling Generative AI 'Slop'
Can Ai really be as bad as a bunch of shareholders talking slop? Guess we will find out sooner or later, just more slop.
Re: Microsoft CEO Really Wants You to Stop Calling Generative AI 'Slop'
I dont really care who makes it, Ai or humans, couldn't care less, if it's a good game i'll play it but if it's slop I won't. I think he might be out of touch, the last thing you should do is ask the internet to stop doing something.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 614
Arc ofc, the REAL GOTY Bought Dragons Dogma 2 in the sale to try and scratch my SP itch but I don't think it's going to drag me away from Arc tbh, can't stop playing that gem.
Re: Game of the Year: #6 - ARC Raiders
Should be top of the tree, best game and the most fun i've had for generations on console. Sets the bar higher than it's ever been before. Amazing, puts every other game to shame, especially other MP games.
Re: The Game Awards Keeps On Getting More and More Popular
It's obvious why, because of the reveals, not the awards.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 611
Arc ofc and I took advantage of the award sales and snagged KCD2 at a very reasonable 50% discount, liked what i've played so far but Arc keeps me from really getting into it, enjoy your weekend
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for December 2025?
Meh they're ok from me, probably won't play any of them though tbh.
Re: Feature: Predict The Game Awards 2025 with Our 20 Question Quiz
@BamBamBaklava89 Love it m8, absolutely love it, no need to feel bad for me though but thanks for the thought 170 hours topside! With stash combined i'm only about 300k short of 5 mill, should smash that easy today. Actually more like 200k!
Re: Feature: Predict The Game Awards 2025 with Our 20 Question Quiz
Arc should win, it's the best game I've ever played. Not surprised it won't though. Also people should stop bitching 5 mill is easy, I have 3.7 mill in coin already, no problem 😊. Let's face it, these awards are a joke and always have been.
Re: Rumour: Mystery Game Awards Reveal May Be a New Divinity RPG, as Original Sin 2 PS5 Port Leaks
Gotta do something to try and boost the interest in these awards, sounds suss to me.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for December 2025 Announced
Only killing floor 3 for me, the rest are very meh, Neon White i've tried on GP and wasn't for me at all. Better than last months offering though so kinda happy.
Re: Talking Point: The Game Awards 2025 Nominations Announced - Who Are Your Winners?
Arc, E33 was good but Arc, not that it matters I hate these awards.
Re: 9 PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for November 2025 Announced
Love the optimism , terrible month though, nothing remotely interests me here, I have loads to play though so I don't care. Still have a couple of games from last months offering to try and V Rising is awsome so plenty to fall back on if for whatever reason I was to get bored (which I doubt very much).
Re: PS5 'In the Middle' of Its Lifecycle, Claims Sony
Just means that they will run alongside the PS5 as they annoyingly (for me at least) keep making the games playable on the previous gen. I'd prefer them to drop last gen games a year or so into the new gen. An unpopular opinion here I imagine but as a whole I think it is the most popular as everyone I ever play with or talk to in real life agrees that PS4 support should of stopped a long time ago. Same with Xbox.
Re: ARC Raiders Is a Confirmed Live Service Hit as Sales Top 4 Million, Player Count Rockets
GOTY for me, loving it. Even has people scared that it will win goty awards Not that it means much anyway but it would be nice that a MP game wins it as they are the most popular games.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give ARC Raiders?
Lol at the people that are complaining about D-bags ambushing them, it's literally the point of the game The map design, extraction mechanic right down to the safe pockets show this game is clearly designed to encourage such behaviour. I do it and have been victim to it many times, just dust yourself off and go again.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give ARC Raiders?
9/10 for me and for all you topsiders a lil advice, turn crossplay OFF. If PC meddle with the settings they can remove shrubbery so they can see you in the bushes because shrubbery = bushes and you'll never know
Re: Study Claims Physical PS5 Games Are 100 Times Worse for the Planet Than Digital Downloads
Lol, picking on the little people again. never mind the elite jetting off here there and everywhere, scam. Remember not to use your fans in the summer so the elite can carry on regardless and squeeze in another jet set holiday or fly to their important business meetings..
Re: Some PS5 Owners Might Be Paying More Than Others on PS Store
Pretty sure the 'just for you' deals on Xbox are for the people that subscribe to Ultimate or own the game already and it's the DLC, i've had a few but not bought them. The supermarkets in the UK also adjust their prices depending on the average local wage so the prices vary depending on where you live, the distance between stores can be as little as two miles. A Tesco near us is more expensive than the Tesco two miles away. Sucks but that's life. Could be the same thinking behind this.
Re: PC Players or Bots? Battlefield 6 PS5 Players Frustrated by Crossplay Situation
Crossplay off since day 1 and i'm finding bots unless I play in the evening but when it starts to hit 12am the bots start showing up. Sucks, I won't play against PC or bots so meh, the game is dying for me.
Re: Don't Forget to Grab These PS Plus Essential Games Before They're Gone
Grabbed them, always do, will probably never play them but the option is nice.
Re: Arc Raiders to Be Packed Full of More Content Before the Year Is Over
Good stuff, still preferring solo atm and abusing don't shoot, I shoot 99% of the time, it just screams 'I have loot I don't want to lose'!! I don't always win though, i'm 50/50 with the PvP thereabouts..Should defo not go PvE, it would split the playerbase and potentially ruin the game in my opinion. Suppose I will team up to kill the Queen or something, I have plaenty of friends to play it with that prefer teaming up. Can only play for an hour or two before switching games, plenty to play though so np. Great support, long may it continue.
Re: Talking Point: Is PS5 Really in Competition with TikTok?
I've stayed away and can genuinely say I have never TocTok'd at all, my kids do but whatever, give it 12 months and some other internet thing will be the next big err, thing? Anyway i'd say this comparison is daft, other platforms and real life are the main comp and real life should be as well. Family, gym and work for me, in that order as well.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 605
Arc Raiders, V Rising and splatters of BF6. Rising and Ark are great and BF6 to scratch that itch. Dropped B4 for now after that terrible Halloween 'event'?!?!? Wtf was that all about lol.
Re: ARC Raiders (PS5) - A Triumph in Multiplayer Immersion
Amazing game, love it. There is solo, I play solo it's how I prefer to learn to play these games, I will jump in with friends as they are constantly bugging me to play but if you queue solo you only come up against other solo players. PvP is amazing and if you say don't shoot to me you're going down suckers. I've not once come up against any teams, solo is definitely there, love it. Dying is part of the fun I'd recommend solo to learn the mechanics and then play with friends once you have the game down. Game queues are short and you'll be back in the thick of it within two minutes. Go freeload so you don't lose any of your own gear so dying is risk free. 9/10, good score.
Re: Xbox Boss Believes Sony's Strategy of Console Exclusives Is 'Antiquated'
Good, always hated exclusives. PSs are all SP story games anyway, 90% of the games I play are multiplat. We should be able to choose where we play our games. I'll buy both or go PC, the services they provide should be the deciding factor and that's why I still and always will have an Xbox, unless I go PC then I won't own a console at all, no point.