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Not planned at launch?

So you are going to pull a Crash Team Racing and add them in after the games have reviewed?

Why?

5/15. Not bad given that I have not played any of the games. =)

@eumenes That's not what I am disputing. I am saying that I doubt every developer is gonna spend as much time polishing their games to look as pretty as that tech demo. Not to mention, the tech demo is clearly not the whole game (if it were, then cool, I'm interested), so it stands to reason that you can make a very pretty scene when there are limits to where you can go. The demo was showing a character walking along a linear path. That big shot of everything in the distance is a great set piece, as well as the cliffs on the sides with the homes built into the cliffs, but we can;t see them, so it is difficult to judge if the engine will look that great for full-blown games. The other example I can think of the top of my head is the Zelda tech demo for the Wii U; very pretty, but I don't think there was a single game on the Wii U which looked that detailed.

@get2sammyb Pretty much what I just said above. I know that the demo can be interacted with but at the same time, it is still through a controlled environment (this video) unless there is something extra that I haven't seen yet. As I said in my original comment, it looks very pretty (especially in 4K on my tv), but I want to see some actual games looking that pretty first.

"There. are. so. many. triangles! This environment is millions of triangles, these statues in this room are 16 billion triangles alone!"

Seriously though, it is very pretty, but I somehow doubt the games will look that great out of the gate. Hope I am wrong.

Is it bad that I really want a full-blown review which is half-serious, half-comedic?

"What supports that is the ratio of digital game sales compared to physical increasing to 51%. During the current coronavirus pandemic, that statistic rose to a whopping 66% between the months of January and March 2020."

As long as that statistic reverts when the pandemic ends, that will make me feel better, but it is very disheartening seeing all the companies saying that digital sales are getting stronger in comparison to physical sales. I think I explained in the forums that I only really buy digital if it is cheap, and it is a game that I might be interested in, but I am unsure about. I still buy physical for anything that I care about, so whilst I may be overreacting, anything that signals the end of physical media horrifies me. Also not a big fan of subscriptions (don't have psplus, netflix, any of those things), but power to Sony for doing well with Ps Plus.

Is this a representation of the grand future of next-gen? Upgrading is starting to look like more of a hassle than it is worth if they can't even make 60fps standard.

@FullbringIchigo I have heard about that, but I was always a bit sceptical of whether that was true or not purely because Capcom, and that prior to that, they had the horrible practices with Street Fighter x Tekken that I previously mentioned. If that is true, then fair enough, since my understanding is the game didn't sell particularly well. I would be all over a sequel should they finally do one (based on my avatar alone). The epilogue in the final DLC was a darn tease.

One last little thing since we are on the topic of Asura's Wrath. I remember playing UMvC3 and thinking that Asura would be fantastic in a MvC4... then Infinite came out and that never happened so it looks extremely unlikely we will ever see Asura again much to my sadness.

@RBMango You're not wrong about this being common in the games industry. It's just astounding how much this has been pushed over the years.

I remember the first time where I thought companies were really getting greedy was Street Fighter X Tekken with its Disc-Locked-Content (all DLC characters available on a disc but behind a paywall). Capcom then took it one step further with Asura's Wrath where you had to pay for the ending. I remember thinking that the backlash at the time would convince companies to stop this rubbish but ever since, practices have only gotten worse (microtransactions, lootboxes). Hell, horse armour in Oblivion (2006) was scandalous yet Horse gear DLC was in Metal Gear Solid V was perfectly fine (2015).

You show gamers in 2000 gaming today in 2020, and I don't know whether they would be amazed by the technical advances, or horrified at the terrible consumer practices and other requirements needed to actually play a game.

@carlos82 To be fair, in hindsight, I don't own many Ubisoft titles. The only game I can think of that I own that was made during this generation is Rayman Legends. So I guess that says a lot. Edit: A quick look though my backlog has shown that I apparently own Watch Dogs 1 and Child of Light. Otherwise, that is it for Ubisoft for this gen. Everything else is older like Rayman 3 etc.

@BearsEatBeets Not saying you are wrong, but are you seriously telling me that writers and concept artists work exclusively on one game at a time? Do they really not have other projects that they are involved with which require attention? Not to mention that surely they would of have this same problem pre-DLC if this is truly the explanation?

Cool?

Okay, I will confess, I have never played Assassin's Creed. Whenever I see gameplay and settings, I struggle to be interested. But that aside, this game was annouced only a couple of weeks ago right? And already they are talking about Season Passes and the contents... what the hell? I am not saying this is necessarily new, but come on! Why are we finding out about the DLC before we even have the game in our hands?

Maybe I am missing something here...

@jdv95 I think you're remembering E3 2019. That year was plenty of mobile stuff from Bethesda at the conference.

Regarding Elder Scrolls VI... don't announce a game if you have nothing to show. If they truly only announced this to appease those who didn't like what they were currently making, it only goes to show how out of touch they are with their own fans.

Edit: Scratch that, upon looking, Commander Keen was announced for mobile, and Blades was announced for Switch, with an update ES Legends. Beyond that, it was mainly updates on stuff we already knew about and streaming tech (Orion).

Well, that is interesting seeing Yakuza 7 coming to Xbox Series X presumably at the same time as PS4/PS5.

Upon thinking about this being used to push microtransactions and stuff, I am reminded of this clip from Ready Player One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpPE85Jogjw

I mean, I know it is extreme and about ads, but it is somehow on point.

Eww, no. I would hope that this feature is optional. Whilst I do use how long to beat, I normally use it before I start a game to get a rough idea of how long I will need to play the game. I would not like the idea of being told how to play the game whilst playing the game. Hooray for backseat gaming!

@Grimwood "Internet without comments would be about 100% better."

So you say as you post a comment? I get that it can be draining to have comment sections full of people who disagree with you (I should know, I have been in a few), not to mention plenty of people who are they purely for the sake of fanning the flames, but if we can't discuss anything how are we supposed to see eye-to-eye with anyone? Being exposed to someone else's opinion might not necessarily change your own, but it does help give a new perspective.

@AdamNovice That would explain the comments, but what about the likes/dislikes? Are they afraid of the seemingly vocal minority disliking it and making everyone who see the trailer think the game is going to be bad?

Based on what I've seen here, most people seem to be committed to buying the game anyway. Not to mention, I am sure the game will sell like crazy given how well the first one sold, so why are they so concerned? As far as I am concerned, this whole situation has been handled poorly.

What the heck? This is as bad as the time Nintendo did the same thing with Metroid Prime Federation Force. Bit disappointed in Sony to be honest, I expected better.

Not really a big surprise, given they are trying to perpetuate games as a service, so it would make sense the "game" is free to upgrade next gen.

@Zeke68 Oh man, multiplayer trophies are my biggest peeve with any game. Especially when it is a game that doesn't have any active people playing the multiplayer as they have moved onto the next game or even worse... the servers for the game are shut off so even if you wanted to get them, you just can't..

Level 14 with 17 platinums, 2 of those platinums are from the same game (Persona 4 Dancing All Night PSVita and PS4). I have some catching up to do...

@Zeke68 "Noone wants an echochamber (as far as I know) but do we really want a gaming site to be a breedingground for hate against specific industry profiles ?"

Agreed. But that's the thing; I don't think most, if not all of these comments are being hateful. I think they are saying what they say because ultimately, they do care about what they think is best whether that be for Sony, Naughty Dog, or even just the people who would of/will be playing the game when all is said and done. People will always have their misgivings with certain individuals and groups much to everyone's chagrin, but ultimately, I think every wants the same thing; which is a great game. The disagreement so far appears to primarily be based on the spoilers, whether the game is actually going to be great.

"I'm just one of all who is tired of the haters who spam allover these gaming sites when we should be discussing game and news regarding to them, not workcondition we never ever get to know anything concrete about."

I can get that. People who are clearly here for the intention of doing little more than burning everything don't offer anything to the discussion. It is also ultimately pointless to speculate about things we may not know the truth about, but it doesn't make it any less fun to speculate of course.

"My point is, IF it's true it's something ND/Sony need to set straight asap, but also, IF it's true, why isn't hundreds of employees shouting it from the rooftops at this point?"

Probably because they are still in a better position begrudgingly working in terrible conditions (assuming the rumours are true, they may very well not be) than they would be if they were blacklisted in the industry by such a prolific company as Naughty Dog where they wouldn't be able to work in the industry again. Some people will go through a lot for the sake of dreams. Now obviously Naughty Dog wouldn't be able to do much to all the employees if they all rebelled at once, but realistically it is unlikely that everyone rebelling would ever happen, I should point out that again it is all speculation on my part. With any luck, I will be very wrong in the grand scheme of things.

Thanks for the reply though. =)

Okay, I normally stay out of articles like this one, but I gonna dare to be stupid for once.

I cannot comment on the leak itself as I have not seen the contents, nor do I care to because whilst I found the TLOU 1 somewhat enjoyable, the ending really soured my opinion of the story and I am not interested enough in a sequel. I do personally think however that it is impossible to know the full story without playing the game, but at the same time, you don't necessarily need to eat the whole dinner to know the dinner is horrible. People have to choose whether what they have learned will put them off or not, or if they are willing to stick with it in the hopes it gets better.

Regarding the morality of whether it is right or wrong for the leaker to do what they did, I have no strong opinion; maybe disgruntled worker (if that is who leaked the game?) was disgruntled because Naughty Dog was indeed being naughty and mistreating employees. Maybe disgruntled worker was wrong because it was not fair to the other employees who may/may not have suffered who wanted the unveiling of the work to be in the planned manner they chose rather than a possible misinterpretation. It is impossible for me to know the truth. All I, or anyone else can do, is draw our own conclusions based on what we find out.

Now with that all being said, why is there so many comments calling others fanboys, morons, lowlifes, saying that "because you hold x opinion, y is clearly true"? It is fine to not see eye-to-eye on something but you don't need to insult everyone in doing so. Not to mention people saying they should or should not comment here. This is an article on a website that anyone can access, not some echo chamber; if we can't have different opinions then why bother trying to do anything, clearly we should just accept everything without question. No need for conversation, we already know what everyone else is going to think... how boring that would be.

Wow, I sound really preachy. Apologies if this upsets anyone, but I do stand by what I said.

A surprise to be sure... but a welcome one.

I already have Uncharted, but realistically I was never going to buy Journey, so I will now play ir and see what it is like.

Less money to spend on hiring people in the audience to cheer enthusiastically. They're probably sighing with relief right now.

After playing through all the other games in the past few months, I must admit that I am still worried about turn-based gameplay in my Yakuza. I am just struggling to envision it being as impactful as the fighting in previous games. Hoping I am wrong of course.

Saw the headline and remembered it was April Fools day...

insert long exaggerated sigh here

Really?

Well let's put it this way; I will be incredibly ****** off if it does not come over here. I'll leave it to everyone's imagination which word I was going.

EDIT: Seriously though, c'mon Atlus! Do you really need proof that we are interested?

It certainly looks like a game I would want to try, but I am not so sure it is one I would want to buy. Will need to see more to judge further.

Got a week off coming up next week so I'll probably play through Ni No Kuni. Only about three hours in so far. Haven't yet made my mind up if I like it yet, but I am leaning in that direction.

@The_FastLife To be fair to Sony, Yakuza 0 and Death Stranding are both produced by third-parties (Sega and Kojima Producitons respectively). Yakuza has appeared on Wii U of all places before and Death Stranding was originally confirmed to be coming to PC a long time ago anyway (the only caveat is the engine belongs to Guerrilla Games who is first party). I don't begrudge third parties as much since they have to do what they have to do.

Horizon Zero Dawn on the other hand which is first party...

Way to miss the point. Most people don't necessarily care that other people are getting to play the game. People care that consoles are essentially losing what makes them unique; Exclusives. I have seen many people harping on that Sony has done so well this generation due to one thing. Which is? Because, they, have, games! Exclusives are any console's ultimate selling point. Yes, this is just one game that was first party, but everything has a starting point. People are ultimately worried that this is another nail in consoles as we know them, combined with other factors such as an aggressive move to digital and cloud gaming.

And Sony have not said anything reassuring yet to suggest this is a one off. All they have said is that not all games will necessarily be on PC and not at date and time as PS4/5. This could be interpreted as Sony getting ready to put a leg into the pool of PC rather than a toe. They have been thinking about this for a while. Time will tell if this is truly a one off (would make sense, Death Stranding was originally coming to PC anyway from my understanding and uses the same engine as HZD), but for the time being, people are concerned, and I think they are right to be.

Yeah, no. I don't believe this. Especially considering the whole comment about "We don’t have plans for day and date [PC releases], and we remain 100% committed to dedicated hardware."

So that implies that PC releases are being considered even if they are not at the same date as release on PS4/PS5. Not a definite of course, but forgive my scepticism.

Playing through Yakuza 6 at the moment. Just started Chapter 8. Once finished, I will try and get back into Judgment (currently a few chapters in but struggling to hold my interest as well as main Yakuza games).

I am still cautiously looking forward to Yakuza 7 (Like a Dragon), but a new protagonist and gameplay is going to take some getting used to. I have just enjoyed Kiryu's story so much, that I am not looking forward to the end.

Are Koei Tecmo purposely trying to kill Dead or Alive? Do we know of any other games they make that they try to monetise as fiercely as this?

That didn't take long. I have 3 trophies from Two Point Hospital so far. Hopefully I will have more soon.

@Neolit An exception, not the rule. Though admittedly my first comment does seem to sound like an absolute that all games on PC are guaranteed to run better which is obviously untrue.

@redd214 Don't get me wrong, consoles are very convenient and can also be cheaper than a fancy-pants gaming PC. It is a contributing factor to why I have stuck with consoles for so long. However, exclusives are what ultimately sells the console for me. For example, if Microsoft had more exclusives worth giving a darn about, I would most likely have brought most of my games for Xbox One rather than PS4, especially since I did not have a PS3 the previous generation. Most of the games on either console are third-party, and look practically identical on either console but more importantly, are available on PC. If both consoles lose their exclusives, PC makes sense to keep all my games in one place.

Assuming any first-party game for PS4 comes to PC eventually, the only real exclusive that the PS4 as a console has that I care about would be Persona. The only other draw of consoles for me is physical media, but that is also starting to develop drawbacks due to no longer being 100% complete. You are correct though that ultimately all this is doing is giving people more choice; just that in my specific case it is to not buy a PS5. I should point that this is an extreme scenario assuming Sony continue with this trend.

@GamingFan4Lyf PC is costly. It is what keeps putting me off. I should probably stress that I am not saying that my circumstances are the same as everyone else, but I would rather invest the money into a PC than individual consoles if I can play everything in one place which will be the case if Sony continues to put exclusives onto PC. That by itself is worth the extra investment for me. Consoles will however always ultimately be cheaper and in theory, will have games optimized to perfection to play on them. I say in theory because some developers seem to struggle with optimization compared to others.

@Shepherd_Tallon This is probably the most accurate comment. Kudos to you.

I don't mind former exclusives being on PC. It just means that instead of a PS5, I will just invest in finally having a decent gaming PC. After all, if the games are eventually going to come to PC and look/perform better as a result, then what is the point of sticking with Playstation?

It is possible more third-parties will do this... If so, Sony need to ensure they have 1st party games exclusive to PS5 (no PC)... bring on Knack 3.

Gross. Just gross... Because "Gross" by itself was not enough so "Just gross".

If it is as mechanically satisfying as The Messenger then I will eagerly look forward to playing this. They just made movement in that game so satisfying and quick.

At least Dreams is still in the charts. Yakuza Remastered Collection has disappeared entirely off the Top 40 along with Darksiders Genesis. Bit sad that Yakuza has already disappeared but then again, it is possible that most people brought them as the individual games released digitally. I am looking forward to trying Vanquish, but I am struggling between 100% finishing the Yakuza games and starting Two Point Hospital when it releases tomorrow.

"...we were expecting a PlayStation 5 reveal event and The Last of Us: Part II’s launch right around now – neither have materialised. The latter is still shrouded in mystery,..."

I am being a bit pedantic, but shouldn't it be former rather than latter?

Now back to the topic at hand. I still have plenty to play in my backlog before TLOU2, but I can understand the frustration. Quite a few games have been moved so far this year, such as Cyberpunk and FF7. It is nice to know that TLOU2 is being polished, just a pity that the beginning of 2020 has seemingly became empty.

That P5: Ultimate Edition discount though... I know that Royal is just around the corner which is probably why P5 is on sale, but the entirety of P5 with all DLC for £16 is insane!

Zero Escape: The Nonary Games and Danganronpa 1/2 Reload both for £15 each is also fantastic and worth playing. Ace Attorney for £12 is also great.

Looking through this sale has also made me realise you can buy an add-on for RE2 which unlocks modes which you normally unlock by playing the game... really? I fail to see the point, but whatever.

Yakuza 0 for £9 is also great. If you want to get into the series, there is no better time now that all the games are available on PS4. Cannot recommend enough.

"Will this impact your enjoyment at all?"

Why would it? It is not a gameplay/story change, just making it easier for people to play in their native language. Good on Atlus for doing so.

Glad to see Yakuza doing well. I have binged Yakuza over the past week just playing through the main stories. I have beat 3 and 4, currently in Part 2 of 5. I will be going back to complete the games properly, but I just really wanted to get into the story of Kiryu. I will also be buying 6 within the next couple of weeks.

I was worried that I wasn't going to like 3-5 that much as I had been playing Judgment recently and was not enjoying it as much as I hoped, but so far it has been incredible. Truly, there has never been a better time to get into the series than now!

Yeah... no. Environmentally friendly perhaps, but not the most practical when it comes to protecting the disc. For me personally as well, would not look as satisfying to display/store. I know cartridges came in cardboard (NES, SNES, N64), but I tend to find that they are more sturdy than discs.

Edit: Good examples of what could be done is cutting down the size of the boxes, and adopting similar designs to something like a 3DS case, where there are holes that make a nice pattern whilst saving materials.

Definitely relationship sim elements then. I am sure it will make sense in context. I mean it can't be that bad given it is only Teen right? ...Right?

At least you know the ESRB were very... thorough when it came to those specific scenes. I am looking forward to this game though. It will be good to try Sakura Wars proper, though I hear the gameplay is different from predecessors.

Please remaster/rerelease all three and then make Ninja Gaiden 4. I would very much appreciate it. Funnily enough, I was talking to a friend regarding this last night. Interesting that an article just happens to appear.