@Jayofmaya I'm afraid, even as a musician, you're talking about something entirely different to what I'm talking about. I'm saying data going into one end of a cable is not going come out differently the other end. It's all 1s and 0s. The cabling cannot alter the sound quality. Yes, lowering bit and sample rates can reduce dynamic range and raise the noise floor but that's not something caused by cables. Cables do not have the ability to do that. All they can do is carry the data as it's presented. So a HDMI cable will not introduce noise. Any alterations are made prior to going through the cables. On a side note, as a retired professional musician (since it seems to matter) altering bit rates will not necessarily degrade sound quality and can instead be a good thing. ie dynamic range. I love dynamic range in music etc, it's why I avoid remasters like the plague, but too much of it can be a danger to your hearing and system and can be easily solved by lowering the bit rate to a point where there's absolutely no discernable difference in sound quality. But that's a whole different topic.
@NEStalgia Wow... just wow. I really, really tried to not reply, after seeing your first post full of misinformation, but then after seeing your second... Talk about buzzwords and *****. "tell the difference between Dolby Atmos"??? All Atmos does is add extra channels for height speakers. It's not an improvement on any of Dolby's already lossless formats. Or are you suggesting some people can't hear sounds that come from above? As for all your rubbish about HDMI being noisy, talk of jitter (yawn, really? Someone obviously reads audiophile forums where everyone's an expert yet nobody has a clue what they're talking about) and whether using a combination of digital cables can degrade sound quality... total garbage. They all carry data. The data either gets to where it's going or it doesn't. The sound may be converted to a different format along the way, if you chose a cable that can't handle the data, but it's not degrading. It's not like making a copy of a CD to tape. That's not how computers work. And that is simply all it comes down to, the amount of data an optical cable can carry. For Sony's new sound system to create 3D effects optical may not be enough. But hey, at least you managed to fulfill your quota of audiophile buzzwords.
Stunning. I've never tried dreams so have no idea what's needed to create something like this. But imagine it's a huge undertaking. Very reminiscent of Everybody's gone to the Rapture.
Since the patch my horse no longer appears, no animals, Harriet has vanished, can't start any missions and my camp is forever being pitched but never actually turns up. So yeah, pretty much useless at the moment.
@naruball it depends on the severity of the insult. For instance if you were to make fun of Boris's hair then the likely outcome is the Queen's guards will come get you. Punishment is death by firing squad.
Good thinking. Easier than my method. I made a list of all the items I had, whilst in the last chapters, then used a process of elimination to work out where I needed to go. I'll suggest your method to my friend. Certainly saves a lot of time watching a loading screen.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L it's not a good system at all. Also not being shown which you have and which are missing doesn't help. Thankfully I only had 7 missing collectibles. I think if I'd had many more I'd have given up and just replayed. Having to sit through two loading screens on every chapter would have me tearing my hair out eventually. But like you say, a really fantastic game.
@TheArt Yeah, enjoy it at your own pace. As I said to a friend of mine, who completed it in around 24 hours, you only ever get to play this game for the first time once, so why rush it? PS. If you're going for the platinum do yourself a favour. Make sure to make a manual save in the last chapter. As the chapter select system is a bit iffy.
@TheArt Nice to see someone else is taking their time. I took 48 hours and 40 minutes to complete it. Missed 7 collectibles in total. Loved exploring each location and loved every minute of the game.
@Spinachie I have 2 1080s, a 4k, and a 4k OLED if that helps? I use a 1080 for the PS4 Pro as I prefer frame rate over resolution when the game gives me the choice.
@Kidfunkadelic83 He's actually correct. There's no picture quality difference between 1080 and 4k, unless you're too close to the TV and you're starting to see pixels. The reason you can tell the difference when you downscale on a 4k TV is because you're downscaling. So 1 pixel is then having to be represented by 4 pixels, which of course then makes the 1080 look worse. But if you're at the "correct" seating distance you won't see any difference. It's like looking at a beach. From a distance you don't see the individual grains of sand. Get up close and there they are. The things that do make a difference is HDR and the introduction of OLED. 1080s never had HDR and older 4ks don't. Higher resolutions are just there to allow people to sit nearer than is sensible to bigger and bigger screens.
There's no real similarity between the two unless you class slowing down a track. If you listen to the TLOU version it's basically a slow acoustic version of the original with full chords. The other is using a picking style.
@Royalblues You know it's not just Sony doing this? Pretty much the entire music industry has said they're not releasing any music this week. @Zach_99 The US market is smaller for the PS4 than it is in Europe. Something like 11 million less sold in the US.
@Akurusu Don't take it personally. This forum has always been filled with its fair share of idiots. I'm still shocked America is in this position after the shootings of Terrence Coleman and Charles Kinsey, both of whom should have been protected by the law, not had their lives destroyed by it. Those two cases alone should have changed everything.
@jdv95 The British, be it the Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or English, are all condescending towards each other at some point or other. Especially around the time of international rugby competitions. It's all just part of being British.
Also, despite what some others have said, Welsh is the main language in North and West Wales. It's seldom used in South Wales though.
@Paranoimia Putting your PS4 games on the PS5's SSD would not be a good idea. They wouldn't really benefit from it and you'd just be wasting valuable space. You'd only want to do that if a game gets specifically optimised for the SSD.
@TrueAssassin86x Very true... but with the Radeon RX 5700XT, which isn't quite as powerful as the PS5, costing around $400 or the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, which is slightly better, costing around $1300 you'll only have to play for between 8 to 26 years to have saved any expenditure you'd have lost on paying for PS+... so, again, good thinking.
@nessisonett @Jayofmaya just to think 20 years ago 16 million + gamers were listening to jazz and loving it... probably not even realising it was Jazz. The joy of the original The Sims.
There are a few arcade sports games but I guess they're predominantly driving games like Gran Turismo and Drive Club (RIP) So I'm all for a bit of alternative fun.
@Rudy_Manchego Ah, good to know. She cost me a fortune. I started playing Everybody's gone to the rapture. I'd been umming and ahhhing about upgrading my speakers and that score, and the game sounds in general, ended up causing me to buy an AV receiver, 3 pairs of expensive speakers, mid speaker, sub woofer, amplifier... you get the idea... lol A great talent. And thanks I'll look that up.
@AlexSora89 As I said to someone else on here, according to stats, only 1% of PC users have a PC capable of running these games at full whack. That's 99% of the master race talking rubbish. That aside they were talking about how if the PS5 comes out above $450 a lot of people will switch to PC because they are cheaper. So I looked up a guide to buying gaming PCs. Best budget PC came in at around $850. And that's the budget option. The rest were pretty much around the $1600 to well over $3000. Hardly seems cheaper to me.
@Nakatomi_Uk lol I really enjoyed the first game, despite all the issues, but 2 didn't appeal to me. So not really taken much notice of the goings on. I'm guessing all the same issues rehashed?
@kabal82 oh I don't disagree. There are people who will cheat whatever the platform. I suppose the main difference is console players have to get creative and find bugs to extort whereas on PC cheats are usually purpose built.
@Enuo @DonJorginho Boomer? Jeez guys, if you're going to use an insult at least use one correctly. You just make yourselves look stupid and sound like a couple of snowflakes. A baby boomer would be someone in their 70s. Boomers were the children born in the aftermath of the second world war.
I said at the time this was a bad idea because of PC cheaters and people in here told me I was talking rubbish. Others even had the gall to say PC users don't cheat. This was around the time The Division was falling apart due to cheaters.
@BearsEatBeets I just made my assumption on there being no load times in 3. So who knows. Perhaps after all this he means 2 and he was on an Xbox. lol Either way I guess we'll find out.
@Mythologue but they're not cheaper. That's just a myth. It's amazing, every PC user will tell you how great their PCs are and how they're far better than consoles, yet strangely if you look at the statistics of PC users on Steam who actually own PCs that are able to run all these games at full whack the numbers are around 1% of the PC user base. That's 99% talking rubbish. And why? Because to get those PCs that run all the stuff is darned expensive. Also I think people are generally either console players or PC players. There may be a few that don't care which way they lean but most do. So I don't agree many will leave to suddenly become PC gamers. I have an exceedingly fast computer that I use for my work at home but the thought of playing games on it fills me with dread. I'm far happier sat in my big comfy chair, with my big TV and surround sound system. If it means I'd have to save a little longer for the PS5 so be it. And I don't think I'm alone. But time will tell I guess.
It was a pain to begin with but you eventually get used to it. And, as @Carck said, use a keyboard and mouse and you'll get the same control features as the PC version. As for the long load times, I don't think that's exclusive to PS4. I think PCs have the same issue. Though also to @Carck I play it on both Pro and 1st Gen and there's no difference. Any possible improvements on the pro were lost by incorporating the upgraded textures. I really wish they'd given the option for lower res and better framerate.
I've always found the best way to get personalised advertising is to block personalised advertising. That way the adverts actually match the type of site you're looking at.
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Re: The Witcher 3 Announced for PS5, Free Upgrade for PS4 Owners
Very nice. Hoping R* will do the same with RDR2.
Re: PS5 Doesn't Have an Optical Audio Port
@Jayofmaya I'm afraid, even as a musician, you're talking about something entirely different to what I'm talking about. I'm saying data going into one end of a cable is not going come out differently the other end. It's all 1s and 0s. The cabling cannot alter the sound quality.
Yes, lowering bit and sample rates can reduce dynamic range and raise the noise floor but that's not something caused by cables. Cables do not have the ability to do that. All they can do is carry the data as it's presented. So a HDMI cable will not introduce noise. Any alterations are made prior to going through the cables.
On a side note, as a retired professional musician (since it seems to matter) altering bit rates will not necessarily degrade sound quality and can instead be a good thing. ie dynamic range. I love dynamic range in music etc, it's why I avoid remasters like the plague, but too much of it can be a danger to your hearing and system and can be easily solved by lowering the bit rate to a point where there's absolutely no discernable difference in sound quality. But that's a whole different topic.
Re: PS5 Doesn't Have an Optical Audio Port
@NEStalgia Wow... just wow. I really, really tried to not reply, after seeing your first post full of misinformation, but then after seeing your second... Talk about buzzwords and *****. "tell the difference between Dolby Atmos"??? All Atmos does is add extra channels for height speakers. It's not an improvement on any of Dolby's already lossless formats. Or are you suggesting some people can't hear sounds that come from above? As for all your rubbish about HDMI being noisy, talk of jitter (yawn, really? Someone obviously reads audiophile forums where everyone's an expert yet nobody has a clue what they're talking about) and whether using a combination of digital cables can degrade sound quality... total garbage. They all carry data. The data either gets to where it's going or it doesn't. The sound may be converted to a different format along the way, if you chose a cable that can't handle the data, but it's not degrading. It's not like making a copy of a CD to tape. That's not how computers work.
And that is simply all it comes down to, the amount of data an optical cable can carry. For Sony's new sound system to create 3D effects optical may not be enough.
But hey, at least you managed to fulfill your quota of audiophile buzzwords.
Re: This Stunning Dreams Creation Will Make You Question Real Life
Stunning. I've never tried dreams so have no idea what's needed to create something like this. But imagine it's a huge undertaking. Very reminiscent of Everybody's gone to the Rapture.
Re: PSN Down in Select Regions as Users Report Various Issues
Can't say I've had any issues this morning. UK.
Re: A Bunch More PS5 Box Art Has Emerged
Can't say I'm impressed. But as someone who hasn't bought a game on disc since mid PS3 life cycle I shouldn't really complain.
Re: Red Dead Online's Latest Update Has Broken the Game
Since the patch my horse no longer appears, no animals, Harriet has vanished, can't start any missions and my camp is forever being pitched but never actually turns up. So yeah, pretty much useless at the moment.
Re: Everyone Wants a New Splinter Cell Game, So Ubisoft's Making a Netflix Series
Not really into cartoons so I'll give it a miss.
Re: Cuphead Spotted on PlayStation Store, PS4 Announcement Seems Imminent
@ShogunRok ok, thanks. Been awaiting the multiplayer side and had been suggesting a friend get it but when I went to check, there it was... gone.
Re: Cuphead Spotted on PlayStation Store, PS4 Announcement Seems Imminent
Off topic I know but , talking of Indie games, @ShogunRok any idea why Stardew Valley has vanished off the PS Store?
Re: Cuphead Spotted on PlayStation Store, PS4 Announcement Seems Imminent
Excellent. About the only game on xBox I've really wanted... well that and Flight Simulator 2020 but that ain't ever going to happen.
Re: UK Sales Charts: F1 2020 Races Past The Last of Us 2 for Pole Position
@ApostateMage indeed. Especially with Lando at the wheel. He's come on leaps and bounds in the first two races of this season.
Re: Industry Rallies Around The Last of Us 2 Voice Actor After Hate Messages Are Revealed
@naruball it depends on the severity of the insult. For instance if you were to make fun of Boris's hair then the likely outcome is the Queen's guards will come get you. Punishment is death by firing squad.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Outsells the Entire UK Top 10 Combined in June
Good thinking. Easier than my method. I made a list of all the items I had, whilst in the last chapters, then used a process of elimination to work out where I needed to go. I'll suggest your method to my friend. Certainly saves a lot of time watching a loading screen.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Outsells the Entire UK Top 10 Combined in June
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L it's not a good system at all. Also not being shown which you have and which are missing doesn't help. Thankfully I only had 7 missing collectibles. I think if I'd had many more I'd have given up and just replayed. Having to sit through two loading screens on every chapter would have me tearing my hair out eventually. But like you say, a really fantastic game.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Outsells the Entire UK Top 10 Combined in June
@TheArt Yeah, enjoy it at your own pace. As I said to a friend of mine, who completed it in around 24 hours, you only ever get to play this game for the first time once, so why rush it? PS. If you're going for the platinum do yourself a favour. Make sure to make a manual save in the last chapter. As the chapter select system is a bit iffy.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Outsells the Entire UK Top 10 Combined in June
@TheArt Nice to see someone else is taking their time. I took 48 hours and 40 minutes to complete it. Missed 7 collectibles in total. Loved exploring each location and loved every minute of the game.
Re: Industry Rallies Around The Last of Us 2 Voice Actor After Hate Messages Are Revealed
@oldschool1987 you beat me to it. Was just going to say the same to @Gremio108. Also hope we're all aware we don't have free speech in the UK.
Re: PS5's Media Remote Is Super Slick, Includes a Microphone
I'll just continue getting Alexa to do it all for me. Far easier.
Re: 4K Footage of PS5 Games Will Follow 1080p, 30 Frames-Per-Second Reveal Event
@Spinachie I have 2 1080s, a 4k, and a 4k OLED if that helps? I use a 1080 for the PS4 Pro as I prefer frame rate over resolution when the game gives me the choice.
Re: 4K Footage of PS5 Games Will Follow 1080p, 30 Frames-Per-Second Reveal Event
@Kidfunkadelic83 I think the giveaway is in his name. I think his real happiness comes from misery. Remember the wise saying... don't feed the trolls.
Re: 4K Footage of PS5 Games Will Follow 1080p, 30 Frames-Per-Second Reveal Event
@Kidfunkadelic83 He's actually correct. There's no picture quality difference between 1080 and 4k, unless you're too close to the TV and you're starting to see pixels. The reason you can tell the difference when you downscale on a 4k TV is because you're downscaling. So 1 pixel is then having to be represented by 4 pixels, which of course then makes the 1080 look worse. But if you're at the "correct" seating distance you won't see any difference. It's like looking at a beach. From a distance you don't see the individual grains of sand. Get up close and there they are. The things that do make a difference is HDR and the introduction of OLED. 1080s never had HDR and older 4ks don't. Higher resolutions are just there to allow people to sit nearer than is sensible to bigger and bigger screens.
Re: Musician Accuses Naughty Dog of Stealing Arrangement for The Last of Us 2 Ad's Song
There's no real similarity between the two unless you class slowing down a track. If you listen to the TLOU version it's basically a slow acoustic version of the original with full chords. The other is using a picking style.
Re: PS5 Reveal Event Scheduled for Thursday Has Been Postponed
@Link41x No, I'm going on the way statistics are worked out. If they don't break up the statistics by individual countries I can't be blamed for that.
Re: PS5 Reveal Event Scheduled for Thursday Has Been Postponed
@Royalblues You know it's not just Sony doing this? Pretty much the entire music industry has said they're not releasing any music this week.
@Zach_99 The US market is smaller for the PS4 than it is in Europe. Something like 11 million less sold in the US.
Re: PS5 Reveal Event Scheduled for Thursday Has Been Postponed
@Akurusu Don't take it personally. This forum has always been filled with its fair share of idiots. I'm still shocked America is in this position after the shootings of Terrence Coleman and Charles Kinsey, both of whom should have been protected by the law, not had their lives destroyed by it. Those two cases alone should have changed everything.
Re: Maid of Sker Proves There Are Scarier Things in Wales Than the Sheep
@jdv95 The British, be it the Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or English, are all condescending towards each other at some point or other. Especially around the time of international rugby competitions. It's all just part of being British.
Also, despite what some others have said, Welsh is the main language in North and West Wales. It's seldom used in South Wales though.
Re: PS5 Games Will Be Cross-Gen for Some Time, Reckons Frogwares Dev
@Paranoimia Putting your PS4 games on the PS5's SSD would not be a good idea. They wouldn't really benefit from it and you'd just be wasting valuable space. You'd only want to do that if a game gets specifically optimised for the SSD.
Sorry just noticed others have said the same.
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@TrueAssassin86x Very true... but with the Radeon RX 5700XT, which isn't quite as powerful as the PS5, costing around $400 or the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, which is slightly better, costing around $1300 you'll only have to play for between 8 to 26 years to have saved any expenditure you'd have lost on paying for PS+... so, again, good thinking.
Re: Fortnite Breaks Record as 12 Million People Tune in for Travis Scott Concert
@nessisonett @Jayofmaya just to think 20 years ago 16 million + gamers were listening to jazz and loving it... probably not even realising it was Jazz. The joy of the original The Sims.
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@makina Just a guess but maybe it's because their PS4s are noisy... just a thought.
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@TrueAssassin86x And pay more for the privilege... good thinking.
Re: Soapbox: Everybody's Sports: Resort Is One of My PS5 Dream Games
There are a few arcade sports games but I guess they're predominantly driving games like Gran Turismo and Drive Club (RIP) So I'm all for a bit of alternative fun.
Re: Sumo Digital Has a Whopping 21 Games in Production Right Now
@Rudy_Manchego Cheers. Not heard of that one so will check it out.
Re: Sumo Digital Has a Whopping 21 Games in Production Right Now
@Rudy_Manchego Ah, good to know. She cost me a fortune. I started playing Everybody's gone to the rapture. I'd been umming and ahhhing about upgrading my speakers and that score, and the game sounds in general, ended up causing me to buy an AV receiver, 3 pairs of expensive speakers, mid speaker, sub woofer, amplifier... you get the idea... lol A great talent. And thanks I'll look that up.
Re: Sumo Digital Has a Whopping 21 Games in Production Right Now
@Rudy_Manchego Not sure if I'm correct but I'm sure she left The Chinese Room a few years back. Unless she's rejoined them since then?
Re: Strategic Western Desperados III Rides Onto PS4 in June
Looks interesting. As does Blade of the Shogun which somehow managed to stealthily sneak beneath my radar. Think I'll have to give these a try.
Re: This PS5 Console Mock-Up Looks Even Better in Black
Mine won't be in the same room as me so it can be whatever shape or colour it wants to be.
Re: Random: Kratos Becomes the Ultimate Duck Dad in God of War Tubbz Range
Release the Quacken!
Re: After Sony's Crossplay Kerfuffle, Call of Duty Fans Are Turning the Feature Off
@AlexSora89 As I said to someone else on here, according to stats, only 1% of PC users have a PC capable of running these games at full whack. That's 99% of the master race talking rubbish. That aside they were talking about how if the PS5 comes out above $450 a lot of people will switch to PC because they are cheaper. So I looked up a guide to buying gaming PCs. Best budget PC came in at around $850. And that's the budget option. The rest were pretty much around the $1600 to well over $3000. Hardly seems cheaper to me.
Re: After Sony's Crossplay Kerfuffle, Call of Duty Fans Are Turning the Feature Off
@Nakatomi_Uk lol I really enjoyed the first game, despite all the issues, but 2 didn't appeal to me. So not really taken much notice of the goings on. I'm guessing all the same issues rehashed?
Re: After Sony's Crossplay Kerfuffle, Call of Duty Fans Are Turning the Feature Off
@kabal82 oh I don't disagree. There are people who will cheat whatever the platform. I suppose the main difference is console players have to get creative and find bugs to extort whereas on PC cheats are usually purpose built.
Re: Supremely Skilled God of War Player Beats Hardest Boss with No Upgrades
@Enuo @DonJorginho Boomer? Jeez guys, if you're going to use an insult at least use one correctly. You just make yourselves look stupid and sound like a couple of snowflakes. A baby boomer would be someone in their 70s. Boomers were the children born in the aftermath of the second world war.
Re: After Sony's Crossplay Kerfuffle, Call of Duty Fans Are Turning the Feature Off
I said at the time this was a bad idea because of PC cheaters and people in here told me I was talking rubbish. Others even had the gall to say PC users don't cheat. This was around the time The Division was falling apart due to cheaters.
Re: The Outer Worlds Was Held Back by Console Memory Budgets
@BearsEatBeets I just made my assumption on there being no load times in 3. So who knows. Perhaps after all this he means 2 and he was on an Xbox. lol Either way I guess we'll find out.
Re: The Outer Worlds Was Held Back by Console Memory Budgets
@JesWood13 @BearsEatBeets He said The Witcher. Not The Witcher 3.
Re: Random: The Last of Us Made a Surprise Appearance on Quiz Show Jeopardy
@GamingFan4Lyf you're not wrong there. Just that some are more animal than human it seems.
Re: Rumour: PS5 Will Have Shorter Supply Than PS4 at Launch, Delay Unlikely with High Price
@Mythologue but they're not cheaper. That's just a myth. It's amazing, every PC user will tell you how great their PCs are and how they're far better than consoles, yet strangely if you look at the statistics of PC users on Steam who actually own PCs that are able to run all these games at full whack the numbers are around 1% of the PC user base. That's 99% talking rubbish. And why? Because to get those PCs that run all the stuff is darned expensive. Also I think people are generally either console players or PC players. There may be a few that don't care which way they lean but most do. So I don't agree many will leave to suddenly become PC gamers. I have an exceedingly fast computer that I use for my work at home but the thought of playing games on it fills me with dread. I'm far happier sat in my big comfy chair, with my big TV and surround sound system. If it means I'd have to save a little longer for the PS5 so be it. And I don't think I'm alone. But time will tell I guess.
Re: Soapbox: The Sims 4 Is a Travesty on PS4
It was a pain to begin with but you eventually get used to it. And, as @Carck said, use a keyboard and mouse and you'll get the same control features as the PC version. As for the long load times, I don't think that's exclusive to PS4. I think PCs have the same issue. Though also to @Carck I play it on both Pro and 1st Gen and there's no difference. Any possible improvements on the pro were lost by incorporating the upgraded textures. I really wish they'd given the option for lower res and better framerate.
Re: Site News: Would You Kindly Complete Our Reader Survey?
I've always found the best way to get personalised advertising is to block personalised advertising. That way the adverts actually match the type of site you're looking at.