This is also the first generation where console manufacturers didn't foot the bill for the first two years, no such thing as subsiding the cost of hardware this time.
It means nothing, Sony will follow through their strategy since it has been working for over 30 years and Microsoft will most likely fail on their strategy again because people who aren't tech savy will get confused and people who are will probably build a PC with SteamOS.
@Questionable_Duck Those games didn't sell because "they were marketed by Microsoft", they sold because P5 became a multimedia hit and the Persona brand finally got mainstream attention, and that was even before ATLUS decided to go multiplat.
If Microsoft marketing was any good they should use it, had a guy last week asking me when Avowed and Hellblade 2 would be out.
@nessisonett I'm not part of the problem, I'm the consumer and any creature siding with SAG-AFTRA is literally bringing more harm to the industry than AI ever will. FFS, this entire strike hasn't been about AI for a while now, it was to secure exclusivity rights for SAG-AFTRA. Negotiations stopped once companies saw that one clause and bailed out.
Just a reminder: Capcom had to fight microsoft to publish MvC Collection because Xbox had phased out support for MT Framework. Microsoft had to provide personal support for Larian otherwise BG3 wouldn't even release on Series.
So yeah, this smells less like "Sony exclusivity deal" and more like "Microsoft sheer incompetence on making a decent console and providing decent support"
Not just Max, the whole FGC lost their marvels, I mean, marbles over this reveal. Even I screamed like him when I saw what was going on.
Its a mix of both happiness and sadness, happiness because finally a new marvel fighting game, sadness because this game might have killed any chances of a MvC4.
@ATaco I'd say their design was normal for both male and female characters. In fact they did such a good job that you can guess a character's role, personality and other characteristics just by looking at the silhouette.
People are overcomplicating things. A good game sells, a good game with good design will ALWAYS sell.
Case in point, this year we had Clair Obscure: Expedition 33, a game that was good and had good character designs, not oversexualized like Stellar Blade nor it was Veilguard/Concord levels of bad.
@Serialsid They add numbers, just not numbers that will stick around for more than a month. No reason to have an ongoing GP subscription if you don't own an Xbox.
It became so bad Bethesda had to sponsor some streamers this week and also host their own stream. Problem being no one was watching, there were more people watching Expedition 33 than people watching Doom TDA, and that game is already beyond the peak engagement window.
Engagement is good? Yes, as long it sells. Expedition 33 is still engaging people and selling like hotcakes, Doom TDA isn't.
It was mainly used for cashback, and not even good cashback.
Though I did managed to get some games with a hefty discount by Stars and some cashback from my bank, I did not recommend this service to anyone I knew because the rewards weren't good enough.
Wanna know the irony? He spoke at Gamescom LATAM, an event held in south america where if you have a daily wage of $80 you are already in the top 1% on most countries there.
$80 might be a "steal" for NA, but for other countries it just damn expensive no matter what you offer. Localized prices would help people to see value and help with sales.
Of course morale is down low, this is the third time they got caught. Not only that but they might have to scrap the entire game since not only the artwork but the whole artstyle was based on those stolen assets.
@Rich33 Denuvo isn't exactly better than other solutions, just the most used. Also, it doesn't stop people from trying to pirate your game, but it does punish anyone who actually bought the game if it is implemented in a wrong way.
If anything, I'd just wait for the game to hit GoG or for ShiftUP to remove Denuvo in a year or two.
This is an arcade like title priced as a modern fighting game. While the gameplay is good, it isn't enough to sell a game at that premium price anymore.
@Oram77 I know, my gripe with it is more the fact they are trying to make the genre work falling in the same old pitfalls instead of analyzing why it doesn't work.
Name a more iconic couple in games than Bungie and asset stealing. Third time is the charm right?
I think the whole bunch Live Service studios Sony bought are turning out to be not worth the money they paid, and the only that could be worth the money isn't going to work with Sony in their next game.
While Denuvo isn't a dealbreaker for me, I'd like for games to not have it. Mainly because most devs do not even know how to properly implement that tech which does lead to loss in performance.
@naruball Not really, but it has become a standard to offer more than two years of support. It also might affect the sales, why should I buy the next MK if I'm only gonna get like two years of content and support? For the same money I could get SF6 that will still offer me things to do or to look forward.
Yeah, not when your competitors are doing 5+ years. Hells, even Virtua Fighter came back from the grave and will receive more support than MK1 ever did.
I mean, HZD got a remaster, Spider-Man got a remaster, TLOU got so many remasters I lost count, Days Gone got one and even Until Dawn got a remaster.
So, games that didn't need one and honestly no one cares got a remaster, meanwhile other Sony IP are still locked on their respective platforms with no way to be played, no wonder people are pissed.
If you ain't gonna release a remaster at least put them into PS Plus or something.
@heavyartillery56 But in this case it isn't even reinventing the wheel, its a thing that they do every 7~8 years. Even Microsoft leaked documents two years ago said that development on their next console was evaluating x86 vs ARM cost.
Also, compatibility layers are a thing now, and it has advanced to the point that even companies like Google, Amazon and Microsoft, their Azure side of business, are swapping their x86 servers for ARM ones.
Ironically enough Trump wasn't in office when most price hikes happened yet people blame him.
However I do know that manufacturing waffles for x86 chips and GPU chips got hella expensive over the last decade. Expensive enough for Intel to stay on 14nm++++++++++++++² for almost 5 years due to the fact it was quite inexpensive for them to manufacture it. ARM on the other hand became cheaper to manufacture and offers comparable performance, main reason why Apple was the first to migrate to ARM, they could maintain their performance and still have a profit when manufacturing their macbooks.
So, dare I say staying on x86 wasn't exactly the best move for both Sony and Microsoft?
Problem being: Sony can't really mandate a company to put their entire game on BD.
They can however demand a clear indicator in the box art saying the game isn't fully in the disk, and they could also refuse to promote those games via State of Play or other kind of outlets.
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Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
This is also the first generation where console manufacturers didn't foot the bill for the first two years, no such thing as subsiding the cost of hardware this time.
Re: The Next Xbox Is a PC, So What Does That Mean for PS6?
It means nothing, Sony will follow through their strategy since it has been working for over 30 years and Microsoft will most likely fail on their strategy again because people who aren't tech savy will get confused and people who are will probably build a PC with SteamOS.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 585
Ragnarok Online with my brother and Helldivers 2. Now that Sony lifted the restrictions we might see an influx of players.
Re: Stellar Blade Immediately Breaks Sony's Peak Single Player Record on PC
Also a fun fact:
If we include Stellar Blade, 4 of the top 5 do not include the region block.
Maybe Sony should really back down from that stupid decision.
Re: Days Gone Dev Hit with Layoffs, Loses 30% of Staff
@Questionable_Duck
Those games didn't sell because "they were marketed by Microsoft", they sold because P5 became a multimedia hit and the Persona brand finally got mainstream attention, and that was even before ATLUS decided to go multiplat.
If Microsoft marketing was any good they should use it, had a guy last week asking me when Avowed and Hellblade 2 would be out.
Re: Days Gone Dev Hit with Layoffs, Loses 30% of Staff
I still think these layoffs would happen even if the live-service game happened.
Anyways, hope the new project is a syphon filter remake/reboot.
Re: Video Game Actor Strike Over AI Concerns Could Finally Be Close to an End
@nessisonett
I'm not part of the problem, I'm the consumer and any creature siding with SAG-AFTRA is literally bringing more harm to the industry than AI ever will.
FFS, this entire strike hasn't been about AI for a while now, it was to secure exclusivity rights for SAG-AFTRA. Negotiations stopped once companies saw that one clause and bailed out.
Re: Video Game Actor Strike Over AI Concerns Could Finally Be Close to an End
More like SAG-AFTRA gave up after all their VAs were replaced for a better english speaking alternative in some other country.
@nessisonett
I'll do my part by boycotting any game that has a SAG-AFTRA VA.
Re: 'Good Luck with That' - The Outer Worlds 2 $80 Price Has Gone Down Horribly with PS5 Players
Kudos to Obsidian for managing to release two commercial flops in a single year, because no way in hell people are gonna buy this game for $80.
Re: Sounds Like Switch 2 May Have Obliterated PS5's Launch Record in France
Honestly? I would be surprised if it didn't break any records.
Re: Hollow Knight: Silksong Is Coming Out Before Holiday 2025, Team Cherry Confirms
Heard that one before, Phil Spencer said that all games shown in Xbox showcase 2022 would be available before the next showcase in 2023...
Its 2025.
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
This is reasonable, I mean, P4 is supposed to be more vibrant than P3 and P5, yet all I saw was light washing out colors from objects.
Re: PS5's Brilliant New State of Play Breaks Records for Sony
Ironically enough, this was the most "japanese" SoP we had in a while.
Also, given the fact the green side is fuming I guess Sony really understood the assignment.
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Secret PS5 Exclusivity Saga Rages Again
Just a reminder: Capcom had to fight microsoft to publish MvC Collection because Xbox had phased out support for MT Framework. Microsoft had to provide personal support for Larian otherwise BG3 wouldn't even release on Series.
So yeah, this smells less like "Sony exclusivity deal" and more like "Microsoft sheer incompetence on making a decent console and providing decent support"
Re: New PS5 Firmware Update Appears to Fix VRR Stuttering Issues
Cool, maybe this means PS5 could become freesync compatible sometime?
Re: Here's Fighting Game Fan Maximilian Dood's Viral Reaction to PS5, PC's New Marvel Fighter
Not just Max, the whole FGC lost their marvels, I mean, marbles over this reveal. Even I screamed like him when I saw what was going on.
Its a mix of both happiness and sadness, happiness because finally a new marvel fighting game, sadness because this game might have killed any chances of a MvC4.
Re: PlayStation Gets Guilty Gear Dev to Make Insane Marvel Fighting Game for PS5
@Ashina A whole hour later and Max still losing his mind.
Anyways I think both MvC and Tokkon will happen.
Tokkon is exclusive to PS5 and PC, MvC might be a true multiplatform title.
Re: Outriders, Bulletstorm Dev People Can Fly Cancels Two Games, Layoffs Imminent
@Titntin
No need to pray, they can fly.
Re: Stellar Blade's PC Demo Peaks Higher Than Some Blockbuster Games, Runs Flawlessly
@ATaco
I'd say their design was normal for both male and female characters. In fact they did such a good job that you can guess a character's role, personality and other characteristics just by looking at the silhouette.
Re: Microtransactions Reach New Low in Call of Duty
@AdamNovice
Activision isn't, Xbox division on the other hand probably is.
Re: Stellar Blade's PC Demo Peaks Higher Than Some Blockbuster Games, Runs Flawlessly
People are overcomplicating things.
A good game sells, a good game with good design will ALWAYS sell.
Case in point, this year we had Clair Obscure: Expedition 33, a game that was good and had good character designs, not oversexualized like Stellar Blade nor it was Veilguard/Concord levels of bad.
Re: Elden Ring Nightreign's Massive Success Proves There's a Future for Online Souls
@kyleforrester87
People with no friends are giving it low ratings, people with friends are giving it a solid 7/10.
Re: Borderlands 4 Boss Writes Grovelling Apology for Implying 'Real Fans' Will Pay $80 for PS5 Game
That's not an apology, that's literally gaslighting.
Re: Sony Temporarily Cuts the Price of PS5 in China as It Seeks to Build Market Share
@PlatinumMikey
They are literally the same thing.
Now, if you game on Linux then maybe you gonna have a better experience.
Re: PS5, PC Live Service Fairgames Is a 'Super Clunky' Cross Between Fortnite and The Division
And another one down,
And another one down,
Another one bites the dust.
Third time is the charm Sony, just forget this stupid shooter idea and focus on other genres. Or better, just give us Killzone/Resistance.
Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine 2's Free Horde Mode Deploys in June
They also announced a remaster of Space Marine 1, just not on PS5.
Re: Analytics Firm Predicts Paltry Full-Price Sales for DOOM: The Dark Ages on PS5
@Serialsid
They add numbers, just not numbers that will stick around for more than a month.
No reason to have an ongoing GP subscription if you don't own an Xbox.
Re: Analytics Firm Predicts Paltry Full-Price Sales for DOOM: The Dark Ages on PS5
It became so bad Bethesda had to sponsor some streamers this week and also host their own stream.
Problem being no one was watching, there were more people watching Expedition 33 than people watching Doom TDA, and that game is already beyond the peak engagement window.
Engagement is good? Yes, as long it sells.
Expedition 33 is still engaging people and selling like hotcakes, Doom TDA isn't.
Re: PlayStation Stars Rewards Program Shutting Down, Sony Confirms
It was mainly used for cashback, and not even good cashback.
Though I did managed to get some games with a hefty discount by Stars and some cashback from my bank, I did not recommend this service to anyone I knew because the rewards weren't good enough.
Re: DOOM: The Dark Ages Attracts Three Million Players, Dev's Biggest Launch in Its History
"7x faster to 3M players than Doom Eternal"
They do know this means nothing right? Someone inventing numbers and metrics to keep their jobs and please some unaware shareholders.
Re: Fortnite's AI Voiced Darth Vader Is Causing More Chaos in the Games Industry
Nothing new, SAG-AFTRA acting like a mafia, like all unions are
Also, this was a deal between Disney, the AI company and JEJ estate, unions have nothing to do with this.
Re: Beloved Ex-PlayStation Boss Believes $70, $80 Games Are a Steal
Wanna know the irony?
He spoke at Gamescom LATAM, an event held in south america where if you have a daily wage of $80 you are already in the top 1% on most countries there.
$80 might be a "steal" for NA, but for other countries it just damn expensive no matter what you offer. Localized prices would help people to see value and help with sales.
Re: Marathon Maker's Morale in Tatters as Art Director Forced to Admit Asset Theft in Ill-Conceived Livestream
Of course morale is down low, this is the third time they got caught.
Not only that but they might have to scrap the entire game since not only the artwork but the whole artstyle was based on those stolen assets.
Re: Inquiry Already Underway Over Lacklustre DOOM: The Dark Ages Opening
Funny, I was talking about this with a friend yesterday, also noticing that very few people are streaming it.
Re: Stellar Blade PC Dev Discussing Region Lock Issue with Sony
@Rich33
Denuvo isn't exactly better than other solutions, just the most used.
Also, it doesn't stop people from trying to pirate your game, but it does punish anyone who actually bought the game if it is implemented in a wrong way.
If anything, I'd just wait for the game to hit GoG or for ShiftUP to remove Denuvo in a year or two.
Re: PS5 Action RPG The First Berserker: Khazan Didn't Meet Sales Expectations, But Nexon's Oddly Unbothered
Means the selling part would be a plus to their plan but not exactly the main objective.
More people now know Dungeon & Fighter is a thing.
Re: Despite Unfathomable Marketing Spend, Fatal Fury Appears to Have Flopped
This is an arcade like title priced as a modern fighting game.
While the gameplay is good, it isn't enough to sell a game at that premium price anymore.
Re: Like It or Loathe It, This Is Why Sony Won't Stop Trying to Make Live Service Games for PS5
@Oram77
I know, my gripe with it is more the fact they are trying to make the genre work falling in the same old pitfalls instead of analyzing why it doesn't work.
Re: Like It or Loathe It, This Is Why Sony Won't Stop Trying to Make Live Service Games for PS5
Live service comes in many shapes and forms, it just doesn't help Sony thinks a bunch of extraction shooters will hit the mark.
Re: Bungie Conducting 'Thorough Review' After Plagiarised Art Is Found in Marathon
Name a more iconic couple in games than Bungie and asset stealing. Third time is the charm right?
I think the whole bunch Live Service studios Sony bought are turning out to be not worth the money they paid, and the only that could be worth the money isn't going to work with Sony in their next game.
Re: Stellar Blade PC Is Not Available in 129 Countries, And Dev Shift Up Didn't Seem to Know
While Denuvo isn't a dealbreaker for me, I'd like for games to not have it. Mainly because most devs do not even know how to properly implement that tech which does lead to loss in performance.
Re: Fairgames, One of Sony's Last Live-Service PS5 Games, Loses Studio Founder Amid Internal Worries
Hey, you could put the studio to a good use, just make them work on a Killzone or Resistance remaster.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Can't Stop the Ubisoft Rot of Star Wars Outlaws and XDefiant
@dskatter
That would be impossible, they refused to share the numbers when asked by a stakeholder.
Re: Mortal Kombat Fans Are Fuming MK1's Support Appears to Be Over
@naruball
Not really, but it has become a standard to offer more than two years of support.
It also might affect the sales, why should I buy the next MK if I'm only gonna get like two years of content and support? For the same money I could get SF6 that will still offer me things to do or to look forward.
Re: Mortal Kombat Fans Are Fuming MK1's Support Appears to Be Over
"Two years of support is enough"
Yeah, not when your competitors are doing 5+ years.
Hells, even Virtua Fighter came back from the grave and will receive more support than MK1 ever did.
Re: God of War Fans Are Still Demanding Remasters of Kratos' Earlier Games
I mean, HZD got a remaster, Spider-Man got a remaster, TLOU got so many remasters I lost count, Days Gone got one and even Until Dawn got a remaster.
So, games that didn't need one and honestly no one cares got a remaster, meanwhile other Sony IP are still locked on their respective platforms with no way to be played, no wonder people are pissed.
If you ain't gonna release a remaster at least put them into PS Plus or something.
Re: Even More PS5 Price Increases Being Considered by Sony
@heavyartillery56
But in this case it isn't even reinventing the wheel, its a thing that they do every 7~8 years. Even Microsoft leaked documents two years ago said that development on their next console was evaluating x86 vs ARM cost.
Also, compatibility layers are a thing now, and it has advanced to the point that even companies like Google, Amazon and Microsoft, their Azure side of business, are swapping their x86 servers for ARM ones.
Re: Even More PS5 Price Increases Being Considered by Sony
Ironically enough Trump wasn't in office when most price hikes happened yet people blame him.
However I do know that manufacturing waffles for x86 chips and GPU chips got hella expensive over the last decade. Expensive enough for Intel to stay on 14nm++++++++++++++² for almost 5 years due to the fact it was quite inexpensive for them to manufacture it.
ARM on the other hand became cheaper to manufacture and offers comparable performance, main reason why Apple was the first to migrate to ARM, they could maintain their performance and still have a profit when manufacturing their macbooks.
So, dare I say staying on x86 wasn't exactly the best move for both Sony and Microsoft?
Re: Hot PS5s Cause Havoc at Sony's EVO Japan Grand Final
Either you swap the console every X matches or develop a special one just for tournaments, which would be ideal tbh.
Re: Reaction: Game Key PS5 Discs Are a Disgrace, and Sony Should Put a Stop to Them
Problem being: Sony can't really mandate a company to put their entire game on BD.
They can however demand a clear indicator in the box art saying the game isn't fully in the disk, and they could also refuse to promote those games via State of Play or other kind of outlets.