Y'know, Tekken producer was on stage this last weekend and apologized to the public, said it was a mistake to let a new team to handle Tekken and that they'll bring the old team to fix things and teach the new team how to handle stuff, also that they should have listened the community and this will not happen again.
The same guy who is famous for using a shirt saying "Don't ask me for sh*t" mind you.
So, a new patch for NRFTW drops after a year of nothing happening, it makes the grind unbearable and it has an unbalanced difficulty spike, people complain and instead of listening the feedback and fixing, the dev basically says "people are wrong, the game is awesome, this is a review bombing, please if you support leave a positive review or else we might have to shutdown", how do you think people should feel towards the game? I don't know about other people, but I know every interest I had in this game died with this drama.
For a bundle it is a good deal, you just checkout and wait for it to arrive.
But as other people pointed out, you can get a better deal if you wait a little and take advantage of multiple deals that will appear over the next weeks.
Nah, while there is some review bombing the show was dropped by the casual crowd, they hated the fact Joel isn't in the show anymore. Hells, I've got two people in my social circle who never played the game and thought it was a stupid idea to remove the only character they would ever root for.
@GeeForce The thing is: its easy to botch a PC port due to the fact you can't target specific hardware due to the modular nature of PC, a thing that, in theory, isn't possible to do with consoles because the hardware specs are static, they won't change for 6-7 years.
Also, both Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal released with little to no problems and mostly stable performance in all platforms.
In US, the average "disposable money" hovers around the $80 mark according to some research, that is money you can afford to spend in a certain product you consider essential for your living standards.
So a lot of people paying $80 for a deluxe edition doesn't surprise me as much.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare @Puketapu That's still keeping it in the same area, though. The idea is to have an assembly line and distribution center in every major region.
Why ship everything from Asia? Just ship the components.
@OldGamer999 I'll do you one better: why not make the global part in global market a real thing and start assembling products all around the globe instead of just China?
No reason why we should stick to China when almost every major region in the globe have the resources to support an assembly line and a local distribution center.
It only sparks chatter because Square said turn based RPGs are dead, yet every year we get at least one smash hit turn based RPG.
But then again, ever since the Spirits Within fiasco I get the feeling Square is trying to prove FF works more as a movie than a game, and almost every time some twist of destiny proves them wrong.
Yeah, about that, I'm also a developer and my take on this is basically: while his points are valid, when planning a release date you MUST take into consideration any kind of surprise that might happen on that day.
Even if Oblivion wasn't shadow dropping, it could have been a game that was supposed to release the next week but got brought forward to that day instead. It doesn't happen very often but it does happen.
Also, my brother in christ I've never heard of your game before the whole complaining happened, if anything Oblivion helped you more than your marketing strategy.
@RoomWithaMoose Basically every US president has to tackle some basic things, mainly the ever increasing debt that generates an ever increasing inflation. Not only that but with the loss of entry and mid level jobs due to many factors it became almost impossible to balance things out. It also doesn't help that most entry/mid level jobs are related to manufacturing, directly or indirectly.
Tariffs are one way to do that, if applied the right way it should generate enough jobs, the other is putting a hard cap on government expenses and cutting all fat you can find.
I know where Orange man is coming from and why he is doing what he does, what I don't know is if his strategy will work or if it will work as fast as he thinks it will.
"Ubisoft’s lawyers, however, have hit back, arguing there’s no reason for players to believe they were purchasing 'unfettered ownership rights in the game'."
Yeah, about that, they bought a product and expected it to work. This isn't about ownership rights but rather about selling a product that doesn't work anymore if the company pulls the plug and not offering any compensation when that happens.
Also, if you're going by the ownership rights route one could also argue on court that not only Ubisoft didn't make that explicit, they also sold the product at the same price as similar products that you could really own, which could make this a false advertising case under certain courts.
@GirlVersusGame I've dropped the 12-month for a monthly subscription, mainly because it made no sense money wise to grab the 12-month since you only save the cost of one monthly and a couple of days.
They should localize the prices for those countries, but we all know it won't happen.
Seeing a lot of brazilians saying this new hike basically puts the 12-month PS Plus Deluxe at 1/2 and the 12-month PS Plus Essential at 1/4 their monthly minimum wage. This is absurd.
Personally? Up to $100 it doesn't affect me since I usually buy one D1 release per quarter and wait for a 35%+ discount on anything else.
But it might affect those that buy more than one newly released game per quarter or even more than one per month.
While I can see why companies need to hike the prices, like, for real we oughta be paying close to $120 according to the last report I saw on development costs x inflation rate since the 90's, I can also see that there is no market for that kind of price because its not benefical for consumers.
Who is laughing now? Capcom. Wilds probably sold at least 3x more than Shadows and will sell more once the updates and the inevitable expansion are out too.
All that while having a damn solid game and no PR nightmare to deal with.
@themightyant I'd say its different from Sony releasing a game on PC. For Sony its just extra money in most cases, those games usually sell well enough on Playstation. For Xbox on the other hand, those games didn't sell enough units on their original target platform, releasing on other platforms is just a way to avert a major loss of revenue, keyword here being revenue because it will most likely not turn into profit.
Also, this is just me but I think the Xbox brand on some titles might hurt sales more than not having it. CoD and Doom gets a pass because most people don't associate those brands to Xbox or Microsoft, same with Minecraft.
One of my coworkers escaped from a country where the government forces a union upon you and you can't opt out, at least not without spending a lot time filing some lawsuits and even then most judges rule against you because "it might hurt the rights of other workers"
I already had a low opinion on unions, hearing his story and reading all this SAG-AFTRA drama just proves to me that unions hurt workers more than a bad company ever will.
This probably means Shadows isn't going to reach the sales milestones in time, or at all.
And yes, while this restructuring would happen anyways even if Shadows sold well enough, its the timing and the actors involved in this that say a lot about the situation.
I mean, of course they're gonna say that, I don't think there is any company in the world that would go "hey its playable internally and it just plain sucks"
No professional outlet that praises itself as being professional will bash the game for one minor nitpick, they will analyse it properly and weight the pros and cons.
I don't see why this needs to be news, you don't need to defend a good game but people seem rather eager to defend Shadows.
Even on the possibility this game hasn't flopped, which is quite possible since we also don't know how many units it needs to sell, it ain't the silver bullet to solve Ubisoft underlying problems.
@themightyant People should wait for Q1 report, which will probably come out on May.
@Glorioso In general or just for this kind of scam? In general it is a pretty lenghty process, for this kind of scam it is quite easy:
Lets create a company called Fictional Company A Interactive and do the whole process of getting certified, we got approved, got the devkit and even managed to release our game.
Despite all that it didn't work out and we filed for bankrupcy.
Cue in Scam Company B, they offer to buy our company assets, including IP and trademarks, we sell it.
Scam Company B now gets renamed to Fictional Company A Interactive and has access to all the licenses that company had.
Scam Company B starts pumping shovelware into stores until it gets caught and banned.
I was about to do a Copilot joke but it seems someone beat me to it. Sadge.
Anyways, title aside, this will happen more and more as PS5 devkits start to appear in the wild. Sony is as strict as they can with this stuff, but once a company goes down it becomes harder to track those devkits.
Honestly? This pales in comparison to what they did to a historical figure known for her loyalty to her husband.
As a said before, if it was one thing they screwed up it would be fine, but this has been a PR nightmare from the start and now it will only escalate further since japanese government will be involved.
No such thing as a dead genre, you just need good games. I mean, except light gun games, band games and dance games, those genres are dead since you also need special hardware for those.
Just remember that Ubisoft isn't in a good financial spot right now, and they NEED this game to be a success despite the PR blunder this whole gig has been.
But I'm sure they'll use lawyer to protect their employees and not to shutdown any negative review, right? Right?
Also, funny how companies that make good games, or at least games with the bare minimum their fans expect, face little to no aggresive backlash from fans. Maybe, just maybe, try doing that next time?
Comments 878
Re: Ori, No Rest for the Wicked CEO Says Studio Could Close, Then Backtracks
Y'know, Tekken producer was on stage this last weekend and apologized to the public, said it was a mistake to let a new team to handle Tekken and that they'll bring the old team to fix things and teach the new team how to handle stuff, also that they should have listened the community and this will not happen again.
The same guy who is famous for using a shirt saying "Don't ask me for sh*t" mind you.
So, a new patch for NRFTW drops after a year of nothing happening, it makes the grind unbearable and it has an unbalanced difficulty spike, people complain and instead of listening the feedback and fixing, the dev basically says "people are wrong, the game is awesome, this is a review bombing, please if you support leave a positive review or else we might have to shutdown", how do you think people should feel towards the game? I don't know about other people, but I know every interest I had in this game died with this drama.
Re: PS Plus Premium Sub Is the Highlight of New PS5 Console Bundle
For a bundle it is a good deal, you just checkout and wait for it to arrive.
But as other people pointed out, you can get a better deal if you wait a little and take advantage of multiple deals that will appear over the next weeks.
Re: Just Like the Game, The Last of Us 2's TV Adaptation Is Getting Review Bombed
Nah, while there is some review bombing the show was dropped by the casual crowd, they hated the fact Joel isn't in the show anymore.
Hells, I've got two people in my social circle who never played the game and thought it was a stupid idea to remove the only character they would ever root for.
Re: PS5 Fans Furious As Microsoft Ships DOOM: The Dark Ages with Just 85MB on the Disc
A BD disc can fit up to 128GB of data depending on what format you're using, you can fit an entire game on it and still have space.
If you're gonna use only 85MB of an entire 100+GB media why not just go full digital and cut costs?
Re: Poor Showing for DOOM: The Dark Ages on PS5 Pro
@GeeForce
The thing is: its easy to botch a PC port due to the fact you can't target specific hardware due to the modular nature of PC, a thing that, in theory, isn't possible to do with consoles because the hardware specs are static, they won't change for 6-7 years.
Also, both Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal released with little to no problems and mostly stable performance in all platforms.
Re: Sony's New First-Party Studio Working on Lighthearted Team-Based Action Game for PS5
Just from the description alone, I already know they'll have to rebrand to teamLFJ soon.
Re: Ghost of Yotei PS5 Pre-Orders Show Players Are Willing to Pay $80, Even When They Don't Have To
In US, the average "disposable money" hovers around the $80 mark according to some research, that is money you can afford to spend in a certain product you consider essential for your living standards.
So a lot of people paying $80 for a deluxe edition doesn't surprise me as much.
Re: Expedition 33 Is Increasing in Popularity with Each Successive Week
Square and Ubi crying in a forgotten corner right now.
Re: GTA 6 Delayed to 2026, Out on 26th May 2026
The fact that this news came right after Microsoft announced the price hike makes could mean two things:
GTA VI might cost $80 or Rockstar might be evaluating pricing and decided to wait to see if all platforms will follow through.
Re: PS5 Pro Is No Longer the Most Expensive Console You Can Buy
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare @Puketapu
That's still keeping it in the same area, though.
The idea is to have an assembly line and distribution center in every major region.
Why ship everything from Asia? Just ship the components.
Re: PS5 Pro Is No Longer the Most Expensive Console You Can Buy
@OldGamer999
I'll do you one better: why not make the global part in global market a real thing and start assembling products all around the globe instead of just China?
No reason why we should stick to China when almost every major region in the globe have the resources to support an assembly line and a local distribution center.
Re: This Is One Way for PS5 Sensation Marvel Rivals to Print Money
Glad to know someone at Marvel still loves money, especially after Tom Brevoort braindead takes yesterday.
Re: Expedition 33's Sublime Success Sparks Chatter About Final Fantasy's Future
It only sparks chatter because Square said turn based RPGs are dead, yet every year we get at least one smash hit turn based RPG.
But then again, ever since the Spirits Within fiasco I get the feeling Square is trying to prove FF works more as a movie than a game, and almost every time some twist of destiny proves them wrong.
Re: Not Everyone Loved Oblivion Remastered's Shadow Drop
Yeah, about that, I'm also a developer and my take on this is basically: while his points are valid, when planning a release date you MUST take into consideration any kind of surprise that might happen on that day.
Even if Oblivion wasn't shadow dropping, it could have been a game that was supposed to release the next week but got brought forward to that day instead. It doesn't happen very often but it does happen.
Also, my brother in christ I've never heard of your game before the whole complaining happened, if anything Oblivion helped you more than your marketing strategy.
Re: PS5's Worst Kept Secret Could Now Be Days Away
Haven't we been hearing this since February and every week is like "Oblivion Remake could drop next week" ?
If you believe this, my brother in Christ, I do not only have a bridge to sell you, I also have the sequel to the acclaimed indie title Hollow Knight.
Re: PS5 Price Increases Announced by Sony, Immediately Affects UK, Europe, and More
@RoomWithaMoose
Basically every US president has to tackle some basic things, mainly the ever increasing debt that generates an ever increasing inflation.
Not only that but with the loss of entry and mid level jobs due to many factors it became almost impossible to balance things out. It also doesn't help that most entry/mid level jobs are related to manufacturing, directly or indirectly.
Tariffs are one way to do that, if applied the right way it should generate enough jobs, the other is putting a hard cap on government expenses and cutting all fat you can find.
I know where Orange man is coming from and why he is doing what he does, what I don't know is if his strategy will work or if it will work as fast as he thinks it will.
Re: PS5 Price Increases Announced by Sony, Affect UK, Europe, and More
@Nyne11Tyme
I mean, if what Trumps is doing works we will finally get a chance to see proper globalism working in the long term.
Re: Bungie's New PS5 Shooter Marathon Grabs September Release Date
I wasn't sold on the idea but after watching the trailer I can now say that this game really isn't my cup of tea.
Re: Fans of the Neo Geo Pocket Color Will Want to Try This New PS5, PS4 Fighter
I thought the game released already, but it seems it was early access.
Anyways, congrats to the team, they really deserved it.
Re: Comments from Ubisoft's Legal Team Are Not Going to Improve the Embattled Publisher's Image
"Ubisoft’s lawyers, however, have hit back, arguing there’s no reason for players to believe they were purchasing 'unfettered ownership rights in the game'."
Yeah, about that, they bought a product and expected it to work.
This isn't about ownership rights but rather about selling a product that doesn't work anymore if the company pulls the plug and not offering any compensation when that happens.
Also, if you're going by the ownership rights route one could also argue on court that not only Ubisoft didn't make that explicit, they also sold the product at the same price as similar products that you could really own, which could make this a false advertising case under certain courts.
Re: PS Plus Price Increases Confirmed for 15 Countries by Sony
@GirlVersusGame
I've dropped the 12-month for a monthly subscription, mainly because it made no sense money wise to grab the 12-month since you only save the cost of one monthly and a couple of days.
Re: PS Plus Price Increases Confirmed for 15 Countries by Sony
They should localize the prices for those countries, but we all know it won't happen.
Seeing a lot of brazilians saying this new hike basically puts the 12-month PS Plus Deluxe at 1/2 and the 12-month PS Plus Essential at 1/4 their monthly minimum wage. This is absurd.
Re: Talking Point: What Are Your Thoughts on Potential $80 PS5 Games?
Personally? Up to $100 it doesn't affect me since I usually buy one D1 release per quarter and wait for a 35%+ discount on anything else.
But it might affect those that buy more than one newly released game per quarter or even more than one per month.
While I can see why companies need to hike the prices, like, for real we oughta be paying close to $120 according to the last report I saw on development costs x inflation rate since the 90's, I can also see that there is no market for that kind of price because its not benefical for consumers.
Re: Almost All the UK's Boxed Copies of Assassin's Creed Shadows Sold on PS5 Last Week
@Paramahansa
My brother in Chist, Wilds sold 10M and we still haven't seen any hint of sale numbers from Ubisoft besides the 1M players stuff.
Re: Almost All the UK's Boxed Copies of Assassin's Creed Shadows Sold on PS5 Last Week
Who is laughing now? Capcom.
Wilds probably sold at least 3x more than Shadows and will sell more once the updates and the inevitable expansion are out too.
All that while having a damn solid game and no PR nightmare to deal with.
Re: Analyst Firm Predicts Some Pretty Unimpressive Sales Numbers for Xbox Ports on PS5
@themightyant
I'd say its different from Sony releasing a game on PC.
For Sony its just extra money in most cases, those games usually sell well enough on Playstation.
For Xbox on the other hand, those games didn't sell enough units on their original target platform, releasing on other platforms is just a way to avert a major loss of revenue, keyword here being revenue because it will most likely not turn into profit.
Also, this is just me but I think the Xbox brand on some titles might hurt sales more than not having it. CoD and Doom gets a pass because most people don't associate those brands to Xbox or Microsoft, same with Minecraft.
Re: Genshin Impact Community in Flames as English Cast Turn on New Voice Actor
One of my coworkers escaped from a country where the government forces a union upon you and you can't opt out, at least not without spending a lot time filing some lawsuits and even then most judges rule against you because "it might hurt the rights of other workers"
I already had a low opinion on unions, hearing his story and reading all this SAG-AFTRA drama just proves to me that unions hurt workers more than a bad company ever will.
Re: Ubisoft Spins Off Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Rainbow Six into New Subsidiary with Tencent
This probably means Shadows isn't going to reach the sales milestones in time, or at all.
And yes, while this restructuring would happen anyways even if Shadows sold well enough, its the timing and the actors involved in this that say a lot about the situation.
Re: Intergalactic PS5 Is Playable Internally and Incredible, According to Naughty Dog
I mean, of course they're gonna say that, I don't think there is any company in the world that would go "hey its playable internally and it just plain sucks"
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Gets Positive Reviews In Japan as Bayonetta Director Speaks Out
No professional outlet that praises itself as being professional will bash the game for one minor nitpick, they will analyse it properly and weight the pros and cons.
I don't see why this needs to be news, you don't need to defend a good game but people seem rather eager to defend Shadows.
Re: Everyone's Wondering Whether Sony Will Block PS5 Games on Xbox's Rumoured PC Hardware
I mean, Sony could also release Linux compatible versions of their games which would hurt MS more than simply blocking access.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Devs Thank Fans for Its 'Incredibly Heartwarming' Reception
@ATaco
Of course they won't, even on the possibility this wasn't a miss it doesn't solve the problem Ubisoft is facing.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Broke PS Store Sales Records for Ubisoft
Even on the possibility this game hasn't flopped, which is quite possible since we also don't know how many units it needs to sell, it ain't the silver bullet to solve Ubisoft underlying problems.
@themightyant
People should wait for Q1 report, which will probably come out on May.
Re: Indiana Jones and the Great Circle Officially Out for PS5 on 17th April
Heh, Microsoft is stretching the Great Circle reach...
Sorry, couldn't help but to make that joke.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Seemingly Claims Second Biggest Launch in Series History
Yeah, heard this one before with other titles from Ubisoft, even Outlaws "sold well" if we take any news from that time period.
I'll just wait for Q1 sales report.
Re: Tekken 8 Set to Make Baffling System Change in Season 2, Fans Lose Their Minds
Sounds like the reaction was loud for the sake of being loud.
Re: Bloodborne Fans Wait with Bated Breath as Iconic PS4 Exclusive Turns 10 Today
I wouldn't expect anything big without a State of Play/Playstation Showcase anyways.
Re: Rumour: New God of War PS5 Game Returns to Greece This Year
Or, ya know, you coulda have ported the greek games to PS4/PS5, released them on Plus too.
Re: God of War Fans Gutted with Free 20th Anniversary Goodies
Wild rumors aside, it would've been nice to see a port of all the other God of War games releasing on PS Plus. Not a remaster, a simple port.
Its the small things you do to respect your consumer that really fends off a PR backlash.
Re: Bloober Team Announces New Horror Label, I Hate This Place Its First Game
ngl, I read the title so fast it gave me a chuckle because it sounded more like a complaint.
Re: Dev Irate About 'Illegal' Use of Its Property As AI Rip Off of Xbox Game Appears on PS Store
@Glorioso
In general or just for this kind of scam? In general it is a pretty lenghty process, for this kind of scam it is quite easy:
Re: Dev Irate About 'Illegal' Use of Its Property As AI Rip Off of Xbox Game Appears on PS Store
I was about to do a Copilot joke but it seems someone beat me to it. Sadge.
Anyways, title aside, this will happen more and more as PS5 devkits start to appear in the wild. Sony is as strict as they can with this stuff, but once a company goes down it becomes harder to track those devkits.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Romance Misinformation Hits New Low on Social Media
Honestly? This pales in comparison to what they did to a historical figure known for her loyalty to her husband.
As a said before, if it was one thing they screwed up it would be fine, but this has been a PR nightmare from the start and now it will only escalate further since japanese government will be involved.
Re: Single Player Games Aren't Dead, 'They Just Have to Be Good', Says Larian Studios CEO
No such thing as a dead genre, you just need good games.
I mean, except light gun games, band games and dance games, those genres are dead since you also need special hardware for those.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows (PS5) - Striking Open World RPG Is a Real Cut Above
@PsBoxSwitchOwner @Darude84
Dunno where you guys live, but Newegg is already selling it with $10 off discount if you use a code.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows (PS5) - Striking Open World RPG Is a Real Cut Above
@Cornpop76
We'll know that once user reviews are out.
Re: Saints Row Team Thrown Under the Bus: 'They Didn't Know What They Were Building'
SR 1 and 2 were good GTA clones with their own spin
SR 3 and 4 were good parodies of the genre and fun games to play.
Reboot tho? Game was just plain boring.
Re: Yooka-Replaylee Narrows Release Window, Still Wide on PS5
Oh, they haven't done away with the energy system.
Guess I won't be getting this one.
Re: Ubisoft Will Reportedly Fight for Assassin's Creed Shadows, Anti-Harassment Plan in Place
Just remember that Ubisoft isn't in a good financial spot right now, and they NEED this game to be a success despite the PR blunder this whole gig has been.
But I'm sure they'll use lawyer to protect their employees and not to shutdown any negative review, right? Right?
Also, funny how companies that make good games, or at least games with the bare minimum their fans expect, face little to no aggresive backlash from fans. Maybe, just maybe, try doing that next time?
Re: Next Metro PS5 Game Reworked to Tell Darker Story as Series Turns 15
@arsmolinarc
I've waiting to play AH for a while, hope PS Plus gets it in the upcoming months.