Not a fan of Horizon, GoW or Grab Turismo, and never finished Spider-Man, just got bored with it. The Square Enix game looks interesting gameplay wise, but the character art/animation was lacking.
@thefourfoldroot Hmm, maybe just wishful thinking or I just took a quote from somewhere and read too much into it. It would be good for everyone if that was the case though.
@thefourfoldroot Didn't Sony say all future games will have VR baked in, in preparation for PSVR2? If that's the case then they might be heavily involved.
@get2sammyb You kinda need things like that, their loss is offset by profits from triple A games and then the best parts get integrated by the next generation of triple A games. I suppose a sideways analogy in music would be bands or individuals who make groundbreaking music that push boundaries and don't sell well, but are kept on because they then help create the next generation of artists who take the ideas and make them more sellable.
@jokkp I've no interest in the games, there's no sense in clogging up the library with them. Plus it's a message, Sony will have stats on people like myself who have not only refused to download or add them, but have also turned off the auto renew. I don't play online, have zero need of the cloud saves or plus related discounts and only subscribe for the games. The games are not free, and if they're not up to a good enough standard then a message needs to be sent.
I still haven't played my 360 copy I picked up a while back, but was thinking about playing it as I really enjoyed Control, should I wait it out or just play it now?
@Milktastrophe
I don't necessarily disagree with you, at least the first part. But they worked faster in the old days because they'd bring the ideas in front of Sakaguchi and he was a powerful enough voice (for better or worse) to make a definitive decision and then they'd move on.
That's what has been their problem for years, and is documented.
Tetsuya Nomura was useful in pushing FFVII to another level, but since then he has become the antithesis of Sakaguchi, making fleeting decisions and reversing them based on popular culture, similar to heads of western studios ( FFXIII becoming a musical after watching Les Miserables for example)
Edit - I get your point about the transition to voice acting in FFX, though, it's understandable they might have lost a lot of story driven dialogue during that.
@Milktastrophe Hmm...I disagree, FFX was impressive but it sacrificed freedom which was a large part of the appeal of the earlier games, but X-2 was awful, an example of Square changing to please journalists and demographics who had badly reviewed/played FFX who didn't even like the genre. In terms of an FF sequel even Revenant Wings was better. VII, VIII, XI and earlier iterations were done with a year or so between them. Unfortunately since then they've been chasing the whole photo realistic high budget format Which isn't necessary a bad thing but they could release more story/character driven mainline entries that aren't quite as high budget, if well done they'd still hold up the franchise and sell well.
I'm all for more people getting to experience Final Fantasy on whatever platform or service they use, but I really miss the days of almost daily announcements and a game every year or two. Ever since Sakaguchi left/was fired they seem to have dragged their feet on decisions that weren't necessarily much better than his bad ones.
@pip_muzz The concept was sold on consoles that were available at the time, if they were aware of new consoles they would have had NDAs to not discuss them. Games are announced on older consoles all the time but get copies for old and new platforms on release. If it was upgraded to Xbox Series X it should have been upgraded for PS5. The Xbox One owners are in the same boat as the PlayStation owners, if they want the best experience their only limited choice is to buy the Xbox Series version.
If a console manufacturer believes in their platform enough it shouldn't matter, they'll still get money. It's a different matter for in-house studios that have been created from the ground up, while I think it's still unfair for the consumer at least they've put the effort and money in from the start.
The same also applies for any Insomniac games, or any other previously independent studios as I loath the idea of any console manufacturer buying developers up and keeping them for themselves.
@pip_muzz
I can't speak for everyone else, but I would have bought a Series X if it had enough games that interested me, at the moment one game does not justify that.
It IS a hobby and not everyone has the money to buy every console, even if there wasn't a global shortage.
Some people who are console biased for whatever reason are calling this a 1st party game, it's not, it was conceived and initially financed by gamers who represent both console options and PC.
Doublefine was scooped up while it was late in development.
It's unfair that an equal experience isn't being offered to all interested gamers and also that it's being tied to digital only to try and sell gamepass.
People complaining is how companies know how share prices will react, if enough feel strongly about something then they can choose to amend their original plans, and sometimes that benefits everyone.
Double Fine games have been the only games I've bought digitally, to support them to hopefully get a Psychonauts sequel. That said I do find it a kick in the teeth after that to not get the best version released for both Xbox and Playstation.
If you want to talk about settling for an inferior version, I would have been happy to have the game without the Microsoft funded extra bosses etc. As long as everyone was able to enjoy it equally. But they sold out, and you can bet a third full game won't be available on PlayStation in the future. With that in mind I sure as hell won't pay £50 for a digital copy.
@get2sammyb I agree, it would be good to go in, fix up old deteriorated roads and ziplines etc. and try out the new toys. But I wouldn't want to fork out for it unless it was a whole new game. Does appear to have deviated from its original idea of encouraging the player to avoid fighting though.
Good thing I've cancelled my PS+ then. I was mildly interested in this and Scorn out of all of Xbox's previously announced games and I'm really rather annoyed they get the best version of Psychonauts 2, but that's definitely not enough to justify me buying an X Box Series X, pity, wish they either had more to offer or let Double Fine release a physical PS5 copy of Psychonauts 2.
Honestly, I don't care how well these end up, they've been wringing GTAV to death, and with certain people leaving and suddenly re-doing these it makes me think they're trying to get as much money as they can before they unleash a GTAVI that they already know will fall on its arse because of the current climate.
Well if it's not a scam, then it's different from the previous trailer as it is actually happening on the viewer's PS5, theoretically they could have any code in there to mess with it later and not play the same way. It's got to have some weird twist like that or what would be the point of having a real-time app over a standard trailer.
@wiiware
You can still get it for that £40, that extra money doesn't get added into making the game.
Publishers will allow the same budget either way, they still make huge profit at either price.
You're just petitioning to give them extra money for nothing, and it's not like the developers get rewarded and see a bonus if the game price is increased, it just goes to shareholders. 😆
@theheadofabroom In the mid 90's the publishers tried to charge up to £80 for some games, and people stopped buying them new and they had to reduce prices, it was still the same AAA titles.
Price does not dictate the quality of the game, publishers have historically tried every now and then to try and push the boundaries to see if customers are stupid enough to fall for it. They need to be slapped down each time, they still make plenty of profit on £40 games so don't help to pedal that misinformation.
Really hope this doesn't cause problems for Lego Star Wars or end up with Microsoft or Sony blocking Lego games from appearing on other consoles, I really dislike the chomping up of games developers that seems to be the current fad.
There was a stream earlier with Morse code. Go to the Blue Box YouTube channel (Abandonedthegame), the video 'Till Death Do Us Part' looks totally like it's the PT corridor, and the logo is slowly starting to change, like it might become the PlayStation studios logo.
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Re: Talking Point: Did PlayStation Showcase 2021 Deliver on the Hype?
Not a fan of Horizon, GoW or Grab Turismo, and never finished Spider-Man, just got bored with it. The Square Enix game looks interesting gameplay wise, but the character art/animation was lacking.
Re: New Sony Team Firesprite Is Bigger Than Media Molecule, London Studio Combined
New Wipeout hopefully.
Re: Firesprite Will Produce PlayStation Exclusive Games Outside Sony's 'Core Offerings'
@thefourfoldroot
Hmm, maybe just wishful thinking or I just took a quote from somewhere and read too much into it.
It would be good for everyone if that was the case though.
Re: Firesprite Will Produce PlayStation Exclusive Games Outside Sony's 'Core Offerings'
@thefourfoldroot
Didn't Sony say all future games will have VR baked in, in preparation for PSVR2?
If that's the case then they might be heavily involved.
Re: Firesprite Will Produce PlayStation Exclusive Games Outside Sony's 'Core Offerings'
@get2sammyb
You kinda need things like that, their loss is offset by profits from triple A games and then the best parts get integrated by the next generation of triple A games.
I suppose a sideways analogy in music would be bands or individuals who make groundbreaking music that push boundaries and don't sell well, but are kept on because they then help create the next generation of artists who take the ideas and make them more sellable.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With Your PS Plus Games for September 2021?
@jokkp
I've no interest in the games, there's no sense in clogging up the library with them.
Plus it's a message, Sony will have stats on people like myself who have not only refused to download or add them, but have also turned off the auto renew.
I don't play online, have zero need of the cloud saves or plus related discounts and only subscribe for the games.
The games are not free, and if they're not up to a good enough standard then a message needs to be sent.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With Your PS Plus Games for September 2021?
Won't be adding any to the library for the second month in a row.
Re: Alan Wake Remastered Listed for PS5, PS4 Release on 5th October
I still haven't played my 360 copy I picked up a while back, but was thinking about playing it as I really enjoyed Control, should I wait it out or just play it now?
Re: All Free PS Plus Games in 2021
@Flaming_Kaiser
What about the people who only started a month or two back, not great for them.
Re: PS Now Adding Five Final Fantasy Games Over Coming Months
@Milktastrophe
I don't necessarily disagree with you, at least the first part. But they worked faster in the old days because they'd bring the ideas in front of Sakaguchi and he was a powerful enough voice (for better or worse) to make a definitive decision and then they'd move on.
That's what has been their problem for years, and is documented.
Tetsuya Nomura was useful in pushing FFVII to another level, but since then he has become the antithesis of Sakaguchi, making fleeting decisions and reversing them based on popular culture, similar to heads of western studios ( FFXIII becoming a musical after watching Les Miserables for example)
Edit - I get your point about the transition to voice acting in FFX, though, it's understandable they might have lost a lot of story driven dialogue during that.
Re: Feature: Five Years Later, We Remember The Tomorrow Children with Director Dylan Cuthbert
That was a lovely looking game, lighting was sublime, no idea what was going on though.
Re: PS Now Adding Five Final Fantasy Games Over Coming Months
@Milktastrophe
Hmm...I disagree, FFX was impressive but it sacrificed freedom which was a large part of the appeal of the earlier games, but X-2 was awful, an example of Square changing to please journalists and demographics who had badly reviewed/played FFX who didn't even like the genre.
In terms of an FF sequel even Revenant Wings was better.
VII, VIII, XI and earlier iterations were done with a year or so between them. Unfortunately since then they've been chasing the whole photo realistic high budget format
Which isn't necessary a bad thing but they could release more story/character driven mainline entries that aren't quite as high budget, if well done they'd still hold up the franchise and sell well.
Re: Sony Will Make You Pay Extra to Upgrade Horizon Forbidden West from PS4 to PS5
Wow! Some serious posts here, all I'll say is I'm glad my 2 year embargo on almost all new games seems sound.
Re: PS Now Adding Five Final Fantasy Games Over Coming Months
I'm all for more people getting to experience Final Fantasy on whatever platform or service they use, but I really miss the days of almost daily announcements and a game every year or two. Ever since Sakaguchi left/was fired they seem to have dragged their feet on decisions that weren't necessarily much better than his bad ones.
Re: Negotiations for Death Standing Sequel Underway, Reveals Star Reedus
"Death Standing"?
Re: Upcoming PS5, PS4 Games for September and October 2021
Out of that list, very few, and certainly not at those prices
Re: New GTA Character Casually Outed by Voice Actor
Someone's not getting hired again 😁
Re: Soapbox: Don't Let Psychonauts 2 Pass You By
@pip_muzz
The concept was sold on consoles that were available at the time, if they were aware of new consoles they would have had NDAs to not discuss them. Games are announced on older consoles all the time but get copies for old and new platforms on release.
If it was upgraded to Xbox Series X it should have been upgraded for PS5. The Xbox One owners are in the same boat as the PlayStation owners, if they want the best experience their only limited choice is to buy the Xbox Series version.
If a console manufacturer believes in their platform enough it shouldn't matter, they'll still get money.
It's a different matter for in-house studios that have been created from the ground up, while I think it's still unfair for the consumer at least they've put the effort and money in from the start.
The same also applies for any Insomniac games, or any other previously independent studios as I loath the idea of any console manufacturer buying developers up and keeping them for themselves.
Re: Soapbox: Don't Let Psychonauts 2 Pass You By
@pip_muzz
I can't speak for everyone else, but I would have bought a Series X if it had enough games that interested me, at the moment one game does not justify that.
It IS a hobby and not everyone has the money to buy every console, even if there wasn't a global shortage.
Some people who are console biased for whatever reason are calling this a 1st party game, it's not, it was conceived and initially financed by gamers who represent both console options and PC.
Doublefine was scooped up while it was late in development.
It's unfair that an equal experience isn't being offered to all interested gamers and also that it's being tied to digital only to try and sell gamepass.
People complaining is how companies know how share prices will react, if enough feel strongly about something then they can choose to amend their original plans, and sometimes that benefits everyone.
Re: Soapbox: Don't Let Psychonauts 2 Pass You By
Double Fine games have been the only games I've bought digitally, to support them to hopefully get a Psychonauts sequel. That said I do find it a kick in the teeth after that to not get the best version released for both Xbox and Playstation.
If you want to talk about settling for an inferior version, I would have been happy to have the game without the Microsoft funded extra bosses etc. As long as everyone was able to enjoy it equally.
But they sold out, and you can bet a third full game won't be available on PlayStation in the future.
With that in mind I sure as hell won't pay £50 for a digital copy.
Re: Rumour: PS Plus September 2021 PS5, PS4 Games Leaked Ahead of Official Reveal
If that's true it'll be another month I'll not even add them to my library.
Re: Death Stranding Details What Its PS5 Director's Cut Offers
@fR_eeBritney
I almost tried it a few times myself, managed to hold off instant diabetes though 😆
Re: Death Stranding Details What Its PS5 Director's Cut Offers
@get2sammyb
I agree, it would be good to go in, fix up old deteriorated roads and ziplines etc. and try out the new toys. But I wouldn't want to fork out for it unless it was a whole new game. Does appear to have deviated from its original idea of encouraging the player to avoid fighting though.
Re: Bloober Team Dismisses The Medium PS Plus Rumours
@PlayNation5
I don't have broadband, just limited data on my phone, so streaming wouldn't be an option for me.
Re: Bloober Team Dismisses The Medium PS Plus Rumours
Good thing I've cancelled my PS+ then. I was mildly interested in this and
Scorn out of all of Xbox's previously announced games and I'm really rather annoyed they get the best version of Psychonauts 2, but that's definitely not enough to justify me buying an X Box Series X, pity, wish they either had more to offer or let Double Fine release a physical PS5 copy of Psychonauts 2.
Re: Talking Point: What September 2021 PS Plus Games Do You Want for PS5, PS4?
Psychonauts 2 🤣
Re: Hands On: Lock-On Magazine Is a Love-Letter to the World of PlayStation
Still subscribed to Play, as long as they have exclusive interviews and in depth articles it's not changing any time soon.
Re: Soapbox: GTA: San Andreas Is Still an Open World Classic
Honestly, I don't care how well these end up, they've been wringing GTAV to death, and with certain people leaving and suddenly re-doing these it makes me think they're trying to get as much money as they can before they unleash a GTAVI that they already know will fall on its arse because of the current climate.
Re: Abandoned App Patch Drops, Trailer Is the Same as Twitter Tease
Well if it's not a scam, then it's different from the previous trailer as it is actually happening on the viewer's PS5, theoretically they could have any code in there to mess with it later and not play the same way. It's got to have some weird twist like that or what would be the point of having a real-time app over a standard trailer.
Re: Rumour: GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas Being Remastered for PS5, PS4 with 'New and Old Graphics'
@Bamila
No disrespect, but that response is part of the problem.
Re: Rumour: GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas Being Remastered for PS5, PS4 with 'New and Old Graphics'
Oh God no! Clunky gameplay with shinier graphics!? Yuck! No thanks!
Re: Rumour: Sony Planning More Expensive PS Plus Option That Could Include Crunchyroll
Considering the last 2 months games offerings, they should include it at no extra cost.
Re: PS Plus Games for August 2021 Available to Download on PS5, PS4 Now
Don't think I'll bother.
Re: Upcoming PS5 Firmware Will Display Trophy Lists Vertically
That's good I'm sick of having to go online to compare trophies to a friend just to get a better view of trophy progression.
Re: PS Plus August 2021 PS5, PS4 Games Announced
Woeful selection.
Re: Astro's Playroom PS5 Dev Team Asobi Staffing Up for its Next Game
@wiiware
You can still get it for that £40, that extra money doesn't get added into making the game.
Publishers will allow the same budget either way, they still make huge profit at either price.
You're just petitioning to give them extra money for nothing, and it's not like the developers get rewarded and see a bonus if the game price is increased, it just goes to shareholders. 😆
Re: Astro's Playroom PS5 Dev Team Asobi Staffing Up for its Next Game
@theheadofabroom
In the mid 90's the publishers tried to charge up to £80 for some games, and people stopped buying them new and they had to reduce prices, it was still the same AAA titles.
Price does not dictate the quality of the game, publishers have historically tried every now and then to try and push the boundaries to see if customers are stupid enough to fall for it. They need to be slapped down each time, they still make plenty of profit on £40 games so don't help to pedal that misinformation.
Re: Astro's Playroom PS5 Dev Team Asobi Staffing Up for its Next Game
@theheadofabroom
Total nonsense, stop enabling greed by normalising overpriced games.
Re: Astro's Playroom PS5 Dev Team Asobi Staffing Up for its Next Game
@wiiware
I hope it's a full £40 or less game...talk about turkeys voting for Christmas 🙄
Re: PS Plus August 2021 PS5, PS4 Games Leaked by Sony
Two online games, one that should probably be free to play and a bloody tennis game. Terrible month.
Re: Gothic PS5, PS4 Adventure Lost in Random Rolls 10th September Release Date
Is it getting a physical release?
Re: JRPG Sequel The Caligula Effect 2 Gets Weird on PS4 This October
What is the thing with Japanese games and words beginning with Re!?
Re: Final Fantasy 16 Won't Be at TGS 2021, But English Voice Recording Is Almost Complete
Fingers crossed for a Christmas release
Re: Warner Bros Allegedly Looking to Offload NetherRealm, TT Games
Really hope this doesn't cause problems for Lego Star Wars or end up with Microsoft or Sony blocking Lego games from appearing on other consoles, I really dislike the chomping up of games developers that seems to be the current fad.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut Bundles in New Island Expansion, Coming to PS5 and PS4
Good thing I didn't buy it when it came out, might still wait until it's on sale though.
Re: Mini Review: Legend of Mana (PS4) - Lovely Looking Remaster Is Still Strange, and Not Always in a Good Way
@Areus
Yeah, that was the vibe I've been starting to get from reading the comments, sounds good if that's the case.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart?
Haven't played it and won't do until it's £40 or so.
Re: Abandoned Trailer App Delayed Yet Again, This Time to August
@LiamCroft
Well if it's not they're doing a good job, must've put a lot of work in, worth checking it out at least 😁
Re: Abandoned Trailer App Delayed Yet Again, This Time to August
The channel's now called Adandonedthegame
Re: Abandoned Trailer App Delayed Yet Again, This Time to August
There was a stream earlier with Morse code. Go to the Blue Box YouTube channel (Abandonedthegame), the video 'Till Death Do Us Part' looks totally like it's the PT corridor, and the logo is slowly starting to change, like it might become the PlayStation studios logo.