I was talking to my brother about this and animation is probably the most hit or miss industry in movies and TV. Sony would've probably needed theatrical to make 250 million to be successful. A new IP making that much post pandemic? It would've been difficult.
Most of K-pops success is because it came on Netflix first where it was free for subscribers and had no real marketing.
@DennisReynolds I remember the incredibly positive reception the betas for Monster Hunter got. A live service can only be judged two-three months after release.
Halo Infinite suffered despite incredible launch reception (10 million players or something).
Is it a free beta. Than we can ignore it. Gamers love free *****. Let's look at the numbers 3-4 months after launch before we call a live service a success
Let's see if EA fires people before we call it a success. Remember DAV having the highest concurrents at launch for a Dragon Age game.
I feel having his own studio means he's much faster in making his plans with Konami it wasn't his IP so he could faff around and delay games but with his own IP he has to be focused which is a good thing.
Thank god Sony focuses on people who aren't on forums for their main games. This looks great and I'm all for a sequel that expands the combat and exploration rather than re-inventing the wheel (remember it's only been in deevelopment for 3-4 years considering how much they supported Tsushima)
@Bagwag82 @themightyant the problem is Jez Corden is the one who posited both reasons 1. MICROSOFT has given the XBOX division unrealistic goals (which after 80 billion in growth investment seems fair on MS) 2. Is to divert to AI Capex and growth
Both can be true and both still paint a picture of Xbox not growing the way a company that has invested 80+ billion not including employee overheads should grow.
@Foxx_64740 revenue ain't profit. They wouldnt have fired around 2000 gaming employees if they were profitable or MS considered 5 bill in revenue good.
@get2sammyb Iirc wasn't there a linkedin from some Sony Exec that said TLOU2 sales jumped up by 2 millions units because of season 2? It's clear that this stuff makes a huge difference. For DMC, I remember Capcom putting the games on massive sales for Netflix show period.
It's smart business and DMC on Netflix was a decent show despite Adi Shankar being an idiot and the show being kinda forgettable. I wonder If Konami saw similar boosts with Castlevania?
I know LoL didn't get that big a boost from Arcane. Reputation too toxic
It's low because they've been extremely aggressive with discounts and is on PC, Playstation and Xbox. I mean 25% off one month later isn't a sign of confidence especially for a game that had Clair Obscur reviews. Personally thought it was more Atlus slop, same rubbish story with cowardly politics that doesn't fully commit while going just far enough to tease a more interesting plot (most Japanese games fall into this except Taro and Kojima), repetitive combat, excellent music, ass performance while looking dull and muted.
@Questionable_Duck EA wanted 3 mil for Veilguard and that was multiplatform so for a Japanese dev (much lower salaries), a less troublesome development and on a single console with 40 mil owners at the time 3.5 million looks incredible and makes me question how bad their overheads are.
More scary for me is RGG and Atlus clearly have stalled growth. They should be doing a lot better based off the competition and that too with a mega ultra multiplatform strategy that includes last gen as well. As I said in a comment before they're risking UBI-fication with the annual releases.
Also, Astro Bot doing 1.5 mil in 9 weeks is massive by comparison.
Edit: maybe the Gamepass effect for P3R and Yakuza games?
Sega generally has been mid for a while for me. I loved the Judgement titles but the new Yakuza games have lost me big time and it seems their unit sales have also stalled based on the leak, I mean Astrobot on PS5 alone outsold IW at this point and IW is the highest rated Yakuza game ever. Also, they've made a mess of Y0 on Switch by retconning deaths.
Persona has literally become the same game and is underwhelming as they all are now being shaped of P5.
Sonic is pretty cool right now with all the new stuff they're trying though for 70usd I don't think the new racer will do too good.
Metaphor recently crossed 2mil units in sales but it's already getting 40-50% discounts almost always which makes me feel it's under-performed by a bit (especially when clair obscur has similar reviews and basically cribbed their whole style has outperformed them in a month). The story was rubbish though and the game ran like ass despite looking like ass.
All this is to say: they are rushing games and need to focus on quality much more. They've been lucky so far that they haven't had the fanbase go Ubisoft repetition on their games.
@Dimey Generally trying to remove myself from game sites and game reddits slowly because I feel the atmosphere of games discussion is poor and all these rumors and leaks and outrage is just a real downer.
Playing games you like/love on the other hand is still a blast! Cannot wait for Death Stranding 2 end of the month and Donkey Kong Bananza next month!
@kcarnes9051 yup it pushes and widens the gap between Ellie and the player. You slowly start to disagree and later become a involuntary participant as the game keeps widening the gap. Reminding you that you the player are a seperate entity from the character you control who's motivations are different.
@themightyant again for most people a good game is a good game and they'll buy and play it otherwise they have their favorite live service, they'll play that.
The thing is most people own only one console and a Switch as a secondary. So most people arent really looking at what does Playstation have that Xbox doesn't as much as 'where are most of my friends playing' or 'which platform has my library'
Heck the people on this site and most enthusiast sites will keep crying but even the Deluxe editions of Borderlands 4 are doing well on Playstation pre-orders. Look at all the crying about the Switch 2 and it's the most successful console launch ever.
@PuppetMaster From what I understand these seem to be relatively low effort ports/remasters and Freedom Wars was already a mixed reception game, I don't know what they thought would happen re-releasing it so close to the new Monster Hunter.
@RawnDawn I get it. For me they're like Soulslikes and turnbased JRPGs, I'll only play the extremely well regarded ones and that too I only limit myself to one a year because I'm usually bored of them by the end.
Also of note, With Carson being on good terms SSM and SIE, I wonder if they got him onboard but couldn't work due to the VA Strikes.
@HonestHick That's fair I like playing it at home too and it does feel a lot more premium than the Switch 1. Just took it to the office one day to sneak in some Mario Odyssey at lunch and was shocked by how heavy my bag became. I'm waiting for Donkey Kong Bananza and MP4 though. Feel like Bananza will surprise people despite looking a bit iffy in screenshots and trailers so far.
@HonestHick Do you take your Switch 2 outdoors (work commute etc) because I find it really heavy and bulky for outdoor activities. I do like the device but I don't know if I can call it portable. Maybe home portable. It's obviously nowhere near as bad as the PC handhelds though. Monstrosities.
@Oram77 as a 40 year old franchise that isn't as much as you'd think it is. Especially with the number of games released. I do wonder how they improve sales though and reduce budgets
FFXVI and Rebirth were not good games. Xvi had promise but a bad map, simplistic combat and terrible story killed it. 3 million was far more than it deserved on PS5.
@Oram77 controversial opinion but FF isn't massive anymore . The MTG cards selling out is more about MTG being extremely popular among the old audience.
FF has long failed to connect to younger audiences unlike God of War which found new audiences with the PS4 games or Zelda with BOTW.
@betasector Even Game of Thrones delayed season finales in the past to avoid memorial day. It is a major weekend holiday in the US. With streaming though it isn't a big loss anymore as people can watch it later. The truth is we'll only know how the show has done when the 90 day figures are out.
Memorial Day is massive for movies (look at Lilo and Stitch) but awful for tv. Either way I think structurally the adaptation had issues. A 7/10 adaptation of a 10/10 all timer video game
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Re: Sony Made a Massive Mistake with Movie Sensation K-Pop Demon Hunters
I was talking to my brother about this and animation is probably the most hit or miss industry in movies and TV. Sony would've probably needed theatrical to make 250 million to be successful. A new IP making that much post pandemic? It would've been difficult.
Most of K-pops success is because it came on Netflix first where it was free for subscribers and had no real marketing.
Re: Ambitious Open World RPG Crimson Desert Delayed to 2026
Calling it now. Game is gonna run like ass.
Re: Massive Atlus Survey Mentions Metaphor Sequel, Yet More Persona Spin-Offs
I would say less Yakuza, less persona, less JRPGs in general. Sega are practically Japans Ubisoft at this point with yearly releases
Re: Battlefield 6's Open Beta Has Completely Blown Up
@DennisReynolds I remember the incredibly positive reception the betas for Monster Hunter got. A live service can only be judged two-three months after release.
Halo Infinite suffered despite incredible launch reception (10 million players or something).
Re: Battlefield 6's Open Beta Has Completely Blown Up
Is it a free beta. Than we can ignore it. Gamers love free *****. Let's look at the numbers 3-4 months after launch before we call a live service a success
Let's see if EA fires people before we call it a success. Remember DAV having the highest concurrents at launch for a Dragon Age game.
Seriously games media is in the 🚽
Re: Hideo Kojima Alone Is Currently Working on PlayStation Exclusive Physint
I feel having his own studio means he's much faster in making his plans with Konami it wasn't his IP so he could faff around and delay games but with his own IP he has to be focused which is a good thing.
Re: New Ghost of Yotei PS5 Gameplay Footage Highlights Kusarigama Weapon in Gory Combat
Thank god Sony focuses on people who aren't on forums for their main games. This looks great and I'm all for a sequel that expands the combat and exploration rather than re-inventing the wheel (remember it's only been in deevelopment for 3-4 years considering how much they supported Tsushima)
Re: Sony's Stunning Fighter Marvel Tokon Grabs Closed Beta Exclusively on PS5, Sign Up Now
@Legacy2K no need it means you're already a part of the beta. Tokon Twitter just updated
Re: Microsoft Reiterates It's the Top Publisher on PS5 in Earnings Call
@Bagwag82 @themightyant the problem is Jez Corden is the one who posited both reasons
1. MICROSOFT has given the XBOX division unrealistic goals (which after 80 billion in growth investment seems fair on MS)
2. Is to divert to AI Capex and growth
Both can be true and both still paint a picture of Xbox not growing the way a company that has invested 80+ billion not including employee overheads should grow.
Re: Microsoft Reiterates It's the Top Publisher on PS5 in Earnings Call
@Foxx_64740 revenue ain't profit. They wouldnt have fired around 2000 gaming employees if they were profitable or MS considered 5 bill in revenue good.
Re: Devil May Cry 5 Sales Spike After TV Show, Even DMC 4 Outsells Monster Hunter Wilds in Q1
@get2sammyb Iirc wasn't there a linkedin from some Sony Exec that said TLOU2 sales jumped up by 2 millions units because of season 2? It's clear that this stuff makes a huge difference. For DMC, I remember Capcom putting the games on massive sales for Netflix show period.
It's smart business and DMC on Netflix was a decent show despite Adi Shankar being an idiot and the show being kinda forgettable. I wonder If Konami saw similar boosts with Castlevania?
I know LoL didn't get that big a boost from Arcane. Reputation too toxic
Re: You Can Now Launch First-Party PlayStation Games Through the Xbox PC App
I still question where the money is for Microsoft in this.
Re: Nintendo Kinda Had a Hand in the Development of PS5 Exclusive Death Stranding 2
@Nepp67 i actually hate the placement more than the line itself. in the middle of some of the biggest emotional and lore bits they throw that rubbish
Re: Atlus JRPG Metaphor: ReFantazio Tags on 1 Million Sales Since Launch
It's low because they've been extremely aggressive with discounts and is on PC, Playstation and Xbox. I mean 25% off one month later isn't a sign of confidence especially for a game that had Clair Obscur reviews. Personally thought it was more Atlus slop, same rubbish story with cowardly politics that doesn't fully commit while going just far enough to tease a more interesting plot (most Japanese games fall into this except Taro and Kojima), repetitive combat, excellent music, ass performance while looking dull and muted.
Re: SEGA's Accidentally Outed Sales Numbers Put a Lot into Context
@somnambulance it also makes the Sony tent pole numbers genuinely insane.
Re: SEGA's Accidentally Outed Sales Numbers Put a Lot into Context
@Questionable_Duck EA wanted 3 mil for Veilguard and that was multiplatform so for a Japanese dev (much lower salaries), a less troublesome development and on a single console with 40 mil owners at the time 3.5 million looks incredible and makes me question how bad their overheads are.
Re: SEGA's Accidentally Outed Sales Numbers Put a Lot into Context
More scary for me is RGG and Atlus clearly have stalled growth. They should be doing a lot better based off the competition and that too with a mega ultra multiplatform strategy that includes last gen as well. As I said in a comment before they're risking UBI-fication with the annual releases.
Also, Astro Bot doing 1.5 mil in 9 weeks is massive by comparison.
Edit: maybe the Gamepass effect for P3R and Yakuza games?
Re: You Really Will Be Waiting a While to Play Persona 4 Revival
Sega generally has been mid for a while for me. I loved the Judgement titles but the new Yakuza games have lost me big time and it seems their unit sales have also stalled based on the leak, I mean Astrobot on PS5 alone outsold IW at this point and IW is the highest rated Yakuza game ever. Also, they've made a mess of Y0 on Switch by retconning deaths.
Persona has literally become the same game and is underwhelming as they all are now being shaped of P5.
Sonic is pretty cool right now with all the new stuff they're trying though for 70usd I don't think the new racer will do too good.
Metaphor recently crossed 2mil units in sales but it's already getting 40-50% discounts almost always which makes me feel it's under-performed by a bit (especially when clair obscur has similar reviews and basically cribbed their whole style has outperformed them in a month). The story was rubbish though and the game ran like ass despite looking like ass.
All this is to say: they are rushing games and need to focus on quality much more. They've been lucky so far that they haven't had the fanbase go Ubisoft repetition on their games.
Re: Red Dead Redemption 2 PS5 Version Tease Turns Out to Be a Cast Reunion
@Dimey Generally trying to remove myself from game sites and game reddits slowly because I feel the atmosphere of games discussion is poor and all these rumors and leaks and outrage is just a real downer.
Playing games you like/love on the other hand is still a blast! Cannot wait for Death Stranding 2 end of the month and Donkey Kong Bananza next month!
Re: Poll: How Do You Feel About The Last of Us Part 2, 5 Years Later?
@kcarnes9051 yup it pushes and widens the gap between Ellie and the player. You slowly start to disagree and later become a involuntary participant as the game keeps widening the gap. Reminding you that you the player are a seperate entity from the character you control who's motivations are different.
Re: Poll: How Do You Feel About The Last of Us Part 2, 5 Years Later?
@Ultimapunch pushsquare.com faking the results /s
The comments section here are the biggest negative Nancy's on the site and don't represent the majority 70% of the time on polls.
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@Titntin shareholders don't care much either they're upset but they're still pleased with profit, revenue and hardware growth.
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@themightyant again for most people a good game is a good game and they'll buy and play it otherwise they have their favorite live service, they'll play that.
The thing is most people own only one console and a Switch as a secondary. So most people arent really looking at what does Playstation have that Xbox doesn't as much as 'where are most of my friends playing' or 'which platform has my library'
Heck the people on this site and most enthusiast sites will keep crying but even the Deluxe editions of Borderlands 4 are doing well on Playstation pre-orders. Look at all the crying about the Switch 2 and it's the most successful console launch ever.
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Features Some Kind of 'Foraging' System, Sucker Punch Confirms
@Deadlyblack Good after how badly they handled Delsin being an Indigenous American it's good they took the criticism in the right way.
Re: Patapon Remains an All-Time PlayStation Classic in Licensed PS5 Port
@PuppetMaster From what I understand these seem to be relatively low effort ports/remasters and Freedom Wars was already a mixed reception game, I don't know what they thought would happen re-releasing it so close to the new Monster Hunter.
Re: God of War's Rumoured Metroidvania Now Due in 2026 on PS5
@Balaam_ It's why I like it when games aren't leaked now there is increased impatience to show the game. Look at how surprising Tokon's reveal was.
Re: God of War's Rumoured Metroidvania Now Due in 2026 on PS5
@RawnDawn I get it. For me they're like Soulslikes and turnbased JRPGs, I'll only play the extremely well regarded ones and that too I only limit myself to one a year because I'm usually bored of them by the end.
Also of note, With Carson being on good terms SSM and SIE, I wonder if they got him onboard but couldn't work due to the VA Strikes.
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@HonestHick That's fair I like playing it at home too and it does feel a lot more premium than the Switch 1. Just took it to the office one day to sneak in some Mario Odyssey at lunch and was shocked by how heavy my bag became. I'm waiting for Donkey Kong Bananza and MP4 though. Feel like Bananza will surprise people despite looking a bit iffy in screenshots and trailers so far.
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@HonestHick Do you take your Switch 2 outdoors (work commute etc) because I find it really heavy and bulky for outdoor activities. I do like the device but I don't know if I can call it portable. Maybe home portable. It's obviously nowhere near as bad as the PC handhelds though. Monstrosities.
Re: Sony Lifts Region Locks on Its PC Games, Including Helldivers 2, The Last of Us, More
99% of Steams spenders probably weren't affected. The markets affected were miniscule
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
@Oram77 as a 40 year old franchise that isn't as much as you'd think it is. Especially with the number of games released. I do wonder how they improve sales though and reduce budgets
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
FFXVI and Rebirth were not good games. Xvi had promise but a bad map, simplistic combat and terrible story killed it. 3 million was far more than it deserved on PS5.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
@Oram77 controversial opinion but FF isn't massive anymore . The MTG cards selling out is more about MTG being extremely popular among the old audience.
FF has long failed to connect to younger audiences unlike God of War which found new audiences with the PS4 games or Zelda with BOTW.
Re: New PS5 Commercial Wants You to Play the Unmissable
@Rich33 I can't think which single player exclusive game has been poorly received this gen? Almost every year they have a serious contender for GOTY.
I do agree with the PC port rush. They should hold off on that and stick to what they did early on with the 3 or 4 year delay.
Re: HBO's The Last of Us Sees a Dramatic Decline in Season 2 Finale Viewers
@betasector Even Game of Thrones delayed season finales in the past to avoid memorial day. It is a major weekend holiday in the US. With streaming though it isn't a big loss anymore as people can watch it later. The truth is we'll only know how the show has done when the 90 day figures are out.
Memorial Day is massive for movies (look at Lilo and Stitch) but awful for tv. Either way I think structurally the adaptation had issues. A 7/10 adaptation of a 10/10 all timer video game