MrGawain

Just over a month to go, and we’ve seen trailers but not that much in gameplay- especially for Destruction Allstars. I would think you would need a little more to go on before you dropped £70 day one.

“Did this one sell enough to make it’s budget back?”

“Nope.”

“Well now it’s multi platform!”

“The way we’ll make it up to you is by giving you the chance to give us more money.”

Wow, I’ve never felt so loved!

I totally believe it was built for the PS5.

I question how radically different the games on PS5 will be from the PS4 aside from load times, FPS and Picture fidelity if they can get this to run on previous hardware.

I think with any console launch, you don’t really know what you’re getting until it’s connected to your telly- Youtube and trailers can only really tell part of the story.

I’ll be curious to see if the XBS will be ‘Next Gen enough’ for people, seeing it’s somewhere between the current standard and the XBX standard. (Admittedly I’m happy with my Switch’s graphics).

I would have assumed Destruction Allstars was just modern Destruction Derby without the rights for the name?

If this isn’t good then I demand a review with a subheading with the letters AW inserted in it’s title.

I bought a PS4 because the Wii U library was running dry, and I wanted to get Arkham, along with a few of the niche Japanese games and a few indies.

This generation I find Nintendo seems to have those sort of niche Japanese games and indies, and the triple A lineup has left me a bit cold. Overall I enjoyed Arkham, God of War, Spider-Man, The Last Guardian, FF15 and FF7, but I do wonder to myself if it’s worth buying a console for 6 games I like and can’t get elsewhere?

The jury is out and I’ll sit on the fence for some time.

Just been looking at the PlayStation 5 lineup page on their website. There are two different tabs that say ‘PS5 exclusive’ and ‘PlayStation Console exclusive’. Apparently Bugsnax, Oddworld and Stray seem to be straddling the PS4 and PS5.

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/ps5/games/?smcid=pdc%3Aen-gb%3Aprimary%2520nav%3Amsg-games%3Aps5

I'm happy with my decision to stick with the PS4/Switch at the moment. I get the feeling both new consoles are 6 months early until we get next gen worthy games, and probably 18 months before having anything I really want to play. I think Nintendo had a much more sensible release strategy of March when only the die hards needed to order, and neither Sony or Microsoft gave their images any favours with not having true next gen experiences ready at launch.

It's great for kids to get for Christmas, but you're buying promise, not an actual step up yet. The PS4 isn't done yet!

Isn’t it weird the vague promise of stuff in 2-3 years is far more exciting than the stuff you’ll actually be playing in 2-3 months?

Sure there’s a moral in this somewhere....

The problem with any new product is you’re asking a factory of assembly line workers to put them together for the first time, and are probably pushing them too fast as you try to get more product.

I’m of the belief releasing consoles for Christmas with game delays, supply issues and going head to head with competition isn’t the smartest business plan any more.

Oh the irony of the name of this game....

I don’t feel any sympathy towards Sony. If you don’t want a console war, then don’t release a console at the same time as XBox. It’s pretty obvious the XBX is a loss leader to get a customer base for games and subscriptions (with the hope of the subscription model being so successful it subsidises the price), but PlayStation still has a 5 to 1 advantage on 1st party IP over Xbox. Why bother winning the early war when you can pick people up later with stuff people want to play?

I have visions of a grey blast print adorning the wall next to a mounted PS5.

If I was going to buy a next gen console... and that’s a big if.... It would still be a PS5 due to it likely to have games I want to play as opposed to the XBX.

But saying that, I think I’m good with my Switch for quite a while.

I tend to buy Madden and FIFA once per console. I enjoyed the last one (I think it was 16?), but after you figure the timing out, it makes the game very easy, even on the harder levels.

It’s not a bad game, it just suffers from very little change every year like all the sports games...

...And several other every year AAA titles as well.

If you have to change the name after a year of announcing a game, you announced it too early.

A window is a very vague measurement, isn’t it?

Depends on if we’re talking a bay window or one of those little one’s in the downstairs loo that only opens half an inch.

Sony vs Microsoft No blinking competition over price.

In the meantime I’m convinced there isn’t a good reason to order a machine that could be any price, have no games I want to play that are likely to be rushed anyway, and could still be delayed. The PS5‘S and XBX’s biggest competition for Christmas is the current generation of gaming that comes with so much certainty.

To be honest this is a fancy trailer that could be about anything if you didn’t have the PlayStation logo on it. The fact there is no direct references to games makes me feel like we may see a few more game delays before the thing is released.

Basically what Warner valued their games division for themselves isn’t worth what other companies want to pay.

The IP is appealing, but having to pay a fee to hire thousands of workers isn’t.

Best not to scratch a Dark Souls itch, there are creams for that.

I’m betting it’ll be a “game X coming to PS4, and you’ll be able to carry your disc/digital purchase over to the PS5” thing.

I wonder if triple A 3rd party exclusives can exist any more in 2020 with rising development costs? At least not timed ones. Atlas seemed tempted to put Persona 5 elsewhere and Capcom have been pretty cagey with their comments about SF5 exclusiveness after a limited success. Even 1st party games have had to to find different platforms to make back production costs.

Arkham is pretty much the only non Japanese developed 3rd Party AAA game that I’ve really enjoyed. Arkham Knight was the reason I bought a PS4.

The thought of EA calling the shots over Batman is a strong mark against getting a PS5.

At this moment there have been no games announced that I want. Although I did enjoy a few games on the PS4, it did let me down a bit with the sort of games I like, not to mention several build quality issues.

I’m not going to rush into anything at the moment, especially while I still have so much to play on the Switch.

Pretty sure I won’t be buying an Xbox, still not convinced if or when I’d by a PS5 but am still open to the idea. Maybe give it a year(ish).

Makes sense. If all new PS4 games from now have to be compatible with PS5, it would make the PS4 version less attractive at a tenner more.

I can remember some N64 launch games being up to £90 at launch.

I suggest buy a PS5 with a Disk Drive. More likely to get discounts on physical, plus the 2nd hand market and borrowing/trading is about to become bigger again.

Would you pay £50 to add backwards compatibility, and the ability to play CDs and DVDs? And would you spend £50 more on a console when you know You can save up to a tenner a game buying it on a disc instead of using the digital store instead?

To me buying the digital edition is a false economy, even if you only use the disc drive sparingly.

I think the problem is the internet has trained people into binary Opinions of either the Greatest or Worst, Yes or No, Left or Right, PS or XB. There is no shades of grey. And being of one opinion means they think they should right any opinion that isn’t theirs.

For me TLOU isn’t the sort of game I play, so I have no opinion of it. But if I was interested in it, I would find the opinion of one or two reviewers that like the sort of games I like to inform my opinion.

It does seem every year they have a CG trailer that doesn’t have any relevance to what people will actually see in the real game.

IGN showed it with missing pieces of the puzzle.

I assumed that meant there was going to be micro transactions needed to complete the game.

It’s customisable!

You have a Sharpie laying around somewhere don’t you?

I bet retailers are overjoyed with the prospect of selling a digital version. Or not.

And seeing it took me 20 hours to download the day one patch of Arkham Knight on my cruddy Internet, the prospect of downloading entire higher definition games is even less appealing.

Unfortunately we live in internet world where we can’t have anything to be surprised by now, or not be coloured by extreme opinions by every twit with a keyboard. Perhaps it’s a curse for the single player narrative existing in a world that now wants everyone to play online and converse with everyone else that’s played it? And TLOU is the extreme case of this in narrative lead gaming, because it relies so deeply on the story- perhaps more than any other game.

I remember as a kid in the SNES/Megadrive era that the original THQ were absolutely atrocious, reponsible for some of the most hideously broken knockoffs and licensed games ever. Then through acquisitions they managed to bring their reputation up.

THQ Nordic should be careful not to spread itself so thinly as to repeat history. Also, I wonder how many of these games are for the mobile market?

The Switch was revealed on October 20th, 2016 in a 4 minute sizzle reel. We got a look at the First few games and Joycons on Jan 13th. It launched on March the 3rd.

I don’t think it hurt Nintendo to keep quiet until the last minute and then bombard us with reveals, and I don’t think it will hurt Sony, whereas MS has shown scraps early, and devalued their message so far.

Saying that, when they do reveal, Sony needs something to excite the fans game wise.

XBox seemingly can beat the PS5 on tech and price (because they’re willing to lose to win), but I’m yet to be convinced that even with their studio acquisitions that they’ll have compelling titles like Sony had last year. PlayStation needs to lean in on their already popular IP. We’ve already had the talk on SSD’s and Raytracing, and seeing the reaction online a large percentage of PS customers just want to play Spider-Man and GOW sequels.

Every reveal from both companies makes me less enthused. Rumours of high prices, vanilla launch games and tech issues, coupled with a feeling this generation end is a comma, not a full stop have pretty much convinced me not to get either box, at least at launch.

I think we forget every generation of PS and XB has been lacking in genuinely exciting games at launch. Things might look prettier, but it takes developers a while to really come up with really innovative games. Either console you choose to buy, there will be one okayish exclusive, one racing game, FIFA, Madden, Assassin’s Creed and COD as the main choices- and this time you can buy most of them on the previous gen and then shift when you’re ready... or are able to get hold of the box of your choice.

For me I’m happy to play my Switch and some PS4 titles I’ve missed, and make the jump if or when the water is the right temperature.

Betting this is a 100 hour game.

95 hours customising, 5 hour story.

I think we know in 2020 that people have got a little self entitled over demanding that stories in books, tv, and games have to go the way they imagined they would in their heads, but then Sony wants the Last Of Us 2 to be true to an artistic vision and sell millions of copies. Those two things aren’t normally comfortable bedfellows.

Until the thing comes out we can’t tell the true quality of the product, but if there is an unpopular story point it will put off certain people from buying it. I mean look at Game Of Thrones and Star Wars.

The Switch’s portability makes it perfect for indie games. That and plus you don’t need a £500 console to play Steamworld Dig and Stardew.

The PS5 is going to need to build their indie commerce by having unmissable first party games that draws a wide demographic of players.

As much as they aspire to be, video games can never entirely recreate reality. There will always be an invisible wall somewhere or an NPC who will start repeating themselves. We still have a controller in our hand and press a button to perform an action. So why sweat the minor details in the distance and accept the boundaries. The best music is usually made when they can only record on 16 tracks or less, and a lot of the best TV programmes can happen when they’re set in one room. Limitations push innovation.

I’m of the opinion that in business you don’t ‘win’ against someone else. You set your stall up with a decent product and a polite attitude to your customers, and you try to make more money than you spend.

If success is just about selling more than the other guy no matter what it costs you, you will eventually be out of business. And if you make a billion quid and the other guy makes a billion and one quid, why should you be judged as a loser?

@Flaming_Kaiser

‘MY’ problem with the PS4 is I paid £349.00 for something that stopped working correctly a year after warranty, similar to the fate of my PS1 and my PS2, and 2 Sony DVD players I have owned. And I’m a little sceptical the PS5 will be any different in it’s build quality to be honest. I do not see it as a fair solution that I can fix this problem by buying a more expensive model.

Plus there must be greater rules put in by Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo that stops broken, unfinished games being released before they are ready. With the size of patches getting bigger and taking longer to download, this goes against the concept of a console where you just put the game in and play it. That’s why we choose to play on consoles instead of PC, because the product should come to us fully formed, or as close as it can be.

So the PS5 won’t randomly eject the disc for no reason, update for a couple of hours when I have 30 minutes to play, the controller will have more than 3 hours of charge, and they’ll ship games that won’t need patches larger than the actual game?

Well that’s peachy.

Just reading through this list, it really does show how the PS4 really has all of it’s quality games aimed at older audiences. It’s better than the XB1 lineup, but Sony could really do better in catering for families with the PS5.