MrGawain

@Bez87

There are exclusives for the PS5 like Ratchet and Clank, but a lot of the games you listed are remakes or also available on the PS4. I can’t be the only person scratching my head why I bought a new console when Ragnarok/Miles Morales/Sackboy/Horizon/Last Of Us/FF7 are available on the thing I already have and in most cases for less money.

Both Xbox and PlayStation have yet to show us where ‘next generation’ actually is. We’ve got the sizzle but not the steak.

All the showcase is is an advert. The advert is not the problem- the problem is games are taking longer due to complexity, there’s less because of money, there’s less variety in those games because of decisions that were made to shut certain studios or not green light weird stuff, there’s more live service games and free to start also because of money, and there’s more bugs and less fun because they know all these problems and developers are being rushed to finish.

There is no fix for lack of games overnight, but hyping all the time and suggesting ‘games are coming and it will all be better soon’ is angering people who don’t know why they invested in a big white plastic taco shell to collect dust under their tv.

Let’s be honest: Playstation is at the mercy of a lot of developers not being ready to make games for the PS5- even their own studios. The ‘losers’ are games that got put on too big a stage.

PlayStation’s biggest mistake was making an hour showcase that showed too much blah and not enough wow. It went grey games, indie games, some already announced games and then VR games instead of mixing it up The biggest loser was the media team who made the showcase that made us all less excited about the PS5.

It was good for western sandbox/shooter players, but it wasn’t good for me. Nothing looked… fun. I’m not sold on FF16 yet as it looks very grey, SF6 may be good if we have a strong single player but I’m not convinced. I only smiled at the Plucky Squire. Playstation has lost something moving away from Japanese development.

This is a sticking plaster over PlayStation’s lack of a hand held system. Sony has never had the knack of making enough smaller compelling games to fit on a portable like Nintendo can. I can’t see them making something to play God Of War Ragnarok on the bus anytime soon.

In Nintendo Direct terms an hour is 25-30 games. In Playstation Showcase we’ll see 8-15. They’ll be some cutscenes, some developer talk, and a brief bit of gameplay. Releasing 2025.

As a matter of pride Sony have to deliver now. We’ve waited two and a half years and I’m not convinced much has changed since the PS4. This goes for XBox as well. In the mean time all the mindshare is focused on Zelda TOTK that has actually created a new combination of styles to produce a next gen game on a last gen system.

I wonder if Sony’s reliance on western production has taken away the inventiveness their Japanese studio’s gave them?

I can’t help notice stores dropping £70 games in price to £50 within 6 weeks, and a lot of them being reduced to £30-£40 within 6 months. I’m sure there’s a percentage of people who always pay full price on the day of release (and a lot of those are digital now), but the only game I’ve bought day one recently was TOTK, and I got that a tenner cheaper than the RRP.

£70 games are hurting PS5, but barely any games worth buying are also hurting the PS5. I have God Of War Ragnarok and Astrobit that came packed in with the thing, but all the promises of this year having games I would want have yet to come true. I like fun Japanese developed games, and Sony haven’t helped by getting rid of a lot of those studios and falling out with a few Japanese 3rd parties.

When there’s stuff you want on a subscription, it’s worth paying for- games, tv, films, cheese of the month. When you’ve experienced all they’ve got and don’t want to do the same thing then it’s pointless. The problem with games subscriptions (and TV) is they only work financially to games companies when they can get the maximum amount of subscribers for the minimum amount of fresh content. And with slowing development both PS and XB are having enough trouble finding a new triple A game to sell for seventy quid every month, let alone giving it away in the price of a subscription.

Not sure if it’s the state of play making Sony look bad, or that Sony and the rest of the triple A creators are making an almighty hash of this generation with few games, and most of what we get not what we want gameplay wise.

More money, more problems.

After grumbling for sometime I finally bought a PS5 after Christmas, assuming we’d finally get the big ‘Next Gen’ games this year.

For me personally the Switch somehow has three times more exciting games this year than PS5 and XBX have combined. That really shouldn’t still be a thing.

I think I’ll prefer to replay the Arkham games instead then.

Or more likely Tears Of The Kingdom will obliterate everything else for a good chunk of May and thereafter.

I managed to get a PS5 just before Christmas, more for the future games and for media streaming as opposed to play the games up to now. I got GOW2 as a pack in and I like it as a good, solid game, but it hasn’t wowed me- it’s just more of the same from the last one. I guess any awards list can only be as relevant as the games released in that year.

As a games show it got a good selection of announcements. Now we get to see how long it takes these games to be released. If they’re plugging the same games next year it will be a failure.

Still doesn’t solve the problem that the software is skewed towards western studios and there’s a lack of the quirky stuff that made Playstation fun and different for the previous generations.

And I doubt a remaster of Horizon Zero Dawn will help that.

The last game tried to focus on the pro tourney player. This one seems to be simplifying to the Nth degree for new players.

Meanwhile I’m neither and happy to have kep to SF4.

Anyone would of thought Sony had shifted it’s focus to western produced titles, pit all their prices up, had a bunch of 1st and 3rd party games delayed and then struggled to produce consoles.

I find I tend to like Japanese style gaming, and I have no desire to hunt after a PS5 to play the bunch of drab, samey 3rd person western sandbox games for seventy quid. Sony aren’t suffering in the West yet with sales as core gamers chase after PS5’s, but at the end of the generation I’m betting they’ve lost a big part of the market by limiting their variety.

I have a theory Sony’s plan to get everyone to move on from the PS4 is to release GOW2 on it.

GOW1 almost melted my PS4, GOW2 sounds like it will finish the job.

The reality is E3 is a big expensive advert, and with industry slowdown and rising costs It's surplus to requirements. I get the feeling from every publisher wanting to sell up that profit margins for these massive games has shrunk and there are less of them, so they're spending less on the marketing.

Logically even without the Pandemic there’s going to be less games released per year in the future. Higher grade graphics, longer development, higher budgets, means that there will be less games which means there won’t be publishers touting 7-10 games a year any more unless you’re Nintendo or a large indie developer. So it makes sense to consolidate these presentations.

I think the first one was fantastic, but the Miles Morales was more of the same and left a lot to be desired. Insomniac are going to need to find a change of setting or new mechanic or excitment for the IP will dwindle.

Odd to have kids cartoon characters and a Game Of Thrones character in the same game. But then you think Warner Bros and remember they’re not the most finicky with their IP.

I own a PS4 and a Switch. if you offer me a game I really want for either, I will buy it.

I do not own a PS5. Currently there is nothing in my wildest dreams that would get me to buy a new system. There certainly isn’t anything they’ve released so far that’s tempted me.

Depends on if they actually have games to show.

@get2sammyb

In reference to Nintendo experimenting more than Sony, I would say they both try to experiment, Sony with VR, Controller tech, and services- whereas Nintendo has experimented with Fitness add ons like the balance board and Ring Fit, Toys To Life, and Cardboard pianos that connect to the game. I think it’s fair to say Nintendo has a lot wackier ideas. Sony is more about taking an current idea and developing it, where Nintendo jump about all over the place.

I’ve thought for a while that certain games made for XBox game pass would be limited, partially due to budget, and because they probably don’t want a 100 hour game dominating players time unless they’re spending money on micro transactions. Also logically you would think Microsoft will only want to drip feed so many games a year in the long run instead of throwing all the Bethesda, Activision and Xbox in-house productions at the wall at once. At the moment Xbox is just stuffing old and new games on it they have that are ready to get the numbers up, but you would think it’ll be more reserved eventually to really make money.

If it makes them all try harder to make a good, value for money product I say it’s a good thing. I’m guessing 2K will be FIFA’s first conversation?

True, it’s releasing at 70, but it’ll be 30 in 3 months.

That isn’t even a joke any more. Here in the UK pretty much every PS5 game price drops like a stone. Even first party games can drop by a tenner after the first fortnight.

I get there aren’t many PS5’s in the wild, but this price point seems to be making Sony less than when games released at fifty-ish quid.

@LightningLeader

Maybe not buy, but there must be some way to get exclusives or partnerships (basically offer a better deal). Currently it looks like MS buying a Japanese Publisher may not be as easy for them as buying the western lot.

I don’t own either a PS5 or a XBX currently, but personally I would still buy a PS5 before an XBX- because PS5 has variety in it’s games in innovation… at least it has in the past. Xbox has just bought more American FPS’s again, all that are competing against each other for mindshare. Admittedly XB has stitched up the dudebro gamers at the moment with COD and Fallout, but those games are always subject to depth in a crowded market. And there is a market that wants BETTER, that Sony has with Spidey and GOW.

If Sony really want to compete, then they need to tie up Japanese producers Capcom, Square Enix, and Sega to some deals, and go back to supporting their own Japanese studios… basically what Nintendo has done. I’d much prefer to have 5-8 interesting games a year to play, than a million brown paint by numbers clones.

You have to wonder how further tech can advance as these factories can’t produce enough semi conductors/computer chips? I get we’re coming out of lockdown, but we aren’t ready for build twice as powerful computers anyway. All the tech like phones, cars, computers, tv’s need twice as much processing power, and more new tech is demanding computing. I was reading electric car charging stations aren’t being built because they need a lot of computer parts that aren’t available. With shortages of raw materials and factories to produce them, the next gen of tech is going to be high price and not affordable to the average Joe on the street.

The longer shops have no stock, the less bothered I am about the thing. So far there hasn’t been a game released for it that has hooked me to search for the console, as it seems aimed at someone else. I think this may be because Sony is taking a far more Western-centric position on the sort of games it’s developing.

I enjoyed God Of War. I saw the titles (but didn’t 100% it) ejected the game from my hovercraft sounding PS4, put it in the box and haven’t had any desire to play it again. It’s the perfect millennial game as it doesn’t demand to be replayed on a three year cycle like Ocarina Of Time, Arkham Asylum, or Super Mario World.

Lots of games coming in 2 years time for a console you’ll have trouble getting for the next 2 years.

It was a good 2023 preview, but it didn’t sell me on scouring the world for a PS5 in the meantime.

From my own perspective, the PS5 is a prospect that hasn’t matured yet- quite a few games delayed, quite a few reissues of old PS4 games, a couple of solid looking but a niche exclusives. At some point you know it will be the place to play the big graphically impressive games. But until then we’re living in Nintendo’s time as they have a mass of really diverse titles, especially for people who love Japanese style games.

I wonder if Fighting games beyond Smash are popular enough and sell well enough day one to survive a generational cost hike? Microsoft has already dissolved the Killer Instinct team, Tekken has had numerous cancellations and disappointments, and Street Fighter only got made because Sony subsidised it with a new business model that everyone hated. The sudden halt of MK DLC seasons may also back this up.

What Sony needs is a big (ish) game for the end of the year. If they aren’t holding something back or Horizon slips to 2022, then they don’t need a big event to announce nothing.

95% of all entertainment has such a short day in the sun at full price. Why but a £30 film on Disney when in 2 months it’s a tenner on DVD and 4 months it’s added to the streaming service? I get there aren’t too many PS5 owners about, but I think we’re all starting to learn preorders and day one purchases are pointless when £70 game prices drop so quickly.

Beyond quality of either games, there are lots of people that own a Switch in the UK.

How many PS5’s are there? Forty Three and a half at best?

This game opens up the hope we get games based on films from 2009. Here's hoping for The Imaginarium of Dr Parnossus, The Fantastic Mr Fox, and Invictus!

The Japanese like Japanese games.

Sony has shifted it’s business model to produce more western titles, less Japanese developed games.

Playstation 5 currently has very little Japan centric games.

Playstation 5 currently has very few new games.

You can see why PS5 isn’t doing so great in Japan, the question is do they have much coming to change this in the next 12 months?

It was better than the 2020 one!

You have to view it in context. Both Microsoft and Nintendo promised releases this year. I don’t think Playstation needed to be there, but it does have to eventually show stuff so we desire a PS5 or want to keep our PS4’s plugged in.

Because recently I haven’t been bothered about either.

Is it just me or are 90% of XBox exclusives first person, and 90% of PS exclusives are third person? It seems weird it's somehow split that way.

Conspicuous by its absence, Beyond Good and Evil 2....

There was definitely games for lots of people to be excited about, but it did feel like some sort of QVC sales pitch in places as celebrities and corporate reps regurgitated lines they were fed about games they didn’t know much about.

The moment the lady in the suit called the game she was showing off ‘Kickass’ immediately stole any credibility that this was anything but two hours of adverts. I think it shows that what we like about E3 is watching Developers explain how much they decade about the thing they made.

I think a few governments might step in if Sony were to put this into a real world application.

I wonder if the console shortage in 2021 will mean that certain games will be delayed (looking at God Of War) to wait until there’s a player base for it to sell lots of copies? Ratchet and Clank looks like a true next gen game, but it will only sell in ratio to how many players there are.

Do you really need a PS5 just to play Fortnite on?

So basically they’re now independent of Sony.

Not necessarily a bad thing.