Video: Is It Time to Leave Last-Gen Behind?

The end of next gen will happen once Ubisoft stops releasing Just Dance games on them.

Games that can't run on PS4 - see Cyberpunk - should skip it, those that can, should be sold as PS4 games.

Not that hard really. 🤷‍♂️

I’d be fine with that… If I could get a PS5. I mostly want to see what devs can do with entirely new hardware, but I think the decision would be easier if more people had a PS5

Yes absolutely it should be left behind. I could understand it (just about) when the ps5 first launched but we're now 18 months into the cycle

Time to move on

I didn't buy a PS5 to play games that I could have played on PS4

I think we’ll start seeing most big games skip last gen early next year.

The last gen support should have stopped when the next gen launched. PS4 had 7 years and a phenomenal library of games. Now it's unnecessarily expanding and crippling the potential and the library of the next gen games with the limitations of its hardware.
7 years of ongoing support is absolutely sufficient for customers to be happy with the purchase of a 400 euro hardware.

Wish I could buy a PS5.

Nope. Not being able to get a PS5 tells against bailing now. "Remember that nifty new console you can't buy? Here are some games you can't play on it."

"This is one of the first major titles to retroactively cancel its PS4 release" what other games are going to have their ps4 versions cancelled? As far as i'm aware this is the only one so far?

The question may as well be ‘Do you have a PS5?’ If so then your answer is likely to be ‘yes, move on from PS4’ and if you don’t you’re more likely to say ‘no, keep supporting the PS4’.

As someone who loves their PS5 and main issue is the lack of next gen exclusive I believe 2022 should be the last year of cross gen before we start fully committing to next gen but at the same time we're still having issues preventing people from getting next gen consoles so it's a tough situation as you will have people like me wanting next gen experiences they bought the console for, and people that still can't get a PS5 who want to be able to play them on PS4 for now. It's a shame because the PS5 exclusives I've played are excellent which is why I want more of them sooner than later but the chip shortage is messing with a lot of plans.

I hope not. I’m thinking Sony will be supporting the PlayStation 4 for three years after the PlayStation 5 release because the PS5 is so hard to get. I’m sure there will be significantly less released for the PlayStation 4 in the next year, if not 6 months though. I’m hoping Sony releases a PlayStation 5 Pro, which I would hold out for. I have no problem playing PlayStation 4 for another year or so and then getting a PlayStation 5 Pro. I hope Sony releases one.

“ Is it a choice that will always leave someone unhappy?” of course it is , it’s impossible to please everyone ; there’s always a pro to a con and vice-versa if someone thinks about it hard enough .

with that said though - yes , leave last gen behind and move on please . it’s not fair that the people still behind ain’t got a ps5 yet , but it’s also not fair to those who do have next gen . they’ve had their fill with their last gen consoles long enough , when are we gonna get ours ? ps4 people shouldn’t be selfish when they had their time long enough 😂

@HotGoomba yo , that is ***** hilarious !! 😂😂💀

Absolutely. The PS4 had a great run but it's time for bed old timer.

I hope this is the last year of first party cross gen. I don’t think having a 30fps PS4 version and a faster loading shinier 60fps PS5 version is bad. I think the past few years have really hammered home how graphical fidelity is just one part of what can make a great game but it’s not a necessary condition. But i really want to see AAA games pushing the boundaries of the SSD and CPUs. I want to see new level designs and physics and AI and weird concepts that are not achievable (or financially ruinous to do workarounds) on the decade-old weak mobile cpu in the PS4.

@Bentleyma Dat's true.

Yes!! Enough of ps4 now

Absolutely leave it behind. Ditching last gen is what will propel more innovation in games that can solely take advantage of current gen machines.

Can’t get a ps5? The game will still be there for you to buy once you can.

@Nancyboy you can buy them easily online or at used stores. If you don't wanna pay more fair enough but its the end for ps4 now it's had long enough

I'd say so, even a lot of players already are. PS5 accounts for over 60% of boxed sales recently in the UK and that number is only going to rise. I'd much rather developers just target the new hardware to design their games, of they can run on last gen then so be it but it doesn't seem to be worth the effort from a sales perspective

Yes a steady and increasing transition to ps5 from ps4/pro,I'll admit I'm biased as I've been lucky enough to get a ps5 ,but totally get the idea of releasing cross gen games for a little while longer as if I was still on ps4/pro I'd certainly be saying no you can't ditch last gen yet ,so I understand that because ps5 is still hard to get hold of,and yeah if upcoming games run fine on ps4/pro then I suppose release on both gens but if its proving to be challenging on old hardware ,then ps5 only ,I'm not hugely bothered at the mo either way as I have abit backlog anyway ,so it'll be ps5 only I'd say 12 months from now at a guess

But certainly ps5 only the quicker the better

YES. A HUGE YES. It's almost 2 years from the start of this new gen and we're still debating something that should happen as sooner as possible! I know it's a bummer there's not enough consoles to sell, but we're holding gaming back

Games should be designed around next-gen specs. Ones that can still be made to run on last-gen hardware without issue should be cross-gen, but the more ambitious stuff shouldn't be held back at all.

Simple. You're not holding back development of newer games, but you're also not artificially cutting PS4-only owners out entirely just cuz.

Anyone in the UK saying they can't get a ps5 really isn't trying very hard...

Once I can walk into a shop and buy a PS5... I'm not really as hyped for the new console now though, after a year and a half. I'm fine playing Elden Ring and Horizon on PS4 for the moment, they still look great.

When I look back on going from Atari 2600, to C64, to Mega Drive, to Saturn / PS1, to Dreamcast / GameCube / PS2 / Xbox then PS3 and PS4. Those earlier 'next gen' games if ported to the older consoles or computers did not compare. The difference now seems to be mostly about resolution, framerate, and visual effects.

Maybe on the cutting edge of graphics you can say the PS4 is holding things back, but technically advanced graphics and visual spectacle are only one aspect of what I enjoy about video games.

Once more ps5 is available it will definitely happens.ps4 still getting games coming .theres so many ps4 games and my backlog is a lot.and eventually the games will go to the current gen noe.its all good.word up son

@Marios-love-child When Ghost of Tsushima came out I vowed to leave it for PS5 and I didn't play any new games that came out after that. Even when I couldn't get a PS5 for almost 18 months I was disappointed to hear that games like HFW would be cross-generation releases. There are more than enough great games to play on PS4 if that is all you ever have.
Regardless, it is the business argument that will win the day. I think we are getting close enough to the tipping point for first-party games. Sony are probably seeing that their main exclusives have long tails and maybe even seeing that people are holding off buying cross-generation games until they get their PS5.

Without a shadow of doubt. I do understand why it's still viable, especially with Sony's huge PS4 sales and chip shortages but enough is enough.

Time to move on. There’s tons of PS4 games for folks to be occupied with while he/she tries to get a PS5. It does suck that Sony can’t make enough PS5 to keep up with the demand.

@Marios-love-child couldn’t have said it better. Leave the PS4 behind and give those gamers a reason to look forward to. PS5 when they have a chance to (probably at a cheaper cost and smaller model).

@Ristar24 when you put it like that, is there ever a need for a PS5? PS4 for life?

No, not while there is still a shortage of PS5’s.

It’s easy to say screw the PS4, when you were lucky enough to get a PS5.

I would say, any developer should decide. If the game they make is "must be also on PS4" they should keep it in mind from the scratch. If they want to make something that they know it requires latest hardware, they should put ps4 port aside and rather focus on ps5.

Yeah get rid of the dead weight at this point.
The ps5 games will still be available when people can get the console eventually, and as the recent articles on sales have shown, the software sales will pick up again when there is a release of ps5 consoles.
Sack it off.

18 months into the ‘next gen’ I’d normally say it’s time to move on, but the chip shortage and resulting scarcity of PS5’s is the wild card here. Though I own a PS5, I’d say you have to keep the previous gen in mind for at least another 4-6 months to be fair to everyone still on the older platform. But, it’s ultimately up to the devs at this point. Either way, I just want good games that play well at release - not after months and gigs worth of patches.

If you’re a developer, you’d be nuts to go PS5 only. With almost 100M more PS4s in the wild it’s just too big a market to ignore.

I’m happy to wait to play any game. So for this gen, I’ll wait until there’s a PS5 Slim (I can’t stand the look/size of the current model)

@Luigia Ha, no, though I do still play C64 games. I'll get a PS5 certainly in time, partly as I have a big digital Library so makes sense to move over to 'next gen' and I am interested to see what the new technology can do. I just feel the generational leap seems less impressive to me than in the past, or perhaps my taste has changed over time. I bought a Switch Lite and I really enjoy the console, even though it's technically limited.

@Ryany Fair point, I hear the controller is really something else. I will look to get the new console, but it's not compelling me at the moment. Its up to publishers really, once they move on and stock is more readily available, I'll be more compelled to get the new console. In the meantime, as games are BC, I'm still buying games on PlayStation to carry forward.

If it was easier to come across a PS5 then sure.

@Ristar24 how do you know its less impressive if you don't own a ps5? The controller alone is worth the price. It's time to stop making ps4 games simple as

I wish they did it the day the PS5 came out really +Gotham Knights doesn't really look next-gen even tho it's erm a next-gen only game??? I wonder if it's the Xbox S holding it back now??? Hmm.

@Bondi_Surfer so what they're always will be plenty of ps4s it's holding back new ps5 games & it's time to get rid

I don't wanna see anyone saying they can't get a ps5 you can get one easily if you really want one. The ps4 does not compare in anyway & it's time to stop making games for it. Stop living in the past.

@Sakisa I own a PS5 and I don't like this move, just screams laziness on the part of the developer. I didn't see anything in that demo to suggest that Gotham Knights couldn't run on a PS4.

For sure more games should be made for PS5 only but only if by not doing so would compromise the vision of the artists and developers.

Some on here are very keen to see millions of gamers be left behind but only because they are fortunate to have nabbed a PS5.

@Slippship you know if they'd decided to just release those games on ps5 they'd still be years away because they'd need to have scrapped the development they'd already done on the PS4 & start developing solely for the ps5 so either way you'd still be waiting years 😂

@Ryany where's this magic money tree ?

It was at the very beginning of the generation.

Now its just about damn time.

Look at this way. In a few years from now, everyone will benefit from losing the last gen faster. It’s only temporary that anyone will benefit from the PS4 continuing to get games.

@Would_you_kindly not everyone can afford a new console that's always being the case. The ps3 was £600 15 years ago. That doesn't mean ps4 games should be continued to be made as its having an affect on the quality of ps5 games & that's just not acceptable

@Ryany "I don't wanna see anyone saying they can't get a ps5 you can get one easily if you really want one." ... Not if you can't afford one

@Deljo im in the Netherlands cant get one either i dont have the time to wait untill they go on sale different shifts. And im not going to import one from outside of Europe and 21% in taxes with a inflated price.

I wish the PS4 and Xbox One were dropped when the current systems launched. Cross-gen FIRST PARTY games are a hindrance to innovation. I don’t care that third party titles drag it out.

You can easily get a ps5 here in the uk most used stores sell them for around £600 I got mine ages ago wasn't hard at all.

@Would_you_kindly I cant get one i dont have the time to run around looking for one and ill be damned if i pay a fee to a scalper. I rather buy some extra PS4 games from LRG and have fun.

@Ryany So im paying more for a secondhand yea ill wait no issue with that.

As an English speaking Falcom fan, I’ll be buying PS4 games until 2025 at least.

@Flaming_Kaiser it's how bad you want a ps5 unlike xbox one series x which is now available easily I honestly believe it could be years before that's the case for ps5 as Microsoft bought more chips than Sony. It's up to you

@HotGoomba DEAD

PS4 games will be removed to sell you only $70 games or to cut time and cost.

It is not "holding back" games.

By this logic there will never be a "Next Gen" game on XSX, because they also need to work on the "New" Xbox Series S (that is 4 teraflops, like a PS4 PRO)

Future Games will be made to take advantage of the RTX4080/4090 (rumored to be 100 Teraflops) and then cut down to whatever consoles exist.

@Ristar24 the PS5 and XBOX ONE should be given awards for their performance creating games based on a 2013 mobile CPU, for a decade!

@Flaming_Kaiser which is fair enough. I can only speak for the UK but they are regularly in stock here, just this morning argos emailed me and there was some available not far from me. Excuse my ignorance but can you not just buy from amazon in the Netherlands?

They'll stop releasing to last Gen when the chip shortage ends. If they have over 200 million PS4 users and only 20 million PS5 users. It makes no sense to stop until they can close the gap for this generation.

It all depends. If a new title can run efficiently and satisfactory on the PS4 then by all means release it but if it’s clear it can’t then skip it. Cyberpunk, to pick an all-too-easy example, should have always been a PS5 exclusive and trying to get it to run on last gen hardware was, in retrospect, a pretty dumb idea and one which ultimately hurt the games reputation. Yes, recent fare like Forbidden West can offer an acceptable experience in PS4 but it’s clearly far superior on PS5. I don’t think it’s time to totally abandon PS4 yet as there are still plenty of great indie titles coming out but I think that by the start of 2023 most games should solely be available for PS5 as more companies realise the limitations of last gen.

But hey, who really knows? I was lucky enough to get a PS5 on Day 1 and recently bought one for a friend as I’m just so damn kind but with limited stock still stranding fans in the land of last gen abandoning it right now is a potentially alienating decision that’ll no doubt cause plenty of heated arguments online and we don’t want any of that nonsense now, do we?

I actually got a PS5 in July last year but sold it to my brother a few days later as he wanted it more. I couldn't justify the purchase at the time as my PS4 Pro with a 2TB SSD was, and remains, sufficient for my needs. The games look good enough and the longer load times and lower FPS compared to the PS5 don't bother me. I also play a lot more indie games these days which don't demand next-gen hardware. Recently finished Trek to Yomi and The Ascent and both looked great on the Pro. I also love my themes and folders, not to mention the option of remote play with my Vita. I'm just too comfortable at the moment.

Once there are more improvements to the PS5's OS, as well as more enticing games like Returnal that scream "next gen" to me I will pick one up again. I anticipate this will be in the next 12-18 months as they become more readily available.

Boy it’s not too hard to spot the lucky devils on here who managed to get their mitts on a PS5 huh?

@BobbyDG

We don’t need another Pro/One X situation.

The Series X and PS5 are set to last a full generation. No developer has really tapped into what they can do yet.

I do expect a mini revision at some point in 2024 though.

As for me, I think Sony should definitively declare that God of War Ragnarok will be the final 1st party cross gen game. After that, it should be focused solely on PS5.

I know that I’m privileged to have a PS5 (and I’ve had it since November 2020) but it’s time to move on. We need more games that fully leverage our hardware.

@Ryany

It’s the load times for me.

PS5 native games, especially First Party, load near instantaneously.

That’s the biggest improvement to me over the PS4.

@NomNom

There’s only 117 million PS4s in the wild.

I’m fine with 3rd parties keeping up the support, but for first party games (the games that are supposed to push the boundaries and tax these new consoles to their limits) it’s time to move on from the PS4.

Microsoft has the right idea. Let the previous consoles stream the games. But don’t hold them back to support the last Gen machines natively.

I'm not a libertarian but I think this is one of those cases where you should just let market forces take care of it

Should have left it last year, games are being held back or just feel like prettier PS4 games. Look at Horizon its basically the first game just with better graphics and some underwater stuff, if it wasn't designed around the PS4 it would have been a lot better.

@Col_McCafferty Yeah my legendary RDR2 friend is back and speaking some real sense. I've watched FF16's videos and it's nothing that can't be done on PS4. It's only a handful of devs like Naughty Dog & Rockstar that can really utilize a console's power.

I don't mind if it's cross gen as such but I think my issue is that Sony/playstation developers said that the price of a ps5 is because they are bigger and more expansive game's (unless I'm mistaken) so if they are still on ps4 why are we paying the extra if that makes sense to anyone lol??

Here is a thought how about yes end ps4 so Sony can focus production lines on ps5 only and that way their is more ps5s for people to get..

100% and it’s par for the course. You see it happen here and there only for the first 2 years then in the 2nd it starts to happen a lot and by the 3rd they don’t release at all anymore on last gen. Ps5 is their latest anyway and they need to be focusing on that rather than allowing players on outdated machines to still be a part of it

Talking from where I live here in South America, hell no. The PS5 is almost impossible to get and the prices are ridiculous. Even a PS4 is crazy expensive.

Not yet. Until I can walk into a Best Buy or Walmart (etc.) and buy one, the next-gen hasn't arrived. I want a next-gen console but after trying repeatedly early-on I've given up. I'll only get one now when I go can into a store a buy one.

They're still making Sega Genesis cartridges, so my PS4 should be safe for a while.

I think it's a difficult thing to move all your new titles to a platform that isn't as saturated as it could be, nor is available to people who want it.
It's an interesting topic .. on one hand it's time to showcase games that cannot be done on the past gen, on the other hand people can't let go of the past gen because they can't get the new one.
So in terms of leaving past gen behind, you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I retired my PS4 the minute I got a PS5... As for the rest, who cares?

The ps4 is still my main system even though i have a ps5. Extra storage on the ps5 is expensive. So, most of my games are stored on the ps4 and i still have a lot to play.

Not all games need new gen capabilities, so obviously no

I'm still missing any swan-song AAA exclusive title(s) for the PS4. You know...like we had for the PS1 back in the 2000-ish era ... Spyro 3 or GT2 for ex. Yes we had Ghost of Tsushima & TLOU 2 but ... eh ... still not quite there in my opinion. That cross-gen downgraded mumbo-jumbo doesn't really count. Before the PS4 retires (original or PRO) it should take one last hefty "breath of the wild" (LOL). An exclusive that would go down in history...that would be remembered with dignity. One last mega-title with which the devs would rush all-in...guns blazin'...utilising all the bells and whistles (60fps/HDR, motion sensors, gyro function, vibration, touchpad, camera/VR mode, Vita/mobile cross-functions, etc.). For that, even a 59.99 tag would be justified.

my country doesn't have playstation direct, so even if sony pushes more ps5 consoles into the market, i wont be able to get my hands on one that easy, so my options are either wait a few years till the price of the ps5 in the shops is even close to the actual price of the ps5 released by sony (399$ for the digital version - 499$ for the disc version) or just give in to scalpers which at this point are selling the ps5 where i live at twice the actual price (with no case or a torn up case in most situations which basically means that those scalpers got the ps5 from another country at the official price and then managed to get it through the customs without paying anything as you don't pay any fees in the airport if the device you are bringing in is for personal use ) .. so i dunno i hate to give those guys my money, and i also hate not being able to play the games i'm excited for.
sorry for the rant anyway !

@rjejr Absolutely right. If it can run on both then why not? Some devs are going to keep the old timer going because it makes money for them and the publishers. If it is something too taxing for the PS4 (and not just a badly coded heap of **** - see Cyberpunk) then release it as a PS5 only title.

I'm sticking with the SSD Pro at the moment as I've yet to see anything of merit on the white wardrobe. Is it 5 or 6 exclusive games now?

At some point I will buy a PS5 and up until then, I'm more than happy for devs to make the shift over to the PS5 only titles because lord knows there's bugger all worth getting one for at the moment!
Until some decent PS5 only titles arrive (2023 or beyond?) then the Pro will do quite nicely, thank you.

Yeah I think it's time, PS4 will be 10 years old but the end of next year

Put that mutha to bed, to bed. Put that mutha to bed

Devs cancelling PS4 release VS Sony releasing FW update for PS3 & Vita ... omg whan an era to be alive

@JAMes-BroWWWn Sure, let's ignore everyone who owns a PS4, but can't purchase a PS5 because of chip shortages and bots buying them all up!!!! Sony can't even make enough PS5's to make a profit on AAA PS5 exclusive games!!!!!

Sure, let's leave the PS4 generation out to dry... What a stupid statement... Sony can't even produce enough PS5 for AAA PS5 only games to turn out a profit... How dumb can you get? I have to prove who I am and use ReCaptcha just to pay my bills, but bots can purchase scores of PS5's and auction them on ebay for over $1000? Really? There is a chip shortage until at least 2024 according to Sony, and we are talking about making games PS5 only? Really? Just how dumb can you get?

@NoFaceBigFoot Don't forget that Sony raised an order for another million PS4s only recently. It ain't dead until the PS4 store closes...!

Tychus Findlay said it best: "Hell, it's about time!"

I own a PS4 and a Switch. if you offer me a game I really want for either, I will buy it.

I do not own a PS5. Currently there is nothing in my wildest dreams that would get me to buy a new system. There certainly isn’t anything they’ve released so far that’s tempted me.

I think developers will probably stop producing PS4 software shortly after they realise how to tap the full potential of the PS5. And that won’t happen for a while yet.

Is there anything out right now that shows what the PS5 (or the Series X, for that matter) is truly capable of? Something utterly ground-breaking?

If so, then I haven’t heard about it.
And we won’t hear about it for as long as consumers are happy with current-gen (PS5) versions of GTAV or the Witcher 3.

How many PS5 games are there that just cannot run on a PS4?

Oh, right…Cyberpunk.

Does anyone else buy movies on 4K Blu-ray?
And the studios still package an ordinary 1080p (HD) Blu-ray in the box?

Why? It’s the same sort of issue, I guess.

Of course games should release on both consoles. If you have a last generation pc, doesn’t mean those who have an old generation can’t play the newest games, even if this means they will tweak the settings to be playable.

Don’t mind last gen games but as an PS5/XSX owner I would like to see some next-gen only gameplay mechanics. Experiences that feel new, even experimental so we can see some evolution in the gaming industry imo.

@sanderson72 In my head there are only 2 PS5 exclusives, Returnal and Ratchet & Clank. There are probably more but I can't name them. Well unless we count ones coming out, then Gotham Knights. But that's all I got.

I had to buy a PS5 for my 2 teens for Christmas '22 b/c that was all they wanted, we're big R&C fans. If R&C had also bene on PS4, which honestly I don't understand why it couldn't, I may have waited on the PS5. Though last March I did spend $1k on a 75" 4k tv and my OP PS4 wasn't making the most out of it so that helped too. Really can't see a reason for anyone w/o a 4k TV to buy a PS5 for years now.

Oh wait, GT7 may be PS5 only. I don't do driving games, completely forgot about that one. Nope, also on PS4 too. Sony really was talking about of their bum w/ that "We know generations" comment. 😝

@Deljo not in the Netherlands somehow they are never in stock or i miss them every time somehow?

The answer is no, Sony shouldn't abandon the PS4. The vast majority of PlayStation gamers own a PS4, not a PS5. If Sony stops PS4 support before you can easily walk into a Wal-Mart and buy a PS5 they are inviting players to leave their eco-system - not that it's super easy to buy a Series X either. But hell, I could give Microsoft my cc #, get PC Game Pass and never look back.

In a perfect world my answer to this would be yes! They've done a good job supporting the PS4 with several great cross-gen swan songs, and I think under normal circumstances it would be okay to move on, but obviously these are not those circumstances.

@Ryany The amount of money you're either willing or capable of spending is very different than "how badly you want it". I could order a PS5 now in the US if I'm willing to spend $900, but I'm not. That doesn't mean I don't WANT one. I take a peak for restocks every few days, but I don't have the time to be a hawk about it.

@Ryany Then thats that i want one but im not going spend hundreds extra with import and i just dont have the time to keep track of the stock all the time. I have shifts and stuff to do so i rather spend the extra cash on PS4 games and wait.

@RudeAnimat0r I agree with you 100% if you cant make the console available in a good way its suïcide to kill of your older console.

@Lexluther23 There are different chips needed for a PS5 its not that they can not make there are no chips. If you make a PS5 that does not mean there is no place to make a PS4 console or games because its different hardware.

@Flaming_Kaiser you'll be waiting a longtime. I work also many hours that's nothing to do with it. I'm saying you can walk into shops & just buy them. They have about 20 in sheffield where I am in the cex store. It's not difficult

As a longtime gamer, the idea that ditching PS4 would somehow result in amazing leaps in the abilities, gameplay, etc. of PS5 games just strikes me as bizarre. Look at the way games evolved during much grander hardware improvements between PS2 to PS3, or PS3 to PS4 — the only changes that were actually hardware-dependent were basically the graphics & sound.

It's no different from the gap between consoles and PCs; you could go spend $2,000 on a fancy gaming rig, but you'd still wind up playing the same non-exclusive games on it that we play on a $150 PS4/XB1 or $500 PS5/XBS, just with prettier graphics and the ability to mod some of the games, because the hardware doesn't actually make that big a difference.

@Phranctoast they’re not nearly as bad as before on StockX. Just spend the extra $150 and get one over MSRP if you want it that bad.

@RudeAnimat0r they’re $660 on stockx right now. That’s not much more than a PS3 at launch lol

@rxd__350 It's still nearly 40% more than MSRP. I wouldn't call that a deal exactly. Also, I wouldn't use the PS3 launch price as a particularly flattering comparison - you may remember the PS3 kind of floundered at that price point.

Honestly, bigger games should fully take advantage of PS5 hardware, which would mean yes, leaving PS4 behind for those types of games, such as Gotham Knights. But, as we see currently, smaller games can absolutely still release on PS4, again, as long as the PS5 version is not compromised

I sure hope so. Can't help but feel like games are being held back. I get the PS5 shortage but I didn't get a PS4 until a few years into the cycle and then enjoyed the hell out of every hit game made to that point. Can't imagine what those games would have been like if they had to haul PS3/PS4 cross gen as long as this has lasted.

@Ryany Yes, you can walk into a CEX branch and buy one - for over £200 MORE than the RRP for the proper one at least!

They keep appearing on GAME, Currys, ShopTo, The Game Collection, etc. from time to time so it's no real hardship to get one if you really want one.

For me, I'm still waiting for a decent must have exclusive - a PS3 remaster and a clearly for PS4 platformer don't cut it and there seems to be bog all on the horizon too.

Behind all this though is COVID; the pandemic stalled a lot of games development with so many slipping from 2021 to 2022 and now we're seeing slippage into 2023 and those game are and were always designed to be PS4 games - they're just late turning up, that's all!

New games being scripted/designed right now are probably going to shift towards the PS5 and XSX (and won't appear until 2023 at the earliest) but at the moment there are a LOT of cross gen games set to come out of the next year or so.

@JAMes-BroWWWn

111 million PS4 V 19 Million PS5 says that was never going to happen if the games released were ever going to turn a profit.

Sure , when there are probably 30 - 40 million PS5 Sold then the release of PS5 only games become more viable , unless they absolutely screw the Price of PS 5 games to make the figures work...and they would never do that ...would they ?

@sanderson72 I agree there's nothing worth buying a ps5 for now. No must have but my pro was in poor condition so I bought a ps5 I don't regret it the load tomes are worth it alone & most titles do look & run much better

Absolutely. The very people who run PlayStation went on a multi month tirade about how "generations matter, exclusive this, exclusive that", got us all fired up and buying into the PS5.
I'm simply following their lead, but we're almost two years in now, this is just how it's always worked anyway.
As for games, we were teased with Demon's Souls, Rift Apart & Returnal, but have gone completely backwards now + third party quality control for all these platforms is in an absolute state of terror.
Forbidden West is a perfect example that last gen has peaked, it moved zero needles, just a great PS4 game with fast loading times. Only speak for myself, but I went through the pre launch grind to secure the PS5 and invested in new hardware to go beyond what the PS4 delivered.

@Jaberwocky The whole 111 million VS. 19 million argument makes no sense as we know for a fact that every game sells better on PS5 than PS4. Plus, this has always been that scenario in previous generations. A new generation starts and the previous halts.

And even beyond that, games like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Demons Souls and Retunal have been said to be big hits according to Sony themselves.

@Ryany

Why do people on this site ignore Returnal?

I don’t understand. The game is AMAZING.

@Ryany Guess what i dont live in the UK. 🤪

I finally got one here in the Netherlands but i totally understand that people say its hard to get one i just got lucky.