Poll: Is PlayStation Losing Ground to Xbox?

While I don't think PlayStation is "losing" per se, I will say that they do need to recover some lost ground here. Lot of narratives being painted and it's not in their favor. Xbox is doing very well and GamePass is a huge hit. We're not going to front like it's not.

"However, the hardcore bubble is often where perceptions are planted, ready to bleed into the mass market"

Nailed it. That's how influencers work. From those small (but powerful) acorns grow mighty oak trees.

See ya, push square.

Also Gamepass is a huge sucsess. But in parallel, we now have the £70 game. The delta between £40 and free was bad... but now it's £70 and free - that's an even harder pill to swallow.

I think SIE need a new leadership who believes in their valuable brand
And it fanbase

They aren't on the losing end right now but if they keep up with the attitude they have right now they could very well be trailing behind Microsoft in a few years.

I'm not going to call it doom and gloom for Sony because what's out there right now is compelling as hell and what's coming down the line is also something worth getting excited over, but the software is pretty much the only leg up Sony has right now despite the fact their console is doing better in terms of units sold and all that stuff

It feels like Sony's becoming progressively conservative with what studios and IPs they prioritize, thinking if they can play it safe and just use the exact IPs that made the PS4 successful, the PS5 will just be a direct repeat of the PS4's wide acclaim, and the Bloomberg article put a lot of stuff into perspective like why they closed down Japan Studio or why they're shutting down the digital stores on pre-PS4 consoles. They seem to want to play it extremely safe and the points that Schrier mentioned where they had studios willing to become more autonomous and lead their own major projects, were quickly shut down or failed to even get off the ground in the case of Bend Studio pitching Days Gone 2.

Between stuff like MLB going to Game Pass and now the persistent rumors about Kojima Productions courting Xbox for their next game, Sony really needs to pull out their trump cards if they have them because even if they're safe for now technically, Microsoft is getting extremely aggressive and are seemingly doing all the opposite things to get on the consumer's side compared to where they were this time 7 years ago, and it's even more telling when I see people saying they're switching to Xbox this gen when unlike Sony, Microsoft doesn't even have much in the way of exclusive content out there yet and are mostly relying on Game Pass/xCloud to carry their momentum while hoping Halo Infinite does well when it does come out

I wouldn’t really lower the argument to a poll. It shouldn’t even be an argument. Sony have been doing well for years. Xbox are now doing well. That’s less Sony doing overly badly and more of the dynamic evening out.

Yes slowly but sure they are. Sales are good now because of what Shawn Layden did with the PS4. With how Jim Ryan and Herman Hurst are running Sony its eventually going to decline, you can feel it. Its just nothing but negative publicity from them and eventually that will catch up. I still myself haven't bought a PS5 because I'm not sure I like this direction there going in.

Ultimately it depends on the upcoming games.
...If Bethesda has a few exclusive system selling games for XBox...
...If Minecraft sequel(s) are exclusive to XBox...
...If Sony doesn’t add the PS1, PS2, PS3, and Vita games to the PS5 store and make them playable on the PS5...
the tide could turn quickly.

I'd like to think a 'PlayStation Game Pass' would be the perfect way for Sony to make smaller, weird games again without having to worry about sales. Imagine Vib Ribbon HD or a new Patapon that can launch on said service and actually have a good shot at finding a bigger audience than before. Or I don't know, an echochrome-maker free to all subscribers that gives some neat extra value a la Tetris 99 / Pac-Man 99.

All I will say is that it's been really depressing being a PlayStation fan these last few months.

@Adge Gamepass isn't free

What people REALLY mean by 'Sony needs to respond to GamePass' is 'We want all PlayStation Games from now on to be put on PS Now/PS Plus Day One because we're too cheap to support the hobby we claim to love'.

@get2sammyb I wonder how many of the exclusives we're getting now and soon were greenlit under the old or new management. Each of them maybe had around three or more year development cycles, so that lines up with when the old hats were in charge.

@viciousarcanum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmyJ1RVfnPE

@Wakkawipeout Gamepass can only be afforded by Companys who have Billions to burn for years until it might be profitable one Day (like Trillion $ Company MS). Sony doesnt have enough resources for this

@JustPlainLoco You can love gaming without wanting to drop £70 on a game.

When I spend 70 pounds on a game, it has value, it another motivation for me to invest my time on it and play it through to completion beyond actual enjoyment of the game. With researching reviews and previews, I don't buy bad games, I'm only buying games I want to play, games that have an appeal to me, games I know are worth the price.
With game pass its a scatter gun approach of games I'm not interested in, would never play, have little to no value and are not up to the quality of the ps plus offerings.
Admittedly there are games worth playing on Gamepass, but these tend to be the first party exclusives, but if i was that interested in playing them I would of chose xbox over playstation long before Gamepass was a thing. My son has an xbox series s with gamepass and he constantly asks me if he can play ghost of tsushima, I guess the old saying of quality over quantity has some merit. I would rather play god of war for a one off payment of £60 than a monthly subscription for a service of games which I'm just not that interested in.

Can you add an option for "I really don't care, I have a ps4/5 because I like playstation, if I was bothered, I'd buy an Xbox"
Please.

I said kind of. Too many delays and silence. Too many bad news.

And no. They don't need gamepass. I think since triple A games sell better on ps, it's better to stay that way for most triple A developers (not smaller studios).

Maybe an indie/double A pass would be better.

@jgrangervikings1 I think Minecraft is probably going to remain multiplat for the foreseeable future seeing as how it's basically transcended its company and become a major monolith in terms of multimedia success, but Microsoft pulled out more cash for Bethesda than Disney did for Marvel and Lucasfilm combined, and are clearly doing it with intent of strengthening their exclusive portfolio, and even more importantly the value behind Game Pass and their interconnected ecosystem, so stuff like Starfield and possibly even Elder Scrolls VI are definitely being positioned as major first party content from them going forward, and it's not as likely they'll be multiplatform

Are they losing ground (as in percentage of gaming revenue)? probably, although MS are paying through the nose for that. But for me Sony are killing it because I’m a massive fan of VR.
MS could catch up with me specifically by jumping on board that and poaching all the Japanese devs who are being pushed out through Sony’s Puritanism.

You still can't buy a ps5 and have to struggle in the middle of a global pandemic to give a company £450! Having said that, I have a series x through all access and a ps5. Gamepass is good value and Sony charging £70, when games in UK have recently been £50 , is not. End of. Apologists for the pricing strategy can do one, Sony are a company, not your sports team. I'm hoping gamepass value forces Sony to compete and offer something competitive to consumers, even if it does not have day one release of new top tier games.

Not for me personally, I sub to Gamepass/Xcloud for basically one game and outside of that PS systems cover my needs and more. I do think this gen will be much more even vs last though which is good for all involved!

Xbox is closing the gap, that is inevitable, and that meas no mater what Sony does, they will lose some ground. That does not mean they will be behind, just that they will lose some advantage.

Again, this is inevitable. PS4 huge advantage in the market was, in great part, due to Xbox ones terrible launch and the Wii U even worse launch.

Neither of these things will repeat.

Now, question is how much ground will they lose, how close the race might become. Will Xbox manage to once more reclaim the US as their turf? Even the disastrous Xbox one was not that far behind PS4 on the US, so it is not unlikely.

It's hard to tell either way, both consoles are supply constrained and apparently will be for quite some time. If anything, it seems Sony's manufacturing lead is going to keep them with a good head start.

This does not mean they can sleep on it. It is actually sad that Xbox is beating PlayStation on their game subscription service, something Sony actually pioneered with PSNow.

@JustPlainLoco Listen man I know these games are probably well worth their time and money but if you're seriously expecting me to be prepared consistently fork out 90 of my Canadian dollars every time an exclusive or just a game comes out on their platform you're GRAVELY mistaken

@R1spam
A game is worth what ever people are willing to pay for it, whilst putting the price up to 70 isn't good, people are still going to pay it, that's called capitalism. Also your speaking like it's just Sony who are charging more for games, im pretty sure if Microsoft haven't already, they will do the same.

Losing? No
Lost? Yes

@Adge so Gamepass doesn’t cost a monthly sub anymore?? That’s news to me thanks for sharing it with us

We are in a weird world right now where everything sells out. Will find out what the true situation is when one of them stops being supply constrained.

@Ken_Kaniff same, I haven't even been able to find one, for the time being I'm happy with my PS4
I'm just not too keen on some decisions being made at PS

I don't know. Maybe because you're that high on the top your fallings makes more noice.

One thing is sure, you guys remember when people use to say there is a "media bias" towards Sony??? Lmao we don't hear that anymore.

Everything except for Game Pass Microsoft just playing catch up but if Sony thinks it is business as usual then Microsoft could sail right past them!

Remember in the 80's Nintendo thought no one could topple them with the NES but then Sega came out of nowhere and became a massive contender.

Though healthy competition is good for us the consumer

I’m on board because of PSVR. The real challenge for Sony is the Switch which is headed to sell way better than both Sony and Xbox.

I mean, Microsoft is stepping their game up nowadays. They're pushing the right buttons.

I feel Sony needs to be more transparent about things. Sure the sudden shots of news worked when everyone was on edge about the PS5, but it's not exactly working anymore.
People want to see what Sony has planned.

@nessisonett you can still drop $70+ on a game that you didn’t necessarily want to but it still turns out to be worth every penny

Funny how “value” is subjective

I definitely feel we're going to get to a period a few years from now when Xbox's many studios are firing on all cylinders and they'll be releasing exclusive after exclusive.

The moves Sony's been making certainly don't seem to suggest that they're prepared to counter that.

Without the 360 doing what it did you probably wouldnt have the focused drive that brought so many late gen ps3 classics.

Without ps plus giving away games there wouldnt have been games with gold.

Without the ps4 doing so well there probably wouldnt have been the shift from microsoft to really push gamepass into what it now is.

My point being that no matter how we perceive a company's actions, or lack of in this case, it all works in our favour as gamers in the end. There will be a reaction from Sony to Microsofts push (eventually, at least) and it will end up in more value on the table for us folks. Console wars are dumb but competition is neccesary.

As things are as they are now sony will lose in every department apart from physical sales, but at this point that is all sony care about, not the players like they say, but the numbers/money

@Daveuppercut your not wrong, let's see the metrics for returnal and ratchet and Clank though before we comment on the impact. If plenty people are willing to pay, then it's just an echo chamber of enthusiasts who have an issue with this. If not, then they have misjudged this.

I don't think there is any chance that Xbox catches up but it should. Series X is by far the superior console and while Sony has a history of producing absolute bangers, I personally find Microsoft's future line up to be much more compelling.

Sony have been making huge missteps recently and, in the eyes of a lot of gamers, are regressing back to the arrogant PS3 days. I think MS have been doing a great job but are still a way off from being seen as the leader of this gen. Everything MS do right now seems to be paying off and the opposite for Sony. Which considering MS haven't really even released any games of note is pretty impressive. It will all balance out though.

I don't think it necessarily needs it's own version of Game Pass. I love Game Pass for it's value - plus I get it for free (legally); but I look to Sony for a different experience. I mean, I guess it could just start supporting PS5 games on PS Now, that would be helpful.

I think Sony should focus on fixing some of it's system quirks - like the whole upgrade problems on PS5 are just a mess. Basically, Sony needs it's own answer to Smart Delivery.

Also, here we go with no folders again?! Come on Sony, really? PS3 had folders, PS4 has folders. Seriously, stop. Just make it a standard with every system you make from here on out.

I kind of wish Sony would have supported Atmos and DTS:X. Sony can continue to support 3D Audio via Headphones with it's own proprietary technology, but there is no sense in reinventing the wheel here for people with supported home theater systems - the 3D Audio already exists there (no research needed). Plus there are a fair amount of streaming services that support Dolby Atmos. Probably too late for that, but it would have been nice.

Those are about the only complaints I have with the PS5. The lack of PS5-only games issue is sadly not Sony's fault. The pandemic is definitely screwing this one up for everyone.

@LTPenguin I bought a series S with gamepass for one of my kids and I use it to play through anything i want. Zero regrets. Absolutely brilliant little machine and gamepass lets me play anything i cant on my ps5.

@art_of_the_kill I’ve read this same exact comment 3 years ago... Xbox is still loading the bullets and will eventually fire on all cylinders in another 2 years I presume? 3?? Can’t wait to check back and see if you’re finally right in couple years

Yes. (but I have to write more for it to post)

@2cents Of course it’s subjective, just like basically everything on this planet. You really don’t have to jump on everybody else’s opinions.

@R1spam
That's all we can do, the results will dictate the business model, im sure Sony have done their market research and whilst I'm not particularly liking their public image at the moment, no company sets out to fail. Time will tell.

Anything for clicks 🤣

Notice how three of the answers are basically the same 👋🏾

@TheFrenchiestFry - If Developers are putting in that hard work to deliver a High-Quality AAA Game, are they not deserving of the money to compensate for their efforts? Expecting games to be put on PS Now / PS Plus day one will inevitably hurt the quality of their games in the long run. Last thing I want is for PlayStation's games to be reduced to shovel-ware quality just because people are too cheap to support the hobby they claim to love.

I mean. All this negativity surrounding Playstation is strange. Playstation has literally added value to PS Plus with the collection. They also came up with the Play at Home initiative where you can download some games without even needing a PS Plus membership (now that is truly free except for the cost of the console). Yes, Microsoft are doing good but I can’t see Playstation doing that bad to deserve criticism.

I don't think there losing ground but a few things that have come out since the PS5's launch seem pretty boneheaded.

If they keep making stellar games for PS5 like l they did for PS4 they'll stay in a good position.

@2cents It's bound to happen eventually. Fact is, they have way more studios than Sony does now and it's only a matter of time before that translates to them having way more exclusives.

Keep in mind also that if Deathloop does really well, Sony won't get the sequel. Nor will they get The Outer Worlds 2, which is presumably going to happen since Phil Spencer has expressed interest in expanding upon that series.

But hey, at least Sony has their most successful first-party studio, Naughty Dog! I can't wait to see what new IP they'll being doing ne---

Oh....

I pick Kind of, PlayStation's still on top but Xbox is doing well & PlayStation should just improve its existing subscription services.

With me, they are definitely losing ground. I’ve owned the PS1-PS5 and sometimes multiple of each. I’ve owned the PSP and Vita. I owned the Xbox and 360 but skipped since.

I’m not a fan of GamePass as I believe it will hurt quality eventually but Microsoft isn’t constantly pissing me off like every piece of Sony news is doing.

I already own 2 PS5s based off their history. I’ve loved their games but hearing Days Gone 2 doesn’t exist really pisses me off. I hate the direction Sony is going.

No need for a new service, but Sony do definitely need to compete directly with Game Pass.
PS Now can easily be improved to serve that purpose (preferably bundled with PS Plus for a bit of a bulk saving).

@JustPlainLoco I don't think a thing like a Game Pass alternative or something that allowed people to sample games would give developers an incentive to just give up on making quality software

The precise reason why people like Game Pass is BECAUSE of the fact they get to subscribe to a service and get access to a treasure trove of high profile stuff that isn't held back by a standalone high price tag. It's why Microsoft have been successful with courting people like SEGA and Square in regards to putting their stuff on Game Pass the same time they just launch on Xbox like with Yakuza, Final Fantasy and Octopath Traveler, as well as what landed them the timed exclusivity deal on PSO2 New Genesis, and none of those games are shovelware-tier quality, which is why it looks like a valuable proposition next to paying full price for a standalone game as opposed to getting it on Game Pass day one

Drama

The answer is yes in some form. PS5 is still a better buy than XSX (if you can find either) but man Xbox has made some great moves lately.

More Playstation doom and gloom articles every day on PushSquare, this is getting real tired. Everyone complaining about 70 dollar games I don't get it. When did everyone suddenly stop wanting to support the developers of video games by buying them?

@ApostateMage

Comedy

The online discourse is in Microsoft's favor but who knows who is "winning". PS5 and X|S are impossible to buy. If anything the PS4 is still the top dog and it still has a steady stream of new releases that people will buy for it, rather than Xbox. Most of which are not on Game Pass, ie. RE Village.

I'm kind of getting tired of these articles. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate opinion pieces, but this just seems to be making a big stink because we're in a new news void. Clearly Soy must do something to silence the vocal minority, but ugh, so tired of this topic.

I don't think that there is a lot of stuff that PS needs to do. Rather just tweek somethings and it will put pressure on Microsoft. Game pass is unreal at times. While great for the gamers, i don't believe that it is profitable. So if PS just does something about existing services and keep giving us outstanding first party games; everything will work out

@R1spam not saying you are right or wrong here but I wouldn't count myself as an apologist yet the £70 price tag doesn't bother me. Not because I'm super rich or because I see any gaming company as my sports team as you put it. I would say I have a certain expectation that games will always get better and use improved technology to deliver evolved experiences. Am I under the impression that I should have a better experience for the same price as the previous gen? No. However what I will say is that any gaming experience that offers similar if not the same experience as the previous generation for an inflated cost because it sits on another system won't see a penny from me at least not at retail prices.

I think looking at the price tag in a one dimensional view of being an affordable price or too expensive isn't what this should be about but more is the perceived value of the game worth the price they are asking for which will vary from player to player.

Every consider Microsoft has gotten Outriders and MLB because they haven't had a single AAA exclusive game release, none at all so far since the launch of XSX, and you still paid $180 for Gamepass, even if you played both which is unlikely that's only $120 full priced

There's something fascinating about the disconnect between reality and the doom and gloom people seem to feel about the current state of Playstation. Every quantifiable metric is positive. They managed a successful launch of an excellent new piece of hardware - their second fantastic launch in a row, not an easy feat. They are outpacing their main competitor in unit sales by around 2 million consoles. They continue to release excellent first party games.

Why is the narrative shared among many who identify as PS fans so overwhelmingly negative? There is less information coming from Sony these days, that's undeniable. But why do these gaps in communication constantly get filled in by reports describing worst case scenarios and predictions of failure?

There are plenty of folks who enjoy making dire forecasts about the future. If that's your thing, go for it. As for me, I'd rather spend my free time playing something on PS5. It seems like more fun.

@GamingVeteran - "When did everyone suddenly stop wanting to support the developers of video games by buying them?" - THAT is a truly excellent question that I wish more people would ask, but so far I'm getting a lot of excuses. People seemingly expect 5-Star Restaurant prepared meals for the same price one would pay for a Happy Meal.

Short term xbox is ahead. They've been doing good recently. Overall PlayStation is definitely still ahead though they do need to step it up. Maybe PS+ and PS Now the same service, buy Bluepoint, and be more open about what they are doing.

Its not losing, its just ms has had more positive press lately with acquisitions and game pass,but when you're bottom its hard to go anywhere else but up,I dont think Sony has got complacent and looking at their history they usually hit back with a doozy, but sony need some positive press,maybe make a statement on days gone 2 and the tlou remake ,as all the media outlets are reporting rumours as fact.

Sony need to announce something around E3 time as 2 of their biggest games for me coming up are the Bethesda ones. We need some solid info on their exclusives or Xbox with Game Pass is starting to get bigger in that rearview mirror.

@Waffles12415 I don't really see how xbox is ahead they haven't done anything apart from buy a studio ,and game pass is just as lacklustre as its always been in my opinion

I have an xbox, let me know when they actually release a game than we can talk.............

@Amnesiac if your top dog the media love pulling you down,even its, erm,so called fansites

I get Sony's reluctance to dive headlong into the subscription model because that slope is very slippery and expensive. (I truly dont think Phil Spencer appreciates what a comfy position he's in to spend so much of his parent company's money.) But I have to assume they're working on a decent answer to gamepass at this point, something that works in their business model.

But if they are moving more of their focus to big AAA games, its only because that's what their market responds to. This is still a two way street after all.

But more than anything, this is just what happens when things get too quiet. Bad press gets out and starts to snowball. Most of games media has turned against Sony at this point, and even constructive criticism tends to meld into the negativity (ahem) but Sony can be pretty good at turning the tide of the discussion with one well timed news dump.

We're only a third of the way through the year. I'm going to reserve getting too judgemental for now.

Thing is Gamepass isn't that good, how many are genuinely playing baseball and outriders, basically none, and yes it's a $60 game but how many were gonna actually pay $60 for Outriders? I want to play it but not at full price, and with 0 exclusives or big titles I don't see it being a good deal at all, and then factor in, and how many people don't have a massive backlog, Gamepass is like that backlog, it looks like a lot but you'll never play most, so end of the day $180 is a lot for what you actually enjoy

@velio84 exactly ,ms still hasn't released a great xbox exclusive in about 10 years

If this is Sony "loosing ground"... I would love to see what people think is a "runaway success"

This all the same as CrossPlay bad press. Most not jumping ship for any of this.

That said, I have Game Pass Ultimate (for PC GamePass and Xcloud) just like I take every Free game EPIC Game Store gives out.

If they want to subsidize games for us, take it!

@Subsided this is my worry with gamepass and xbox studios, microsoft won't give them unlimited funds to make great multi million dollar exclusives with all those acquisitions and buy 3rd party games for game pass,one is going to suffer.

Xb losing; ps losing.
I dont care, because the gamers will come out as winners.
Competition breeds gamesmanship.
Being on top, with no competition, leads to stagnation.

@wiiware like another poster said just combine ps plus with ps now and then start putting all their old titles gradually on ps now 10 new titles a month with a mix of ps1 to ps5, they would make a killing

@vapidwolf i mean if you took the past year with both companies at even ground. Xbox got Bethesda and had a bunch of their games updated and added to gamepass, got a PS game on gamepass, theyve announced a bunch of new games for the near future, and they are rumored to be getting the next Kojima game.

Playstation charged full price for their game when it was free(ish) on xbox, theyve had studios shut down, Days Gone 2 was denied, and they’re overall pretty quiet. There probably more im forgetting but you get my point.

If you took all of last generation and included it with this generation then yes PlayStation is definitely still ahead but they need to do something to convince people to stick with them. A lot of people are making decisions on what console the will own over the next 6+ years so this is a bad time for PlayStation to let xbox look better to the average consumer.

@Subsided no one is paying full retail for gamepass. Just like no one is paying full price for ps+. There are deals everywhere. So for me, $90 is awesome for a year of gpu service. If I play outriders(which I am) and the show, it just paid for itself. Just like $33 a year for ps+ is awesome.

Ps4 games going to pc is a horrible moves.sony need to buy more studios.there i fixed it for you pushsquare.word up son

Right now Sony are still on top but I'm getting concerned about their plans going forward. Less new IPs, more sequels and remakes and within 2-3 years Xbox will be releasing more 'exclusive' content available day one via a subscription service.

The gap has closed and within a few years Sony could be trailing the MS GP service. The solution is more complex than their just providing PS gamers with a GP equivalent. We need to hear some good things from Sony and as soon as possible. I prefer to play on PS but I owned a 360 so maybe I need to consider a Series X over a PS5 as my next console.

@vapidwolf well, considering gpu has made 100s of millions already, and ms just signed a $21b deal with the US military, I'm sure they good on funds.

Only reason its scalpers . this all will sort itself when us gamers get our playstation 5. yes ive sll the accessories but no playstation 5 lol. and the future is bright on game pass! psn and psnow should be wrapped up in one if sony wants to keep an interest with gamers this gen. i still want my ps5 dang it lol

@PhhhCough that's untrue though, you and I aren't paying full price for Gamepass but it's easy to forget the majority of people don't pay attention to online gaming websites and deals, the majority of people just click on "Gamepass" and hit Subscribe

I have PC Gamepass and ya it's much better at what I managed to pay for it but it's absolutely not what millions of subscribers are paying

@nicc83 THANK YOU.

@QueenOfHearts38 I have a series x and play it everyday and love it.

@kyleforrester87 This is exactly where I am too. I have been a PS guy since PS1, and I always will be.

But for the first time ever, mainly driven by the Bethesda et al acquisition, I am considering also adding an Xbox. If Microsoft is making similar in roads with long time PS fans, it shows how well recent moves are going for them.

A few months ago, I would not have even considered ever adding an Xbox to the mix.

I bought a switch and until recently it was my only console but got mad of all the weird decision. Decided to get back to Sony because of all the thing that I missed with the PS4 but I’ll be honest while I do enjoy the PS4 content I’m starting to have some doubt about the future... To me me it’s not so much what Xbox is doing the problem, instead it’s what Sony is not doing, report of Kojima working with Xbox seems like a lost to me, closure of Japan studio too, a lot of hit and miss on their side for me but nonetheless some really good hit. Finally while I’ve yet to try days gone, and I doubt it for me, report of another Last of Us remake just seems like a bad use of resources/time and money (unless they have some magical way to just import it in last of us 2 engine and it doesn’t really take place of other project), just finished left behind remaster this week and it aged really well we don’t need the same game remade for 3 back to back generations...

They need more studios/bigger teams/exclusives and IP because with Bethesda Xbox will have a ton of project, Sony need fresh blood too, I really like naughty dog and company but at the end of the day while you make much deserved sequel, there’s no new thing to fallback on if momentum is lost on one of those franchise.

@Josieppe I was one of the few ones that received the email from Sony at launch to buy one if I wanted it right then, but still didn't pull the trigger. Now almost 6 months later and seeing the direction there heading I have zero drive to want one in the foreseeable future. Like you said ill set back and keep playing PS4 (almost everything coming to PS5 is coming to PS4 anyways) and see what comes to be and make a decision in a few years.

Sony is still doing great. Xbox is finally doing some great things. In that sense, Xbox is “gaining ground”. Xbox offers tremendous value with GPU and their massive number of studios, but they still won’t sell more consoles than PS. Nothing wrong with having two quality consoles to play.

Wow, come on Push Square, so many negative pieces recently that are based on rumor and conjecture.
Look at the games (and the facts rather then the internet rumor storm) and I think we can see that Playstation is doing fine.

yay the Daily Xbox news on a PlayStation website you guy should just go MP clearly what you want

@Futureshark this whole site has become so PlayStation negative & Xbox positive daily. becoming a joke IMO

Can't say one brand is gaining or losing ground when both Sony and MS are still having trouble providing stores with PS5 and Series X/S units.

There's a positive momentum with Microsoft at the moment. It will be interesting to see what price they will be charging for their first party games when they eventually get one actually out for the new system.

Loving all the publicity that xbox and game pass are getting on a playstation website...almost as much as i'm enjoying pushsquare winding up all the usual suspects again...

@2cents Exactly right.

@Alpha_Pulse sorry but given how much money sony/microsoft/nintendo make when they sell a huge game, I don't see why the price increase for sony is warranted. To equate this price rise as being essential to leverage improved technology is not accurate and that is one of the most often used excuses for this price rise. People may be willing to pay more for certain games but equally many people are willing to pay scalpers prices for new hardware. However, the universal price rise for first party content changes the whole feel around news about how new games are being received.

Microsoft is just learning from their mistakes. Competition is brings the best out of everyone. The gamers will be the winners.

@Adge you think Gamepass can sustain the industry?

Microsoft's strategy this generation is to throw money at it and hope they can catch up to Sony. It's a strategy that only they can employ, with all the money they have at their disposal. It's true that competition is good but outright buying up properties left and right and bullying your way to the top with money is also not the answer. That doesn't help anyone. It doesn't breed competition. Even still, despite the aggressive plays by Microsoft and all the negative press game journalists I don't think this will last.

Gamepass is just not sustainable as it is now and I can see (another) price hike sooner rather than later. Microsoft is trying to hook as many players as it can now, so that it can raise the price higher later and charge that healthy audience they amassed. There's money to be made in subscription services and I guarantee Microsoft will take advantage of it.

@kyleforrester87 Agreed on all counts. I tend to have a Nintendo console in addition to PS. I have a Switch right now, but I haven’t used it in months because getting it away from my kids is hard. 😃

I am not missing out on Starfield or Elder Scrolls, period. If that means an Xbox is finally brought into the fold, so be it.

@David187 to be fair that isn’t Push Square’s fault. Their just reiterating what’s happening in the games industry as a whole, and unfortunately it’s been mostly bad news and head scratchers from Sony. Some of which is out of their control but not all, and those they have control of deserved to be called out.

@nessisonett but you can't have god of war level games if we pay $1 a month. Microsoft is yet to prove this. Microsoft can't always drop 100m+ bag for each publisher for each game to be day 1 on gp.

@LiterallyDoNotCare I don’t think production value directly equates to game quality though. Plenty of my favourite games were developed on a shoestring budget by amateurs.

Playstation is still on top, however Xbox is getting traction that even Sony's most loyal fanbase can't help but notice what the competition is doing.

I'm going to laugh when Sony goes full streaming too and then everyone starts complaining when the industry goes full live service mode, games come with less content overall, and instead of sequels you get endless "seasons". You people want to pay $15 a month to rent games fine, I'd rather wait for a sale and actually own the game if it isn't worth the full asking price. This will absolutely effect game budgets and how games are made overall. Just think of the quality of Netflix vs big Hollywood movies.

@2cents $70 isn't that much for something that can easily provide hundreds of hours of fun, look how much movies cost these days if you want to own the 4k blu ray...

I've already had a few hundred hours out if Nioh 2 remaster.

@nessisonett cuphead is quality. god of war is quality, but one moves consoles and the other doesn't. That's what Jim is thinking right now.

They seem to fill smaller games with 2nd and 3rd party studios, but none of those games are making me buy the ps5. Just the big block buster games.

I don't like indies, with exceptions.

@get2sammyb
Do you have a XBox and game pass subscription? I don't understand what has made Game pass so exciting all of a sudden. Is it a Sports game that clearly MLB forced Sony to put on XBox, Free games day one, or A great game showing up on PS-Now knowing most probably most don't have both Now and Plus. I will argue PS Plus titles given are far above anything XBox has done so far and at 1third the price per year!

I have continued to look at Xbox and Game Pass so far I still have not bought into Xbox or Game Pass. It feels like I am seeing the words XBox more than the name PlayStation!

@Royalblues Please enlighten me on all these great diverse games MS made last generation? Their only major success that isn't the same ***** they always pump out was Sea of Thieves.

@mucc That wouldn't happen. Sony earns more money in selling digital and physical games. The only exclusive games they added permanently on PSNow are HZD, Infamous and TLOU (PS3). That's how stingy they are with their exclusive games.

@LiterallyDoNotCare I don’t really give a monkey’s arsehole what sells consoles though. If I see quality then I’ll play it.

@BrainHacker It's all but officially confirmed they're going to do the same thing with their own sort of Gamepass.

@nessisonett You don't, but Jim does, and that's what we will get.

calm down. (saying calm down hasn't calmed down anyone, Ik.)

@mucc Officially confirmed? if it was officially confirmed, Sony would have promoted it across all media. I highly doubt that they will put their exclusive games on PSNow day one. They could add all PS4 exclusives games to their Gamepass equivalent but that's about it.

@BrainHacker I said all BUT officially confirmed. We have Ryan in November saying there's big news coming for PSnow and then David Jaffe saying they have a response to Gamepass. Put 2 and 2 together.

@get2sammyb How quickly we forget the 20 games bonus we got with PS5 and how well PlayStation Plus have been doing. Along with Free stay at home games.

Xbox is gaining ground, Sony isn't really losing ground. They both are offering something different upfront anyway. Some find the subscription model and backwards compatability Xbox offers appealing, others are more interested in Sony's strong first party output.

I plan to own a PS5 within a few years and I love my Series X, I really want to play Ratchet and the next proper Spider-Man game, as well as God of War Ragnarok, and know that if I plan to continue playing fighting games, PS5 is where to be.

At the same time, one of my most anticipated games this year with Psychonauts 2 is hitting gamepass day one and gamepass plus quick resume has really made the way I play games really dang convenient. Been flitting between Yakuza games, Octopath Traveller, and Prey and having a good time.

I think both provide something of tremendous value catered to different audiences with some overlap in people interested in both.

@kyleforrester87 "If you didn’t get to play Final Fantasy 7, Ocarina of Time AND Skies of Arcadia growing up, did you really live?!"

I agree with everything of this

I dont get all the doom and gloom, sure Microsoft is owning the airwaves right now, but when it comes down to what matters which is games, Playstation is miles ahead. In the past year we've had Last of Us II, Ghists of Tsushima, Miles Morales, Demon Souks, Astro etc.., and what has xbox put out to compete in that time, nothing. They still havent put out a massive must own game for xbox series yet, and we have several, and with Returnal and Ratchet coming over the next few months we will be golden. Microsoft needs to make these moves, not to get ahead of Sony but just to catch up. Competition is good for everyone. Next Sony press conference i guarantee all will be forgiven

@mucc Jim Ryan did said that there will be upcoming news, but he also mention that they already have a subscription service which is PSNow and David Jaffe is not working on Sony anymore. I would take everything with a grain of salt. if they would make a Gamepass equivalent then that would be great for gamers who are budget conscious.

@Royalblues So your argument is that people wrongly crap on MS for only putting out the same games and that they have put out more diverse games than Playstation, then you list Forza, Halo, and Gears as these games. Bravo. I'm not saying they haven't put out any decent games, but to argue their last gen offering was even remotely as diverse or as good as Sony's is laughable.

Like the article itself just admitted, an audience is not limited to a fandom. And you'll be surprised, but normal people outside the fan asylums don't quite buy games and consoles to seek "respect" or "loyalty" - they buy games and consoles to entertain themselves. If Sony actually loses to XBox this gen, it won't be a battle of reputations, it'll be on the perennial battlefield of sufficiently marketed offer and sufficiently financed demand.

Sony lost me as a customer for their 9th gen, for instance, but I've never needed any vitriol to justify it - I'm simply not in a position to make satisfactory use of their 9th gen products. Granted, the same applies to XBox - frankly, the only Microsoft-related thing I care for is them hopefully sticking to their Bethesda policy statement verbatim so that GamePass doesn't block the possibility of porting older stuff like Dishonored to Switch. And that's the end of the story, completely unrelated to either company's "reputation" in my eyes. They are businesses, I'm a consumer. They don't exist to pamper me over their own interests, I don't exist to worship them (many a rabid fanhead believe even sane adherence to the age-old take-it-or-leave-it to be "blind worship", but those are rabid fanheads for you), and while I never mind ending up "pampered" here and there, I never take it for granted... or for a marital contract of any sort between us. I just act and adjust accordingly to whether I have enough personal motivation to invest in their offers or not.

As for "response to GamePass"... I'd have to see it to form an opinion. Pseudoglobal services like PS Now don't enthuse me by default, neither do pure streaming services if they don't involve physical buttons and don't stick to the video resolutions my phone hotspot can stomach. And the rotation aspect of the likes of GamePass isn't a big selling point for me either - paying for limited access to games could come to dictate your own backlog schedules, something I could supposedly deal with but am in no hurry to HAVE to deal with. PS+ and Nintendo's CGC are more up my alley in that regard.

Sony was always going to lose some ground with the PS5. Last generation wasn't normal, and Sony benefitted dramatically from Nintendo and Microsoft tripping over their own feet for years. Sony's competition is healthy again and, yes, that's going to lead to a situation where Sony doesn't swallow the industry whole. And that's a good thing, honestly.

Also worth mentioning that Sony isn't going to suffer in the short-term. Their momentum coming off of PS4 is so great that they can probably surf it through most of the generation and still do incredibly well with PS5.

With that said, it's dangerous to the brand in the long-term to alienate long-time fans and/or underestimate the competition. Sony has been making moves these last few years that'll reduce the diversity of software support on their systems, and $70 for first-party games just looks awful next to Microsoft's stuff being free on day one with a GamePass sub. Combine that with the way talent has been leaving Sony and/or not been allowed to grow their own properties (as is apparently the case with Days Gone), Microsoft's unprecedented spending spree on their first-party portfolio, Sony's total lack of transparency and mistreatment of developers making games for legacy systems, etc. and I do think there's reason to be a bit concerned about Sony's role in the industry's future.

It's almost impossible for Sony to hurt itself as dramatically as Microsoft, and particularly Mattrick, hurt the Xbox brand during the reveal of the Xbox One, but these paper cuts are adding up.

Muggles don't care, of course, but, as has been said in the article, perceptions by enthusiasts filter to influencers, and influencers filter those perceptions to the general public.

@Vivisapprentice I agree. the bad PR that Sony is experiencing right now will be forgotten once they release the gameplay videos of God of War Ragnarok and HFW. However, MS will stay aggressive. They have Indiana Jones, Starfield, Hellblade 2 and the rumored Kojima project in the works. 23 Studios and all Xbox exclusive games available day one on Gamepass. it looks good on paper right now.

If you’d rather pay 10-15 bucks a month for access to games on day one instead of $70 per game, you don’t love video games. Wise words of @JustPlainLoco

@BrainHacker not mad at Xbox good for the people who have one & about time they had a bit of positive news.

I come here for Playstation news you can get Xbox news on any Multiplatfom website. I'm starting to find it tacky how this site is supposed to be one thing but constantly uses Xbox to .... stir.

@gherd Why did it sounded like what a cult leader would say? LMAO

simply saying sony is still on top is nothing more than years of biases. I have purchased every sony system and even my head isnt that deep in the sand to ignore the progress microsoft is making.

If i purchased a current gen console today it would be an XBox X. So to me Sony has lost ground. The reasons are size, looks, and features. Exclusives are not an issue as almost all of the games i play are multiplats. However the lopsided stick placements on the MS controller may be an issue for me as i was born with symmetrical hands.

Overall i believe that when compared to 5 months after release last gen that MS has moved up a notch or two while Sony has dropped a notch or two this gen. Those notches probably mean more to some while less to others. To me right now those notches mean enough for me to dump Sony for MS this gen.

@David187 it started with MLB the Show and then it snowballed to PSNow/PS+ comparison to Gamepass. I guess some articles are more suited in a forum discussion.

@BrainHacker I know right, it’s weird af logic. A consumer purchases a product because they get some benefit out of it. I care about the product being good and the price, not “supporting” some random corporation. It’s just a ***** quasi-moral attempt to basically say “if you don’t like being bilked by an outmoded distribution model you’re not a real fan.”

Yeah I think this is just a narrative being pushed because there’s very little actual gaming news happening right now because of covid and arrogant Sony who hates Japanese puppies that play classic PlayStation games let’s sports league that’s rocketing into obscurity release game on rival platforms rental service because pre-orders on that system were abysmal gets the clicks.

then there’s the whole problem with game pass coverage always feeling like it’s being written by Microsoft PR department, Microsoft hasn’t released a major first party console exclusive in over two ***** years but every article I read makes sure to point out that their first party games launch day and date.

oh don’t forget to download all the play at home games they’re really good and free, actually free.

P.S Jim Ryan hates your grandma.

My only problem is the U.K game pricing. If it wasn't for the unnecessary greed, i'd be loving my ps5.

Put Mark Cerny in charge. He's a proper gamer and actively plays games in the business that he's working in. It becomes painfully obvious when games companies are run by people who don't play games.
Jim Ryan and Sony is an unfortunate example of this....

Last generation, Microsoft built a console with the goal of appeasing developers who thought they were losing money to the secondary market (used games) to help them milk us for every penny, and it didn't go well for them.

This generation, Microsoft is pushing developers to provide free upgrades to Series X|S versions, automating game save transfers, making sure you're playing the Series X|S version of multi-generation games, and hitting backwards compatibility out of the park with automated performance improvements for old titles - none of that is about Game Pass, and all are huge wins compared to Playstation.

Meanwhile, Sony is focused on helping developers milk more money out of upgrades to PS5-editions of games and higher default pricing. Sound familiar?

PS5's controller is a HUGE upgrade, especially compared to Microsoft's uninspired tweaks. And the faster drive may eventually prove to be a game-changer, if developers make games (and game engines) FOR it that simply aren't possible with even Microsoft's SSD. But for now, MS is winning in ways that Game Pass is only drawing attention away from - though in years to come, the backwards-compatibility bonus will start shrinking in importance, somewhat.

@gherd We play videogames to entertain ourselves and not because we want to pledge our loyalty to these corporations. If Sony and MS could get away with charging us $100 per games they would and the fanboys will still find a way to defend this absurd company practices. Fanboy mentality comes first before logic.

@NoCode23 Love that line - "born with symmetrical hands."

It drives me nuts - but not so much for the stick placement, as I get used to that. I have to stop and think which system I'm on every time I'm prompted to press X, because they both have an X and it's a different button on each. It drives me crazy.

That, and Microsoft's icon for what I think of as L3/R3 confuses the heck out of me every time I see it for the first time in a gaming session.

@GamingFan4Lyf "Also, here we go with no folders again?! Come on Sony, really? PS3 had folders, PS4 has folders. Seriously, stop. Just make it a standard with every system you make from here on out."

Yeah, that drives me NUTS. PS4 didn't have folders for a year or two after it came out, and I hated it. Yet here we go AGAIN.

Sony can't even get the list of all the games I own to remember how I want to sort it. C'mon, man!

We're approaching a half-year after the PS5 release, and...where's VRR? Where's internal storage support? When are they delivering on the features that were printed on the box? Sony, you promised - in writing - and you haven't delivered yet. When?

Not interest in buying an Xbox at all, at the same time, I'm not really feeling the need to get a PS5 at the moment either, even if it was possible to find one.

Sony needs to respond. They continue to sit ldly by while Xbox grabs all the headlines, they did this during the lead up to the launch and its happening again. As far as I know they don't have any scheduled shows and no e3 presence once again amd with all this negative feedback lately, they need something to regain the publics attention in a more positive way.

The teardown of Japan studio, the $70 price tag on all first party games, and the overall lack of Information has, I assume, placed some doubt in would be Playstation 5 adopters. Hopefully all of this will blow over and Sony will announce something that makes us wonder why we were even worried to begin with.

@The_Real_JMK That crap yearly baseball game you mentioned is created and developed by Sony btw LMAO!!!

Is XBox gaining ground? Certainly, because of the Zenimax deal they now have exclusives to look forward to in a few years time.
Gamepass though? I'm still unconvinced it's sustainable and can Sony eat that sort of a loss? I don't think they can respond beyond what they're already doing with the PS+ collection, Play at Home initiative and making PS+ better with their game choices.
At the end of the day, if you want to play the new God of War/The Last of Us/ Ghost of Tsushima etc you need to own a PS5. The worst thing Sony could do is start launching these games elsewhere.

It's... weird.

PR-wise, Sony has been doing some stupid stuff. Their decision to not put PS1/PS2/PSP/PS Vita TV games on the PS5 makes no sense to me. It would generate some money and at a love of good will for little work.

The focus on blockbusters seems as odds with the reality of the launch and first year line up which has a lot of high quality niche titles and also Destruction All Stars I guess.

The PS5 also seems to be outselling the XSX/S by almost two to one on a weekly basis. VGChartz isn't perfect, but still an alarming ratio.

And Sony is choosing to skip E3 again so they are missing another opportunity to change the narrative.

Hopefully, they can fix some of their stupid PR mistakes soon.

Have both PS5 and Series X and have to say, having upgraded from a One X, that the Series X is the most boring console launch EVER. I do like the design and improvements (games look great on my LG CX) and Gamepass is great but everything on Gamepass was perfectlty playable on my One X. Don't regret upgrading but it never felt exciting in the slightest. PS5 on the other hand with the haptics/triggers and exclusives felt genuinley exciting. I had more fun with AstroBot on PS5 than any new game on Series X. PS Plus/Now both need a few tweaks here and there but I don't think I want a full Gamepass service on PS5. Sony still has some massive exclusives that most people are more than willing to pay full price for so I dont think they need to follow the Microsoft route of releasing every first party game on their subscription service.

It’s a big blue ocean. The world is big enough for two companies. Or three. Or four.

Sony is undeniably falling behind right now. While I don't believe that Sony needs a direct response to Game Pass in terms of a service, they do need to try to get back to what made them successful in the first place, quality games. The acquisition of Bethesda speaks volumes about Microsoft's approach to the future, and that approach could be a renewed focus on high quality games. Just this week news broke that Hideo Kojima is in talks with Xbox about his next game. While still far from confirmed, even the speculation that Kojima might make a game for Xbox and potentially not for Sony would have been unthinkable not long ago.

The release of the PS5 as the worst console launch I've seen since PS3. Almost six months into the life of the PS5 the system only has one game - Demon's Souls. All the rest of the games are PS4 games that can be played on PS5, sometimes with slightly better graphics or framerate. I'm old enough to remember the twilight of Atari and the birth of the NES, and to be honest, Sony's current approach reminds me of Atari's at the end of their reign. For those who may now know the history, Atari died in large part because they had little to no licensing requirements to make games for the system, so that anyone who wanted could make a game for it. This resulted in an ocean of terrible, low budget games that no one wanted to play. In the late 80s, Nintendo launched the NES with the idea that they would tightly control licensing and focus on quality over quantity. The result was iconic franchises that are still making Nintendo money today and the end of Atari.

A brief perusal of the Playstation store today looks not unlike the Atari section of the gaming wall in the late 80s. Endless amounts of free to play games, games made for mobile but adapted to PS5, and "indie games" which are often the same type of low budget games that tanked Atari, but with a new hipster title attached to them. These games are not next gen games of the type PS5 was designed to handle, and they do not provide adequate draw to spend $500 on a home console. If people want to play mobile games, play them on a Switch. Sony will never compete with Nintendo when it comes to cute cartoon games for kids, so I suggest they not try. Sony once knew this in 1996 when they released the first Playstation. They did so under the thinking that their market share would be games for people in their twenties. The idea was that everyone wants to be in this age group. Kids want to do what older people are doing so they will buy it, and older people who wish they were still at that age would buy these games too. The idea worked and Playstation carved out its own part of the market based on a slightly older core audience. This model carried them for twenty plus years. But today's percentage of made for switch games that dominate the Playstation store does not bode well for the future of Playstation.

I would urge Sony not to chase Game Pass and the subscription model. That's not what should scare them about Xbox's rise. What should is the Bethesda acquisition, Xbox's increasing overtures with top developers previously loyal to Sony, and above all, the fact they they only have one game for their new next gen system. I have owned every playstation system from the start and it has long been my favorite console brand, but if they don't realize the mistakes being made and change course soon, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually go the way of Atari.

@JustPlainLoco kudos man

Sony’s big weapon against game pass is compelling exclusives but due to the pandemic they are few and far between.

Unfortunately once Sony’s bug guns start rolling in Microsoft will have their own new generation of first party exclusives to counter too.

Hopefully this means this generation will be more like the Xbox 360 vs the PS3.

I think the reality paints a different picture than a vocal minority online. The Xbox series consoles are actually selling at a slightly lower pace than last gens Xbox One.

Meanwhile the PS5 has already taken a significant lead and is on track to sell 14.8 million consoles by the end of the fiscal year according to Sony.

Playstations total annual revenue of $25 billion is more than Nintendo’s and Xbox’s combined; they are the gaming juggernaut that needs competition to step up. It’s good that Xbox is trying hard with Gamepass as it will only serve to make Playstation compete harder as well to retain its player base.

We’re 6 months into the generation and Xbox has yet to release any meaningful exclusive game while the PS5 has already had Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls with Returnal and Ratchet & Clank around the corner. Can anyone tell me the exact date that Xbox gets a significant first-party exclusive for their new console?

PS5 owners should be happy Microsoft is actually competing this generation, Sony will be forced to respond and it will be good for PS5 owners.

Sony does need to compete with gamepass on some level, eventually parents will figure out the value and get sick of paying for $70 games and give their kids an S with a subscription. I don’t know why Microsoft isn’t pounding the airwaves with commercials targeting this.

Sony also needs expansion storage, for everyone saying “you can only play one at a time” you have someone like me who would rather have their game library at the ready and will pay a premium for it. Right now people like me are getting 3rd party on series X because Microsoft has an expansion solution.

Sony swung for the fences with exclusives on PS4 and Microsoft still has more ground to cover even after several counters, Sony needs to respond to keep the lead like they did to have PS3 catch up with 360.

While there are a lot of bad news from Sony lately, I don't think it's as bad as the PS3 era. I chose "Kind of, PlayStation's still on top but Xbox is doing well". Microsoft may have failed the XBone but the Series X is off to a good start. Personally, I don't think that Sony needs a direct response to Game Pass and just do what they were good at, make quality exclusive games. I mean, Nintendo doesn't have their own response to Game Pass but it's doing great this generation despite being in the middle of the newer gen consoles because of their exclusive libraries.

Losing ground? No, not yet, and they likely won't any time soon.

That said, if they keep heading down the road they seem to be going down, they very well could eventually.

The biggest complaint against Xbox for years was their lack of big, exclusive first-party titles. They had Halo and Gears of War and...that's about it. Obviously Sony has more than just two big tentpoles, but between them restructuring and shuttering Studio Japan, killing off store services for the PS3/PSP/Vita, and all the news today of them narrowing their focus down to only the biggest, safest, most bankable titles in their portfolio, they could very well find themselves in the same situation MS found themselves in for multiple console cycles.

Sony seems to either have forgotten that the whole reason they blew up in the first place, why people are so hardcore into Playstation as a brand, is because they used to be weird and experimental and more than willing to take big risks. Whereas Sega and Microsoft had a couple of genres covered, Playstation had a wonderful spread of all that gaming had to offer. No matter your preferred genre, there was something there for you, and it feels like they're starting to lose that experimental side, which super sucks.

@Westernwolf4

Amen, I posted it before, Starfield will be the most expensive game I've ever bought at $560.00.

I will buy a Bethes-Box.

@Kidfried Solid Rant! B+

I feel like I am in this interesting (and frustrating) position where I don't like where the entire industry is going. None of the big 3 are doing anything I am particularly happy with. Xbox seem intent on putting all of their effort into Game Pass and streaming which I don't like as I have never liked subscription services and from an ownership perspective, cloud is scary to me.

On the otherhand, Sony are charging £450 for a console where quite a significant portion of it's library for the time being will also be available on PS4, not to mention, games costing £70. Heck I frown at paying £50 for a new game especially if I am not sure if I am going to like it. Sure, PS5 might play those games better but eh, not enough for me to want to buy right now.

On the subject of game prices, I normally only pay full price for Nintendo games, but from my perspective, they seem to be obsessed with bringing the back catalogue from the Wii U and 3DS to the Switch. This is fine for me until I realise they are charging full price for minimal improvements on games that I played within the last decade, in what seems to be in the absence of new games.

E3 got reconfirmed this week, but I am honestly not excited, which I find strange. I want to like what I see and hear, and some games planned for the future sound great, but they are so far in the future it is difficult to be excited for.

I realise these are all personal problems on my end, and I don't think I can fairly say which company is doing better right now. All I know is that Sony doing a game passesque service does not interest me one bit. Sure, the potential value might be better than buying my games indivudually but I do prefer tangible games than hoping it will forever remain in a subscription library.

This video really does a good job of summing up my frustrations.

https://youtu.be/3Jb-5uGNqw8

@LordSteev I am right there with you!

Sony need to step up their game, with the Bethesda games seemingly being console exclusive to Xbox I will need a serious reason to buy and use a PS5

I get the feeling we will be getting a smattering of news from Sony shortly, starting with next week's RE Village showcase - files for the new demo have already been found to have been uploaded to PSN.

They have been tending on Twitter for at least the last 48 hours, and none of the coverage is good. They will want to start changing perceptions. It would be good business sense to do some talking and smooth things over. A state of play for returnal will probably get announced.

That said, the ad doing the rounds for a new head of mobile to join playstation studios to convert Sony's most successful franchises to mobile is unlikely to land well..

With all the great ps plus games we have gotten since the PS5 launch, no one should complain about what we have and will be getting. Sony has too many great games coming not to continue winning. They cant just sit back and win but they just need to continue plugging along.

As always from Robert - it's a great article and I'm glad the writer's aren't too fanboyish to publish articles like these. Although as usual the options could've been distilled into three options The obvious answer is yes of course. Why can't I play my games on my phone like Xbox players can? The only reason is stubbornness. Why can't I play older games that I can prove I've bought? Stubbornness.

@BowTiesAreCool
Remote Play allows you to play PS4 games on your phone. And I understand the backwards compatibility argument, but in all honesty, are you still playing games that released 5, 10, 15 years ago? Probably not. Is it a talking point? Sure. Does it really matter? Not to 98.2% of people buying a console. They want to be able to play the games they recently bought...last gen games. And they can on both systems.

They should be more worried about Nintendo tbh.

Beyond pricing, availability, drift issues, and future business models for both companies, I currently have no interest in purchasing either machine as neither have any worthwhile games now, and the near future doesn’t look better either.

It's funny they still dominate the console wars and they can't make the supply, which I think is the only reason Ms is close
Once sony get the supply under control, a little work on their subscription services MS will be a twinkle in the background...again
Still only first year of new console generation, just wait til sony start knocking out keystone Triple A games again MS will fall further behind with some halo or forza reiteration🤣🤣
OK they have bethesda, we lose fallout and elder scrolls it won't stay exclusive forever would be silly the amount of money lost would be insane, maybe one year exclusive.

Competition can only be good for us gamers, if some good titles start landing on the Xbrick I will get a Series X to go with the PS5.... but at the moment happy how it is

@RBMango depressing?

Jesus. Some of y'all seriously need to reconsider your life. It's just gaming.

Im still not able too get a PS5 but when i get a one i hope i have a lot of cash around because i want too play every exclusive this new generation are offering. For me personally im not really into this Doom and gloom it probably generates a lot of clicks though. Im at this site a while now and its the first time i started using the addblocker for the amount of Xbox adds im getting shoved in my face.

Personally I don’t think Sony has to hit the panic button just yet. It’s early days and the PS5 has made a great start. It’s just that this time around, so has MS and for me they are currently setting the standard in several areas. Which is good! It would be boring if the same companies were always in 1st/2nd/3rd, and I’m glad that MS are doing their best to make me want an Xbox this time around. I’ll pick one up eventually at this rate, whereas I had no reason to get an Xbox One.

My only “concern” really is that Sony will miss out on some amazing indie titles, as that’s where so much exciting work is being done and Xbox seems to be really chasing these devs for exclusives. But hey, if it keeps going that way then I’ll just grab a series x to go alongside my PS5.

The AAA big hitters will keep growing over time, I’ve no doubt of that. The MLB deal and Last of Us remake aren’t as big a deal as people are making out, IMO.

All the 'bad news' reminds me of 2014 with ND and people here were insulting them with no moderation from the site, Drive Club, Santa's Monica new SF IP that never was announced but the 'bad news' told them was cancelled, Shawn Layden awful long speech that everybody hated but now he is someone a hero....
Deja Vu!
Only thing I really feel is crap is I can't shake the feeling TLOU remake (IF REAL) is ND idea from the start with his obsession of trying to deconstruct the game story.

Bit of Lord haw haw click baiting going on here what what!

Question how long will it take Microsoft to recoup the cost of buying Bethesda through xbox????

The answer will show many years and not forgetting they are already miles behind in sales compared to ps5.

So how do you reckon Sony are behind, or losing ground with another exclusive launching this month then R&C and later horizon forbidden west.

I don't see any evidence of xbox gaining ground as the strategys are different Microsoft want to be the Netflix of games Sony want to be the Samsung

@David187
I agree. I'm convinced PushSquare and PureXbox (I'm not completely sure of the name) are going to merge at some point and its a shame because the comments are going to be a sht show everyday with keyboard warriors pretending they are not.
We are already getting hit alternate accounts trying to "cancel' our opinions because they don't like what we like. Be aware of provocations.

@TwomanybuttonS Yeah i agree with you on the anti Sony narrative out there. I was watching a YouTuber yesterday slating Sony's line up due to the delay of Deathloop as being barren - its like, we had Astrobot, Demons Souls, Miles Morales, Sackboy on launch, and since we have had destruction allstars, returnal is about to drop and then we have Ratchet. Its actually a pretty good first party output for a new console - and that's before the 3rd party stuff. I certainly havent been stuck for things to play.

Coming off the back of a year where we got TLOU2, Dreams, Iron Man, Ghost of Tsushima (and then 3rd party exclusoves like FF7 remake, Persona 5 Royal, Nioh 2 etc etc) - arguing that Sony has been poor on the games front is dishonest. And i cant work out why that narrative has been allowed to grow.

Their big problem stems from the fact that Sony is benefitting now from deals cut years ago. My worry is how the current aura around Playstation will affect them 2, 3, 4 years down the line. I hope its not too late to change course, because the more developers agree to develop exclusively for Microsoft, the harder it becomes for Playstation to thrive

After reding rhat the last of us remake gets the green light but days gone 2 is dead. Its clear sonys struggling to understand.

@JJ2 hmm. I think TLOU remake if real would simply be an attempt to capitalise on the assumed (but not guaranteed) hype and success of the TV show.

@get2sammyb perfectly articulated!

To be honest, this year isn't looking great for either Sony or MS and that's due to Covid. Delays, delays, delays, these haven't gone away.

R&C will be out this year and Returnal but I sincerely doubt that Horizon Forbidden West will be released in 2021. Xbox will try and push Halo our the door by year's end but that seems to be it, their slate of new games isn't exactly overwhelming.

Next year will be a bloodbath but what is done over the next few months could decide who wins that battle. Sony need to do more for the retro gamers, heck they need to upgrade some PS4 titles first like HZD and The Last of Us Part II!

I'm happyish with Plus, not interested in Now, would I be open to some sort of combination of the two? Maybe, as long as it's optional only and gives me the choice of keeping things as they are. It may sound unfair but we need to hear and see things from Sony that blow us away this summer, that give us reasons to believe that the PS5 generation will be as compelling as the last. Right now it seems the tide has turned in MS's favour but who knows, maybe Starfield is just Fallout 76 in space. Perhaps TES 6 is going to be a GaaS title with a minimal single player campaign. Everyone seems to be assuming both games will be must play without seeing a single second of gameplay from either. That's some marketing trick MS have pulled!

I think I will still look to buy a PS5 but unlike last gen I do feel that at some point I may need an Xbox as well. Not a PC though, prefer gaming on a console.

Next few months will be very interesting.

Xbox are listening to their customers where Playstation are not and that is why they are losing. Xbox have come into this gen to win it and Playstation have grown complacent due to their success last gen and Xbox have seized upon this and are killing it and they show no signs of slowing down.
£70 a game was a huge error and no one asked for a remake of a remaster so it will be interesting to see if Sony continue with their stupidity or start to listen to sense and turn things around before they become too far behind.

Game Pass will go 'UP' in price big time once Microsoft has everyone on it. I can't see why people can't see that for?!?! + Last year SONY bought out some AMAZING PS4/PS5 Exclusives and a few Exclusives are coming out in the next few months to and EVERYONE forgets that?!?! Hmm, oh and Microsoft haven't bought out an AMAZING game since er erm the Xbox 360's days?!?! So I don't get all this rubbish from the gaming media and people. Yes a few things are odd that SONY are doing at the moment but we are still getting the things we want this year and beyond. Well I am

Xbox is doing well at the moment.
I got the PS5 at launch and never really considered getting a series X or S. But now with having played the PS5 exclusives, I've run out of games I want to play.
Xbox's purchase of Bethesda impressed me as I like the Elder Scrolls and Fallout franchises. The game pass system works well (although not free) and makes the multiplats a lot cheaper.
So i have now got myself a series X and find myself using the Xbox more than the PS5, which I will be using mainly for the PS exclusives only. Until the PlayStation come up with a GamePass like alternative, this is likely to continue. Unless Xbox raise the price to an unacceptable level that is of course.

People are fools stating PS has nothing to fear from Xbox. For so so many reasons that opinion is flawed. You don't make money on a games console sale...
Sony made me get a Series X first this gen. I was thinking of a PS5 but Sony's actions make me less interested in that all the time I read the news coverage about them. As an older gamer I perhaps pay more attention to the script perhaps, and I seriously disliked Druckman's TLOU2 writing, that's another reason I went Xbox first.
This is relevant as really I like Uncharted, but it seems that's in a mess now with rumours of a remake being scrapped, and no plans for a new one but if their was a new one what woke political messages would Druckman write in it? That's a worry as I play a game to enjoy it, not worry about social affairs or someone else's political beliefs. That was a big turn off when I saw the studio behind one of my favourite games go down this road and brutally write out characters, with a stupid message that fell flat.

Sony is losing ground, Xbox are constantly in the news announcing great new games, making Game Pass better and better value, being interviewed all over the place by You Tubers to professional media, Phil Spencer AND his team working tirelessly to get their message out there.

And it's winning, Sony have hidden themselves away in the dark PS towers, closed big name studios, seemingly dropped their home market, moved all offices to the US laying hundreds of staff off, and seem to be utterly confused about their direction, we don't know what the direction is as nobody within Sony wants to tell you. They seem to want to pretend the customers don't exist? They are the most media shy I've ever known them to be. Ryan seems so uninterested in interviews or getting positive messages out there, and as for the rumours of The Sony board only being interested in huge AAA games scoring 90% on metacritic, that's an insult gamers and developers alike, and stifles creativity and growth.

I shall now wait until a PS5 slim is launched, see where Sony are then, before I make a purchasing decision, not that you can buy a PS5 now anyway. But so far they've lost me as a customer. Last gen I had all three consoles, still have my Switch and PS4 and Pro, but all I've been playing on is Xbox.
I should add here I don't like Spiderman or God Of War or Horizon or Become Human etc, I've played them all and to me they all felt the same as Uncharted but without the fun adventure.

I really dont think people expect to get brand new games for free or off a subscription. Sony just needs to improve ps-now by including as many ps1 ps2 and ps3 games as they can and make them all downloadable. Streaming games is so dead. If sony did the ps-now thing i think they would have nothing to fear

Sorry, I gave up on Xbox when I went through several RROD 360s. If not on my PS4/5, I'm gaming on my Switch or PC. I have no need for an Xbox. Also, it's a little weird that there is almost the exact same article/conversation/poll yesterday on IGN. Not sure who is copying who.

@Carl-G Microsoft are already making a profit on Game Pass, they've stated so, so why would they increase the price of it? That's not what they want and they won't do it unless absolutely necessary. Also you can still buy all the games on Game Pass at discounted prices. Or on physical media if it's available. Hardly the direction of a company that will 'massively increase the price' of Game Pass once everyone is in it.

This what I see in the UK and the shops.
Nintendo Switch re stocked regularly and selling very well.
Series S re stocked regularly and selling good.
Series X re stocked and selling very well.

PS5 were are the re stocks Sony, it seems to take you an age. The PS5 and you can tell was not designed with quality of life and I don’t think it was designed with manufacturing in mind as they really are struggling.

The "who is winning" conversation at the moment seems to be driven by the narrative as opposed to content delivery. Microsoft are talking a lot but Sony are making better first party games. If you want your console manufacturer to be very vocal then MS are winning in the space because they are marketing the hell out of gamepass and Xbox Studios. When it comes to first party content Sony is winning because they have proven time and time again that they have nurtured their development teams to allow them the freedom of creativity to produce some of the best games we have seen in a long time.

Does this mean Microsoft won't produce excellent first party games going forward? No. Does this mean Sony will never talk to its fanbase and not keep them informed? No. We are only half a year into the console generation and people are making out like these super large companies who are making billions are doomed.

I don't understand what we are trying to win here? The consumer getting the best value is the big win in my opinion and the competition between both MS and Sony is fierce which means we stand to benefit greatly as a community of gamers. If one side wins then we all lose because everything will become standardised with lack of diversity.

Never understood the console wars and the fight between the "xbots" and "ponies" but I'm certain they speak for the minority of the gaming community. They are just so damn loud!

It’s just going the way it does every new gen, one company gets cocky because they “won” last time, and the other has to up their game because they lost. All it really proves is how smart Nintendo are to completely remove themselves from the nonsense that is the console war.

I've just ordered a Series S for myself because they're cheap and available. Looking forward to checking out Game Pass.

Value wise Xbox is winning with gamepass, so many free new games. That said, like most other comments here no first party games for Xbox and a few for Sony is helping them keep pace. I would like a gamepass option for Playstation. Anytime you can get games for cheaper is a good thing. Overall this close competition should help gamers as long as one or the other doesn't get arrogant and not pay attention to the current market.

PlayStation will always ‘win’ for me because of their first party games but they seriously need to step up their game. I feel like they’re resting on the success of the PS4, like they did with the PS2...

Of the new console designs I actually prefer the Xbox Series X over the fugly PS5 design. PS5 is one of the worst looking consoles ever IMO but the Dualsense is great.

Sony desperately need to do something. They have a significantly inferior console hardware specification for the second generation in a row and Microsoft are wiping the floor with them in A1 game studio acquisitions and online subscriptions and cloud gaming to fund them.

The €70 price of new games is being used as a stick to beat Sony with. In a couple of years time PS5 will have top games at reduced prices. How will Xbox answer that? They won't. Game pass is totally overrated and Sony do not need to respond with a similar service, even though I know they have one.

I want physical games for €20 brand new and PS5 will deliver that eventually. MS are being heralded as the people's champion with their game pass but where are the new games? There are none.

I'll be sticking with Sony this upcoming generation. Last gen I bought a one x and it was/is a disappointment. Nothing has changed at MS.

This almost seems like an article that’s posted for the simple fact that everyone around here loses their minds over everything so the site decided to pose a question they already know what the answer will be.

@Adge
What are you taking about? Game pass isn't free, it's £120 per year and at the end of the year you will own nothing. PS5 games will come down in price and the £70 stick will be useless then. The name of the game is the games and MS have none.

The next few years is going to see MS getting trashed by Sony when PS5 exclusives become plentiful and start selling for discounted €20. The exact same way they did in the PS4 generation. The masses haven't bought into the next generation yet. The early have bought in and the industry needs them, but they don't set a precedent for the future.

It depends what you class and losing or winning?
Has PS5 sold the most consoles to date? Yes.
Has Xbox got the most momentum right now. Yes.

This is the issue now. There won't be a clear cut winner in the traditional sense and Sony need to be very careful of this.
Xbox aren't in the game of wanting to sell the most consoles this gen.
They want people signed up to Game Pass Ultimate.
This can literally be accessed on consoles, PC, mobiles, tablets and soon Smart TVs.

So Sony need to either get themselves a Game Pass equivalent and stay competitive with the direction Xbox is going, or let them go their own way and identify Nintendo as their main competitor, since they are the only other console maker still focused on the traditional means of selling games.

Sony has been all about the money for years now.

Most of what they've been doing is anti-consumer.

The bad decisions are starting to pile up fast.

Very soon it will be too late to change the narrative.

@Shygamer
Join 5 minutes and talking trash already. I buy into the playstation ecosystem. You stick with that gimp Phil spencer.

I've got a PS4 Pro with a fast SSD and I'm sticking with it for now.
The exclusives on the PS5 are very underwhelming at the moment (a PS3 game that I had and wasn't over keen on and a R&C game that looks like it'd run fine on a PS4 if Sony weren't pushing Insomniac to make it PS5 only)
After Sony's attitude with the old platform stores, I am seriously considering which way to jump next.

For the foreseeable, the PS4 is getting all the major releases so that's fine by me. Let's see who's on top in another year or so.

@Shygamer you’ve been here for all of your lunch break and already calling people names. Anyway... welcome 🤷🏾‍♂️

@somnambulance Nintendo is beating them both? With what? Worst versions of multIplates? Ridiculous online? Year long dry spells? Over reliance on Mario? Framerate issues on every game? Gimped hardware that guarantees none of the newest games will reach the system.

I know people love the Switch for some reason or another, but it's my biggest gaming regret and I even bought a PSPGo.

@Rob_230
I see what you mean but the article says the initiative came from the new studio. I can't imagine them starting working on TLOU remake with no green light or no input at all from Neil Drunkman so he definitely was behind it from the start IMHO

@Shygamer totally agree with you had every playstation console spent thousands on games , I regret rushing out to buy PS5 at launch with a Sony tv HDMI 2.1 , Pulse headphones only to rewarded with 70 quid games . Sony have the best exclusives but Xbox is very pro gamer at the moment with gamepass , Thinking of getting an xbox myself

@Shygamer I also bought a series x but its gathering dust whilst I wait for the 1st party games to launch! All it is at the moment is a backwards compatibility machine. Which I have no interest in. Wish I'd have stayed with my one x. Where as my PS5 is used everyday. I buy all the 3rd party games on it because of the dual sense. The series x controller feels like a cheap toy and lifeless after adaptive triggers and haptics.
Sony have a list of exclusives launching this year and what do MS have? A generic boring looking Halo that looks like it hasnt progressed in years.
Oh and your HD comparison doesn't really hold water now that developers are starting to use kraken. Control UE is 40% smaller on PS5. More and more developers will start using it.
And please don't start with the t flops crap. That's just a number to please small children. These machines are a lot more than that.

@Dezzy70 strange how the PS5 was the biggest selling console in the UK in February then? That its the fastest selling console in history? Amazon uk were rumoured to have had 45k the other week. They are making and selling more than both models of xbox.
What are you on about with the quality of life and manufacturing? Did you not see the tear down? Its all on one board? And yes I've had a few crashes on it and resets, but I've had that on my series x too. You get that with first gen machines.

@Serialsid
So let me get this, you claim to have a Series X for the exclusives, but the only big announced exclusive for this year you call "A generic boring looking Halo that looks like it hasnt progressed in years."
And the controller "feels like a cheap toy and lifeless after adaptive triggers and haptics."

Sorry but I don't believe you own one based on those comments.
I own a PS5 and Series X myself, but Series X gets some good usage in between my PS5 due to Game Pass with stuff like Outriders and Octopath Traveller literally just from the past 2 weeks.

I think Sony really needs to work on its PR and getting the message right for this gen and less time worrying what gamepass is doing.
Amazes me all the great press and even utubers falling over themselves about how brilliant MS and gamepass is and how backwards compatibility is so awesome. It completely deflects from the one issue MS has at the moment. No 1st games.
Sony has some great exclusive games coming in the next few months whilst xbox has none. But that seems to not matter to a lot of the press.

@blinx01 I can send you a picture and the receipt if you like. Not that I'm bothered if you don't believe me. I bought both next gen machines hoping for great exclusives this year. To play the next great games on the best machines at launch. Hoping that MS we're going to blow me away with a showcase and release schedule. But what did I get? Oh it plays all your old games better, and hey we've bought Bethesda so have all their old games too. I love Forza Horizon 4, was hoping for something on the next one. Hoping for any new games from them really!
Meanwhile I have Returnal, deathloop, R&C, kena and hopefully HZD2 to look forward too.
Only game I've played on my series x this year is Desperados 3 (great game).

I voted "Kind of, PlayStation's still on top but Xbox is doing well".

Yes they've made up some ground on Sony, those Microsoft lads and lasses, but Sony are still very much outselling and outgunning them despite not having a direct competitor to Game Pass. If they were really bothered I'm sure they could just retool PS Now to more closely resemble GPU anyway; wouldn't be too difficult. Who knows, maybe that's part of the reason they unwisely closed the PS3/PSP/Vita stores.

There does seem to be an element of hubris and bigheadedness to Sony at the moment though, and I feel Microsoft's communication is more consistent and constant, however what Sony's marketing and PR team might be doing is deliberately making people "thirsty" for knowledge about what they're doing by deliberately remaining tight-lipped about these things, as they did prior to the PS5 reveal, so every morsel of news people do eventually get leads to rife amounts of speculation, postulation and all kinds of rabid discussion.

"Ah, the Console Wars. Although they don't exist in the raw form that many would like to perceive, there's no getting away from that fact that companies like Sony and Microsoft are competing with one another"

I don't care for this line, and it's a shame it opens the article. For platform agnostic people such as myself who just go where the good games are (and PC/PlayStation/Xbox/Nintendo all have their share, or at least access to decent cross-platform titles like DOOM) the Console Wars are just a media fabrication and propagation from years ago used for clickbaiting. Personally all of those have their strengths and weaknesses but if you have at least a couple of the four, you start to realise that wasting time on the internet being a rabid fanboy hitching your horse to one wagon basically defeats the object and detracts from being a gamer - time spent arguing on the internet and calling Sony fans "salty ponies" is just time that could have been spent gaming wasted, really.

I will say for my money though, Game Pass has been ridiculously good value recently, and my Pro doesn't barely get switched on unless it's downloading Play at Home games during the few weeks window you can get 'em. It's fairing better than my Switch, which is packed away in it's case since 2 months ago and I haven't missed it enough to reconnect it.

Basically Sony are still on top anyway, and will remain that way unless they keep piling up boneheaded decisions and alienating the fans, but if you're a true gamer you realise the platform is just a means to an end and it's the games themselves that count. Pretty obvious thing to say, but very easy for people to lose sight of when they succumb to nascent fanboy rage monkeying, I suppose.

Essay over. There's gaming to be done... 🎮

@Serialsid
I'll take your word for it pal. Just very strange comments when anyone buying a Series X at this point knows its for Game Pass or back-compat games at this stage in terms of exclusives.
Don't think we'll see any major exclusives from Xbox until towards the end of the year and the Bethesda stuff probably won't start releasing until 2022 unless they sneak out Starfield end of the year.

PS5 definitely has the more interesting announced exclusives right now. It's just the £70 that makes me hesitant to jump on stuff like Returnal until reviews and player feedback start surfacing.

@blinx01 maybe I was being silly, but when I preordered my series x last September I really thought they would have games launching this year that would take advantage of it. We could amazingly get to the point of it's year anniversary in November with the only real big release being the medium! Can you imagine the flack Sony would get for that. But MS are getting away with it because of gamepass and BC.
In comparison, Sony's first year line up could be the best it's ever had by November but it's being dwarfed by constant bad press (some of its own making).
I reckon your right, from 2022 MS have the potential to deliver a constant stream of games. Hopefully of great quality too.
I hear what your saying about the £70. It Did surprise me that were now paying $97 for new games here in the UK. I managed to preorder returnal for £64 and I'm hoping it's worth it.

@Waffles12415 yeah fair enough, but I wouldn't include hearsay and rumours,and we don't know what impact the bethesda acquisition will have on ps ,I still think the big hitters will be available on all consoles

@PhhhCough so it took netflix over 10 years to make a profit and microsoft has made 100s of millions in a couple of years 😂😂😂 dont be daft now ,and ms isn't just xbox ,they'll get a budget just like everyone else,it isn't a bottomless pit of money where Phil spencer can dip his hand in whenever he likes ,gamepass is OK but its dead money, its like renting a house instead of buying it ,you'll never own anything.

Well...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNfPaduAEz6/?igshid=k4b16m8324li

@Shygamer Wasn't meant to mean anything to you. 🤷‍♂️

Can't we just have different markets? I have 0 interest in XBox Game Pass. It's solid value for the money, but I don't stream video games. I won't have any interest in a comparable offering from Sony. I don't think either company is ahead or behind the other, they just appeal to different market segments. Even Nintendo is operating in a slightly different niche and finding solid success.

There's always competition in the industry for people's time and money and attention. But the appeal of each of the big three's platforms is now different each from the other. That's largely a good thing to my mind.

In PR? Yes. In real life? No.

PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 continue to dominate XB1 and Series in sales, revenue, demand, games, and innovation. The media is clearly losing credibility, it's been an embarrassing spiral for years. Gaming journalists are becoming an industry joke, but for now, the casual masses can still be influenced. However, real life still outweighs the idiocy and propaganda supported by our fumbling heroes on sites such as these. That Oddworld review. Wow. Outriders nearly doubled the score of Oddworld. Incredible. The utter ineptitude of the industry's dancing Jesters is wild. Either that, or it's money/influence.

But reviews are merely the tip. It's nonsense like this poll/article and the constant Spencer/Gamepass/Bethesda fluff pieces circulating the media while Sony continues to get pummeled as if they were the company getting waxed by the competition, manipulating the public, and providing no games.

It's truly unreal. I am in awe of Microsoft's ability to herd the cattle on a mass scale. I csn understand how they monopolized with Windows and how they became one of the richest and most powerful juggernauts in the world. It's scary. Ppl are weak animals and those guys are capitalizing. It's a beautifully evil. Giving ppl dogs*** and making them believe it's caviar. Getting dominated by the competition and lying for years, launching a historically inept games lineup, and having nothing concrete lined up for the rest of the year yet the media is promoting u as if u pay their rent. It's wild. Then the fans eat it up. A cycle of hype begetting hype. Insane and disgusting. The industry is a pit.

@vapidwolf it's basic math. 18m users. Whether they all used the $1 promotion, that's $18m. If they paid full price, that's $1b+, if they paid half, that's $500m+. So anywhere from $18m-$1b, for one year(2020). And that is just gamepass. Not counting xbgold subs, digital/physical purchases of software/hardware/peripherals. Yes, I know MS is a giant corpo. But to think xb division wouldnt get any of the money MS just got is asinine. Did xb buy zenimax or MS.

Short story, long, agree to disagree. Enjoy the games!

@Shygamer you know what's anti consumer? Releasing a £450 next gen console with no new 1st party exclusive games to play on it! Having such a bare first year you have to pay loads of money to get 3rd party games day one just to give your players something to play!
Yes gamepass is great value, but not for next gen gaming it isn't!
I'll take Sony's new £70 games over playing the same old games with faster fps any day.
And I'm sure Sony will do just fine without your money.

To be fair Sony build the PS4's success partly on the momentum the PS3 gained from around 2009 or so, with games like Uncharted 2 and later The Last of Us being very successful.
It's kind of funny to see how important first party has become to Sony since 2010 or so, before they had mainly Gran Turismo that at least sometimes sold 10 million copies or more.
Nowadays it's almost seen as a failure if a Sony first party title doesn't sell at least 10 million copies. Just look at Days Gone, that won't receive a sequel even though it sold pretty well (but that also has something to do with the cost of producing AAA games these days of course).

@Shygamer I must be mate, I bought a series x day one! I have no loyalty to any piece of plastic that's sat under my TV. I just like playing great games. Will be nice when xbox start making them again!

@PhhhCough regardless of whether you apply basic mathematics to ms gamepass business model,unfortunately it doesn't work like that they will make no money for years,but like you say..enjoy whatever you play 😁

@Shygamer ok phil hows the old games going ,whats the next announcement, jet set willy on gamepass 😂

Sales wise probably not but it´s gonna a tougher race this time around.

Personally yes and i´ll be moving to the green side,PS5 will be a exclusive console only and not day one.

@BrainHacker that is not what is going on here this is gutter journalism. it is for the Shygamers above. & to be clear I do not mean just this article on its own which I guess you knew anyway.👍

@Shygamer

@Shygamer your not winding any one up mate. You just make yourself look very very sad. These are billion dollar companies that don't care about any of us. You shilling for one over the other is really rather funny.
But hey if it makes your warm inside and your mums basement look a bit brighter, you do you.

@munstre So Sony saying at the time that people will need to work harder if they want to afford to buy a PS3 wasn't arrogance?

@fR_eeBritney I personally cannot wait for a slim redesign. I won't be getting PS5 until that's a thing.

@JJ2 yep👍 really starting to look that way mate.

@__jamiie me too! Can’t come soon enough.

@Adge
This.

@Josieppe PS4 will probably keep you happy for a while longer. To my knowledge there is ONE PS5 exclusive that is not on PS4; Demon Souls Remake. Of course, you can still play the original on your PS4 so even that game hardly counts as exclusive to PS5.

Have you seen the charts? That’s your answer (no)

Look at the first question in the poll. There are four answers that essentially favor Xbox and only two that favor PlayStation. This s*** is so skewed. And a poll like this on a PlayStation site? Coming off one of the greatest console generations in history, at a moment when the PS5 is delivering everything it promised, breaking sales records and leading next gen, we get this propaganda bulls*** on a supposed PlayStation focused site?

It's obvious that Microsoft is using money and influence to Garner positive results. I'm not saying Push Square specifically is on the take, but the media as a whole is twisted and unwell.

@munstre The point is that Sony were arrogant. It isn't a myth as you stated. I agree with you that the PS3 struggled initially because of reasons other than arrogance. But that doesn't change the fact that they were completely wrapped up in their own success and arrogant.

@__jamiie I don't know if Sony were arrogant, probably more too ambitious for their own good.
The fact is that the PS3 had a very powerful (and expensive) CPU (the Cell processor) with an out of the ordinary architecture, that was hard to learn to get the most power out of.
It took some years (3 maybe) before the third party companies started to really master it, and therefore there were some inferior ports/versions, where the Xbox 360 versions performed better and therefore 360 did better sales wise at first.
Then also back then (just like it seem they do today) Microsoft poured a lot of money into the Xbox brand (they released the 360 a year prematurely to get a head, causing the hardware to suffer from overheating issues, leading to the notorius "Red Ring of Death" failure, again causing Microsoft to have to replace a lot of machines cost free).
On the first party front the competition was a lot fiercer, Microsoft released a lot of Halo, Gears of War, etc. games during the Xbox 360 era, and also secured a number of (at least console) exclusive "second party" games like Splinter Cell: Conviction, Alan Wake, Condemned: Criminal Origin and Metro: 2033.
The PS3 hardware was great, but costly. The Xbox 360 was more like modern consoles (apart from the Switch), I think, with more of a PC like architecture (the "second party" games I just mentioned were also released on PC, but not on PS3).
Sony actually tried to push gaming forward with the PS3 IMO. The PS4 on the other hand was weak (but relatively inexpensive - they sort of learned their lesson, you could say), which is probably why they had to make the Pro mid generation (to keep up with PCs mainly, but of course also the Xbox One X).

@munstre You said it was a myth. It wasn't. They were arrogant. I was there.

@shgamer https://www.engadget.com/2005-07-06-sony-wants-you-to-earn-that-playstation-3.html

@Serialsid
I honestly don’t know how the two next generation consoles are selling so well with such stock shortages, especially the PS5. But if that is what the facts are in the UK then fair enough and well done Sony.
I have just never seen such shortages in the whole of my gaming life that goes back to 70s not for this long a time after a launch and continuously.
Problem is I’m always a don’t trust anyone when it comes to sale numbers and reports.
When the PS4 and Xbox one launched I had a friend who worked at game and for the first six months from launch the comparable sales of each console at that Game told such a different story to the UK nations sales numbers of each console.
The PS4 was way out in front at this particular store, but UK overall had them at 50/50.

@__jamiie Ok, I admit that sounds a tiny bit arrogant lol, but you do have to consider that Sony themselves probably worked really hard to design the PS3 at that point (2005). After all Japanese people (at least from what I understand) are incredibly hard working people, and then you might get a bit sour from time to time and come out sounding a bit (or maybe even quite a lot) arrogant from all the hard work.

@Serialsid That just shows how little you know of the Xbox and Game Pass, I'd even wager you'd be quite shocked if you actually knew what it offers.

This is what is happening: both Sony and Microsoft are holding their cards close to the chest and are slowly showing them to the audience. What ails Sony is two things:
1 - Maybe Microsoft is doing a better job presenting their cards.
2 - There is a strong probability that Microsoft's cards are better.
Also, while Sony is very publicly shutting down game studios, I believe Microsoft is quietly consolidating theirs.
And I must say.. Phil Spencer looks like a much more charismatic guy than Jin Ryan. Every time Jin shows up he seems to be apologizing about something and everytime I see Phil he is always with a big smile and bright eyes telling us how nice things are in the Xbox side. I don't know if Phil is right, but I can't say he is wrong either.

@munstre Wow. Thanks for taking the higher ground here. Well done! I don't need to re-read your wonderful post because I'm able to understand things the first time. And, as I understand it, you said that Sony arrogance at PS3 launch was a myth. Then, because I pointed out the fact that you were wrong you got aggressive. Then you tried to deflect your anger towards me and pretend that the rest of your post was worth reading. It wasn't. Also God has a capital letter. And doesn't exist.

@shgamer Every company works hard to develop a console. They don't always tell people to work harder to own one.

@S1ayeR74 I have a series x sat next to my ps5. And I have been subscribed to gamepass ultimate for over a year and a half. I know exactly what it offers. Fact remains that xbox has had a terrible 1st party launch lineup, and this looks set to continue upto the end of the year until halo releases. Unless they surprise us. Whereas Sony's first year is very healthy.
Gamepass is great value, especially if you like playing loads of old games with better fps. And I'm sure in the future when they start dropping games from all their studios it will get even better.
But for now my series x just feels like a slightly more powerful one x with a boring controller and no innovation.

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It is irrelevant whether you have an Xbox sitting next to your ps5 or you have Phil Spencer himself cookin your breakfast.

At the beginning of Ps4, the list of exclusives was atrocious. Ps4 sold well any way.

You can play 3rd party on either console and other will gather dust just fine. Your argument about how many exclusives you have been playing isn't going to change the fact that there are advantages of having an Xbox atm. It gathering dust in your shelf isn't going to change my mind one bit.

Don't bother arguing with me though, I know you haven't spent much time on it, considering you have only played 1 game so far.

I am used to quick resume now and any game I can get my hands on Xbox, will be played on Xbox because quick resume is just gorgeous.

I will gladly play first party ps5 games when I get get my hands on a ps5 without touching a scalper.

But let's not cast a false image of what series x offers.

Controller? It does not need to change a controller that has no need to be changed. It is not boring. It works absolutely great and has a fantastic build to it. It is slightly more compact than Xbox one. You do not understand the difference in size but my wife is thankful since she enjoys the smaller build for her gaming needs.

I like playing "any game I play" with a higher fps, where ever the heck I can.

Series X has been a fantastic purchase so far for me and quick resume is just not something you can get over when you play any thing any where else.

In any case, ps5 will be my place to play exclusives I can't get else where.

@TrolleyProblems
Hi, this may seem like a silly question, but you brought up quick resume; I was wondering whether this is only useful for digital games as i buy physical. Will I still need to switch out discs (I imagine so). Also, I’ve read lots of reports that say it is not reliable with all games and people lose progress sometimes. Have you experienced that.
I rarely play more than 3 games at once so, if it works perfectly and especially if it stops me needing to switch discs, I can see a big benefit, but if it is even slightly unreliable I know I wouldn’t trust it and would just hard save my games regardless...

@__jamiie
Side point: if you believe god doesn’t exist, why capitalise? I know I make a point of not doing so.

@TrolleyProblems I'm very pleased for you and your enjoyment of the series x. I'll agree its a very powerful system. Whilst quick resume is good(when it works probably) I don't really use it as I just play one game at a time.
The only real advantage it has over the ps5 is the value of gamepass. Its still massively lacking in its 1st party gaming, has no reason to justify the upgrade from a one x(which I did).
I dislike the new series x controller so much (d pad is so clicky) that when I do play I use my old xbox one controllers. Whereas the dualsense is a massive improvement over the dualshock. When you play something like WR9 and you can feel the ABS kick in on the left trigger, that your engine is damaged just by the changes in the right trigger. Loose gravel hitting the bottom of the car can be felt by the haptic, and heard through the speaker. These things add so much to the game. And that's not the only game to use it really well. Then I go back to Forza H4 (my favourite driving game) and it feels just flat compared.
Anyway I just enjoy playing good games, and I look forward to when xbox starts delivering on all its promises. But it still has a lot to prove.

@Serialsid So your argument is based around first party games? The PS is hardly winning in those is it, most don’t have release dates, Horizon isn’t even guaranteed for this year, Gran Turismo doesn’t have a release date.. I see plenty of value in Game Pass as I don’t look only at first party studios. The Medium, Outriders, plenty of great indie games coming to it all day and date. Lots of news games on there not just old ones. The Fears DLC was fantastic and looked proper next gen. I really wouldn’t focus only on first parties for an argument, because it’s impossible to guarantee their release dates this year.
I’m very excited for The Ascent and was gutted it had been delayed, it looks like a proper next gen indie shoot em up. And will be day and date Game Pass, the service has opened games to people who wouldn’t necessarily buy the games.
For me the PS5 offers nothing currently, and if Sony is going to push this narrative of only making games with high profit and high review scores, they might not this entire gen. if the indie and third party games I am interested in are on Xbox too. A new Uncharted game would peak my interest but that seems to be all over the place if one will be made, I would love to see Half Life Alyx come to the VR2 and PS5 but I doubt it will as Sony seem uninterested in third parties and indies. I’m afraid I had my fill of over the shoulder action story simulators. And I don’t like Druckmans writing after TLOU2. We shall see what happens though.

@S1ayeR74 I don't really care if you believe me or not. I got my preorder in with argos last September looking forward to seeing what the new machine could do, looking forward to what exclusives I would be playing in 2021. What do I get? The medium? Didn't even bother downloading. Maybe I'm missing out, was too busy playing all the games ps plus kept giving me and all the 3rd party games I was buying on ps5.
I'll admit that getting outriders day one was a brilliant move by MS. But do you really think they would have paid all that money to do that if they had exclusives of there own launching? Personally I think it was a great distraction from the fact they have no new games to launch. Which is also why they big up backwards compatibility so much, because they don't have anything else.

Maybe I should have been more clear on the 1st party line. What I should have said was exclusives. Reasons to own the console. Sony's first year line up - Demon Souls, bugsnax, astro, spiderman MM, Sackboy, Destruction Allstars, Returnal, R&C, deathloop, kena and hopefully HZD2. Yeah they are of vary quality and some played on ps4 but at least there is choice.
I'm sure one day MS will start launching lots of new exclusive games onto gamepass and the value will be great. But for me it's not there at the moment.

@S1ayeR74 we might not agree on much but I agree 100% on druckman. I'll never play one of his games again.

I find this kind of talk hilarious tbh. Sony own the console domain due to the constant stream of fantastic games only available on their platforms. Microsoft’s gamepass at the current prices is completely unsustainable, any moron can see that. Gamepass was born out of nothing but desperation on ms part. Sony just needs to continue to invest in incredible development teams who bring utterly fantastic games every single generation. Hell, even the apparant’failure’ that was PS3 still ended up outselling the apparantly better 360. I just lol at all this talk while I sit back and let Sony do their thing. Thanks but no thanks Microsoft , you have consistently failed you’re customers for over 10 years now.

@Serialsid Under Jim Ryan it seems those exclusives won’t be for very long, with many going to PC like some already have. You also need to read my edited reply I made after I actually read your comment properly.. and yes Druckman has killed ND for me. I like Uncharted, but I shudder to think what he will do with it if they make another one. A LOT of other talent were in the first 3 games now gone onto other things, and they over rolled Druckman.

@S1ayeR74 horizon was on PS4 for nearly 4 years before it went to pc . Next

@Mikey856 And, Jim Ryan has stated many exclusives will be going to PC, they want that revenue and I doubt will wait 3 years again. The only reason it was 4 years for the original Horizon is it's a new thing for Sony to put its exclusives on another platform, Death Stranding was only a Sony exclusive for 8 months before it hit PC.
I'm afraid your deluded if you think Sony's games will remain exclusives for long under Jim Ryan. But reading your comment above I see you already are anyway.

@S1ayeR74 death stranding was always a ‘timed exclusive’ . Horizon was a exclusive that ended Up being ported. It’s nothing to do with being delusional and all to do with what the original plans for some games are. Some games are pencilled in to be multi plat eventually, others like bloodborne stay full exclusive. It’s not the same for all exclusives is it bro.

And let’s be honest these games deserve to be played by as many people as possible as imo no platform has as varied a library as ps

I don't understand why one has to win and one has to lose.

People are aware that nothing dies in the console wars anymore right? There's more than enough profit to support three console makers and probably even more.

@lordzand for me personally I can’t stand Microsoft as a company. They have consistently failed their customers for years now and don’t deserve a penny of our money imo. Nintendo are Sony biggest rivals these days

This is all tilted coverage.

Xbox doing good? Where? There might be some promise in the future but lets not forgot the Series consoles released with zero next-gen games. There have not been new microsoft exclusives worth talking about in years.
Also, there might be promise, but lets not fool ourselves. Bethesda games have been in quality decline in the last gen and MS bought mostly B tier studios. They are not gonna start pumping out 9's or 10's consistently. Microsoft is notably terrible at managing studios too. They say they want to be hands off, but we know the execs will come and ruin it. Remember Rare and Lionhead. What it was and what it is.

Nah, this is just a narrative being pushed by those that like the tik tok on the console market, but really are naive because they don't understand how dangerous to the consumer and the market Microsoft is. Microsoft is disonest. Don't think for a second that they are the good guy.

@Nem hear hear

@thefourfoldroot Because it's a name. Batman isn't real but I still use a capital letter.

@__jamiie
Ah, you were talking about the singular god, rather that god as a concept. I missed that.

@Nem completely agree with your post about the launch line up. The series x and s could reach their year anniversaries with the only exclusives released being the medium and a dlc for gears 5. Its got to be the worst launch of a console ever. Can you imagine the stick Sony would get if it did that? But MS use smoke and mirrors with game pass and BC and the media/ you tubers fall over themselves with how amazing they are!

Even the switch first year had BOTW, splatoon 2, Mario rabbids, Mario odyssey and a few others. Sony is on course to deliver 10 exclusives, maybe 11 with HZD2 in its first year, but the "optics" seem to be all about gamepass!

Don't get me wrong, I think Sony have and are making mistakes and they need to turn that around. But I still feel MS are behind and also still have a lot to prove. 23 or 100 studios doesn't mean anything till we see quality games.

@thefourfoldroot Yep you did. God the person not God the concept.

@Mikey856 Yes you are delusional, now your changing the goal posts, got any proof it was 'always' slated to be multiplat then? You obviously hate Xbox and make the typical fanboy rant against them. Going by your post above. For instance proclaiming they have been failing their customers, just makes me laugh comments like that and the one by No.
Typical fanboys who don't actually know the reality and will defend Sony no matter what, just like Apple fans in a way that is, almost like cult behaviour, over a piece of plastic.

@Daleaf Of course there are a LOT of legacy games thousands that you can't play on PS5 but are readily playable with 4k upscaling and HDR on XBox s-x.

@thefourfoldroot I stopped playing physical a while ago. From what I have been told by those that do use it, swapping disc is just fine. Discs are only used to read license information and nothing more. So state of game is still preserved in system and having a disc in only allows you to get in fast. Otherwise you stay out, with msg that you need to buy license to access game.

From what I have seen, any game that is "online progression, can't be accessed directly because the game's server requires you to be connected to. Any multiplayer game like destiny for example will have same issue.

@TrolleyProblems
Ah, so if you game with physical discs you still have to keep swapping them out with quick resume anyway? I guessed that would be the case but, I guess, was kind of hoping not. With the speed next gen games load, swapping the discs is like 95% of the wasted time when changing games. Oh well, no big deal, just thought it might be a plus over my PS5 if / when I get the series X (meaning if/when a load of big games come exclusively to gamepass).

291Serialsid6:34am

>Whilst quick resume is good(when it works probably) I don't really use it as I just play one game at a time.

A person's own personal choices don't change the fact that console is capable of doing 10x more than what you have made it sound like in that post of yours above. That was my issue with it. You painted entire post in a tone that presented that console as if it had absolutely nothing worth looking into. You can disagree all you wish, but that was the general tone behind your writing.

Any time a person has ever wrote "collecting dust" for any console, it just makes them sound biased because every console has its strengths. You chose to recognize the weaknesses of xsx based on your gaming preference, and not on its own merit.

You enjoying one game is absolutely fine. But that doesn't change the things that xsx is still capable of doing, should you chose to utilize them.

>The only real advantage it has over the ps5 is the value of gamepass.

No. I disagree. As to why? Do your own research.

> Its still massively lacking in its 1st party gaming, has no reason to justify the upgrade from a one x(which I did).

I don't give a crap about 1st party gaming. I consider the entire ecosystem. All experiences.

To me, Sony is massively lacking in quality of ecosystem it provides when compared to Xbox. And it's 1st party can be played when it has enough exclusives that I care about and when it is available for purchase without engaging scalpers.

All my 3rd patty games will always be played on Xbox because of its ease in backward compatibility. I play with alot of family constantly who still do not have finances to deal with current generation of console.

It is a fantastic feature.

>I dislike the new series x controller so much (d pad is so clicky) that when I do play I use my old xbox one controllers.

I love the heft behind the controller and how compact it is.

D-pad being clicky isn't an issue for me. I use D pad mostly for options of games and even then it has a satisfying feel that gives feed back to me on when I press it.

I am used to keyboards with cherry mx keys.

Whereas the dualsense is a massive improvement over the dualshock.

Improvement over previous dual shock is great.

> When you play something like WR9 and you can feel the ABS kick in on the left trigger, that your engine is damaged just by the changes in the right trigger. Loose gravel hitting the bottom of the car can be felt by the haptic, and heard through the speaker. These things add so much to the game.

I understand that, but the addition doesn't make me want to buy a whole console,or change my evo system because I simply dislike Sony's ecosystem and how they behave. I am used to a comfortable refundable of games policy and have done many times in past. A controller isn't gonna change the fact that Sony's customer service is absolutely trash.

> And that's not the only game to use it really well. Then I go back to Forza H4 (my favourite driving game) and it feels just flat compared.

I can certainly say that by the description you provided me, I would play a driving game over ps and not xbox.

I would still not chose to engage every game on playstation

>Anyway I just enjoy playing good games, and I look forward to when xbox starts delivering on all its promises. But it still has a lot to prove.

To me, it proves plenty and is used alot in my house hold.

hat tip

@thefourfoldroot honestly, I haven't touched physical games in a while now since I play with multiple consoles in my home and my wife has hers, so sharing games when digital is very easy and we don't have to couch coop. We get our own gaming screens and enjoy one copy.

I do understand where you are coming from, but I would say that licensing thing is probably the biggest reason it doesn't feel as good when using physical media

@S1ayeR74 Big talk for someone claiming Sony will be putting their current gen games on PC.
Maybe you should look in the mirror.

@Nem I do look, everyday and I smile... hmm and are you accusing Jim Ryan of lying then? Seems like you are. Only big talk comes from him matey, you should remember that, if you can stop with your hatred for a plastic box for 5 minutes.

@Vivisapprentice Very true. Gusts From Tsushima and Demon Socks were quality gums/games.

@S1ayeR74 yes I hate Microsoft they are ***** hopeless at gaming 😭😭😭 Sony destroy them ever gen with their games. Next

@Mikey856 Can’t tell if your serious or sarcastic, no matter on the ignore list you go, maybe you can mature one day. Next.

@S1ayeR74 No, i'm accusing you of lying cause that is not what he said.

@S1ayeR74 are you okay flower? I agreed with you I do hate microshit 😂😂😂

@Nem Sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about. You didn't exactly make your comment very clear.

@S1ayeR74 Yes, you do. Jim Ryan only said that more sony exclusives would be coming to PC (read, older ones such as Horizon which he was talking about), not that the new exclusive games would be coming to PC anytime soon or in great numbers. That part, you made up.
It won't happen, they make exclusives to sell systems. They won't be coming to PC until they feel like they don't need to sell more systems. Which is years down the line.

@Nem No that's purely your own personal opinion with no facts to back it up. You are just as wrong or right as I am in this argument, unless you have a link to prove Jim Ryan stated only older games would be coming to PC, which he hasn't.
Your making it up just the same.
You seem to have failed to see that flaw in your argument..

@S1ayeR74 I'm afraid you are mistaken. You made the claim, i called you out. I am not making a claim, i'm saying that's not what he said. Being it isn't, it is only obvious to think he won't be doing something against the company's interest. Too bad if that shatters your BS narrative.

@Nem haha I'm afraid you've shattered nothing, only what is in your own imagination. You are a total hypocrite and fail to see it because your so blinded by your defence of a plastic box. You don't even know what a counter claim is when you see it. I requested you to provide proof to back 'your claim' up and as expected, because your incapable of providing any you go on the insult and attack.
Come back when you have valid proof of your claim.

I see no reason why the PS5 couldn't upscale all PSX/2 games and even run PS3 titles natively. Even if it's 'only' Sony owned properties that's a huge number of titles to offer gamers and a great way to debut a Game Pass style service.

Unfortunately they seem to hate anything older than the PS4. 😥

@S1ayeR74 How do you figure i'm in defense of a box? Is your only argument to call others that?
You are misrepresenting what a CEO said and ignore his company business model to spread false and totally illogical assertions and pass them as facts.
I mean, it's rich that you accuse me of what you are doing. I attacked your narrative, not you. You can't say the same.
Also, i am still not making a claim, unless you mean him not nuking the company business is not logical. That is not an assertion. It's a fair acessment the man isn't mad. If that is your argument, well... you don't have one without resorting to the ridiculous.

I think PS has some time before it properly loses ground but I am happy all the things mentioned in this article is getting attention.
I for one miss the era of recognised faces of PS on the stage and peculiar games released alongside the big story driven tent poles. PS3 era turned out to be one of my favourites, once Sony really made an effort to get back on course.

@Nem Let's roll back a bit here, you flat out accused me of lying, I said I had no idea what you were on about as your details were lacking to say the least, you then proclaimed it was because I stated that new PS exclusive games would come to PC. Both new and old. That's a counter claim. I asked you to provide proof as YOU stated that it would only be older games. And you've been in the defence ever since without providing a shred of proof for that claim.
So unless you are capable of providing that proof, then it's all your own personal opinion and nothing more. And using your own logic that puts you on the exact same standing as myself.

@S1ayeR74 There is no counter claim. That is literally what they are doing. Horizon is a 4 yo game.
Before you bring up Death stranding, that isn't a first party game, it's second party. Where it goes depends on Kojima more than Sony. The other is days gone. They have something in common, which is they were expected to sell more.
So, i am not making a claim, it's what they are doing. If i see you pissing down a tree, is it a claim if i say you are pissing? I think it's pretty obvious. It's an observation.
If i said you were gonna poop on it next, that is a claim. You are saying they are gonna release them sooner on PC.

Quote by S1ayeR74
" And, Jim Ryan has stated many exclusives will be going to PC, they want that revenue and I doubt will wait 3 years again. The only reason it was 4 years for the original Horizon is it's a new thing for Sony"

He did not say many, he said more. He did not say newer games, he said more. That was the lie.
2 assumptions made there, which are pretty illogical when one sells systems through exclusives. So, you need pretty convincing evidence for such a big claim. You don't have it. They have released old games and underperforming ones. Neither of which interferes with their goal of selling new systems.

@Nem Oh dear your still making that counter claim, you don’t even know what that is.. using your logic Jim Ryan stated “a whole slate” of games NOT older ones will be coming to PC. You accused me of lying and still are with absolutely zero proof to back it up.
Days Gone was launched in April 2019 and some would say that isn’t an old game and it’s on PC this year as confirmed by Sony.

Here the full interview with Ryan where he talks about it, read between the lines and basically they want to make more money through PC sales, and PC gamers won’t want old games all the time.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/playstation-vr-jim-ryan-interview-2021

But I’m sure you’ll carry in with your path of accusations with again zero proof. You carry on defending that plastic box buddy!

@S1ayeR74 Oh dear, you just don't get that that is what they did. I am not claiming it's what they will do in the future, but there is no reason to think it's not. That is your claim, without evidence, that it will change.
You need to learn to read more carefully cause i said old - read last gen - and games that didn't reach sales targets.
Call me when they release current gen ones. Kay, thanks, bye bye!

@carlos82 True, but for the price of 3 games taking advantage of their Xbox Gold 1:1 conversion I have three years of Game Pass that lets me play a ton of third parties, first parties and all the rest they acquired. On my PS5 I'm hesitant to pay $70 for a new title. Did it only once and that was when I justified I was getting two Spider-Man games in one.

Sony has been dominating the home console market for over 25 years straight now in worldwide sales. Its the longest running videogame dynasty in the medium's existence (with the exception of the Nintendo Wii and possibly the Switch in the near future). Maybe that pisses some people off.

Its not about GamePass, PS Now, any peripheral services or functions, it's not even about which hardware is more capable.

Its about the games. Who has the better games you can only play on that particular system? Thats what it has ALWAYS has been about and probably always will be. We've just confused the issue with all this extra nonsense.

If Xbox wants to "pull ahead", they need to put out some good exclusive content. They do that, they will be better than fine. Better than Sony.

But so far they haven't. Exclusive content ranges from threadbare to nonexistent. Now if they put all that money tossing they did last year to good use, you could make a strong case for them... someday.

Just put out good games. That simple. Don't complicate it.