LogicStrikesAgain

@ElectricWizard

Yeah the Steam store isn't usually the cheapest place to get games.

That’s news to me honestly, i always hear people saying how much cheaper Steam is than Playstation, but looking at the list i made i’m quite frankly shocked at how much cheaper Playstation is compared to Steam

@TheArt I’d love it if PS got free online again, but they’ve got to make money back somehow, right? They can’t subsidize consoles and not make it back with games and services

@Bamila Fair enough. I don’t know how all of that works to be honest. But i was led to believe that games on Steam would be much cheaper than the PS Store. And it might be for some older games, but definitely not for games released this year apparently

So i just compared game prices on Steam and the PS Store (both currently having sales), and i’m kinda shocked to be honest. For info, i compared new titles that released this year, and all prices are in Euros:

ARC raiders: both 39,99
Call of Duty Black Ops 7: both 79,99
Clair Obscur Expedition 33: 39,99 on PS, 47,99 on Steam
Split Fiction: both 39,99
The Outer Worlds 2: 55,99 on PS, 69,99 on Steam
Hollow knight: Silksong: 19,99 on PS, 19,50 on Steam
Kingdome Come Deliverance 2: 41,99 on PS, 59,99 on Steam
Inazuma Eleven: both 69,99
Anno Pax Romana: both 59,99
Satisfactory: 39,99 on PS, 38,99 on Steam
Ninja gaiden 4: both 55,99
Blue prince: both 29,99
Dispatch: 34,99 on PS, 28,99 on Steam
NBA2k6: 35,99 on PS, 31,49 on Steam
Silent Hill F: 55,99 on PS, 79,99 on Steam
FC26: 39,99 on PS, 34,99 on Steam
Battlefield 6: 67,99 on PS, 59,49 on Steam
Assassins creed shadows: 47,99 on PS, 69,99 on Steam
Monster Hunter Wilds: 79,99 on PS, 69,99 on Steam
DOOM: The Dark Ages: 54,99 on PS, 79,99 on Steam
Sword of the Sea: 24,99 on PS, 28,99 on Steam

I was led to believe because Playstation subsidized their consoles, and PC is more expensive, that games were much cheaper to buy on Steam. Only to find out that sure some are a bit cheaper on Steam, but most games are priced the same, and overall Playstations prices are way lower like Kingdome Come Deliverance 2, Silent Hill F, Clair Obscure Expedition 33, Assassins Creed Shadows, DOOM: The Dark Ages and the Outer Worlds 2.
Sure a few games on Steam are anywhere from 1-10 euros cheaper, but some Playstation games are up to 25 euros! cheaper.

Maybe older games are cheaper on PC, but apparently games that came out this year are mostly the same or even much cheaper on Playstation. I’ve never checked Steam prices before, because i always assumed it was gonna be way cheaper, so this is a total shock to me. This kind of negates the argument of Steam games being much cheaper than the PS store, unless you’re searching for older games i guess.

Edit: So apparently, if my calculations are correct, if you were to purchase all these games, you’d pay 80 euros less in total if you bought them all on PS Store in stead of on Steam. And sure it’s a random list, but they are some of the most notable and top games of this year. Constantly hearing how cheap Steam is compared to PS, only to find out that buying 21 of the latest most notable games is 80 euros cheaper on Playstation, i’m baffled

Just a reminder, for all the people i’ve discussed PS5 (Pro) prices with. This is what subsidizing means

I agree, 2026 is already a stacked year for Sony first party with Saros, Wolverine, MLB26, Marathon and Marvel Tokon. There’s also the possibility Guerilla’s Horizon Online and the rumoured God of War 2.5d releasing on top of those.

Not to mention third party Playstation console exclusives like Nioh 3, Phantom Blade Zero, Chronoscript, Zero Parades and Loulan: The Cursed Sand.

And thats just what we know of so far, definitely a great year for Playstation users. Although i would’ve liked to see Intergalactic release nxt year as well, but if it’s not ready then it’s not ready. Naughty Dog delivers some of the best games, who am i to rush them

So one leaker is saying it definitey will be shown at the game awards, and one saying it wont. So one of them must be full of it, or has terrible insider sources. Can we start weeding out these leakers everytime they get things wrong?

The problem with the economic system is that people that have immense wealth can create much more wealth, even without doing anything, by buying more and more assets. This mechanism will always create a powerful elite class that owns much of the world. Wealth was distributed more fairly after world war 2 due to more progressive wealth(inheritance) and income taxs, but now we’ve slowly seen the return of weath concentrating at the top, this is an inevitable outcome of a capitalist system if left unchecked

I thought one of the advantages pc players mention is that pc is upgradable. Are pc players now willing to go back to a fixed hardware system?

I dont know how many, but certainly they got Best Action/Adventure in the bag with Ghost of Yotei. Probably also Best Adaptation with Last of Us S2.

And i think GTA6 doesnt deserve to win Most Anticipated every year, so i give that to Wolverine this year hehe

@GeeEssEff Thanks for the levelheaded response, and fair points overall! I apreciate the explanation, and I do admit i’m not a pc player so i didn’t really know about the hassle of pc launchers.

My two cents though, is that if Sony ever launched one i’d bet it would be better than Ubisofts one, or other smaller launchers. Sony has better experience with creating and maintaining large ecosystems than those smaller publishers. Also, they would probably know that their launcher needs to work fawless to even entice pc players. So i think it would be different, but this is all speculation of course

There is no evidence of a larger trend for the risk of PlayStation players switching to PC, as you are describing

Sorry to butt in, but the point you might be missing here is that they should anticipate new competitors strategies. That’s why Porco said: “sony potentially losing its users to the pc market is bad for its business in the long term”

Their PC strategy was fine, but now that Xbox is planning to put Steam on their next console and Valve announced their pc/console, i’m sure you could see how putting all their exclusive games on competitors systems might become detrimental for their own ecosystem right?

@UltimateOtaku91 Yeah, just saw that as well. I guess it really is just basically a made for mobile game, with a monetization strategy more tailored for mobile. That’s probably the reason why they didnt want this to launch on console as a f2p game

I must be spacing out, but i managed to overlook the whole gameplay trailer!

That looks incredible! Playstation’s initial mobile push with Horizon, Destiny and Ratchet is strong!

I hope Guerilla’s PS5 Online console version is ready to announce soon!

I think Sony should seriously consider launching their own PC launcher, even if it’ll initialy meet resistance from pc players. Eventually people will install it, especially if Sony eventually takes their IP off Steam and new Sony releases launch exclusively on their own launcher. It’s not like PC sales are their main profit model, its more like a bonus anyway.

People who truly want to play their games will install the launcher. Also dont quite understand why it’s so annoying for pc players to install a new launcher, isnt this like installing an app or something?

Anyway, business wise, its probably best to be selective about which games they port to PC or how much time in between console and pc release. Especially in light of these next gen consoles being able to play their exclusives via Steam and therefore creating less differentiation from their console

I’m one of few that liked the beta. It wasn’t amazing or anything, but i thought it was ok. Wasn’t bothered with the character design either. Still dont really know what was wrong with the characters. However, i have never played Overwatch or similar game, so i didnt have anything to compare it to. All i knew was it was pretty cool

@RobN Yes, this sounds perfectly plausible to me. Sony might have guessed that they’d be roasted for releasing a “mobile quality” game as the next Horizon entry on console.

Only thing, as Sammy said earlier, they probably should have announced it simultaneously to avoid confusion

I think it looks fun. But i dont play games on mobile. Good for the hundreds of millions of people that do though.

I think most people on here aren’t the target audience. But i have no qualms with Sony trying to get a share of the mobile market, like every other publisher is doing

Maybe Sony wants there to be a clear differentiation between their new mobile games and their console games. And maybe Guerilla just wants to properly showcase their own Online console version, since its still their IP. I dunno, it’s all a bit weird.

I am curious though, i actually think online has a lot of potential for the Horizon IP, so i’m excited to hear more

I bet most studios are using AI in their production pipeline by now

@nessisonett Meanwhile CoD releases it’s 22nd iteration tomorrow 😆

@Juanalf Funny, because other people always complain that Playstation Studios aren’t as prolific as earlier generations. I often hear “Uncharted 2 and 3 were released in the same console generation, why can’t Sony do it now?”

Now we’re getting a 2nd Horizon game coming to console this gen, and now people are upset about that lol. Sony really can’t win with it’s userbase.

That said, i would like to see them revive Killzone though, and yeah i wouldnt mind a new IP as well

@Oram77 Lol, i’ve noticed i tend to agree with a lot of your takes, so that checks out 👍🏼

I was always a bit confused on why there needed to be two online Horizon games. But maybe they just don’t want the mobile version to be associated with their main console platform or something.

Or NCsoft’s development pipeline for console games just isn’t as robust, since their main expertise is mobile/pc, so maybe Guerilla wanted to develop it themselves. It’s still their IP, so i can imagine they’d wanna showcase it in the best way.

Hmm, whatever it is, i’m curious to see more. I actually think online is a good fit for this IP

@truerbluer At the very least its hypocrite. If you were yelling that you dont want live service on ps5, you cant be complaining now. To those who weren’t, fair enough 👍🏼

I see this less as Sony not supporting its platform, but more as a push to mobile. It’s also an external developer.

I get what you’re saying though, and it is kinda weird they skipped the ps5. My guess is that NCsoft might not have a good console development pipeline since their main expertise is mobile/pc. And thats why we’re getting an online version by Guerilla as well. But i actually do hope they port this as well, because i like the concept

@Fiendish-Beaver Haha, thats true! Some people will always have something to complain about i guess. Fair points all around 👍🏼

@Fiendish-Beaver Is that the issue people had with Sony though? Are you saying they wouldnt mind if it were only PC?

I got the impression people just hated live service games over here based on their comments. Even though most seem to like Gran Turismo 7 and Helldivers 2.

Edit: Thinking about it, you do have a good point though. At least Neowiz doesnt seem to bring their games to console yet, so the people over here might not have the same complaints. Fair enough

Phase 1: Focusing on live services of main titles

Seeing as the crowd here is adamantly against publishers focusing on live service, i’m guessing Neowiz will get the same treatment like Sony got? 😉

@UltimateOtaku91 @Oram77 Good luck guys! You do realize you’re up against the Mr Caveat Man, famously known for moving goalposts mid discussion, right? 😝

I’m guessing the people who were dunking on Ghost of Yotei for it’s “weak” sales of 3.3m in a month, will be all over this right? Seeing as it took 9 months to sell 4m on multiple platforms.

Love this game btw! Still on my ever increasing ‘to play’ list though.

Congratulations Warhorse Studios!

@KawakiisaFraud I agree, they should really think about their PC approach. Personally i think they should seriously consider their own PC launcher. Even if pc players might resist installing it at first, eventually they will come. Especially if Playstation existing IP’s gradually move from Steam to their own launcher and new games start exclusively launching there. It’s not like PC revenue is their main profit model, it’s more like an bonus anyway

So it seems play does have limits; your own platform.

I also find it hilarious how the new marketing slogan "It happens on PS5" was announced just days before

What I find hilarious is how some people didnt want free to play live service mmo’s to come to ps5, and now they’re upset its not coming to ps5 🤣

@T-Bone09

I think NCsoft is more a pc/mobile developer anyway. I dont even think they have console games, like pc/mobile mmorpgs are what they’re known for i believe.

I think i was being pretty nuanced when i said this. Even though they might have dabbled in console games, they are primarily known for pc/mobile

@Oram77 Don’t forget Marathon, it’s also a first party title 😉

Rockstar edging its fanbase with the RDR2 PS5 release again, i see

You’d think that NCSoft developing this, a studio primarily known for pc/mobile mmorpgs, was enough to let people know that the mobile market was going to be the target audience here

@OmegaStriver Maybe it’s a resource thing. I think NCsoft is more a pc/mobile developer anyway. I dont even think they have console games, like pc/mobile mmorpgs are what they’re known for i believe. But i’m sure if this is even remotely succesfull it’ll have a ps5 port in no time, maybe Nixxes could help

If going by the trailer, this might be one of the best looking free to play games i’ve seen

To all the people complaining that its currently only mobile/pc. This wasnt made for you. It’s made for the hundreds of millions, if not billion people that do play on mobile/pc. They also just announced a Racther and Clank for mobile, and not the PS5. Sony is just trying to get a piece of the pie like every other publisher. Suck it up and move on

I have no interest in Fortnite personally. But yeah, seeing as they own a 5% stake in Epic Games, these kinds of deals seem like a no brainer

To all the people complaining that its currently only mobile/pc. This wasnt made for you. It’s made for the hundreds of millions, if not billion people that do play on mobile/pc. Sony is just trying to get a piece of the pie like every other publisher. Suck it up and move on.

The whining in these comment sections sometimes, geez…

@nessisonett Wow, thats some next level glass half empty energy. Hardly know anything yet, but already calling it bland and exploitative? 😆

I for one think this might be pretty cool actually. I thought this NCsoft game was cancelled. But I’ve always thought a MMO style would fit the Horizon IP. Playing with thousands of people and taming mechanical beasts in horizon’s world sounds cool. Heck, i’d want Horizon 3 to have an online component to it! And the trailer looks dope as well.

Although i dont really understand the need for a seperate Horizon Online co op PS5 game. Why wouldn’t they just make a PS5 version for this one? I know NCsoft is primarily a pc/mobile developer, but maybe Nixxes can help them port this

Looks like pretty good fun actually

@species

yet all the trailers were in english 🤭

Of course, these games release globally, so studios make english trailers. It takes time and money to make trailers. They arent going to make specific Japanese trailers for this show alone, that would be a waste of resources.

But the presentation itself was Japanese, i dont know about you but i couldn't read any of the summaries

One of the best games of the show imo

Sony tweeted: “A special broadcast curated for gamers in Japan and Asia”

Meanwhile western audience: I didn’t like it! 😭

I was more disappointed by the lack of release date, but oh well, life goes on

@Hylian-Likely Or maybe some people just have different tastes than you?

Glad to see the Japanese audience getting a price cut 👍🏼