I love seeing Sony take so many L's lately. Maybe they'll finally make a good game again
Some people seem to think that low sales = bad game. Unfortunately that is not always the case, and at least according to 119 critic reviews this is a very good game.
So not sure why you would be celebrating good games doing bad in this industry, we should probably wish for the opposite to let Sony know we want these games in stead of live service titles people despise so much
Didn’t this release the last day of April? The game is a bit too niche to sell more in 1 day than the rest on the list. Although, it’ll probably still not do very big numbers, but i’m sure Sony expected that. Didn’t know the budget was only $70m though, thats pretty good!
Sony already had marketing deals for 7 different GTA games and nothing came out of it, all of those games went to Xbox day and date 3- Marketing deal is marketing, not publishing rights, not exclusivity and nothing else
I’m pretty sure everyone here understands that this is just an marketing deal. No one is thinking that Sony is suddenly publishing a Take Two Interactive game, or thinking this is suddenly a Playstation exclusive
I should clarify: I don't like echo chambers with all the same people who share my opinion. This one is entertaining because of how much people glaze Sony's every move without questioning anything. Playstation was fire before they tripled down on live service games then decided to pass all of the costs of their mistakes on to the consumer. The games exclusively for ps5 are kinda arse compared to past generations. PS Plus is exorbitant now, and their hardware prices keeps climbing. Now the whole DRM thing is popping up. At what point do people stop suckling off their teet and realize they're getting screwed? It's amusing to me to see the fanboys come up with excuses for their corporate overlords
Fair enough, I have my own nuanced takes on all of that, and i dont necessarily absolve Sony from critique, even though i’m a Playstation enthousiast. You probably wouldnt agree, as you see me in a certain light, but i actually think some fans on here and myself are actually quite nuanced with their takes on Playstation and the larger gaming industry.
We’re not all fanboys glazing over their corporate overlords, suckingon its teets, or whatever derogatory things you came up with in this short interaction of ours 😉
@8bitOG A lot of sequels are like that, though. Think Doom > Doom Returnal, its not like they reinvented the wheel, its basically the same game mechanics in a slightly different suit, with some iterative improvements.
Especially for an ip like Spider Man, where the location is always going to be the same, its hard to make many changes in that regard.
But even then, they still added a whole new section of New York which made the map almost twice! the size of previous games, , the combat system was totally reworked, you got a new story, got to play as Venom, heck they even added a whole new traversel mechanic by being able to fly lol.
I will slightly agree with the mediocre writing though, but i still enjoyed the game personally, i just really enjoy the gameplay mechanics
@8bitOG Those sequels all score high on hundreds of critic scores, and all but Gran Turismo 7, also score high in thousands of user scores. Some have even won multiple awards or have been nominated for GOTY. That is far more objective than your subjective opinion about them being mid.
Like if i would say Elden Ring or Clair Obscur is mid, or that Gollum is the best game ever, that’s fine, but also very subjective. If we can’t go by critical acclaim and recognition by industry awards, than we have nothing to base the quality of games on anymore.
Doesnt meant you cant dislike those sequels, thats totally fair. But saying they’re objectively mid and suggesting Push Square should have an “honest” article about them being mid is just very subjective, and you know it. You’re conflating personal opinion with objectivity, and you think i’m a fanboy for pointing out the difference, but you dont even know what i personally think of all those sequels 😉
(Marathon isnt a sequel, so i wasnt reffering to that, since you clearly said all of their sequels are mid, so thats what i reacted to)
I prefer not to reside in echo chambers, but thanks for the tip! (Plus, it's way more fun to see fanboys trip over themselves to glaze a company like Sony)
Lol, what? Thats a bit contradictory. If you dont want echo chambers, i’d stay clear of fan sites. Good day, mate! 💪🏼
literally all of your points are subjective as well
I think you’re missing the difference between subjective opinion and objective fact. The only 2 things i said were that those games are among the highest rated games this generation, thats measurable data. And i quoted where the article does talk about the Day 1 strategy being the reason of lower sales. These aren’t subjective reasoning at all, but i’m not going to argue further.
Also, i would advise you, that this is a Playstation fan site, and if you want more neutral gaming industry insights i’d definitey suggest other websites.
All of the sequels, in my opinion, are just recycled assets. I enjoyed Ragnarök well enough, but it didn't have the same magic as its predecessor. Plus, giving away all of the puzzles before you could solve them was extremely annoying.
That’s fine, but still all totally subjective.
I understand that you are far too in love with ps to see any of their faults
I could react to your comment, but if you just see blind fanaticism in my comments than i guess it makes no sense for me to reply to your comments as you have already decided to read into it in a certain way.
I think i reason my arguments fairly well, at least i try to. I havent really said anything that isn’t true. So far your arguments have consisted mostly of subjective reasoning and untrue statements, and you ended with a nice ad hominem attack implying i’m unable to reason fairly.
Lets just enjoy the weekend, i hope its nice weather where you’re at as well! 👍🏼☀️
@8bitOG Still nothing about that first comment was actually true, though.
But to react to your new comment:
Or have an honest reflection of how mid all of these sequels are
Saying all these sequels are mid is subjective, some of them are still some of the highest rated games of this generation like God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7, Spider Man 2, , HFW, R&C: Rift Apart etc. so what would constitute a honest reflection? Does it have to agree with your opinion to be considered as “honest”?
and that pc sales were hamstrung by dated release
The article does adress the fact that not doing a Day 1 strategy on PC will have impacted their sales, but i guess you didnt bother to read it?
Of course, the counterpoint to this would be that it took almost two years for the title to be ported to Steam, but therein lies the dilemma.
Sony is not stupid and will know that it could increase the sales of these PC ports if it launched them day-and-date with PS5, but the company is in the business of selling consoles and that kind of approach would have a profound impact on its tried and trusted business model
@Rich33 Exactly! And if Playstation keeps porting all their ips to PC, and Xbox Helix releases with Steam on it, we might see the same thing happen to Playstation. They will have effectively given away one of the few differentiators they have for making their console attractive, and that will seriously damage the brand in the long run, i believe
Sammy and pushsquare single handedly attempting to keep console wars alive because there are no new games to report on. The number of articles that recycle the same topics over and over are a testament to how few games this generation has produced. Sony's live service flops are more numerous than actual games since the ps5 dropped.
Nothing in your comment is actually true, you know that right?
@Skinny-Pete Exclusives exist in many forms, from cars, burgers, and definitely other types of media services. It’s a legitimate way for a business to entice people to buy a product or service. The console business have always had exclusives, it’s one of the ways these console platform holders compete for users. I don’t understand the problem, as it only makes up a very small percentage of their total library, and its used to differentiate their product from their competitors, which is totally legitimate in my book
And this is exactly the reason Playstation takes brand damage by sharing IP’s very seriously. Xbox has experiences first hand the effect of dilluting your brand, it can create the perception that your console isn’t needed. It’s not about short term revenue. Some of these exclusive IPs like the Last of Us or God of War aren’t just games, they are core to the identity of the brand itself. When you think Playstation, you think about their exclusives.
And while this sounds pretty obvious to most, i’m surprised some people on here still fail to grasp this. Even some of the regulars here, who i believe have a solid knowledge of the industry, will argue how important it is for Playstation to go after the short term revenue of PC, even with the risk of dilluting their brand
@AtomB I don’t know what the sales numbers for Xbox titles on PC are. I can see it having many reasons that might differ from game to game, but a big one is obviously that Sony wasn’t doing a Day 1 strategy like Xbox. Having said that, i’ll refer you to an earlier comment i posted above:
I’m surprised some of the regulars here still don’t seem to understand that it’s not that Sony doesnt understand that these ports would sell more if they were day 1, it’s just that going day 1 on pc for everything can never be the game plan if you’re in the business of selling consoles
@KundaliniRising333 Do you genuinely think Playstation porting over all their IP’s to their competitors is the best long term move for their brand?
I genuinely don’t believe it is. It’s one of the few leverages they have in order for people to buy their consoles. Especially considering that their competitors will have the Steam store available on their consoles, effectively making Playstation titles multiplat (if they keep porting everything), and thereby removing one of the few incentives that sets them apart from their competitors.
Look at what happened when Xbox ported over all their IP’s to Playstation, it has significantly affected how people perceive the need to buy an Xbox or continue investing in the brand.
If all these platforms just play the same games without any exclusives to differentiate them, then eventually people will just choose the cheapest console on the market, and seeing as Microsoft has the money to spare, they could easily price out Playstation, putting them at a serious disadvantage
I get the shot term reveneu benefits, but long term i dont think its the best strategy for their brand
I’m so curious to see what this will be, ND doing sci-fi just sounds awesome. I know the trailer was controversial, but it pushed the right buttons for me. The retro future aesthetics, and the sound design 😍
Steam may have a larger exclusive library, but very few of those are truly notable i think. I do think Playstation’s exclusives can hold its own value in the industry compared to Steams library. Some of these Playstation (former)exclusives are some of the best games in the industry. Most exclusives that are worthwhile on Steam have been ported to Playstation already, except for a few games like WoW, Star Citizen etc.
I’m surprised some of the regulars here still don’t seem to understand that it’s not that Sony doesnt understand that these ports would sell more if they were day 1, it’s just that going day 1 on pc for everything can never be the game plan if you’re in the business of selling consoles
@JaxonH Fair enough. I do think Nintendo will increase it’s pricing as well though.
I suspect Sony is trying to overprice wkth shock and awe so that they can launch a digital-only PS6 for $700 and make it seem like a massive discount, deal of the century
I think you’re right. And i’m not mad at it. My opinion is that prices can’t hover around $500 indefinitely. And a PS6 coming out in 2028 for $699 would be awesome if they can price it like that. Compared to the probably high priced Steam Machine and Helix, PS6 might actually win the generation from the start with a sticker price like that
One of my most anticipated titles of the year! I’m glad i dont have Marvel fatigue, since i basically stopped watching Marvel films after Endgame. And a wolverine game just sounds awesome. I believe there’s just been one decent Wolverine game in the past, it’s never been as prolific as spiderman games. I hope Insomniac nails this one was as well
@RoomWithaMoose Dr Strangelove and Everywhere, Everything all at once are easy 9/10s in my book. For reference, of the 1300+ films, i have only scored a handful of films a 10/10, so i also consider those 2 top tier.
Yeah, Kubrick is one of my favourite directors, and Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket and A Clockwork Orange couldve easily been added to my list above!
I do love Tarantino’s new work, all oustanding films, but i have a soft spot for Reservoir Dogs, it was his first film i watched as a kid and i was totally enamoured by it.
Hot fuzz still on my watchlist, but i havent seen Scrooge and your number 1 pick. I actually had to look up the last one, because i’ve never heard of it. Is it the hand drawn animation film? Anyway, it looked intriguing, so i added it to my watchlist! 👍🏼
@RoomWithaMoose I see your point. And funnily enough, i actually am more of a cinephile than a hardcore gamer 😄
I have seen a very broad mix of films, yes including the Kurosawas and Bergmans, and from the silent era to modern day.
Funny thing, even with films there are franchises i feel less interested in watching like The Raiders of the Ark films for example. I know they’re highly acclaimed (modern) classics, but i keep pushing them to the end of my watchlist because of lack interest. So i guess i do the same with films as with some game franchises 😅
I'm more amazed people aren't calling out how weird all this fake traction is with Microsoft right now
I know right, it all seems like marketing speak, but people are eating it up like crazy, without much discernment. Dont get me wrong, its good if its true, but so far i’m not really seeing what the plan is, but people are already treating Asha as the saviour of the brand. I will never get why some over at team green act so cult-y towards a ceo in the first place 😵💫
It's more weird that people come here and tell this player base how to feel about any of this
Exactly, i dont get why some feel the need to police Playstation fans on a PS fansite so much. It’s like going to a opposite sports teams fan forum, and telling people they should cheer for the other teams as well 😅
@RoomWithaMoose I do get the surface comparison, and i will agree that if you’re truly invested in gaming you will at least have tried a few different acclaimed titles. But i dont quite agree that a hardcore gamer, is always the same equivalent as a cinephile. Gaming is many ways a very different medium.
Some people enjoy completely different kinds of gaming mechanics than others. I can easily see how some can be a hardcore gamer and never even try certain gaming genres. For example someone who’s played Halo and Gears of War, may have never played Metal Gear or Final Fantasy, even though they’re equally major/essential franchises.
I think because genres matter much more in gaming than it does in cinema, since playing something is very different than passively watching. It also takes way much more of a time commitment to play some games (50+ hrs) compared to most films (around 2hrs).
And in some cases, very hardcore gamers, like speedrunners or highly competitive Esport players, onky specialize in certain genres like RTS, FPS or platformers for example, or sometimes they just become an expert in just 1 particular game. Definitely hardcore i’d say, but not quite broad in terms of overall gaming experiences
@RoomWithaMoose Fair enough. I’m actually more than willing to try some of those titles out. It’s just that i have such a huge backlog, and honestly, i do need to be at least a bit interested in a game for me to motivate myself to try one out. I’m also not really keen on playing older titles that much, but definitely open to try out future installments of those franchises. I do have an interest in trying out Starfield (even though it’s not really Bethesda’s finest), but there’s so much i’m interested in buying this year, that it’s going to the end of the queue.
Btw, it’s not that i dont see value in that list. I can recognize that some are highly acclaimed. It’s just because i’ve never played those franchises, so i have no nostalgia for them, that’s why that list doesnt really do much for me, and why it wouldnt bother me personally if they all became exclusive.
Also, i definitely dont consoder myself a hardcore gamer. More of a regular gamer with an interest in the wider industry of gaming and technology.
Edit: I forgot, i actually have played the original Doom on PC. But played it a few years later after release, because i was too young at the time. But at that point i was more of a PS1 kid, and i remember Doom and first person shooters in general not really beingmy cup of tea back then
@somnambulance Fair enough if you’re not into Marvel, but tbf Sony only released 2 Marvel games this gen, with 2 upcoming for a total of 4.
But that pales in comparison to the amount of non Marvel games they published this gen.
Btw I’d also like a new Ratchet & Clank, and unless those Insomniac leaks have changed, then there definitely still is a Ratchet & Clank in the pipeline, so 🤞🏼
I was hyped ever since i saw the Venom games in the insomniac leaks, but i figured it had been cancelled by now. It would be awesome if they surprised us with an announcement
“Our new north star will be daily active users” - Xbox
I think that already says a lot in terms of their exclusivity strategy. Exclusives kind of gets in the way of getting games to as many players for the most active daily users.
But the industry has been so unpredictable, that i cant guess whats going to happen anymore. I do think they’ll continue to port most games over though, and if not, that’s fine as well 🤷🏻♂️
@RoomWithaMoose Dont know what to yell ya. I’m not saying those aren’t good games, i’m just saying i have never been interested in those franchises. I guess we just have different tastes 🤷🏻♂️
I grew up playing franchises like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, DMC, Street Fighter, God of War, Tekken, Killzone, Gran Turismo, GTA, , FIFA, , Mario, Shadow of the Colossus etc.
In more modern times games like Spiderman, God of War, Uncharted, Infamous, Last of Us, Ghost of, Death Stranding, Red Dead Redemption, Elden Ring, The Witcher, Astro Bot, Dave the Diver, Humanity etc.
I did play Crash Bandicoot when i was a kid on PS1. Played OG Halo for about half an hour, but never played Gears, never played any Bethesda game, no Fallout, no Elder Scrolls, no DOOM, no Wolfenstein, no Diablo, no Perfect Dark, no Mincecrat, no Fable, no Banjo Kazooie, no Sea of Thieves, no Hellblade etc. I just wasn’t really attracted to these games.
However, i did play a LOT of COD and Age of Empires back in the day though, but havent touched those in about a decade either.
So yeah this might be surprising to you, but to me that list is kinda meh, no interest, no nostalgic factor, nothing. Again, that’s just for me personally, but i also said that many would probably find much to enjoy from that list. And it doesnt mean that future games in those franchises won’t interest me, they might
@SMJ I say do it. I’ve always said exclusives help sell consoles. I think it’s one of the few ways they could really succeed in selling consoles.
For me personally, that list just doesnt do it for me. Even before Microsoft bought those two publishers these weren’t my type of games. I’ve played maybe 5 games from that whole list. So for me it wouldn’t really change anything, but i’m sure there are many that might be pursuaded to buy an Xbox if they were all made exclusive
Is it just me or are these comment sections turning into a xbox fan club lately? Not saying there are any undercover xbox fans in here, but i’m suspicioius 😂
Yes yes go buy this 900 dollar console right now. Totally worth it 👍
Lmfao
People spend money on what they value. I know people that have spent 40K on a car, or spent 3000 euro on fireworks, 1500 on a new GPU or biyearly buy the new Iphone Pro.
Personally I wouldn’t spend that on those things, but i will never get why others would laugh or mock people that spend money on something they genuinely enjoy.
We're all gaming nerds here bro, no need to shame others for their purchase if you dont think its worth it to you.
Maybe some people havent bought a PS5 yet, maybe they're not interested in a PS6, and they figure a PS5 Pro will hold them through a probable long cross gen period, all valid reasons
I hvent seen anything yet, still at work. But what’s wrong with characters faces? I read they’re not great? Looks pretty great to me (at least the pic above)
It’s not for me, but then many popular games of today arent for me. I was just expecting something very different, but it doesnt look bad at all, and i’m sure Guerilla will deliver quality gameplay, so it looks like something that might very well find an audience
It’s always been clear to me that Sony had the more sustainable strategy. Xbox banked on them getting to 100m subscribers by the end of the decade, to make the cost of putting all their games Day 1 on the service sustainable, but they grossly overestimated how fast the market would grow
All we’ve seen is a cgi trailer 3 years ago. Really makes no sense for me to say anything about this yet. F2P gives it a chance, i guess. I just really wonder why they went through with this one? Do they think it has promise? Of all the live service titles they had in development, i always thought this would be the one they would cancel
That team of directors doesnt really instill me with a lot of confidence. Sony man, put some effort on this one, geez!
Although, i believe that Bloodlines was one of the better entries in the series, so i’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
This IP could be epic as a movie. Don’t F this up Sony! Y’all are close with Kojima, at least have him consult
Btw, am i the only one not surprised by these costs? I feel like $200m-$300m has been the average for a while now for a typical triple A game. Games like HFW, Elden Ring and Star Wars Outlaws were all around the $200m+ mark. And i believe we already surpassed costs like these years ago. Wasn’t Battlefield 6 like 400m or something? Or every CoD $300m+? GTA6 is already in the billions according to rumours 😅
The comparison with other goods makes no sense. If you buy a box cereal, Nestle doesn't get extra money from you from Nestle plus, there are no MTX and no gifts you can buy with the box (think DLC)
You’re right. The business model of the console has always been to be cheaper than PC, and make money back through software. But maybe that business model is under pressure because of rising costs. I understand that Sony took huge losses before, but that just might not be sustainable anymore.
It’s unrealistic to think console prices can stay frozen forever, when everything else rises. There comes a point that console might have to increase in price as well, or else the gap just becomes larger and larger, and it becomes harder and harder to make the money back through software.
I dont think it’s totally unreasonable to look at the economy as a whole. It’s not like Sony operates in a vacuum. Inflation has affected everything from logistics to salaries. The larger economy will also have an impact on their business models, even business models that have been stable for a long time might need to change.
People dont want $70 games, dont want more expensive hardware, dont wanna pay for PS+, they dnt want to be presented with the bill. And ofcourse i can understand that, but how are these companies supposed to operate then? Somethings got to give. Component costs has skyrocketed. Development costs has shot through the roof. Rumours say GTA6 cost is already in the $Billions. This isn’t just a Sony problem.
They have done the numbers, and even though they know that increasing prices will lower sales, they must have calculated that that is still better than the alternative. There’s so much going on in the industry, its not just as simple as “why doesnt Sony just keep it at $499 and sell it with a loss” (paraphrasing some comments here)
I’m not saying i’m happy with these prices. But one thing i don't understand is when people say that these prices are ridiculous. If Sony were the only one raising prices, i’d understand.
But Xbox prices have increased, Switch, PC prices have surged, houses have almost doubled in price the last decade, groceries, phones costs $1500. A 3 course dinner sets me back around €120 nowadays.
Like literally everything has gotten more expensive.
But somehow Sony is the one that’s ridiculous with these prices? Do people expect their business to operate in a vacuum? Are they immune to the rest of the market and the world economy?
I understand people are disappointed. And i’d like PS5’s to be cheaper as well. But how can we genuinely expect the PS5 to stay at $499 or even lower when literally everything else is getting more expensive?
To be clear, this isnt to excuse Sony. I’m just genuinely confused as to why people seemingly accept or understand higher prices everywhere, except for with the PS5, then all of a sudden it’s ridiculous 😅
And again, i’m not saying these prices aren’t high. But they are in line with global price increases overall
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Re: Poor Start for PS5 Exclusive Saros as First Sales Data Emerges
@BroodWeasel
Some people seem to think that low sales = bad game. Unfortunately that is not always the case, and at least according to 119 critic reviews this is a very good game.
So not sure why you would be celebrating good games doing bad in this industry, we should probably wish for the opposite to let Sony know we want these games in stead of live service titles people despise so much
Re: Poor Start for PS5 Exclusive Saros as First Sales Data Emerges
Didn’t this release the last day of April? The game is a bit too niche to sell more in 1 day than the rest on the list. Although, it’ll probably still not do very big numbers, but i’m sure Sony expected that. Didn’t know the budget was only $70m though, thats pretty good!
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@UltimateOtaku91 Wait, is that really confirmed for this?
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Looks good. Never played the original, i might try it out this time
Re: PlayStation Seemingly Lands GTA 6 PS5 Marketing Deal
@alienwithin
I’m pretty sure everyone here understands that this is just an marketing deal. No one is thinking that Sony is suddenly publishing a Take Two Interactive game, or thinking this is suddenly a Playstation exclusive
Re: PlayStation Seemingly Lands GTA 6 PS5 Marketing Deal
Summer showcase with GTA6 gameplay opening the show? 🤔🤞🏼
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I love what he’s saying there! Excited to see more now 👍🏼
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@8bitOG
Fair enough, I have my own nuanced takes on all of that, and i dont necessarily absolve Sony from critique, even though i’m a Playstation enthousiast. You probably wouldnt agree, as you see me in a certain light, but i actually think some fans on here and myself are actually quite nuanced with their takes on Playstation and the larger gaming industry.
We’re not all fanboys glazing over their corporate overlords, suckingon its teets, or whatever derogatory things you came up with in this short interaction of ours 😉
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@8bitOG A lot of sequels are like that, though. Think Doom > Doom Returnal, its not like they reinvented the wheel, its basically the same game mechanics in a slightly different suit, with some iterative improvements.
Especially for an ip like Spider Man, where the location is always going to be the same, its hard to make many changes in that regard.
But even then, they still added a whole new section of New York which made the map almost twice! the size of previous games, , the combat system was totally reworked, you got a new story, got to play as Venom, heck they even added a whole new traversel mechanic by being able to fly lol.
I will slightly agree with the mediocre writing though, but i still enjoyed the game personally, i just really enjoy the gameplay mechanics
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@8bitOG Those sequels all score high on hundreds of critic scores, and all but Gran Turismo 7, also score high in thousands of user scores. Some have even won multiple awards or have been nominated for GOTY. That is far more objective than your subjective opinion about them being mid.
Like if i would say Elden Ring or Clair Obscur is mid, or that Gollum is the best game ever, that’s fine, but also very subjective. If we can’t go by critical acclaim and recognition by industry awards, than we have nothing to base the quality of games on anymore.
Doesnt meant you cant dislike those sequels, thats totally fair. But saying they’re objectively mid and suggesting Push Square should have an “honest” article about them being mid is just very subjective, and you know it. You’re conflating personal opinion with objectivity, and you think i’m a fanboy for pointing out the difference, but you dont even know what i personally think of all those sequels 😉
(Marathon isnt a sequel, so i wasnt reffering to that, since you clearly said all of their sequels are mid, so thats what i reacted to)
Lol, what? Thats a bit contradictory. If you dont want echo chambers, i’d stay clear of fan sites. Good day, mate! 💪🏼
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@8bitOG
I think you’re missing the difference between subjective opinion and objective fact. The only 2 things i said were that those games are among the highest rated games this generation, thats measurable data. And i quoted where the article does talk about the Day 1 strategy being the reason of lower sales. These aren’t subjective reasoning at all, but i’m not going to argue further.
Also, i would advise you, that this is a Playstation fan site, and if you want more neutral gaming industry insights i’d definitey suggest other websites.
The sun is shining, lets both touch some grass 😂
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@8bitOG
Nothing to say about your first comment? 😉
That’s fine, but still all totally subjective.
I could react to your comment, but if you just see blind fanaticism in my comments than i guess it makes no sense for me to reply to your comments as you have already decided to read into it in a certain way.
I think i reason my arguments fairly well, at least i try to. I havent really said anything that isn’t true. So far your arguments have consisted mostly of subjective reasoning and untrue statements, and you ended with a nice ad hominem attack implying i’m unable to reason fairly.
Lets just enjoy the weekend, i hope its nice weather where you’re at as well! 👍🏼☀️
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@8bitOG Still nothing about that first comment was actually true, though.
But to react to your new comment:
Saying all these sequels are mid is subjective, some of them are still some of the highest rated games of this generation like God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7, Spider Man 2, , HFW, R&C: Rift Apart etc. so what would constitute a honest reflection? Does it have to agree with your opinion to be considered as “honest”?
The article does adress the fact that not doing a Day 1 strategy on PC will have impacted their sales, but i guess you didnt bother to read it?
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@Rich33 Exactly! And if Playstation keeps porting all their ips to PC, and Xbox Helix releases with Steam on it, we might see the same thing happen to Playstation. They will have effectively given away one of the few differentiators they have for making their console attractive, and that will seriously damage the brand in the long run, i believe
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@8bitOG
Nothing in your comment is actually true, you know that right?
Re: Gamers Still Pick Consoles for Exclusives, New Data Finds
@Skinny-Pete Exclusives exist in many forms, from cars, burgers, and definitely other types of media services. It’s a legitimate way for a business to entice people to buy a product or service. The console business have always had exclusives, it’s one of the ways these console platform holders compete for users. I don’t understand the problem, as it only makes up a very small percentage of their total library, and its used to differentiate their product from their competitors, which is totally legitimate in my book
Re: Gamers Still Pick Consoles for Exclusives, New Data Finds
And this is exactly the reason Playstation takes brand damage by sharing IP’s very seriously. Xbox has experiences first hand the effect of dilluting your brand, it can create the perception that your console isn’t needed. It’s not about short term revenue. Some of these exclusive IPs like the Last of Us or God of War aren’t just games, they are core to the identity of the brand itself. When you think Playstation, you think about their exclusives.
And while this sounds pretty obvious to most, i’m surprised some people on here still fail to grasp this. Even some of the regulars here, who i believe have a solid knowledge of the industry, will argue how important it is for Playstation to go after the short term revenue of PC, even with the risk of dilluting their brand
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@AtomB I don’t know what the sales numbers for Xbox titles on PC are. I can see it having many reasons that might differ from game to game, but a big one is obviously that Sony wasn’t doing a Day 1 strategy like Xbox. Having said that, i’ll refer you to an earlier comment i posted above:
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
@KundaliniRising333 Do you genuinely think Playstation porting over all their IP’s to their competitors is the best long term move for their brand?
I genuinely don’t believe it is. It’s one of the few leverages they have in order for people to buy their consoles. Especially considering that their competitors will have the Steam store available on their consoles, effectively making Playstation titles multiplat (if they keep porting everything), and thereby removing one of the few incentives that sets them apart from their competitors.
Look at what happened when Xbox ported over all their IP’s to Playstation, it has significantly affected how people perceive the need to buy an Xbox or continue investing in the brand.
If all these platforms just play the same games without any exclusives to differentiate them, then eventually people will just choose the cheapest console on the market, and seeing as Microsoft has the money to spare, they could easily price out Playstation, putting them at a serious disadvantage
I get the shot term reveneu benefits, but long term i dont think its the best strategy for their brand
Re: 'It's a Different Side to Naughty Dog': Intergalatic's Tati Gabrielle Talks Up New PS5 Exclusive
I’m so curious to see what this will be, ND doing sci-fi just sounds awesome. I know the trailer was controversial, but it pushed the right buttons for me. The retro future aesthetics, and the sound design 😍
Hope we see more soon!
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
Steam may have a larger exclusive library, but very few of those are truly notable i think. I do think Playstation’s exclusives can hold its own value in the industry compared to Steams library. Some of these Playstation (former)exclusives are some of the best games in the industry. Most exclusives that are worthwhile on Steam have been ported to Playstation already, except for a few games like WoW, Star Citizen etc.
Re: These Numbers Explain Why Sony Is Stopping Porting PS5 Games to PC
I’m surprised some of the regulars here still don’t seem to understand that it’s not that Sony doesnt understand that these ports would sell more if they were day 1, it’s just that going day 1 on pc for everything can never be the game plan if you’re in the business of selling consoles
Re: PS5 Price Hike Hits Japan Hard as PS5 Pro Sales Sink to Xbox Levels
@JaxonH Fair enough. I do think Nintendo will increase it’s pricing as well though.
I think you’re right. And i’m not mad at it. My opinion is that prices can’t hover around $500 indefinitely. And a PS6 coming out in 2028 for $699 would be awesome if they can price it like that. Compared to the probably high priced Steam Machine and Helix, PS6 might actually win the generation from the start with a sticker price like that
Re: Wolverine PS5 Updates Still Coming in the Next Few Weeks
One of my most anticipated titles of the year! I’m glad i dont have Marvel fatigue, since i basically stopped watching Marvel films after Endgame. And a wolverine game just sounds awesome. I believe there’s just been one decent Wolverine game in the past, it’s never been as prolific as spiderman games. I hope Insomniac nails this one was as well
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
@RoomWithaMoose Dr Strangelove and Everywhere, Everything all at once are easy 9/10s in my book. For reference, of the 1300+ films, i have only scored a handful of films a 10/10, so i also consider those 2 top tier.
Yeah, Kubrick is one of my favourite directors, and Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket and A Clockwork Orange couldve easily been added to my list above!
I do love Tarantino’s new work, all oustanding films, but i have a soft spot for Reservoir Dogs, it was his first film i watched as a kid and i was totally enamoured by it.
Hot fuzz still on my watchlist, but i havent seen Scrooge and your number 1 pick. I actually had to look up the last one, because i’ve never heard of it. Is it the hand drawn animation film? Anyway, it looked intriguing, so i added it to my watchlist! 👍🏼
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
Hmmm not really. I do rate films on imdb though, and here are a few of my highest rated:
Some great films i’ve recently watched:
Its hard to condence it to a top 5 or 10 though, i’ve currently rated over 1300 films, with so many great ones among them
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
@RoomWithaMoose I see your point. And funnily enough, i actually am more of a cinephile than a hardcore gamer 😄
I have seen a very broad mix of films, yes including the Kurosawas and Bergmans, and from the silent era to modern day.
Funny thing, even with films there are franchises i feel less interested in watching like The Raiders of the Ark films for example. I know they’re highly acclaimed (modern) classics, but i keep pushing them to the end of my watchlist because of lack interest. So i guess i do the same with films as with some game franchises 😅
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
@_Nightsever_
I know right, it all seems like marketing speak, but people are eating it up like crazy, without much discernment. Dont get me wrong, its good if its true, but so far i’m not really seeing what the plan is, but people are already treating Asha as the saviour of the brand. I will never get why some over at team green act so cult-y towards a ceo in the first place 😵💫
Exactly, i dont get why some feel the need to police Playstation fans on a PS fansite so much. It’s like going to a opposite sports teams fan forum, and telling people they should cheer for the other teams as well 😅
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
@RoomWithaMoose I do get the surface comparison, and i will agree that if you’re truly invested in gaming you will at least have tried a few different acclaimed titles. But i dont quite agree that a hardcore gamer, is always the same equivalent as a cinephile. Gaming is many ways a very different medium.
Some people enjoy completely different kinds of gaming mechanics than others. I can easily see how some can be a hardcore gamer and never even try certain gaming genres. For example someone who’s played Halo and Gears of War, may have never played Metal Gear or Final Fantasy, even though they’re equally major/essential franchises.
I think because genres matter much more in gaming than it does in cinema, since playing something is very different than passively watching. It also takes way much more of a time commitment to play some games (50+ hrs) compared to most films (around 2hrs).
And in some cases, very hardcore gamers, like speedrunners or highly competitive Esport players, onky specialize in certain genres like RTS, FPS or platformers for example, or sometimes they just become an expert in just 1 particular game. Definitely hardcore i’d say, but not quite broad in terms of overall gaming experiences
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
@RoomWithaMoose Fair enough. I’m actually more than willing to try some of those titles out. It’s just that i have such a huge backlog, and honestly, i do need to be at least a bit interested in a game for me to motivate myself to try one out. I’m also not really keen on playing older titles that much, but definitely open to try out future installments of those franchises. I do have an interest in trying out Starfield (even though it’s not really Bethesda’s finest), but there’s so much i’m interested in buying this year, that it’s going to the end of the queue.
Btw, it’s not that i dont see value in that list. I can recognize that some are highly acclaimed. It’s just because i’ve never played those franchises, so i have no nostalgia for them, that’s why that list doesnt really do much for me, and why it wouldnt bother me personally if they all became exclusive.
Also, i definitely dont consoder myself a hardcore gamer. More of a regular gamer with an interest in the wider industry of gaming and technology.
Edit: I forgot, i actually have played the original Doom on PC. But played it a few years later after release, because i was too young at the time. But at that point i was more of a PS1 kid, and i remember Doom and first person shooters in general not really beingmy cup of tea back then
Re: Uncertainty Surrounds Rumoured Venom PS5 Game
@somnambulance Fair enough if you’re not into Marvel, but tbf Sony only released 2 Marvel games this gen, with 2 upcoming for a total of 4.
But that pales in comparison to the amount of non Marvel games they published this gen.
Btw I’d also like a new Ratchet & Clank, and unless those Insomniac leaks have changed, then there definitely still is a Ratchet & Clank in the pipeline, so 🤞🏼
Re: Uncertainty Surrounds Rumoured Venom PS5 Game
I was hyped ever since i saw the Venom games in the insomniac leaks, but i figured it had been cancelled by now. It would be awesome if they surprised us with an announcement
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
“Our new north star will be daily active users” - Xbox
I think that already says a lot in terms of their exclusivity strategy. Exclusives kind of gets in the way of getting games to as many players for the most active daily users.
But the industry has been so unpredictable, that i cant guess whats going to happen anymore. I do think they’ll continue to port most games over though, and if not, that’s fine as well 🤷🏻♂️
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
@RoomWithaMoose Dont know what to yell ya. I’m not saying those aren’t good games, i’m just saying i have never been interested in those franchises. I guess we just have different tastes 🤷🏻♂️
I grew up playing franchises like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, DMC, Street Fighter, God of War, Tekken, Killzone, Gran Turismo, GTA, , FIFA, , Mario, Shadow of the Colossus etc.
In more modern times games like Spiderman, God of War, Uncharted, Infamous, Last of Us, Ghost of, Death Stranding, Red Dead Redemption, Elden Ring, The Witcher, Astro Bot, Dave the Diver, Humanity etc.
I did play Crash Bandicoot when i was a kid on PS1. Played OG Halo for about half an hour, but never played Gears, never played any Bethesda game, no Fallout, no Elder Scrolls, no DOOM, no Wolfenstein, no Diablo, no Perfect Dark, no Mincecrat, no Fable, no Banjo Kazooie, no Sea of Thieves, no Hellblade etc. I just wasn’t really attracted to these games.
However, i did play a LOT of COD and Age of Empires back in the day though, but havent touched those in about a decade either.
So yeah this might be surprising to you, but to me that list is kinda meh, no interest, no nostalgic factor, nothing. Again, that’s just for me personally, but i also said that many would probably find much to enjoy from that list. And it doesnt mean that future games in those franchises won’t interest me, they might
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
@SMJ I say do it. I’ve always said exclusives help sell consoles. I think it’s one of the few ways they could really succeed in selling consoles.
For me personally, that list just doesnt do it for me. Even before Microsoft bought those two publishers these weren’t my type of games. I’ve played maybe 5 games from that whole list. So for me it wouldn’t really change anything, but i’m sure there are many that might be pursuaded to buy an Xbox if they were all made exclusive
Re: 'We'll Share More When We're Ready': Xbox Wants to Make the 'Right Decision' on Exclusivity and PS5
Is it just me or are these comment sections turning into a xbox fan club lately? Not saying there are any undercover xbox fans in here, but i’m suspicioius 😂
Re: 'It Truly Excels': Saros Is Another 'Exceptional' PS5 Pro Game, Say Tech Experts
@KundaliniRising333
People spend money on what they value. I know people that have spent 40K on a car, or spent 3000 euro on fireworks, 1500 on a new GPU or biyearly buy the new Iphone Pro.
Personally I wouldn’t spend that on those things, but i will never get why others would laugh or mock people that spend money on something they genuinely enjoy.
We're all gaming nerds here bro, no need to shame others for their purchase if you dont think its worth it to you.
Maybe some people havent bought a PS5 yet, maybe they're not interested in a PS6, and they figure a PS5 Pro will hold them through a probable long cross gen period, all valid reasons
Re: 'It Truly Excels': Saros Is Another 'Exceptional' PS5 Pro Game, Say Tech Experts
I hvent seen anything yet, still at work. But what’s wrong with characters faces? I read they’re not great? Looks pretty great to me (at least the pic above)
Re: Are We Ready to Admit Horizon's Online Co-Op PS5 Game Looks Good Yet?
@EK42
I believe it does have a single player narrative campaign that you can play solo
Re: Are We Ready to Admit Horizon's Online Co-Op PS5 Game Looks Good Yet?
It’s not for me, but then many popular games of today arent for me. I was just expecting something very different, but it doesnt look bad at all, and i’m sure Guerilla will deliver quality gameplay, so it looks like something that might very well find an audience
Re: Xbox Game Pass vs PS Plus: Was Sony Right All Along?
It’s always been clear to me that Sony had the more sustainable strategy. Xbox banked on them getting to 100m subscribers by the end of the decade, to make the cost of putting all their games Day 1 on the service sustainable, but they grossly overestimated how fast the market would grow
Re: PS5's Fairgames Is a Free-to-Play Extraction Shooter, and It's Not Dead Yet
All we’ve seen is a cgi trailer 3 years ago. Really makes no sense for me to say anything about this yet. F2P gives it a chance, i guess. I just really wonder why they went through with this one? Do they think it has promise? Of all the live service titles they had in development, i always thought this would be the one they would cancel
Re: Rumour: Call of Duty's $300 Million Xbox Game Pass Gambit Could End
@psmr Oh sh*t, that one got me! 🤣
Re: Another Attempt at a Metal Gear Solid Movie Is Being Made by Sony
That team of directors doesnt really instill me with a lot of confidence. Sony man, put some effort on this one, geez!
Although, i believe that Bloodlines was one of the better entries in the series, so i’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
This IP could be epic as a movie. Don’t F this up Sony! Y’all are close with Kojima, at least have him consult
Re: You Might Not Want to Know How Much It Reportedly Cost Bungie to Make Marathon
Btw, am i the only one not surprised by these costs? I feel like $200m-$300m has been the average for a while now for a typical triple A game. Games like HFW, Elden Ring and Star Wars Outlaws were all around the $200m+ mark. And i believe we already surpassed costs like these years ago. Wasn’t Battlefield 6 like 400m or something? Or every CoD $300m+? GTA6 is already in the billions according to rumours 😅
Re: You Might Not Want to Know How Much It Reportedly Cost Bungie to Make Marathon
@BrockSmith
What do you mean? You can play amazing single player titles. Sony also invested in plenty of single player games
Re: You Might Not Want to Know How Much It Reportedly Cost Bungie to Make Marathon
$200m sounds about right for a triple AAA game nowadays, so i’m not that surprised. If i had to make an estimate, that would be exactly my guess.
Fortunately Marathon was already in development before Sony acquired Bungie, so they didn’t exactly fund the whole $200m.
I hope for Bungie that the title has a long legs, and they manage to at least break even.
Maybe for Destiny 3 they can consult with Sucker Punch on how to make a game with a $60m budget 😅
Re: You Might Not Want to Know How Much It Reportedly Cost Bungie to Make Marathon
@Llamageddon Lol, exactly!
Re: PS5 Price Hike Hits Japan Hard as PS5 Pro Sales Sink to Xbox Levels
@naruball
You’re right. The business model of the console has always been to be cheaper than PC, and make money back through software. But maybe that business model is under pressure because of rising costs. I understand that Sony took huge losses before, but that just might not be sustainable anymore.
It’s unrealistic to think console prices can stay frozen forever, when everything else rises. There comes a point that console might have to increase in price as well, or else the gap just becomes larger and larger, and it becomes harder and harder to make the money back through software.
I dont think it’s totally unreasonable to look at the economy as a whole. It’s not like Sony operates in a vacuum. Inflation has affected everything from logistics to salaries. The larger economy will also have an impact on their business models, even business models that have been stable for a long time might need to change.
People dont want $70 games, dont want more expensive hardware, dont wanna pay for PS+, they dnt want to be presented with the bill. And ofcourse i can understand that, but how are these companies supposed to operate then? Somethings got to give. Component costs has skyrocketed. Development costs has shot through the roof. Rumours say GTA6 cost is already in the $Billions. This isn’t just a Sony problem.
They have done the numbers, and even though they know that increasing prices will lower sales, they must have calculated that that is still better than the alternative. There’s so much going on in the industry, its not just as simple as “why doesnt Sony just keep it at $499 and sell it with a loss” (paraphrasing some comments here)
Re: PS5 Price Hike Hits Japan Hard as PS5 Pro Sales Sink to Xbox Levels
I’m not saying i’m happy with these prices. But one thing i don't understand is when people say that these prices are ridiculous. If Sony were the only one raising prices, i’d understand.
But Xbox prices have increased, Switch, PC prices have surged, houses have almost doubled in price the last decade, groceries, phones costs $1500. A 3 course dinner sets me back around €120 nowadays.
Like literally everything has gotten more expensive.
But somehow Sony is the one that’s ridiculous with these prices? Do people expect their business to operate in a vacuum? Are they immune to the rest of the market and the world economy?
I understand people are disappointed. And i’d like PS5’s to be cheaper as well. But how can we genuinely expect the PS5 to stay at $499 or even lower when literally everything else is getting more expensive?
To be clear, this isnt to excuse Sony. I’m just genuinely confused as to why people seemingly accept or understand higher prices everywhere, except for with the PS5, then all of a sudden it’s ridiculous 😅
And again, i’m not saying these prices aren’t high. But they are in line with global price increases overall