@Leinad7 I highly doubt they’d put a discount on the game at launch. So i guess the discount was for the console rather than the game. Financially, those games likely were handled as full $70 sales, so still a financial success.
In addition, the game probably sold over 16M copies already. And that bundle was only for a limited time, so i’d wager the majority was sold outside of those bundles
In before the inevitable comments of people hating on this game. Internet hate slang has gotten pretty complex lately. Let me translate some of the upcoming comments for you:
“This game is trash” = Its clearly not trash, its well made and is developed by a talented studio, i just dont really like it, but i have a small vocabulary so thats the inly way i can express my dislike
“This is going to flop so hard” = I want this to flop so hard
“This is garbage” = I havent actually played this nor watched anything after the first alpha trailer and just want to jump on the hate bandwagon
“This is gonna fail like a sequel to Concord” = I can see in to the future, and because i have nothing of real substance to comment on the game itself, i will use my powers to make this prediction, trust me bro
“Sony should stop making these live service multiplayer games” = I dont want these games, so therefore i dont want anyone else to be able to play these games. Sony, i forbid it
Here are facts:
1. I don't actually come across as snide and superior. I am fortunate enough to be able to own multiple systems. Your opinion isn't a fact.
Sorry to butt in, but that is not a fact, and i hate to break it to you, but it’s also not true. I’m sure many people here that know how you argue would definitely say you come across as snide and superior
People are going in on Xbox sales numbers, which, of course, were never going to be good when the price cut/significantly more powerful PS5 is barely outselling the almost 9-year-old Switch, lol.
That's the true levels of fanboy delusion/defection right there.
Xbox sold around 150 consoles, and Playstation sold around 45K. You’re saying people should not focus on xbox sales compared to switch, but they should focus on ps5 sales compared to switch.
Yes you’re right, that is indeed the true level of fanboy deflection right there
People like me? A person who has owned every PlayStation console including handhelds and both VR headsets? A person like me who has bought around 1500 games across all PlayStation consoles?
Or do you mean a person like me who owns all 3 systems and doesn't blindly follow everything Sony does with a smile? Someone who isn't tied to one platform and speaks objectively? Someone who wants Sony to improve because they believe that the PS5 generation is the most complacent and lazy Sony have ever produced?
Which is it?
You do understand that none of this means you reason objectively. You may not notice this about yourself, but you argue with as much of a bias as all the people you usually accuse of being biased.
What makes it problematic is you dont even acknowledge your own bias at all. You only accuse others of bias, immediately label them as fanboys, and assume your stance is the most reasonable one.
And i dont mean that in a mean spirited way. It’s just genuinely a pattern that i and many here pick up, and trust me it has nothing to do with which systems you own.
Frankly, someone can own none of the systems and still have good faith, logical and nuanced discussion. The fact that you even think that objectivity has anything to do with the gadgets you own already shows that you dont get it
Last official count was over 8.4M in 2023. But 2 months ago it was reported that the whole franchise sold 40M. Around 27M of those are from Horizon Zero Dawn. That leaves around 13M divided between Forbidden West, Call of the Mountain VR and Lego Horizon. And unless you think those last two sold particularly well, its safe to assume Forbidden West has sold well over 10M by now.
Yōtei sold 3.3m in first month, hit falls behind Tsushima’s sales and did not reach 6m yet, they are somewhere around 4m something. The reason is, after lots of hype and release noise, it didn’t take three weeks for everyone to just forget about it. Barely anyone even mentions Yōtei now
They reportedly already reached around 4M copies after 2 months, we’re now 3.5 months from release, so its perfectly reasonable to assume it has sold more copies. But you’re right, my initial guess of 6M was probably too high, perhaps around 5M. But still highly likely to eventually reach high total sales too.
Btw, Astro Bot sold around 1m officially, but according to some leaks it’s somewhere around 1.5m. It won GOTY but sales wise is not really a grand success
Nope. Astro Bot already reached 1.5M two months after release in November 2024. Then according to Alinea Analytics they sold around 2.3M in early 2025, about a year ago. And i know Astro Bot isnt a huge financial succes, thats why i didnt list it, i was merely correcting someone that stated it had sold 1M
Spiderman 2 sales are highly affected by the fact they were adding it bundled with console. That created a picture of good sales results. But it did not sell that well if not bundles
Come one, now you’re just going out of your way to discredit their sales. Bundled Mario games still count as copies sold, so why not here. And it still sold 11M in just the first 6 months, thats very good either way. Saying it wouldnt sell well if it werent in a bundle is very speculative, and highly unlikely for such a popular IP. Some reports estimate it over 16M copies by now, so either way it’s a financial success, which is what the other user and i were discussing.
AC Shadows higher than Yōtei 😲
Only in Europe though, in the US AC Shadows is way below Ghost of Yotei.
And perhaps AC Shadows releasing 7 months earlier has something to with it?
@PuppetMaster You’re right about those games, but i just didnt want anyone to be able to nitpick. People love to move goalposts around, so i just listed games that released this console generation.
But yeah, since he himself mentioned that Sony’s last financial successes were in 2018, we could definitely add all the games after that year like:
Days Gone, around 10M
Ghost of Tsushima, over 13M copies
The Last of Us 2, over 10M in 2022, very likely to be much more today after the pc and remaster release
Just a few corrections on your numbers though, last known copies sold for Astro bot was 2.3M in early 2025 and for Racthet and Clank: Rift Apart was around 4M back in 2023, i’m assuming these are also higher today
What was the last game with that level of impact, both financially and critically? Wikipedia says Spidey and God of War, both in 2018. Now it’s the year 2026
Edit: Okay, Spidey 2 performed good as well. But there are not many PS Studios games on PS5 with huge success, unfortunately.
There have been more games from Playstation Studios that have had critical and financial succes after 2018, here are some of them with their copies sold:
Spiderman: Miles Morales, over 11M
God of War: Ragnarok, over 15M in 2023, likely much more today
Gran Turismo 7, around 15-16M
Horizon Forbidden West, 8.4M in 2023, likely over 10M today
Spider Man 2, 11M in 2024 after just 6 months, estimates have it over 16M today
Helldivers 2, around 20M (even though its not by a Sony studio, they published, helped develop and own the IP, so this is still a huge financial win for them)
Ghost of Yotei, 3.3M in its first month, already turning in profit because of the low game budget of $60M, probably already around 6M copies today, just 3 months after release (seeing as it managed a 9th spot in this years ‘most downloaded’ list, even though it released in the 10th month of the year and got a physical release which isnt counted here). Likely to surpass 10M as well, eventually
@Blaze215 Maybe because there are so many other reasons why one would wanna sub to premium. The reason i sub sometimes is for streaming, it’s very convenient for me and works very good. That way my kid and i can try out the whole library without having to wait so long for games to download, it’s perfect for me, and only a few € more than Extra.
Personally, i dont understand why some people are preoccupied so much with why others want to sub premium. I really dont care why anyone subs to whatever (film/gaming) service they wanna sub to, i just assume it gives them value. But somehow people almost seem offended about others using PS Plus Premium (not talking about you here, but just in general)
As SIE, I wouldn’t be happy. And I‘m sure there WILL be discussions why it didn’t perform better
I’m pretty sure Sony is happy with that spot. I cant imagine they assumed GoY would sell more than the usual top selling games like GTA, Minecraft, CoD, and the yearly sports games etc.
Heck they even sold more than the GOTY winner in the US. And considering their game released only 3 months ago, in the 10th month of the year, but still managed to get so many downloads is very good (not to mention GoY got a physical release, so many copies arent event counted in this top download list)
@LifeGirl Honestly, i agree. People are entitled to their opinion, but hearing people sometimes trash this service seems so unreasonable. Paid yearly this service costs just $13/month!
@UltimateOtaku91 This is exactly what i mean. Premiums offering isnt a joke. For $2 or $3 more you get a classics library of around 400-500 titles, a rotating library of around 100 movies, a small VR library, 4K streaming, streaming to pc and the portal and at least one retro game per month.
For the people thinking their offering is a joke, what do you say they could realistically add more for that small price increase?
For everyone’s fyi, Sony never said they’d be adding 10 retro games a month or something. For that small price increase from extra i think its unreasonable to expect more that 1-2 titles a month (on top of everything else premium offers)
@get2sammyb Isnt the context here that Premium is only $2 or $3 more than Extra? And you get 4K streaming on console, streaming to pc and handheld, a library of ps1, ps2, psp, ps3 games and at least one retro game each month? (Last year, many months saw 2 retro games added to premium, some months even 4)
Considering $2 or $3 likely isnt even enough to cover the cost of the streaming servers etc, personally i think it’s a pretty good offering for that small increase of money.
Unless you were talking about the context of there being an arcade version of this game in stead of the fact that they added only one game this month to premium…
I’ve read somewhere that the only reason this isnt day and date on Playstation is because the studio just isnt ready with the port yet, or else it would be. I wonder how much of a gamble it is to not have this day and date.
Although, it’ll probably still sell well if it releases to Playstation later this year. But looking at FH5 sales on Playstation, they are undoubtably bummed they could not release it simultaneously, especially with the competition it’ll have later in the year.
Somehow i feel that they might still surprise us with a day and date release, but if not, i think September is a likely release month
@Grumblevolcano Maybe you’re right, maybe these services should be offered more on a la carte basis instead of offering packages with things people might not want or need
Isnt Premium only $2 more than Extra? So for that small increase you get 4K streaming on console, streaming to pc and handheld, a library of ps1, ps2, psp and ps3 titles and a monthly game.
But people want more? I think the $2 or even $3 dollars more isnt even enough to cover the cost of running the streaming servers, let alone for adding a game each month. I truly wonder if people ran their own business if they would be as generous with their product? If you’re not a retro gamer or dont use streaming, then dont pay the extra $2, but you dont have to call this service trash.
Things cost money you know. Trust me im no fan of capitalism, but i understand the logic of businesses needing to make money, this is not some charity. Sometimes i feel people are very unreasonable or just dont understand the cost of things
The more certain and with less nuance one speaks the less they usually understand. It’s maddening trying to talk sensibly to some people here.
Edit: And honestly i think the mods can do much better in fostering a productive conversation. And to be clear, that doesnt mean censoring anything that isnt pro Sony, far from it. But constantly calling everyone on this site “plastic box lovers” who dont have any nuanced opinions, im sure, is zapping a lot of the enthousiams some fans have in participating in these comment sections.
But if the mods here are struggling to discern good faith discussion from straight trolling, then thats a real issue.
And if there’s an opening, i’d like to volunteers as moderator, no joke
What is it with people today, does anyone still have any sense around here? Its like a dense jungle of cognitive dissonance, bias and poor reasoning skills
@Leinad7 When discussing Sony studios games, of course those game will be included. Why? Because they’re Sony studios game.
We werent talking about personal preference or anything, you seem to get these two things conflated. If i were to list all Xbox studios games, i cant just leave out everything im not interested in, and say that those games dont count
Did you just use Marathon and MLB to prove Sony is releasing games this year? Duuuude…
We we’re talking about Xbox and Sony studios games, thats why i mentioned them. Or do they not count as Sony studios games because you don't like them?
Why is this site overrun with anti Sony sentiment? Can’t say anything around here anymore without getting policed
@darylb24 Lol, i’m not saying Microsoft doesnt make money, and i get that they make more from every sale. That’s not my point though, it’s the phrase that he used.
It seems like some people dont quite understand what the phrase “making money off someone” means. Sony doesnt have to change or fund anything when Microsoft puts its games on Sony’s ecosystem. That’s like saying EA is making money off of Sony, or a store owner makes money off the building owner just for selling in their building, it doesnt make sense.
When you say that Microsoft is making money off of Sony it implies that Sony is taken advantage of or something. Rather they are making money with Sony.
And if we really had to insist on one company making money off of the other, i’d say it’s Sony, because they are just cashing in without taking any risk.
But this has become a whole semantics discussion. So, lets just leave it at that. Geez, and they say i’m triggered 😅
@11001100110zero Lol, i’m not triggered. You’re the one randomly calling me “little one”.
Im not saying Sony makes more money on each sale. I dont even know why you bothered with that obvious calculation. You’re arguing against something i never even said.
My point was just about the wording you used. I’m not a native English speaker , but saying Microsoft is making money off of Sony implies that Sony is being taken advantage off, which is not the case.
Microsoft funds the games and Sony gets their cut risk free, making money off of Microsoft, rather than the other way around
Looks like Xbox studios is giving PlayStation a lot more love than Sony studios games wise in 2026.
Lol dude, the year has just begun. We’re still getting Saros, Marathon, Marvel Tokon, MLB, Wolverine, and perhaps more from Playstation Studios. In addition, Sony also shows Playstation love by publishing or getting exclusives like Phantom Blade Zero, Nioh 3, Cairn, Chronoscript, Zero Parades, 4Loop, Loulan: The Cursed Sand etc.
Edit: And exactly as Oram77 said, they have like double the studios, and since all their games seem to be coming to PS5, it’s only natural to see more Xbox studios games on Playstation 😉
Damn dude, Xbox is making a killing off of sony lol.
Off of Sony? I think you have it the other way around. Microsoft is the one that invested money in these games. Sony is the one making a killing of off Microsoft’s games 😅
Can't have an Xbox related article without an obligatory jibe.
No they're not necessary. But this site does enjoy whipping up the fanboys.
Ordinarily, we’d leave this news to our friends at Pure Xbox, but such is the state of Microsoft these days, we can be assured practically all of the software it shows will be coming to the PS5.
They’re just saying that normally they wouldnt be covering it, but since the state of Microsoft today is that their games are coming to PS5, they will be covering it.
You’ll tend to find negative intent in things, if thats what you’re really looking for though.
And i even understand why they preempt it with that, because as you can see in the comment section above, some are already mad that they are covering “Xbox” news.
Ironically, its comments like yours that tend to stir up console wars more than the article itself
@11001100110zero Don’t mind the rant at all, especially from a fellow adhd mind. Nice to see other audiovisual fans here, not many of us around bro, i respect that. I just watched a blu ray a couple of days ago. I still have a 600 dvd and blu ray collection. And you’re right, streaming definitely doesn't reach the same bitrates as a disc. But the Kalaidascape thing sounds very cool, i have never heard of it before.
I will have to respectfully disagree about Playstation putting their IP’s on Xbox though. Some people might not consider them competition anymore, but they’re not out of the game. They are still here, and still planning on releasing consoles as a direct competitor to Sony.
Personally, i would advise Sony to not do something as foolish as porting their IP’s over. Microsoft is still the richest company in the world, and Sony is just small fries compared to them. So to give away one of the advantages they have in this business wouldnt be a smart move in my opinion
@BAMozzy You really didnt need to explain all the ways Netflix is available, i think we all understand that. But the discussion here is about whether exclusive content is desirable, not about the accessibility of these products. What you’re describing are delivery mechanisms of two different products. Netflix doesnt need a device to render its movies in realtime. That is about streaming vs local play. Of course you can’t expect to play a videogame locally on all televisions. Streaming Playstation isalso possible on console, PC and a Sony handheld, and probably on more devices like tv’s and mobile in the future.
But consoles are also meant to play games locally, so of course its going to be more expensive upfront and be available on fewer devices compared to movie streaming, so i dont understand why you keep comparing their modes of delivery, because that’s not really what we’re talking about.
This discussion is about exclusive content itself and whether thats desirable or not. This isnt about on which devices something runs on. You’re making a whole different point. Both need hardware to be played on. But whether you already own the hardware doesnt change the fact that this discussion is about the desirability of exclusive content.
And whether you agree with it or not, exclusive content, whether thats Netflix, HBO, Prime or Apple’s exclusive shows, Playstations and Nintendos exclusives, Spotify exclusives or podcasts, DLSS for Nvidia GPUs, Apple apps, even fastfood burgers or brand specific car tech and all forms of exclusive content, it does differentiate, give their ecosystems character and make their brands or “platforms sing” in the words of Shawn Layden
You are 'forced' to buy a Playstation to play Sony's games or 'go without
The difference between say Netflix vs Apple or Amazon Prime is that those 'services' are not Hardware dependent
Sorry to butt in there, but the issue isnt about Netflix being hardware dependent or not. The issue is, you have to pay to get acces to Netflix’s exclusives. On which device the media is consumed isnt relevant to this point, they both require payment to access exclusive content. So the analogy with exclusive games still stands, because both lock exclusive content behind payment. But make no mistake, both ‘force’ you to pay if you want acces to their exclusive content.
So saying Sony ‘forces’ and Netflix doesnt because it’s accessible on many devices isnt an accurate conclusion. They just have different ways of delivery and payment models.
The funny thing is, a lot of people have maybe 2 or 3 movie streaming services, each costing around $15 or so each month. And all those services have exclusives content that they want, but somehow that is considered normal. But having exclusive games for a platform is an issue.
Regarding pricing, sure gaming requires an upfront cost of hardware if you want to play locally. But consider that many people have 2 or 3 movie streaming subscriptions, paying around $420 ($35monthly) a year. Thats about the cost of a console, but paid yearly, and indefinitely.
Not to mention the fact that if you unsubscribe those streaming services you end up with nothing at all. So lets say you paid for those streaming services for 7 years (about 1 console generation), you paid $2940 and end up with nothing.
Meanwhile, after 7 years you still own the console hardware, you own your games if you bought them physically. Heck, you can even sell everything and make back some of your money
I have no problems with exclusivity. Exclusivity is competition. Some of y’all act like its some evil practice or something.
People dont realize that if all platforms just played the same exact games we’d end up with just one console. There wouldnt be any competition, just a monopoly.
Sony’s first party exclusives make up like 0.5% of all the games out on the platform. Why do people make such a big issue about a few exclusives, when its just a tiny percentage of the vast majority of multiplat games. And some of the best games of all time have been exclusives. That’s what you can achieve if you put all time and resources and focus on getting the best out of one platform.
No one seems upset by Netflix or other streaming services having exclusive shows, but in the console space some are always morally outraged. when in reality it’s really just about a handful of games. If you want to play all games, there’s always the option to buy a PC
there's no competition in the simulator racing genre.
How many players were GT5 and 6 pulling monthly back on PS3? Nowhere near as many. That's because Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 were exceptional simulator racing games that commanded attention.
It's easy to sell well when you're the only game in town.
That’s kind of downplaying how good this game is. GT7 is also generally considered a way better game than GT5 and GT6 were in their days. It’s not because GT7 the only game in town, it’s because it is one of the best today. There are still other options like Forza Motorsport 8 and Asseto Corsa.
It’s funny how GT7 sometimes doesnt get acknowledged as a live service, especially by people who are usually very loud about not wanting Sony to succeed in the space.
However, the fact that its always online, constantly being updated on a regular basis and has ongoing rotatig events makes its a true live service game, and a succesful one at that.
The fact that its not f2p or doesnt have battle passes might be what confuses people here, but make no mistake live service has many different forms, and this is definitely a live service title whichever way you slice it.
Polyphony just made it so it isnt as obnxious as other live service titles, so kudos to them!
Also, not surprised that the most liked comments in this article are all in favor of crunch..
Understanding the need for it in a specific case, is different than being in favor of it as a common practice.
Can't wait for another article on here where the top comments are stuff like "I love AI replacing real people!" or "Layoffs are totally wicked!" or "CEOs totally deserve a higher pay than actual hard-working employees!"
I want to believe that’s intentional hyperbole. I’m sure you know that’s just a total mental leap you’re making. As if people who have an opinion about this, will automatically think CEO’s deserve more pay or that layoffs are totally wicked.
I'll just stick to Sucker Punch and Santa Monica
Who’s to say thay they dont do crunch periods once in a while as well? No studio, even SP and SM, is immune to deadlines, and if deadlines are in danger ofnot being met or missed, even those studios hve to fix that to get back on track. Heck, this isnt even a problem in game development alone, this is seen all over the tech industry and many other industries.
Edit: None of this means i condone it btw, i’m just calling out people’s indignation about this specific studio, this studio is definitely not some evil outlier.
I really hope we can change work culture, bt unfortunately this still happens everywhere from tech to healthcare, and its a sign of a broken system rather than one studios fault
you've got companies like Capcom, Sega and Square Enix now prioritising Switch/Switch 2 instead of PS5
I agree with the rest of your comment except for this sentence. Are they really prioritising the Switch in stead of the PS5 now? I might have genuinely missed these developments, but i havent seen or heard anything like this happening
Am i the only one thinking they’re not doing sobad. I mean, it could definitely be better, but they already sold 7m+ PS5’s and the generation isnt even over yet. That’s around 6% over the total population of Japan (which has the oldest population in the world btw, with around 30% over 65 years old)
A quick search says they’ve sold about 27m PS5’s in the US today, that’s about 8% of the country.
I think the country’s population age demographic is not really being taken into consideration here, and seeing as Japan has the oldest population in the world, 6% of the population doesnt seem so bad
Not that i’m condoning anything, but if you miss several deadlines, you will have to crunch a bit to get things on schedule. Is that different where you guys work?
Anyway, hope they get back on track soon, and stay on it
@RoomWithaMoose Fair enough man, i understand you’re a fan of the IP and i respect that. I like the franchise as well, I just dont think it’s necessarily geared towards console gamers.
Mobile games’ mechanics are generally very different from console games. Usually free to play and riddled with mtx, and graphically, well they obviously dont really come close.
But if its any consolation, Insomniac is rumoured to release a Ratchet and Clank sequel for console around 2029/2030 i believe, so they might be working on an R&C title as we speak 🤞🏼
I'm not morally outraged by this, or anything. But, it's hard to get excited about what is effectively Ratchet & Clank Lite
But, presumably, this is for the markets that are playing CoD Mobile and the likes nonstop
Ofcourse it is, not even presumably. This is definitely not targeted to consoles gamers per se. Mobile games are always “lite” versions of a game. The mobile market is a seperate beast from consoles
Also can't see myself ever starting this up instead of Halo, Team Fortress 2, Overwatch, Splatoon, or any of my other go-to competitive shooters.
Are these also mobile versions? Or do you mean the console/pc games? Because Ratchet and Clank mobile isnt meant to compete with any of those
@Wentos Why would you want them to release their mobile games on PS5? Would you rather play a mobile version of MLB in stead of the console version? Have you seen how that looks? Not hating on mobile games or anything, but i sure hope they keep these games seperate.
Also, as stated above, everyone will be able to play this on their phones so no one is being gated
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Re: Marathon PS5 Officially Dated for 5th March, Up for Pre-Order at $40
Cautiously excited about this, looks good to me, curious to see the reviews for it
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@Leinad7 I highly doubt they’d put a discount on the game at launch. So i guess the discount was for the console rather than the game. Financially, those games likely were handled as full $70 sales, so still a financial success.
In addition, the game probably sold over 16M copies already. And that bundle was only for a limited time, so i’d wager the majority was sold outside of those bundles
Re: Marathon's PS5 Release Date Looks Like It's Leaked
In before the inevitable comments of people hating on this game. Internet hate slang has gotten pretty complex lately. Let me translate some of the upcoming comments for you:
Re: Japanese PS5 Sales Continue to Improve Following Launch of Cheaper Model
Sorry to butt in, but that is not a fact, and i hate to break it to you, but it’s also not true. I’m sure many people here that know how you argue would definitely say you come across as snide and superior
Re: Japanese PS5 Sales Continue to Improve Following Launch of Cheaper Model
@darylb24
Xbox sold around 150 consoles, and Playstation sold around 45K. You’re saying people should not focus on xbox sales compared to switch, but they should focus on ps5 sales compared to switch.
Yes you’re right, that is indeed the true level of fanboy deflection right there
Re: Japanese PS5 Sales Continue to Improve Following Launch of Cheaper Model
@SMJ
You do understand that none of this means you reason objectively. You may not notice this about yourself, but you argue with as much of a bias as all the people you usually accuse of being biased.
What makes it problematic is you dont even acknowledge your own bias at all. You only accuse others of bias, immediately label them as fanboys, and assume your stance is the most reasonable one.
And i dont mean that in a mean spirited way. It’s just genuinely a pattern that i and many here pick up, and trust me it has nothing to do with which systems you own.
Frankly, someone can own none of the systems and still have good faith, logical and nuanced discussion. The fact that you even think that objectivity has anything to do with the gadgets you own already shows that you dont get it
Re: Most Downloaded PS5 Games of 2025 Revealed, as Xbox's Forza Horizon 5 Tops Ghost of Yotei
@Leinad7
Last official count was over 8.4M in 2023. But 2 months ago it was reported that the whole franchise sold 40M. Around 27M of those are from Horizon Zero Dawn. That leaves around 13M divided between Forbidden West, Call of the Mountain VR and Lego Horizon. And unless you think those last two sold particularly well, its safe to assume Forbidden West has sold well over 10M by now.
They reportedly already reached around 4M copies after 2 months, we’re now 3.5 months from release, so its perfectly reasonable to assume it has sold more copies. But you’re right, my initial guess of 6M was probably too high, perhaps around 5M. But still highly likely to eventually reach high total sales too.
Nope. Astro Bot already reached 1.5M two months after release in November 2024. Then according to Alinea Analytics they sold around 2.3M in early 2025, about a year ago. And i know Astro Bot isnt a huge financial succes, thats why i didnt list it, i was merely correcting someone that stated it had sold 1M
Come one, now you’re just going out of your way to discredit their sales. Bundled Mario games still count as copies sold, so why not here. And it still sold 11M in just the first 6 months, thats very good either way. Saying it wouldnt sell well if it werent in a bundle is very speculative, and highly unlikely for such a popular IP. Some reports estimate it over 16M copies by now, so either way it’s a financial success, which is what the other user and i were discussing.
Only in Europe though, in the US AC Shadows is way below Ghost of Yotei.
And perhaps AC Shadows releasing 7 months earlier has something to with it?
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@PuppetMaster You’re right about those games, but i just didnt want anyone to be able to nitpick. People love to move goalposts around, so i just listed games that released this console generation.
But yeah, since he himself mentioned that Sony’s last financial successes were in 2018, we could definitely add all the games after that year like:
Just a few corrections on your numbers though, last known copies sold for Astro bot was 2.3M in early 2025 and for Racthet and Clank: Rift Apart was around 4M back in 2023, i’m assuming these are also higher today
Re: Most Downloaded PS5 Games of 2025 Revealed, as Xbox's Forza Horizon 5 Tops Ghost of Yotei
@Max_the_German
There have been more games from Playstation Studios that have had critical and financial succes after 2018, here are some of them with their copies sold:
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@Blaze215 Maybe because there are so many other reasons why one would wanna sub to premium. The reason i sub sometimes is for streaming, it’s very convenient for me and works very good. That way my kid and i can try out the whole library without having to wait so long for games to download, it’s perfect for me, and only a few € more than Extra.
Personally, i dont understand why some people are preoccupied so much with why others want to sub premium. I really dont care why anyone subs to whatever (film/gaming) service they wanna sub to, i just assume it gives them value. But somehow people almost seem offended about others using PS Plus Premium (not talking about you here, but just in general)
Re: Most Downloaded PS5 Games of 2025 Revealed, as Xbox's Forza Horizon 5 Tops Ghost of Yotei
@UltimateOtaku91 I guess its hard for people to see nuance when they’re giddy with excitement about seeing Sony fail 😆
Re: Most Downloaded PS5 Games of 2025 Revealed, as Xbox's Forza Horizon 5 Tops Ghost of Yotei
@Max_the_German
I’m pretty sure Sony is happy with that spot. I cant imagine they assumed GoY would sell more than the usual top selling games like GTA, Minecraft, CoD, and the yearly sports games etc.
Heck they even sold more than the GOTY winner in the US. And considering their game released only 3 months ago, in the 10th month of the year, but still managed to get so many downloads is very good (not to mention GoY got a physical release, so many copies arent event counted in this top download list)
Re: 9 PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for January 2026 Announced
@UltimateOtaku91 My bad bro. If you mean that the added monthly retro titles aren’t to your liking, then that’s totally fair
Re: 9 PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for January 2026 Announced
@LifeGirl Honestly, i agree. People are entitled to their opinion, but hearing people sometimes trash this service seems so unreasonable. Paid yearly this service costs just $13/month!
@UltimateOtaku91 This is exactly what i mean. Premiums offering isnt a joke. For $2 or $3 more you get a classics library of around 400-500 titles, a rotating library of around 100 movies, a small VR library, 4K streaming, streaming to pc and the portal and at least one retro game per month.
For the people thinking their offering is a joke, what do you say they could realistically add more for that small price increase?
For everyone’s fyi, Sony never said they’d be adding 10 retro games a month or something. For that small price increase from extra i think its unreasonable to expect more that 1-2 titles a month (on top of everything else premium offers)
Re: 9 PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for January 2026 Announced
@get2sammyb Isnt the context here that Premium is only $2 or $3 more than Extra? And you get 4K streaming on console, streaming to pc and handheld, a library of ps1, ps2, psp, ps3 games and at least one retro game each month? (Last year, many months saw 2 retro games added to premium, some months even 4)
Considering $2 or $3 likely isnt even enough to cover the cost of the streaming servers etc, personally i think it’s a pretty good offering for that small increase of money.
Unless you were talking about the context of there being an arcade version of this game in stead of the fact that they added only one game this month to premium…
Re: Forza Horizon 6 May Come to PS5 This Year as Xbox, PC Release Date Leaks
I’ve read somewhere that the only reason this isnt day and date on Playstation is because the studio just isnt ready with the port yet, or else it would be. I wonder how much of a gamble it is to not have this day and date.
Although, it’ll probably still sell well if it releases to Playstation later this year. But looking at FH5 sales on Playstation, they are undoubtably bummed they could not release it simultaneously, especially with the competition it’ll have later in the year.
Somehow i feel that they might still surprise us with a day and date release, but if not, i think September is a likely release month
Re: PS1 Ridge Racer Poised for PS5, PS4 via PS Plus Premium
@Grumblevolcano Maybe you’re right, maybe these services should be offered more on a la carte basis instead of offering packages with things people might not want or need
Re: PS1 Ridge Racer Poised for PS5, PS4 via PS Plus Premium
Isnt Premium only $2 more than Extra? So for that small increase you get 4K streaming on console, streaming to pc and handheld, a library of ps1, ps2, psp and ps3 titles and a monthly game.
But people want more? I think the $2 or even $3 dollars more isnt even enough to cover the cost of running the streaming servers, let alone for adding a game each month. I truly wonder if people ran their own business if they would be as generous with their product? If you’re not a retro gamer or dont use streaming, then dont pay the extra $2, but you dont have to call this service trash.
Things cost money you know. Trust me im no fan of capitalism, but i understand the logic of businesses needing to make money, this is not some charity. Sometimes i feel people are very unreasonable or just dont understand the cost of things
Re: PS5 Reportedly Hands Forza Horizon 5 an Additional 5 Million Sales
The more certain and with less nuance one speaks the less they usually understand. It’s maddening trying to talk sensibly to some people here.
Edit: And honestly i think the mods can do much better in fostering a productive conversation. And to be clear, that doesnt mean censoring anything that isnt pro Sony, far from it. But constantly calling everyone on this site “plastic box lovers” who dont have any nuanced opinions, im sure, is zapping a lot of the enthousiams some fans have in participating in these comment sections.
But if the mods here are struggling to discern good faith discussion from straight trolling, then thats a real issue.
And if there’s an opening, i’d like to volunteers as moderator, no joke
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
What is it with people today, does anyone still have any sense around here? Its like a dense jungle of cognitive dissonance, bias and poor reasoning skills
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
@Leinad7 When discussing Sony studios games, of course those game will be included. Why? Because they’re Sony studios game.
We werent talking about personal preference or anything, you seem to get these two things conflated. If i were to list all Xbox studios games, i cant just leave out everything im not interested in, and say that those games dont count
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
@Leinad7
We we’re talking about Xbox and Sony studios games, thats why i mentioned them. Or do they not count as Sony studios games because you don't like them?
Why is this site overrun with anti Sony sentiment? Can’t say anything around here anymore without getting policed
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
@darylb24 Lol, i’m not saying Microsoft doesnt make money, and i get that they make more from every sale. That’s not my point though, it’s the phrase that he used.
It seems like some people dont quite understand what the phrase “making money off someone” means. Sony doesnt have to change or fund anything when Microsoft puts its games on Sony’s ecosystem. That’s like saying EA is making money off of Sony, or a store owner makes money off the building owner just for selling in their building, it doesnt make sense.
When you say that Microsoft is making money off of Sony it implies that Sony is taken advantage of or something. Rather they are making money with Sony.
And if we really had to insist on one company making money off of the other, i’d say it’s Sony, because they are just cashing in without taking any risk.
But this has become a whole semantics discussion. So, lets just leave it at that. Geez, and they say i’m triggered 😅
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
@11001100110zero
Lol
Oh it’s better than good 😏
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
@11001100110zero Lol, i’m not triggered. You’re the one randomly calling me “little one”.
Im not saying Sony makes more money on each sale. I dont even know why you bothered with that obvious calculation. You’re arguing against something i never even said.
My point was just about the wording you used. I’m not a native English speaker , but saying Microsoft is making money off of Sony implies that Sony is being taken advantage off, which is not the case.
Microsoft funds the games and Sony gets their cut risk free, making money off of Microsoft, rather than the other way around
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
As for the game, i’m not really interested. The only Xbox game i have been interested in is Fable. Excited to see more of it in the upcoming Direct
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
@OldGamer999
Lol dude, the year has just begun. We’re still getting Saros, Marathon, Marvel Tokon, MLB, Wolverine, and perhaps more from Playstation Studios. In addition, Sony also shows Playstation love by publishing or getting exclusives like Phantom Blade Zero, Nioh 3, Cairn, Chronoscript, Zero Parades, 4Loop, Loulan: The Cursed Sand etc.
Edit: And exactly as Oram77 said, they have like double the studios, and since all their games seem to be coming to PS5, it’s only natural to see more Xbox studios games on Playstation 😉
Re: Xbox Exclusive RPG Avowed Is Coming to PS5 in February with Major New Features
@11001100110zero
Off of Sony? I think you have it the other way around. Microsoft is the one that invested money in these games. Sony is the one making a killing of off Microsoft’s games 😅
Re: Big Updates on Massive Xbox Games, Bound for PS5, Later This Month
@SMJ @ElectricWizard
They’re just saying that normally they wouldnt be covering it, but since the state of Microsoft today is that their games are coming to PS5, they will be covering it.
You’ll tend to find negative intent in things, if thats what you’re really looking for though.
And i even understand why they preempt it with that, because as you can see in the comment section above, some are already mad that they are covering “Xbox” news.
Ironically, its comments like yours that tend to stir up console wars more than the article itself
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Believes Exclusives Make Consoles 'Sing'
@11001100110zero Don’t mind the rant at all, especially from a fellow adhd mind. Nice to see other audiovisual fans here, not many of us around bro, i respect that. I just watched a blu ray a couple of days ago. I still have a 600 dvd and blu ray collection. And you’re right, streaming definitely doesn't reach the same bitrates as a disc. But the Kalaidascape thing sounds very cool, i have never heard of it before.
I will have to respectfully disagree about Playstation putting their IP’s on Xbox though. Some people might not consider them competition anymore, but they’re not out of the game. They are still here, and still planning on releasing consoles as a direct competitor to Sony.
Personally, i would advise Sony to not do something as foolish as porting their IP’s over. Microsoft is still the richest company in the world, and Sony is just small fries compared to them. So to give away one of the advantages they have in this business wouldnt be a smart move in my opinion
Re: PS6 Could Be Delayed Due to RAM Price Chaos
Thats actually good, always thought late 2028 would be better.
But yeah this whole RAM shortage fiasco sucks
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Believes Exclusives Make Consoles 'Sing'
@BAMozzy You really didnt need to explain all the ways Netflix is available, i think we all understand that. But the discussion here is about whether exclusive content is desirable, not about the accessibility of these products. What you’re describing are delivery mechanisms of two different products. Netflix doesnt need a device to render its movies in realtime. That is about streaming vs local play. Of course you can’t expect to play a videogame locally on all televisions. Streaming Playstation isalso possible on console, PC and a Sony handheld, and probably on more devices like tv’s and mobile in the future.
But consoles are also meant to play games locally, so of course its going to be more expensive upfront and be available on fewer devices compared to movie streaming, so i dont understand why you keep comparing their modes of delivery, because that’s not really what we’re talking about.
This discussion is about exclusive content itself and whether thats desirable or not. This isnt about on which devices something runs on. You’re making a whole different point. Both need hardware to be played on. But whether you already own the hardware doesnt change the fact that this discussion is about the desirability of exclusive content.
And whether you agree with it or not, exclusive content, whether thats Netflix, HBO, Prime or Apple’s exclusive shows, Playstations and Nintendos exclusives, Spotify exclusives or podcasts, DLSS for Nvidia GPUs, Apple apps, even fastfood burgers or brand specific car tech and all forms of exclusive content, it does differentiate, give their ecosystems character and make their brands or “platforms sing” in the words of Shawn Layden
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Believes Exclusives Make Consoles 'Sing'
@BAMozzy
Sorry to butt in there, but the issue isnt about Netflix being hardware dependent or not. The issue is, you have to pay to get acces to Netflix’s exclusives. On which device the media is consumed isnt relevant to this point, they both require payment to access exclusive content. So the analogy with exclusive games still stands, because both lock exclusive content behind payment. But make no mistake, both ‘force’ you to pay if you want acces to their exclusive content.
So saying Sony ‘forces’ and Netflix doesnt because it’s accessible on many devices isnt an accurate conclusion. They just have different ways of delivery and payment models.
The funny thing is, a lot of people have maybe 2 or 3 movie streaming services, each costing around $15 or so each month. And all those services have exclusives content that they want, but somehow that is considered normal. But having exclusive games for a platform is an issue.
Regarding pricing, sure gaming requires an upfront cost of hardware if you want to play locally. But consider that many people have 2 or 3 movie streaming subscriptions, paying around $420 ($35monthly) a year. Thats about the cost of a console, but paid yearly, and indefinitely.
Not to mention the fact that if you unsubscribe those streaming services you end up with nothing at all. So lets say you paid for those streaming services for 7 years (about 1 console generation), you paid $2940 and end up with nothing.
Meanwhile, after 7 years you still own the console hardware, you own your games if you bought them physically. Heck, you can even sell everything and make back some of your money
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Believes Exclusives Make Consoles 'Sing'
I have no problems with exclusivity. Exclusivity is competition. Some of y’all act like its some evil practice or something.
People dont realize that if all platforms just played the same exact games we’d end up with just one console. There wouldnt be any competition, just a monopoly.
Sony’s first party exclusives make up like 0.5% of all the games out on the platform. Why do people make such a big issue about a few exclusives, when its just a tiny percentage of the vast majority of multiplat games. And some of the best games of all time have been exclusives. That’s what you can achieve if you put all time and resources and focus on getting the best out of one platform.
No one seems upset by Netflix or other streaming services having exclusive shows, but in the console space some are always morally outraged. when in reality it’s really just about a handful of games. If you want to play all games, there’s always the option to buy a PC
Re: 'Sony's Never Experienced This Phenomenon Before': PS5 Smash Hit Gran Turismo 7 Getting Stronger Over Time
@MrStark
That’s kind of downplaying how good this game is. GT7 is also generally considered a way better game than GT5 and GT6 were in their days. It’s not because GT7 the only game in town, it’s because it is one of the best today. There are still other options like Forza Motorsport 8 and Asseto Corsa.
Re: 'Sony's Never Experienced This Phenomenon Before': PS5 Smash Hit Gran Turismo 7 Getting Stronger Over Time
It’s funny how GT7 sometimes doesnt get acknowledged as a live service, especially by people who are usually very loud about not wanting Sony to succeed in the space.
However, the fact that its always online, constantly being updated on a regular basis and has ongoing rotatig events makes its a true live service game, and a succesful one at that.
The fact that its not f2p or doesnt have battle passes might be what confuses people here, but make no mistake live service has many different forms, and this is definitely a live service title whichever way you slice it.
Polyphony just made it so it isnt as obnxious as other live service titles, so kudos to them!
Re: Japan's New Language Locked PS5 Hasn't Made a Massive Difference to the Format's Domestic Fortunes
And the exaggaration award goes to 😜
Re: Japan's New Language Locked PS5 Hasn't Made a Massive Difference to the Format's Domestic Fortunes
@truerbluer
You think because of the things you mentioned, that implies Capcom, Square Enix and Sega will make the Switch their baseline hardware moving forward?
I dont think it implies that tbh, but i respect your opinion
Re: Naughty Dog Forces Crunch to Get PS5 Exclusive Intergalactic 'Back on Track' for Mid 2027 Release
@Wardenknight133
Understanding the need for it in a specific case, is different than being in favor of it as a common practice.
I want to believe that’s intentional hyperbole. I’m sure you know that’s just a total mental leap you’re making. As if people who have an opinion about this, will automatically think CEO’s deserve more pay or that layoffs are totally wicked.
Who’s to say thay they dont do crunch periods once in a while as well? No studio, even SP and SM, is immune to deadlines, and if deadlines are in danger ofnot being met or missed, even those studios hve to fix that to get back on track. Heck, this isnt even a problem in game development alone, this is seen all over the tech industry and many other industries.
Edit: None of this means i condone it btw, i’m just calling out people’s indignation about this specific studio, this studio is definitely not some evil outlier.
I really hope we can change work culture, bt unfortunately this still happens everywhere from tech to healthcare, and its a sign of a broken system rather than one studios fault
Re: Japan's New Language Locked PS5 Hasn't Made a Massive Difference to the Format's Domestic Fortunes
@truerbluer
I agree with the rest of your comment except for this sentence. Are they really prioritising the Switch in stead of the PS5 now? I might have genuinely missed these developments, but i havent seen or heard anything like this happening
Re: Japan's New Language Locked PS5 Hasn't Made a Massive Difference to the Format's Domestic Fortunes
Am i the only one thinking they’re not doing sobad. I mean, it could definitely be better, but they already sold 7m+ PS5’s and the generation isnt even over yet. That’s around 6% over the total population of Japan (which has the oldest population in the world btw, with around 30% over 65 years old)
A quick search says they’ve sold about 27m PS5’s in the US today, that’s about 8% of the country.
I think the country’s population age demographic is not really being taken into consideration here, and seeing as Japan has the oldest population in the world, 6% of the population doesnt seem so bad
Re: Naughty Dog Forces Crunch to Get PS5 Exclusive Intergalactic 'Back on Track' for Mid 2027 Release
Not that i’m condoning anything, but if you miss several deadlines, you will have to crunch a bit to get things on schedule. Is that different where you guys work?
Anyway, hope they get back on track soon, and stay on it
Re: Naughty Dog Forces Crunch to Get PS5 Exclusive Intergalactic 'Back on Track' for Mid 2027 Release
@yellowdog05
They remade the Last of Us 3 years ago, regardless of what you think of that title that is something they released.
Also, even if we go by 5 years, those are still pretty normal development timelines for AAA games nowadays
Re: Naughty Dog Forces Crunch to Get PS5 Exclusive Intergalactic 'Back on Track' for Mid 2027 Release
@Nem
Not true, The Last of Us 2 released 5 years ago and Last of Us remake released 3 years ago.
Uh? No
Re: 'The Majority of the Studio's on It': Bethesda Gives an Update on The Elder Scrolls 6
Removed
Re: 'The Majority of the Studio's on It': Bethesda Gives an Update on The Elder Scrolls 6
PS6 gen for sure, if i had to guess i’d say 2028
Re: Mobile Ratchet & Clank Game Expands to New Regions as Testing Continues
@RoomWithaMoose Fair enough man, i understand you’re a fan of the IP and i respect that. I like the franchise as well, I just dont think it’s necessarily geared towards console gamers.
Mobile games’ mechanics are generally very different from console games. Usually free to play and riddled with mtx, and graphically, well they obviously dont really come close.
But if its any consolation, Insomniac is rumoured to release a Ratchet and Clank sequel for console around 2029/2030 i believe, so they might be working on an R&C title as we speak 🤞🏼
Re: Mobile Ratchet & Clank Game Expands to New Regions as Testing Continues
@Wentos My bad, didnt know it was a reference lol
Re: Mobile Ratchet & Clank Game Expands to New Regions as Testing Continues
@RoomWithaMoose
Ofcourse it is, not even presumably. This is definitely not targeted to consoles gamers per se. Mobile games are always “lite” versions of a game. The mobile market is a seperate beast from consoles
Are these also mobile versions? Or do you mean the console/pc games? Because Ratchet and Clank mobile isnt meant to compete with any of those
Re: Mobile Ratchet & Clank Game Expands to New Regions as Testing Continues
@Wentos Why would you want them to release their mobile games on PS5? Would you rather play a mobile version of MLB in stead of the console version? Have you seen how that looks? Not hating on mobile games or anything, but i sure hope they keep these games seperate.
Also, as stated above, everyone will be able to play this on their phones so no one is being gated