LogicStrikesAgain

I bought the OG PS5 so i already didnt have a problem with 825GB. But yeah, i think that this is better than a price increase

@Artois2

I was one of them complaining but you can’t complain about one doing it then be eager for the other to do it

I disagree. You could be against the acquisition, but still feel like Sony now has to respond since the deal went through

@Artois2 People complained, it was literally unprecedented and the biggest acquisition in gaming history, but the deal went through right? So now some people might want Sony to respond. I think that’s fair

Having said all that, i personally dont mind Sony venturing in to other genres and game types, even live service, just don’t go about it in an idiotic way

@Oram77 Yup, thats pretty much how sequels tend to work. Max just seems to imply that they aren’t creative because they weren’t all new IP’s. But what they mean is that Sony is leading in the single player narrative department, which they clearly are.

Creating a game like God of War: Ragnarok with a whole new story, new world and environments, enemies designs and combat moves needs a lot of creativity.

Maybe it’s even harder for sequels, because they have to figure out whats working but think of new things to keep it fresh. Implying it isnt creative because the main character is the same is just off the mark

@Max_the_German They still are the creative leaders in single player games though. Doesn't matter if those are sequels, they are some of the best single player games of the generation, and they lead in that regard. Meaning, not many studios or publishers do as well as consistently with their single player narrative games as Sony

I genuinely think thats the best long term strategy for Sony at the moment going forward. If they don't have exclusives, they lose one of their main selling points. Imagine if all these consoles all just have the same games, why would people even choose a Playstation? People would just pick the console that launches with the lowest prices, if theres no other differentiator between them anymore. All this brand build up for the past 30 years, to the point that they’re one of the biggest entertainment brand globally, will have been for nothing

I was always hoping that the Venom game was still in development, so i hope this rumour is true 🤞🏼

@UltimateOtaku91

People do realise Pushsquare is a Playstation dedicated website, run by Playstation fans, for Playstation fans. It baffles me how people moan if there's a Sony bias, or people calling people fanboys yet if they weren't fans they wouldn't be on here, unless you're here to troll.

Seriously, even on a Playstation centric website you cant even be a Playstation enthusiast these days without automatically being labeled a fanboy.

Like sportsfans can literally paint their faces, scream and fight in stadiums for their favourite team, and no one bats an eye. Sneakerheads can be totally in to Nike. A film lover might like everything from A24. You might be a die hard Apple fan, or into Android. A Starbucks superfan with a 50+ collection of mugs. Music lovers obsess over artists or bands. Heck, there are whole communities for car meetups based on Mercedes, or BMW or whatever car brand.

Everyone has different interests, hobbies, and fandoms, and as long as youre not hurting anyone, whats the problem.

But say something positive about Playstation and watch the fanboy police immediately pull up lol, or websites have to explain themselves when there’s even a slight hint of bias.

Edit: Sorry if i’ve been ranting a bit in the comment sections lately btw, not trying to start anything here, just venting a bit to get it out of my system 😆✌🏼

@PuppetMaster

He didn't say Switch 2 is a bad console and people shouldn't touch it. You overthinking a simple comparison article.

He even says the Switch 2 is an incredible piece of hardware. He even compliments the engine for scaling so good on a handheld, and that they’re sure many people are going to thoroughly enjoy playing it on a Switch.

If people find his comparisons hard to take, they are going to have a real hard time when Digital Foundry releases their tech review for this game.

Personally, i am pretty amazed at how good the Switch 2 version looks. Sure, the original Switch ran some AAA games, but oftentimes they didnt really look all that appealing. But if the Switch 2 is capable of running new AAA games with this fidelity then thats seriously pretty impressive! 😍

@LazyDaisy If Capcom releases trailers for the Switch 2 and PS5 that look different from eachother, then gaming sites are going to compare and discuss the two versions.

I think it’s a prettu reasonable take from a Playstation centric website to say that the Switch 2 trailer looks impressive, but that the Playstation version stands out more graphically. Gaming sites are gonna cover the differences and focus on the strength of the platforms they cater to.

Truly, what is it lately with all these complaints about this sites bias? Do people really expect a site like this to be impartial? Do you go to PureXbox to hear how awesome or how bad Gamepass is?

I didnt mean to imply you should go away. It’s a quote from my previous comment that wasn’t directed at you personally, but intended to be more of a general point. Like if people have trouble with this sites bias, there are many other sites who dont cater to a specific platform

@LazyDaisy The wording isn’t sus, it’s actually pretty clear. They’re saying hey, there’s a trailer of Re9 on Switch 2, and while that looks pretty impressive for a handheld, it’s gonna look way better on a PS5, and here’s the trailer for the PS5 to back up that claim

Im just gonna quote myself here:

If you’re gonna hang out in a Playstation community its reasonable to expect some Playstation flavoured articles and opinions. If thats not what you want, im sure there are lots of other spaces out there.

Not this debate again…

This is a Playstation centric website.
If you’re gonna be an active user here, you should at least accept that this site will usually frame their articles through a Playstation lens, and some of its users will favour Playstation. Thats kind of the point of this site. That doesnt mean this site is hostile or unfair. If you prefer artciles to be biased towards other platforms, there’s PureXbox or Nintendo Life with their own communities. And if you prefer more impartial, platform agnostic communities im sure there are many if those as well.

Imagine if sports fans were this sensitive about what other teams fans say. Compared to them, gaming communities are incredibly chill. Atleast we’re not brawling in stadium parking lots.

And to be clear, im not into console wars at all either, but if you’re gonna hang out in a Playstation community its reasonable to expect some Playstation flavoured articles and opinions. If thats not what you want, im sure there are lots of other spaces out there

Capcom really is on a creative streak. All these Re games have such beautiful and distinctive art styles

I’m curious to see how this’ll go, and if Square Enix will ever be satisfied with its sales results

Can’t wait to see more of his game

Death Stranding 2
Horizon Forbidden West
God of War: Ragnarok
AstroBot
Hellblade 2

@RoomWithaMoose I totally understand you. The other day we just had a bit of a miscommunication. I was arguing with someone about whether the article was bashing Xbox, while you were debating whether it was biased or not. Two seperate things in my opinion, so that kinda got mixed up in the conversation.

But yes, as i said the other day, i actually totally agree with you that this site shows bias, but that comes with the territory of this being a Playstation centric website. Pure Xbox is also biased, that is just a given with these sites. I guess i just don’t let it bother me as much.

Speaking of bias, i believe Pure Xbox didn’t even cover these ex Microsoft executives quotes and the tensions between the studios and Microsoft. I think not covering it is also biased, wouldnt you agree?

However, many sites like IGN, Gamesradar, PCGamer, GameIndustry, NeoGaf etc all published articles about the Pete Hines and Shannon Loftis quotes.

My issue now is, in stead of focusing on the actual contents of the articles, which is whether these services are sustainable and what not, it doesnt get discussed, because most are now fighting these other battles.

For what it’s worth , here’s my stance on it. I actually like Gamepass (shocker, i know), but i genuinely don’t know if putting all the AAA games on it Day 1 is very sustainable long term. Microsoft says it is, so i didnt really question it. But now that ex Microsoft executives are saying thats theres real tension between the studios and MS, i believe that that might not entirely be the case.

And honestly, i still dont know whats true. But i am inclined to give these ex Microsoft executives the benefit of the doubt, just because we know the cost of AAA games and the fact that they are porting everything to Playstation makes me believe that there’s some truth to their concerns.

So personally, i believe that Sony approach, by not putting their first party titles Day 1 on sub services is the right move for them at the moment. I think the movie industry has landed on the sweet spot, where most films release in theater for a few months before they go to streaming services.

End of the day, i understand your frustration about bias. Its annoying, whether from websites or fanboys. I just try to tune it out and focus on people on this site that do have thoughtful and nuanced opinions on the industry

People here totally ignored the contents of the last article on Gamepass. It wasnt a dumping on Gamepass, it was ex Microsoft executives saying that MS doesnt properly value and reward its studios, which is causing a tension between them. But of course no one was talking about that, everyone went with the “why is Gamepass being dunked on narrative”

Now there’s a studio saying it was helped with funding and development, and in stead of talking about the content of the article, people wanna talk about “how biased this Playstation website is”

Smaller titles can benefit from services like Gamepass and PS+, but larger studios and games seem to not get properly rewarded when their games aren't sold and go directly to sub services, thats basically the takeaway here

Edit: Basically what @Weebleman said ^^^^

Definitely one of the best consoles of all time. I got mine around a year after it released if i remember correctly, was still a kid back then. My first console before this was the Sega Megadrive and i had the Gameboy before that, damn how time flies

@Oram77 You talking about wrapping up the light vs darkness saga already goes a bit over my head. But thank you though, i appreciate the help. I might actually try the game out, see if i can make any sense of it 👍🏼

@get2sammyb

And to think Sony spent $3.5 billion on developer Bungie for its live service expertise, eh?

So, yeah, Destiny 2, huh? That’s a game – a Sony game! A game we’re totally writing about because we really like it, and not because PlayStation acquired the developer.

Also, if the people who say Push Square is only negative about Xbox related news could just read this article…
Sorry Sammy but that is some negative writing bro. That ending lol, i can almost see your eyes roll it’s so sarcastic! I think you were less ashamed writing about MindsEye than you were writing this

Heck i’m tagging @Ricky-Spanish @RoomWithAMoose for proof that even Sonys own studios catch the negativity and sarcasm. I guess Push Square isn’t that biased after all, they treat both sides equally 🤪

I’m not hating on you though Sammy, hope you don’t mind the little jab 🥰✌🏼

@get2sammyb Yeah, actually that’s exactly what i was worried about. Like i have no idea how to even approach it at this point. Well, we’ll see, i might check it out one day. Funnily enough, i actually had it downloaded once, but deleted it before i ever played it

I’ve never played a Bungie game, well, literally a half hour of Halo, but never Destiny. Never even felt compelled to watch footage of the game. But i decided to check this out. And i must say, this kinda looks awesome!

Never realized the art and world design, characters and lore looked so cool. So this is like an expansion right? I’m totally new to this, but this really intrigued me

Edit: Never mind, it’s in the title 😅

@RudeAnimat0r I agree with the rest of your message, but diminishing returns? Come on now, Ratchet & Clank: Rift apart was up there with some of the best of the series 🙀

@Dalamar

Sony western studios are stuck making nothing but "deep cinematic experience". Crash, Spyro, Jak, Ratchet, Sly - all dead.

Fortunately eastern studios still make games like Astrobot.

But just wanted to say, Sony doesn’t own the Crash and Spyro IP. Microsoft does, and if rumours are to be believed there might be a Spyro revival.

Oh, and a new Ratchet & Clank game released 4 years ago

Very excited to see what they’ve been cooking

Great games, but a bit depressing to still see GTA5 make it in the top 10 consistently. I’m surprised by the Spiderman games making it in the all time top 20 though 🤯

Especially Spider man being the #6 in most units sold, that’s kind of amazing i would not have guessed to be honest, it sold even better than all but 1 Call of Duty game

Fair enough. But maybe Sony could let an external studio take a shot at the IP?

The art design is just beautiful! 😍 But some of those textures do still bug me, couldn’t they put some better looking textures on some of those assets?!

@KundaliniRising333 Fair enough.

I’m no fan of modern day capitalism myself, and even though i see gaming companies as a bit of a lesser evil than other companies i can totally get where you’re coming from

@KundaliniRising333 Actually, i was reffering to how companies look at competitors when setting the prices for their products. Seeing as Xbox is their main competitor and has similar specs, it’s not strange to compare them in the context of pricing. Setting prices based on competitors pricing happens in every industry.

Many people want Sony to lower the price on the ps5 but overlook the fact that it’s already cheaper than their main competitor which has similar specs. So no “console war jargon” here, just looking realistically at the strategies used by these companies when determining their prices.

I see “console warring” gets thrown around a lot lately whenever someone compares companies and produtcs. Probably says more about what people are preocuppied with 😇

@KundaliniRising333 I’m convinced at this point that whatever the PS6 will eventually cost, even if its cheaper than Xbox (which it already is), and considering how everything has skyrocketed in price lately, you will still be here saying its too expensive 😜

@Ricky-Spanish For what it’s worth, i apologize if i came on too strong with reacting to your comment. I didn’t expect it to have such a long tail. Sometimes i just call things as i see them, but i didn’t intend to turn this into a whole saga 😆

At the end of the day we all share the same hobby, so peace brother ✌🏼✌🏼😉

@RoomWithaMoose

No one is saying "bashing" besides you

Literally the first comment.

I don't want to break down the whole article again

I wouldnt call that a breakdown, it actually reads more like a bashing, or perhaps a ”heavily obviously biased” breakdown? 😜

Yes that helps 😁 @Ricky-Spanish

Good day gentlemen 🎩

@RoomWithaMoose

I mean, if your claim is that this is impartial reporting of a thing someone in the industry said, it's not

I never claimed they were impartial. Neither Pure Xbox not Push Square are impartial. This site has a bias, it’s a Playstation-centric website. Pure Xbox also has a bias. No need to explain that to me, i’m pretty sure everyone here understand that. When i say this article isnt bashing, doesnt mean i think this article isnt biased.

The title references 'tension' without context, already disparaging Game Pass

The title of the article actually refers to Pete Hines own words describing the tension between the creators and the lack of value and reward they get. It’s just highlighting whats being said in the quotes 🤷🏻‍♂️

we immediately double down on the anti-Game Pass narrative with the most sensationalist phrase

I didn’t double down on anything. Someone said it was bashing, and i reacted to them. You don’t even know my stance on Gamepass.
Perhaps you should reply to those people who are making anti-Gamepass claims?

And we end with an editorialized summary of the topic. Which is fine, but anything but impartial.

It’s an opinion of the writer, he’s allowed to share his views on the matter. But is it bashing though? I don’t think so. People cant have opinions anymore? He even calls Gamepass great value 🤦🏻‍♂️

I do recognize bias. But bias does not equal bashing. In this case it’s just the writers own perspective.

Which ignores that PS+ is just a worse (for the consumer) version of Game Pass

It doesnt ignore it. It just isnt whats being discussed here. The lack of value and reward from MS towards developers is what these ex-Microsoft executives are bringing up, not the consumer experience.

A tangent about how daddy Sony is better than Game Pass

You mean this?

PlayStation, to its credit, has consistently said it believes the Xbox Game Pass model is unsustainable. Earlier in the generation, the organisation was put under a lot of pressure to copy the business model.

It eventually introduced multiple tiers of PS Plus, which provide a rolling catalogue of releases, including some day one games. However, it’s always resisted the temptation to devalue its own software in the service upon release.

I wouldn’t call this bashing. I’d call this providing context. It’s giving a little backstory for the people who might not know how both companies hve approached their subscription services. They can’t assume everyone already knows the context. Not all people are gaming nerds like us 😉

A whole paragraph dedicated to saying Microsoft is full of s***

You mean this?

Despite a ton of discussion on the topic, Microsoft has always insisted that its subscription is profitable. Although it’s gone through various price increases and adjustments over the past few years, and the company obfuscates its actual profits.

Isnt it widely reported that Microsoft obfuscates it’s actual profits? I feel like these are just facts, not bashing Microsoft.

Again, being biased doesnt mean bashing. You can critique things without bashing it. Ironically, your breakdown of the article reads more like a bashing than a fair critique

@Briarback

You mean like how Sammy is implying stuff at the end of the article, after he just "posted quotes" — ”Ultimately, we think it’s probably safe to say that while Xbox Game Pass does represent great value, it’s not the future of gaming, as was hypothesised at the start of the generation."

Are you also saying that this quote, where he even acknowledges the fact that Game Pass does represent great value, somehow implies that he’s bashing Xbox/Gamepass?

Come on now, if the sensitivity is that high, then no one can ever give an opinion and nothing can ever be discussed without people yelling that it’s “bashing”.

That quote just seems like a summary of his views on the matter: Great service, but not necessarily the future of gaming. I dont know if i agree with that take, but it seems like a reasonable one don’t you think?

If this is him bashing then this might go down as the weakest bashing recorded in history

@TruestoryYep

Truth is, the games that fail on Game Pass just weren't good anyway and if not for Game Pass, nobody would be playing them anyway. There's plenty of success stories like with Clair Obscur.

He’s not talking about games failing or being successful on Game Pass though. He’s talking about creators not being valued and rewarded properly.

Pete Hines had nothing to say about Bethesda being the first company to add microtranscations to a single player game.

I don’t quite understand what this has to do with anything thoug. He was asked about subscriptions, so he’s gonna talk about Game Pass. What does this have to do with it? Do those decisions Bethesda made in the past somehow discount his opinion on Game Pass today?

And both Shawn and Sony wouldn't know if Game Pass is sustainable since they're basing their logic on PlayStation itself failing in terms of its subscription service.

Shawn Laden was CEO of Playstation. I think both him and Sony know much better than you and i how much a service like thats costs to maintain and develop and if it’s sustainable long term

@UltimateOtaku91 @lazarus11 True!

There seems to be a bit of a bubble on Pure Xbox, where most agree with everything Xbox does and few criticize them. Probably because of the smaller userbase the site has, so mostly die hard fans are active i guess.

Push Square on the other hand, has way more users, so higher chances of many people that dislike Sony. So i feel like Sony also gets way more hate and criticism on here, which is good overall, keeps things balanced.

But it’s also the reason i’ve mostly stopped commenting on Pure Xbox, as personally i find it harder to find unbiased/nuanced opinions there

@Ravix

and you think people talking objectively about the negatives are an attack on this dear company that you love, for some reason

Exactly right, it’s like we can’t even discuss things objectively about the gaming industry anymore, without people saying its about bashing other companies or services.

I don’t care if people prefer Playstation or Xbox. I just don’t understand why people can’t discuss things nuanced and objectively anymore. The amount of deflection, cognitive bias and dissonance in discussions online can be staggering sometimes

@Ricky-Spanish

Pure square isn't playstation I can be critical of this site and it has nothing to do with playstation the console or Sony!

just like I can give an opinion on it aswell works both ways.
Especially with a comments section on the story they are looking for peoples opinions on the subject I gave mine.✌️

For the record, you’re totally allowed to have an opinion. I’m just reacting to your opinion. That’s what happens in public discourse, maybe get used to it in stead of saying you can’t critize Push Square or Playstation 🤷🏻‍♂️

You can totally criticize Playstation btw, most here do that constantly, so be my guest ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼

@Ricky-Spanish

Ok??
But at the same time isn't I story like this stocking a console war??

Reporting on quotes from people in the gaming industry who have insight in these things is important, it can give better insight than most of us discussing these things we hardly know about.

Funny how you say Hine’s quotes can be considere fueling a console war, but i’d say, your quotes about PS “bashing Game Pass/Xbox” can be considered stocking a console war way more than reporting on his quotes 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Dalamar

I'm not a developer, shareholder or CEO. I'm not even a fanboy. I simply play games. And for me being able to play Doom Dark Ages, Clair Obscur, Wuchang and Ninja Gaiden 4 day one for a price of game pass sub is very beneficial. Throw feces at me if it will help you to sleep at night.

No feces will be hurled at you my friend. If someone in the industry says content creators aren’t properly valued and rewarded, and you don’t care, then feel free to sleep sound at night, fecesless 😆

@Ricky-Spanish You imply it though, by immediately turning to saying things like: they’re bashing Xbox/Game Pass etc.

Maybe you’re not into console wars, but lets just say this, people who immediately turn to saying those things usually are ✌🏼

so I won't be tracking down this dude to give him telling off it's not that important really

“take it up with the ex Bethesda chief” is just a figure of speech, you don’t really have to track him down 😉

What i mean by it, is that Push Square is only reporting on his quotes. It’s not like Push Square is bashing any service or platform as you said in your original comment.

These are pretty important quotes from someone who has insight in the industry and Game Pass.

So if he says, with caveats, that content creators aren’t properly valued and rewarded then that should be listened to, in stead of immediately telling for a gaming news site that they’re “bashing” your favorite service or platform. Not everyone is preoccupied with console wars as some of you guys are

@Ricky-Spanish @Darkri74345

Nothing like a good old gamepass/Xbox bashing to start the weekend guys!!

Push Square is the worst about this. They’re purely negative about almost everything

You do realize these quotes come from someone else right? Push Square is just reporting on it. If you think this is biased, take it up with the ex Bethesda chief.

Push Square on the other hand, is even saying Game Pass “does represent good value”

If anything, Push Square seems to be negative about everything, even Playstation half of the time i feel

@Nyne11Tyme

Saros, Marathon, Yotei, Wolverine, Venom, Galactic....all need to BANG

Not judging, but i think you’re on the wrong website, my friend 😏

I’d watch that crossover though 👀😆

I am not the target audience for this IP, and the first showing of this game did not appeal to me at all, so i decided not to watch this live.

But now that i’ve watched it, i must say it does look good. Combat looks good, shooting as well, graphics are nice, love these big crowds, nice gameplay, only the driving looks a bit weird and floaty.

But all in all, it impressed me, good SoP. Now on to the next one! 😉

Seriously?! Let’s goooooo 😎

@Ainu20

You would price the non-digital PS5 at $380 in 2025, so $70 cheaper than the Switch 2 which offers significantly less performance, and $220 cheaper than a non-digital Series X which offers equivalent performance.

Playstation does not exist in a vacuum.

I was literally gonna reply that same exact thing, almost word for word, except for the last sentence. Already had it typed out, but I was just kind of stunned by that whole response that i just didnt know how to react to it further. But yeah, well said lol 👍🏼